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This week is the first time that I can remember that Indiana will have a say in the primary election. For many years the pic for president has been chosen for us long before it gets to Indiana. The last two elections my choice didn't make it to this point. Last night my brother Chris and I were talking. He's is voting for Cruz and I am voting for Trump. I think Trump is going to take Indiana he says Cruz will. We have a lunch riding on it. If Trump wins he buys me lunch and has to tell the waitress why. If Cruz wins I will buy.
I will say it again. Weather you like Trump or not he has polarized people in this country. I personally think he will get to the 1237 needed to get the nomination. If not and it goes to a contested convention and they give it to Cruz there will be a revolt in the GOP. Again this is my opinion.
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2016, 08:44:46 AM » |
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Trump has the nomination in the bag. Now the election... That's a whole different story.
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2016, 09:51:31 AM » |
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I really think Cruz will take indiana. Trump is a liberal who is fooling the American people. He changes his mind too much for me so im voting for Cruz
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I will take either one of them over the liberals.
Both of them are renegades, so much so that the RINO'S are freaking out over it.
If the beast or the socialist get in, our grand kids are screwed.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2016, 10:28:29 AM » |
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I will take either one of them over the liberals.
Both of them are renegades, so much so that the RINO'S are freaking out over it.
If the beast or the socialist get in, our grand kids are screwed.
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I really think Cruz will take indiana. Trump is a liberal who is fooling the American people. He changes his mind too much for me so im voting for Cruz
I am in the "anybody but Hillary" crowd. If a Dem gets to appoint the next several Supreme Court Judges, the 2nd Amendment and a lot of other things we hold dear, are effectively neutered. The Dems have publicily stated so. However, to address your comment about changing his mind. Cruz demanded that Kasich get out of the running, when it became mathmatically impossible for him to get the 1237 votes on the first ballot. Yet, now that Cruz also cannot get to 1237 votes on the first ballot, he seems to have "changed his mind" on the subject. |
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With the average age of the conservative judges on the Supreme Court there could be as many as 4 more appointments over and above whoever replaces Scalia.
If a liberal gets in this could mean the court would be skewed as much as 7-2. If so that it folks!
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With the average age of the conservative judges on the Supreme Court there could be as many as 4 more appointments over and above whoever replaces Scalia.
If a liberal gets in this could mean the court would be skewed as much as 7-2. If so that it folks!
Agree. Our country and our people are defined by our freedoms. A Hillary and probably a Bernie appointed Supreme Court will end that freedom. For all intents and purposes, that will end America. Every freedom loving citizen in the US needs to hold their nose if they have to and vote against the hilderbeast/bernie in November regardless of their party affiliation or politics. After the election, the Dems need to start taking their party back. Arguing about politics is one thing, but no party, no legitimate candidate should be against our civil rights, our Constitution and our freedom. That should never even come up for debate. |
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With the average age of the conservative judges on the Supreme Court there could be as many as 4 more appointments over and above whoever replaces Scalia.
If a liberal gets in this could mean the court would be skewed as much as 7-2. If so that it folks!
Agree. Our country and our people are defined by our freedoms. A Hillary and probably a Bernie appointed Supreme Court will end that freedom. For all intents and purposes, that will end America. Every freedom loving citizen in the US needs to hold their nose if they have to and vote against the hilderbeast/bernie in November regardless of their party affiliation or politics. After the election, the Dems need to start taking their party back. Arguing about politics is one thing, but no party, no legitimate candidate should be against our civil rights, our Constitution and our freedom. That should never even come up for debate. The end of America ?  |
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2016, 02:39:14 PM » |
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With the average age of the conservative judges on the Supreme Court there could be as many as 4 more appointments over and above whoever replaces Scalia.
If a liberal gets in this could mean the court would be skewed as much as 7-2. If so that it folks!
Agree. Our country and our people are defined by our freedoms. A Hillary and probably a Bernie appointed Supreme Court will end that freedom. For all intents and purposes, that will end America. Every freedom loving citizen in the US needs to hold their nose if they have to and vote against the hilderbeast/bernie in November regardless of their party affiliation or politics. After the election, the Dems need to start taking their party back. Arguing about politics is one thing, but no party, no legitimate candidate should be against our civil rights, our Constitution and our freedom. That should never even come up for debate. Very dramatic.....I must have missed something..... |
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2016, 02:42:43 PM » |
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With the average age of the conservative judges on the Supreme Court there could be as many as 4 more appointments over and above whoever replaces Scalia.
