50 Shot dead in Orlando nightclub and dozens injured

[signart]

One thing about it, the more Muslims they let in the more ammo I stock up.  If they start some crap around me, I will take a few with me.

Microchips that allow terrorists to speak to God.  I love it

Some of the home brew in my stash. Loaded with Bacon Bits.

Wonder if that works like silver on werewolves?

Middle Eastern variety, yeah.

[Robert]

The FBI knew he was a sympathizer or member of ISIS and actually the FBI is at fault. It should not be with guns but with the authorities not doing their job. I would also say that the government is trying to use this as a wedge to give up our freedoms on guns, our rights, and the gays are using it to gain sympathy for their movement. A pretty nasty situation that each is using it for their own purpose and not telling the truth.

[FLAVALK]

The horror  :'(

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/ct-orlando-nightclub-shooting-survivor-20160614-story.html

[..]

It doesn't take an organized army.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3639878/Policeman-stabbed-death-outside-Paris-home-attacker-holding-officer-s-wife-son-hostage.html

[..]

Oooooooh that nasty Chik fil A.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/chick-fil-a-responds-to-orlando-massacre-with-move-that-may-surprise-some/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=WesternJournalism&utm_content=2016-06-14&utm_campaign=manualpost

[The emperor has no clothes]

The FBI knew he was a sympathizer or member of ISIS and actually the FBI is at fault. It should not be with guns but with the authorities not doing their job. I would also say that the government is trying to use this as a wedge to give up our freedoms on guns, our rights, and the gays are using it to gain sympathy for their movement. A pretty nasty situation that each is using it for their own purpose and not telling the truth.

The gays are using it to gain sympathy ? Yeah I'm sure those 49 signed up be matyrs for the cause . You've said some pretty dumbass things in the past , but this might take the cake. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

According to one news report, he did in fact use a gay website to help determine his target, and he did visit the club to scout it before returning for the massacre.  For what it's worth.

From what I've seen he had been there a dozen times or more as a patron. He had also been on several gay dating sites looking for hook ups. He called in pledging his allegiance to ISIS. But he had also said he admired Hezbollah . Which makes no sense because they are arch enemies. It's looking like this guy had issues up the kazoo.

[MP]

The FBI knew he was a sympathizer or member of ISIS and actually the FBI is at fault. It should not be with guns but with the authorities not doing their job. I would also say that the government is trying to use this as a wedge to give up our freedoms on guns, our rights, and the gays are using it to gain sympathy for their movement. A pretty nasty situation that each is using it for their own purpose and not telling the truth.

The gays are using it to gain sympathy ? Yeah I'm sure those 49 signed up be matyrs for the cause . You've said some pretty dumbass things in the past , but this might take the cake. 

I am reasonably sure he was referring to gays today, that were NOT in the nightclub. Using the incident to their advantage, like most groups do.  Doubt if he was referencing those who died.

[Robert]

The FBI knew he was a sympathizer or member of ISIS and actually the FBI is at fault. It should not be with guns but with the authorities not doing their job. I would also say that the government is trying to use this as a wedge to give up our freedoms on guns, our rights, and the gays are using it to gain sympathy for their movement. A pretty nasty situation that each is using it for their own purpose and not telling the truth.

The gays are using it to gain sympathy ? Yeah I'm sure those 49 signed up be matyrs for the cause . You've said some pretty dumbass things in the past , but this might take the cake. 

I am reasonably sure he was referring to gays today, that were NOT in the nightclub. Using the incident to their advantage, like most groups do.  Doubt if he was referencing those who died.

Somehow it does not compute to some that Obama, and Hillary are using this for gun control and for restrictions on rights. All the while not allowing Muslims to be slandered and blaming anything or anyone else they can. I'm sorry meathead you are so lost.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The FBI knew he was a sympathizer or member of ISIS and actually the FBI is at fault. It should not be with guns but with the authorities not doing their job. I would also say that the government is trying to use this as a wedge to give up our freedoms on guns, our rights, and the gays are using it to gain sympathy for their movement. A pretty nasty situation that each is using it for their own purpose and not telling the truth.

The gays are using it to gain sympathy ? Yeah I'm sure those 49 signed up be matyrs for the cause . You've said some pretty dumbass things in the past , but this might take the cake. 

I am reasonably sure he was referring to gays today, that were NOT in the nightclub. Using the incident to their advantage, like most groups do.  Doubt if he was referencing those who died.