If a liberal gets in this could mean the court would be skewed as much as 7-2. If so that it folks!
Agree. Our country and our people are defined by our freedoms. A Hillary and probably a Bernie appointed Supreme Court will end that freedom. For all intents and purposes, that will end America. Every freedom loving citizen in the US needs to hold their nose if they have to and vote against the hilderbeast/bernie in November regardless of their party affiliation or politics. After the election, the Dems need to start taking their party back. Arguing about politics is one thing, but no party, no legitimate candidate should be against our civil rights, our Constitution and our freedom. That should never even come up for debate. The end of America ? A Hillary Supreme Court will end the 2nd Amendment as an individual right. I'm sure many of our other rights too. We as a people are defined by our freedom, in particular, our 2nd Amendment rights. Without those rights, the America we know is over. We may still be called America, but we will no longer be America. We will be the generation who threw away the sacrifices, threw away the freedom, threw away the country our founders risked everything to create. If we cause this loss of freedom, this loss of America, this loss of our constitutional rights, our descendants should hate us for it. |
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2016, 02:55:33 PM » |
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The 2nd Amendment is here to stay. Everyone said Obama would end it also. I've still got mine and sure you've still got yours. Yes I'm sure if Clinton wins things are not going to go the direction you and many others want. But the end of America ? COME ON  |
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2016, 03:57:13 PM » |
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Been a weird week in Indiana. I imagine you Hosiers are tired of the campaign adds. First Cruz and John I be living the dream Kasich decided to join forces and collude against Trump, but Kasich still living the dream decided he wanten Hosiers to vote for him anyway.
Cruz in an almost unprecedented move names Fiorini from CA as his running mate. When she bowed out she was poling at one percent. Same night Trump gets endorsement from a favorite son of Indiana, a true Hosier, Bobby Knight. Later in the week on Friday Gov. Pence who was rumored to give an endorsement to Cruz did not stand with Cruz but instead gave a brief message on the radio that Cruz would get his vote. While doing this he spent most of the time praising Donald Trump. Then John Bohner gave a speech saying Ted was Lucifer reincarnated and the most disgusting person he ever worked with or at least words to this effect.
Starting the week Trump was up 6 to 8 points. New poll out today NBC/Wall St. Journal/Marist shows Trump extending his lead to 15 points 49 to 34
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I really think Cruz will take indiana. Trump is a liberal who is fooling the American people. He changes his mind too much for me so im voting for Cruz
I am in the "anybody but Hillary" crowd. If a Dem gets to appoint the next several Supreme Court Judges, the 2nd Amendment and a lot of other things we hold dear, are effectively neutered. The Dems have publicily stated so. However, to address your comment about changing his mind. Cruz demanded that Kasich get out of the running, when it became mathmatically impossible for him to get the 1237 votes on the first ballot. Yet, now that Cruz also cannot get to 1237 votes on the first ballot, he seems to have "changed his mind" on the subject. Just a few short years ago, Donald praised Hillary and said she surrounds herself with great people. He also said he hates the idea of guns, so right there tells me he is a fake and the only way I'm voting for him is if he is the Republican candidate. Which will probably happen because im not voting for that Clinton lady or Sanders. And yes I believe Clinton will come after our guns as her first order of business and get millions of Americans killled. Because they will have to kill me to get mine. |
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The 2nd Amendment is here to stay. Everyone said Obama would end it also. I've still got mine and sure you've still got yours. Yes I'm sure if Clinton wins things are not going to go the direction you and many others want. But the end of America ? COME ON I agree. The 2nd Amendment will stand. But........ with a liberal court, they will find that gun ownership is NOT an individual right. They will allow LOTS of additional restrictions and local bans. So,..... the 2nd Amendment, as we have known it for over 200 years, will be gone. ONE VOTE is all that declared it an individual right. With Scalia replaced by current nominee, who has voted that the 2nd is NOT individual, the 2nd is gutted. |
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I really think Cruz will take indiana. Trump is a liberal who is fooling the American people. He changes his mind too much for me so im voting for Cruz