Somehow it does not compute to some that Obama, and Hillary are using this for gun control and for restrictions on rights. All the while not allowing Muslims to be slandered and blaming anything or anyone else they can. I'm sorry meathead you are so lost.

And I'm sorry you are so homophobic that you can't have just a sliver of sympathy for these people.

[Robert]

The FBI knew he was a sympathizer or member of ISIS and actually the FBI is at fault. It should not be with guns but with the authorities not doing their job. I would also say that the government is trying to use this as a wedge to give up our freedoms on guns, our rights, and the gays are using it to gain sympathy for their movement. A pretty nasty situation that each is using it for their own purpose and not telling the truth.

The gays are using it to gain sympathy ? Yeah I'm sure those 49 signed up be matyrs for the cause . You've said some pretty dumbass things in the past , but this might take the cake. 

I am reasonably sure he was referring to gays today, that were NOT in the nightclub. Using the incident to their advantage, like most groups do.  Doubt if he was referencing those who died.

Somehow it does not compute to some that Obama, and Hillary are using this for gun control and for restrictions on rights. All the while not allowing Muslims to be slandered and blaming anything or anyone else they can. I'm sorry meathead you are so lost.

And I'm sorry you are so homophobic that you can't have just a sliver of sympathy for these people.

For the families, friends and loved ones of the people that died Yes I do have sympathy. For those people that use this as a call for their cause they can burn in hell.

Dont confuse not liking a lifestyle with not caring for the people. That is what happens when people have understanding and are not one dimensional they can relate to good and bad even in one person.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The FBI knew he was a sympathizer or member of ISIS and actually the FBI is at fault. It should not be with guns but with the authorities not doing their job. I would also say that the government is trying to use this as a wedge to give up our freedoms on guns, our rights, and the gays are using it to gain sympathy for their movement. A pretty nasty situation that each is using it for their own purpose and not telling the truth.

The gays are using it to gain sympathy ? Yeah I'm sure those 49 signed up be matyrs for the cause . You've said some pretty dumbass things in the past , but this might take the cake. 

I am reasonably sure he was referring to gays today, that were NOT in the nightclub. Using the incident to their advantage, like most groups do.  Doubt if he was referencing those who died.

Somehow it does not compute to some that Obama, and Hillary are using this for gun control and for restrictions on rights. All the while not allowing Muslims to be slandered and blaming anything or anyone else they can. I'm sorry meathead you are so lost.

And I'm sorry you are so homophobic that you can't have just a sliver of sympathy for these people.

For the families, friends and loved ones of the people that died Yes I do have sympathy. For those people that use this as a call for their cause they can burn in hell.

Dont confuse not liking a lifestyle with not caring for the people.

Yeah your posts up to now have all been about how much sympathy you have. You can have the last word. I'm done.

[Gavin_Sons]

The FBI knew he was a sympathizer or member of ISIS and actually the FBI is at fault. It should not be with guns but with the authorities not doing their job. I would also say that the government is trying to use this as a wedge to give up our freedoms on guns, our rights, and the gays are using it to gain sympathy for their movement. A pretty nasty situation that each is using it for their own purpose and not telling the truth.

The gays are using it to gain sympathy ? Yeah I'm sure those 49 signed up be matyrs for the cause . You've said some pretty dumbass things in the past , but this might take the cake. 

I am reasonably sure he was referring to gays today, that were NOT in the nightclub. Using the incident to their advantage, like most groups do.  Doubt if he was referencing those who died.

Somehow it does not compute to some that Obama, and Hillary are using this for gun control and for restrictions on rights. All the while not allowing Muslims to be slandered and blaming anything or anyone else they can. I'm sorry meathead you are so lost.

And I'm sorry you are so homophobic that you can't have just a sliver of sympathy for these people.

For the families, friends and loved ones of the people that died Yes I do have sympathy. For those people that use this as a call for their cause they can burn in hell.

Dont confuse not liking a lifestyle with not caring for the people.

Yeah your posts up to now have all been about how much sympathy you have. You can have the last word. I'm done.

I think Robert hurt Meatheads gay pride. 

[Robert]

No, HIPAA was not waived in Orlando, and here's why
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/health/hipaa-medical-privacy/

American Medical Association Votes to Lobby Congress Over Gun
Uncontrolled gun ownership is a serious threat to public health — and Congress needs to pay for research on the hot-button issue, the American Medical Association said Tuesday.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/american-medical-association-votes-lobby-congress-over-gun-research-n592356

What It Would Take To End The Ban On Queer Blood Donation
Basically a change of heart from the FDA

Orlando Shooting Victims Desperately Need Blood Donations; Gay And Bisexual Men Who Wish To Support Banned From Giving

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/what-it-would-take-to-end-the-ban-on-queer-blood-donation_us_575ecb39e4b00f97fba8e547

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/politics/pam-bondi-anderson-cooper-gay-rights-orlando/
New York (CNN)Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi on Tuesday struggled to reconcile her role in the state's fight against same-sex marriage with her response to the massacre at a gay nightclub in Orlando.
"Do you really think you are a champion of the gay community?" CNN's Anderson Cooper asked Bondi, telling her that a large portion of the LGBT community in Orlando had told him she was "being a hypocrite."

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

According to one news report, he did in fact use a gay website to help determine his target, and he did visit the club to scout it before returning for the massacre.  For what it's worth.

From what I've seen he had been there a dozen times or more as a patron. He had also been on several gay dating sites looking for hook ups. He called in pledging his allegiance to ISIS. But he had also said he admired Hezbollah . Which makes no sense because they are arch enemies. It's looking like this guy had issues up the kazoo.

I think Obama & Hillary throwing trinkets such as bathroom signs and forced wedding cake sales to the gay community while importing hundreds of thousands of people who want to kill them is much like this lunatic lurking in their club pretending to like them while plotting their demise.

Trying to use this killing to make it harder for all of us to defend ourselves against these imported killers is even more disgusting. And, yes, I know the killer was a citizen but we all know where his family came from and who the role models who inspired his hate fueled idiocy are.

For the gay community or anyone to support the Hillary/Obama agenda of filling our country with killers while disarming the public is nothing less than suicide leading us towards genocide.

God knows I'm not a rainbow flag kinda guy, but I have to say there is probably not a group in America right now that has more reason to be arming up than the gays. And I hope they are starting to realize, who is filling our country with people who want to kill them and that voting against Hillary is the only way to stop that insanity.

[98valk]

According to one news report, he did in fact use a gay website to help determine his target, and he did visit the club to scout it before returning for the massacre.  For what it's worth.

From what I've seen he had been there a dozen times or more as a patron. He had also been on several gay dating sites looking for hook ups. He called in pledging his allegiance to ISIS. But he had also said he admired Hezbollah . Which makes no sense because they are arch enemies. It's looking like this guy had issues up the kazoo.

I think Obama & Hillary throwing trinkets such as bathroom signs and forced wedding cake sales to the gay community while importing hundreds of thousands of people who want to kill them is much like this lunatic lurking in their club pretending to like them while plotting their demise.

Trying to use this killing to make it harder for all of us to defend ourselves against these imported killers is even more disgusting. And, yes, I know the killer was a citizen but we all know where his family came from and who the role models who inspired his hate fueled idiocy are.

For the gay community or anyone to support the Hillary/Obama agenda of filling our country with killers while disarming the public is nothing less than suicide leading us towards genocide.

God knows I'm not a rainbow flag kinda guy, but I have to say there is probably not a group in America right now that has more reason to be arming up than the gays. And I hope they are starting to realize, who is filling our country with people who want to kill them and that voting against Hillary is the only way to stop that insanity.

   well said!

[dinosnake]

I think Obama & Hillary throwing trinkets such as bathroom signs and forced wedding cake sales to the gay community while importing hundreds of thousands of people who want to kill them is much like this lunatic lurking in their club pretending to like them while plotting their demise.

Trying to use this killing to make it harder for all of us to defend ourselves against these imported killers is even more disgusting. And, yes, I know the killer was a citizen but we all know where his family came from and who the role models who inspired his hate fueled idiocy are.

For the gay community or anyone to support the Hillary/Obama agenda of filling our country with killers while disarming the public is nothing less than suicide leading us towards genocide.

God knows I'm not a rainbow flag kinda guy, but I have to say there is probably not a group in America right now that has more reason to be arming up than the gays. And I hope they are starting to realize, who is filling our country with people who want to kill them and that voting against Hillary is the only way to stop that insanity.