I am in the "anybody but Hillary" crowd. If a Dem gets to appoint the next several Supreme Court Judges, the 2nd Amendment and a lot of other things we hold dear, are effectively neutered. The Dems have publicily stated so. However, to address your comment about changing his mind. Cruz demanded that Kasich get out of the running, when it became mathmatically impossible for him to get the 1237 votes on the first ballot. Yet, now that Cruz also cannot get to 1237 votes on the first ballot, he seems to have "changed his mind" on the subject. Just a few short years ago, Donald praised Hillary and said she surrounds herself with great people. He also said he hates the idea of guns, so right there tells me he is a fake and the only way I'm voting for him is if he is the Republican candidate. Which will probably happen because im not voting for that Clinton lady or Sanders. And yes I believe Clinton will come after our guns as her first order of business and get millions of Americans killled. Because they will have to kill me to get mine. Be careful Gavin calling her a Lady that could be taken as Racsist  |
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2016, 05:11:54 PM » |
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I really think Cruz will take indiana. Trump is a liberal who is fooling the American people. He changes his mind too much for me so im voting for Cruz
I am in the "anybody but Hillary" crowd. If a Dem gets to appoint the next several Supreme Court Judges, the 2nd Amendment and a lot of other things we hold dear, are effectively neutered. The Dems have publicily stated so. However, to address your comment about changing his mind. Cruz demanded that Kasich get out of the running, when it became mathmatically impossible for him to get the 1237 votes on the first ballot. Yet, now that Cruz also cannot get to 1237 votes on the first ballot, he seems to have "changed his mind" on the subject. Just a few short years ago, Donald praised Hillary and said she surrounds herself with great people. He also said he hates the idea of guns, so right there tells me he is a fake and the only way I'm voting for him is if he is the Republican candidate. Which will probably happen because im not voting for that Clinton lady or Sanders. And yes I believe Clinton will come after our guns as her first order of business and get millions of Americans killled. Because they will have to kill me to get mine. Be careful Gavin calling her a Lady that could be taken as Racsist I didn't know that Lady was a race... |
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I really think Cruz will take indiana. Trump is a liberal who is fooling the American people. He changes his mind too much for me so im voting for Cruz
I am in the "anybody but Hillary" crowd. If a Dem gets to appoint the next several Supreme Court Judges, the 2nd Amendment and a lot of other things we hold dear, are effectively neutered. The Dems have publicily stated so. However, to address your comment about changing his mind. Cruz demanded that Kasich get out of the running, when it became mathmatically impossible for him to get the 1237 votes on the first ballot. Yet, now that Cruz also cannot get to 1237 votes on the first ballot, he seems to have "changed his mind" on the subject. Just a few short years ago, Donald praised Hillary and said she surrounds herself with great people. He also said he hates the idea of guns, so right there tells me he is a fake and the only way I'm voting for him is if he is the Republican candidate. Which will probably happen because im not voting for that Clinton lady or Sanders. And yes I believe Clinton will come after our guns as her first order of business and get millions of Americans killled. Because they will have to kill me to get mine. Be careful Gavin calling her a Lady that could be taken as Racsist Transgender maybe, Racist, no way. |
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I really think Cruz will take indiana. Trump is a liberal who is fooling the American people. He changes his mind too much for me so im voting for Cruz
I am in the "anybody but Hillary" crowd. If a Dem gets to appoint the next several Supreme Court Judges, the 2nd Amendment and a lot of other things we hold dear, are effectively neutered. The Dems have publicily stated so. However, to address your comment about changing his mind. Cruz demanded that Kasich get out of the running, when it became mathmatically impossible for him to get the 1237 votes on the first ballot. Yet, now that Cruz also cannot get to 1237 votes on the first ballot, he seems to have "changed his mind" on the subject. Just a few short years ago, Donald praised Hillary and said she surrounds herself with great people. He also said he hates the idea of guns, so right there tells me he is a fake and the only way I'm voting for him is if he is the Republican candidate. Which will probably happen because im not voting for that Clinton lady or Sanders. And yes I believe Clinton will come after our guns as her first order of business and get millions of Americans killled. Because they will have to kill me to get mine. Be careful Gavin calling her a Lady that could be taken as Racsist I didn't know that Lady was a race... Not even close to a lady either. |
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The 2nd Amendment is here to stay. Everyone said Obama would end it also. I've still got mine and sure you've still got yours. Yes I'm sure if Clinton wins things are not going to go the direction you and many others want. But the end of America ? COME ON I hope and pray you are right. But, you're not. The end of the 2nd Amendment is the end of America. If the Dem party is yours, please fix it before it destroys us. |
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The Second Amendment was not about hunting. See The Federalists number 46.