Not on this planet is that "stop[ing] the insanity".  What's the option, Trump?  I'm sorry, gays simply aren't that naive, stupid nor, unlike all too many other Americans, do they have such a short memory span.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Yep, Trump is replaying an old book.  The politics of America has done very well in claiming the first two victims on the list and you can replace "Jew" with just about any other ethnic group and get just about the same reaction - regardless of locale, just add the scapegoat du jour.  They are not so stupid as to forget and trust in a man who recalls the same tactics.

[98valk]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

[The emperor has no clothes]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

[Gavin_Sons]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

OMG you finally get it  even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

[The emperor has no clothes]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

OMG you finally get it  even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

So....do you support legislation to keep them out of the wrong hands ?

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

Ha! I think they (hillary & obama) are wishing they could lie this terror attack out of the news like they did the one before the last presidential election when they let Americans die to avoid admitting we were hit by terrorists just before the election. You remember, "it wasn't a terror attack, it was caused by a video on youtube". May the ghosts of those brave Americans they refused to help forever haunt them.

[Chrisj CMA]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

OMG you finally get it  even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

So....do you support legislation to keep them out of the wrong hands ?

I support laws that keep guns out of the wrong hands (we have more of those than we can enforce already) I do not support laws giving the government the power to tell me what gun I can own.  

You never hear lawmakers say no one needs a 600hp sports car or a turbo charged this or that, so they need to stop infringing on the 2nd amendment

[Valkorado]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year.  

OMG you finally get it   even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

So....do you support legislation to keep them out of the wrong hands ?

Yep.  Keep 'em out of the hands of ALL known suspected terrorists, paying particular attention to those who raise enough red flags that they're interviewed by the FBI -- twice.  Those who travel to countries like Saudi Arabia -- twice -- should probably also be scrutinized before purchasing firearms.  Call me a bigot, or call me a Patriot.  I couldn't care less one way or the other.  


EDIT:  I'll leave this here:

Parade of the Red Flags
Meet young Omar Mateen:
Things took a dark turn on Sept. 11, 2001. As classmates looked on in shock, Mateen celebrated the terrorist attacks that day, claiming that Osama bin Laden was his uncle, said one person who was present. His antics prompted the school to call his father, and the classmate remembers watching through a school window as Mateen’s father approached his son and then slapped his face . . .
Robert Zirkle, who knew him through school in 2001, said: “We joked that he’d become a terrorist. And then he did.”
As he grew older, the threats continued:
At a barbecue in the spring of 2007, Mateen erupted when his hamburger touched a piece of pork, something he considered a religious affront. He told the class he ought to kill all of them, recalled Susanne Coburn Laforest, 61, who attended the barbecue as a trainee. Mateen told his classmates not to laugh at him because this was serious and “was going to come back and shoot us,” she said.
Not long after, Mateen was sitting in his car in the parking lot as classes were about to resume, when authorities swarmed the auto and escorted him off the property. An official told cadets Mateen had threatened to bring a gun on campus, according to Clinton Custar, who was attending the academy at the time and saw the incident from a classroom window.
This was the same month Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 at Virginia Polytechnic Institute, and Mateen threatened to carry out a similar massacre at the police academy because he felt like he was being taunted for being Muslim, said a fellow cadet.
A few years later, after he started talking about how he hoped police would kill his wife and child so he could become a “martyr”, his coworkers called the FBI.
Mateen first came to the FBI’s attention in May 2013, after making a series of “boasts” to co-workers about his various ties to terrorist groups, a U.S. official told The Daily Beast, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the particulars of the case. “That triggered FBI to investigate.”
The FBI investigated more in 2014 when one of the members of his mosque became a suicide bomber.
The Islamic Center was also attended on occasion by Moner Mohammad Abusalha, who is believed to be the first American suicide bomber in Syria. Abusalha, who joined Islamist militants fighting the government of President Bashar al-Assad, was in his early 20s when he died in 2014 after driving a truck loaded with explosives into a restaurant in Aleppo where Syrian government troops were stationed.
This mosque has just 130 members. Two of them committed terror attacks.
During this probe, “an informant told the FBI that Mateen had mentioned watching videos by Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-born terrorist and al Qaeda recruiter who was killed in a U.S. drone strike in 2011.” This was the same radical cleric who exchanged messages with the Fort Hood shooter.

Earlier this year, Disney World security called the FBI.
Disney security officials told the FBI they believe Mateen visited Disney World on April 26 to conduct surveillance, a law enforcement official told CNN. The FBI is investigating that possibility.
Then a few weeks ago, the gun store called the FBI.
Mateen then called someone on the phone and began speaking in Arabic. Robert Abell says that’s when the salesman became suspicious.
“He just made the mistake of asking for an armor that wasn’t normal,” he said. “And then on the phone conversation was another key that you might need to step back and look at this. Our guy made the right decision at the time. I’m not selling him anything.
“As soon as we said we didn’t have the bulk ammo he walked out the door.”
Abell says they denied the sale, which they have the right to do. But before they could get his name and information, Mateen left the store.
The gun shop owner says they immediately alerted the FBI about the suspicious man who wanted to purchase body armor. But the feds never followed up and visited the store.
“I don’t see anything in reviewing our work that our agents should have done differently,” FBI Director James Comey said earlier this week.
And government officials wonder why people think they should to own a gun to protect themselves!
Wait, The Orlando Shooter Ranted at Hostages for Three Hours?
We love cops. They have one of the toughest jobs in society, and we can’t live without them. It can often be unfair to second-guess the judgments they have to make in a crisis.
But does it seem really surprising that three hours passed between when Omar Mateen first started shooting and the police raid that killed him? At least one of the survivors couldn’t believe it:
A survivor of the Pulse nightclub massacre said she’s furious cops took three hours to end Omar Mateen’s mayhem — a window of time that allowed the shooter to even check Facebook to see if the carnage was trending.
Jeannette McCoy, 37, told the Daily News she was so desperate to save her friends shot in the chaos that she confronted Orlando cops moments after they initially exchanged fire with Mateen.
“They took too long,” McCoy said. “They were supposed to continue to keep moving forward and they were supposed to go in there and get him. I was screaming, ‘Go in and shoot him!’ “
During this time, Mateen was laughing, texting his wife, checking Facebook, threatening to strap bombs to the hostages, and calling a local television station.
I thought one of the lessons of the Paris attacks was that armed law enforcement had to engage a terrorist immediately or as quickly as possible; any delay just gives the terrorist more time to execute trapped civilians.
A delegation consisting of top brass from the Los Angeles Police Department, Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department and the Beverly Hills Police Department traveled to France in April to speak with Paris authorities about their response to the attack.
The resulting report released by the Los Angeles Homeland Security Advisory Council — a nonprofit led by former Los Angeles Emergency Management director James Featherstone — summarizes insights by French authorities, who they said stressed the importance of human intelligence, rather than technological intelligence, developed through engagement with the community as a way to prevent such attacks from taking place.
Also important is the need for quick action if attack does occur, according to the report. One example of a successful tactic used during the Paris attack was that of a lone law enforcement officer at the Bataclan concert hall who responded immediately by killing the shooter, even though protocol dictates that he wait for back-up to arrive before acting.
In the attack on the Bataclan theater, the first police responded at 9:45 and killed one terrorist. But they had to wait for the arrival of the special forces, and during that time, the remaining terrorists took the remaining concertgoers hostage ad moved them upstairs. The French special units arrived at 10:15, and by 10:30 they had secured part of the concert hall and allowed some injured to be evacuated. But they countered a closed door at 11:15. The final assault was 12:18; the police managed to save the remaining hostages and kill the final two terrorists.
Heck, after the Columbine high school shootings in 1999, law enforcement officials concluded that response teams had to shift from containing and managing the situation to confronting an active shooter.

This guy had enough red flags in his background he shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a letter opener.  IMHO, this guy forfeited his due process rights many moons ago.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

OMG you finally get it  even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

So....do you support legislation to keep them out of the wrong hands ?

Criminals will always get guns, I don't think it can be completely prevented. As Americans, we can't simply decide that people of a certain religion or political affiliation are not allowed to buy firearms. That being said, I have to believe if that killer had belonged to any other religion they would have fed his name into the nics system as not allowed to buy firearms. Since they have already announced they will no longer process denial appeals, what did they have to lose by doing so? It's also obvious that someone who would murder 50 people would not hesitate to steal firearms to commit these murders so it would have probably made little difference either way.

However, one also has to question, if being investigated by the fbi was enough to deny a citizen's ability to buy firearms, wouldn't it be enough to prevent a citizen from running for president?