It won't happen as Hamilton outlined but still the 2nd Amendment helps guarantee our Rights under the Constitution.
If the SCOTUS is compromised, then that would be the last of the checks and balances destroyed.
Damn straight. This upcoming election IS going to be the determining factor for our Democratic Republic.
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Is it really ignoring if a response is posted ? I really don't think so....and don't even get me started about scarcasm..... It's all good, Gavin. Just funnin' with ya.... I know baldo, i was too. But i really am trying to keep from calling Hillary bad names. I still think she is the devil though. |
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Is it really ignoring if a response is posted ? I really don't think so....and don't even get me started about scarcasm..... It's all good, Gavin. Just funnin' with ya.... Have you two ever met in person? No, haven't had the pleasure....it just seems we have a special relationship.... |
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Is it really ignoring if a response is posted ? I really don't think so....and don't even get me started about scarcasm..... It's all good, Gavin. Just funnin' with ya.... I know baldo, i was too. But i really am trying to keep from calling Hillary bad names. I still think she is the devil though. She may just be....she's not my favorite, never has been. |
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The 2nd Amendment is here to stay. Everyone said Obama would end it also. I've still got mine and sure you've still got yours. Yes I'm sure if Clinton wins things are not going to go the direction you and many others want. But the end of America ? COME ON The end of America as we knew it. You can't eat an elephant in one bite and the progressive liberal socialists have been eating away at the way things were nibble by nibble. They have changed things, little by little. Making things we as once didn't agree with more palatable and insignificant they invoke subtle change. As someone said above., once they get their folks seated in the Supreme Court, things will change much faster. |
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The 2nd Amendment is here to stay. Everyone said Obama would end it also. I've still got mine and sure you've still got yours. Yes I'm sure if Clinton wins things are not going to go the direction you and many others want. But the end of America ? COME ON The end of America as we knew it. You can't eat an elephant in one bite and the progressive liberal socialists have been eating away at the way things were nibble by nibble. They have changed things, little by little. Making things we as once didn't agree with more palatable and insignificant they invoke subtle change. As someone said above., once they get their folks seated in the Supreme Court, things will change much faster. Its not going to be the "America as we knew it" regardless. We could have 9 conservatives on the Supreme Court and things are still going to change. It's just the nature of our country. Surely you don't want to go back to the America as we new it where we were segregated, where workers died an early death because of unsafe working conditions, where child labor was ok, where women were property. My point is not everything was rosy back as "America as we knew it". We just tend to overlook those things and think nostalgically of the past. ITS NOT GOING TO BE THE END OF AMERICA NO MATTER IF CLINTON OR TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT. |
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The 2nd Amendment is here to stay. Everyone said Obama would end it also. I've still got mine and sure you've still got yours. Yes I'm sure if Clinton wins things are not going to go the direction you and many others want. But the end of America ? COME ON The end of America as we knew it. You can't eat an elephant in one bite and the progressive liberal socialists have been eating away at the way things were nibble by nibble. They have changed things, little by little. Making things we as once didn't agree with more palatable and insignificant they invoke subtle change. As someone said above., once they get their folks seated in the Supreme Court, things will change much faster. Its not going to be the "America as we knew it" regardless. We could have 9 conservatives on the Supreme Court and things are still going to change. It's just the nature of our country. Surely you don't want to go back to the America as we new it where we were segregated, where workers died an early death because of unsafe working conditions, where child labor was ok, where women were property. My point is not everything was rosy back as "America as we knew it". We just tend to overlook those things and think nostalgically of the past. ITS NOT GOING TO BE THE END OF AMERICA NO MATTER IF CLINTON OR TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT. We're not talking about minor changes, we talking about Clinton installing judges who intend to overthrow our bill of rights. I stand my words. The next president will appoint at least one justice, if that justice doesn't support our 2nd Amendment rights, we will lose those rights. That's very predictable, very simple and I don't see how anyone can doubt it. If we lose the Freedoms our Constitution is designed to preserve, the freedoms that make us unique in the world, we are no longer America. That seems pretty simple too. |
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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2016, 09:34:16 PM » |
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The 2nd Amendment is here to stay. Everyone said Obama would end it also. I've still got mine and sure you've still got yours. Yes I'm sure if Clinton wins things are not going to go the direction you and many others want. But the end of America ? COME ON The end of America as we knew it. You can't eat an elephant in one bite and the progressive liberal socialists have been eating away at the way things were nibble by nibble. They have changed things, little by little. Making things we as once didn't agree with more palatable and insignificant they invoke subtle change. As someone said above., once they get their folks seated in the Supreme Court, things will change much faster. Its not going to be the "America as we knew it" regardless. We could have 9 conservatives on the Supreme Court and things are still going to change. It's just the nature of our country. Surely you don't want to go back to the America as we new it where we were segregated, where workers died an early death because of unsafe working conditions, where child labor was ok, where women were property. My point is not everything was rosy back as "America as we knew it". We just tend to overlook those things and think nostalgically of the past. ITS NOT GOING TO BE THE END OF AMERICA NO MATTER IF CLINTON OR TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT. We're not talking about minor changes, we talking about Clinton installing judges who intend to overthrow our bill of rights. I stand my words. The next president will appoint at least one justice, if that justice doesn't support our 2nd Amendment rights, we will lose those rights. That's very predictable, very simple and I don't see how anyone can doubt it. If we lose the Freedoms our Constitution is designed to preserve, the freedoms that make us unique in the world, we are no longer America. That seems pretty simple too. The same things were said 8 years ago. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LOSE YOUR 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHTS. I stand by my words also. We will have to further this discussion in 8 years.  |
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« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2016, 01:21:53 AM » |
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The 2nd Amendment is here to stay. Everyone said Obama would end it also. I've still got mine and sure you've still got yours. Yes I'm sure if Clinton wins things are not going to go the direction you and many others want. But the end of America ? COME ON The end of America as we knew it. You can't eat an elephant in one bite and the progressive liberal socialists have been eating away at the way things were nibble by nibble. They have changed things, little by little. Making things we as once didn't agree with more palatable and insignificant they invoke subtle change. As someone said above., once they get their folks seated in the Supreme Court, things will change much faster. Its not going to be the "America as we knew it" regardless. We could have 9 conservatives on the Supreme Court and things are still going to change. It's just the nature of our country. Surely you don't want to go back to the America as we new it where we were segregated, where workers died an early death because of unsafe working conditions, where child labor was ok, where women were property. My point is not everything was rosy back as "America as we knew it". We just tend to overlook those things and think nostalgically of the past. ITS NOT GOING TO BE THE END OF AMERICA NO MATTER IF CLINTON OR TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT. We're not talking about minor changes, we talking about Clinton installing judges who intend to overthrow our bill of rights. I stand my words. The next president will appoint at least one justice, if that justice doesn't support our 2nd Amendment rights, we will lose those rights. That's very predictable, very simple and I don't see how anyone can doubt it. If we lose the Freedoms our Constitution is designed to preserve, the freedoms that make us unique in the world, we are no longer America. That seems pretty simple too. The same things were said 8 years ago. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LOSE YOUR 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHTS. I stand by my words also. We will have to further this discussion in 8 years. IF the currently proposed Justice had been on the Court, instead of Scalia, we would have ESSENTIALLY lost them several years ago in the Heller decision. Heller said the 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT. 4 of the 9 Justices said NO, it is NOT. That it applies to the gov't. That the GOV'T has the right to arms. A nonsense argument, because EVERY gov'g has the right to arms, with or without the amendment. Who ever heard of a gov't WITHOUT the right to have arms? So, with ONE justice change, the 2nd will be changed from a right of each and every person to have arms, to people NOT having the right to have arms. So, in a sense, as I have said before, your statement the 2nd will stand, is true. What else is true, is that the MEANING of the 2nd will be radically changed. There will be 1000's of new restrictions and prohibitions passed by liberal cities and states, and they WILL be upheld, because the individual will no longer have the right to own. The 2nd, AS WE HAVE KNOWN IT FOR OVER 200 YEARS, will be gone. It will be still there, as a meaningless amendment. |
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