What we can do is limit who we allow to enter our country, who we allow to sneak into our country and who we allow to become citizens and claim the rights and freedoms which are the birthright of every American.

As far as gun laws, preventing felons from owning or possessing firearms and limiting ownership of full auto firearms is enough. Free, law-abiding citizens should be able to own, shoot and pass to their children the firearms of their choice. The AR platform is almost without doubt the most commonly owned rifle in America, hence if you can outlaw that platform you can disarm the largest possible number of citizens. That and the confusion among non gun people concerning semi-auto and full-auto firearms is why they are going after the AR.

[MP]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

OMG you finally get it  even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

So....do you support legislation to keep them out of the wrong hands ?

Yes, I do.  I have listed recently some of the laws I would like to see passed to help in that end.  I asked for the anti gun lobby to tell me what laws they want passed, that will actually prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands.  I got ZERO responses.

Here is YOUR chance.  PLEASE tell us EXACTLY what gun laws you want to see passed, that will keep guns from getting in the wrong hands, while still honoring the Constitution of the United States. allowing good U.S. Citizens to exercise their rights.

[The emperor has no clothes]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

OMG you finally get it  even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

So....do you support legislation to keep them out of the wrong hands ?

Yes, I do.  I have listed recently some of the laws I would like to see passed to help in that end.  I asked for the anti gun lobby to tell me what laws they want passed, that will actually prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands.  I got ZERO responses.

Here is YOUR chance.  PLEASE tell us EXACTLY what gun laws you want to see passed, that will keep guns from getting in the wrong hands, while still honoring the Constitution of the United States. allowing good U.S. Citizens to exercise their rights.

Background checks

[Bighead]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year.  

OMG you finally get it   even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

So....do you support legislation to keep them out of the wrong hands ?

Yes, I do.  I have listed recently some of the laws I would like to see passed to help in that end.  I asked for the anti gun lobby to tell me what laws they want passed, that will actually prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands.  I got ZERO responses.

Here is YOUR chance.  PLEASE tell us EXACTLY what gun laws you want to see passed, that will keep guns from getting in the wrong hands, while still honoring the Constitution of the United States. allowing good U.S. Citizens to exercise their rights.

Background checks

Yeah that really works don't it. They already do back ground checks when purchasing a gun from a dealer how you going to do a background check on buying a gun on the street? About six months ago I bought a handgun from a friend guess what no background check but sadly I lost that firearm while fishing last week damn thing fell in the lake

[MP]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

OMG you finally get it  even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

So....do you support legislation to keep them out of the wrong hands ?

Yes, I do.  I have listed recently some of the laws I would like to see passed to help in that end.  I asked for the anti gun lobby to tell me what laws they want passed, that will actually prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands.  I got ZERO responses.

Here is YOUR chance.  PLEASE tell us EXACTLY what gun laws you want to see passed, that will keep guns from getting in the wrong hands, while still honoring the Constitution of the United States. allowing good U.S. Citizens to exercise their rights.

Background checks

The VAST majority of guns bought now are done WITH background checks. There is only a tiny percent that do NOT go thru that.  Private sales, within a state.  If across state line, you still need to go thru a dealer with FFL, and do the check.

Most shootings are NOT mass murders.  There, the percentage of guns used that were bought legally, is VERY small.  I have seen figures of less than 5%, but not sure exactly how accurate that is.

In the mass shootings, they are either committed by someone who DID go thru a background check, ie Orlando and others, or with illegally obtained guns.  Such as Sandy Hook, where the shooter MURDERED his mother, to gain access to her guns.

The Orlando shooter did a background check, did additional checks because he was a licensed Security Officer, and had been under investigation by the FBI!  Passed all of that. So, a check, did no good.

And, like the Sandy Hook shooter, someone who FAILS a background check can do like he did.  Murder to get his gun.  Or steal it.  Or buy it out of a trunk in an alley.

Background checks are a "feel good" measure.  We Feel Good, because we are doing something, even if it is almost worthless.  Almost.  There is a tiny fraction of murders, less than 1% I have heard, that MIGHT, MIGHT have been prevented by a background check.  Only MIGHT, because there is NO WAY to know if the one denied will go get the gun illegally after the failure.  Most do.

Extending checks to the tiny fraction of sales of guns that are now exempt, will do essentially NOTHING to stop these crimes.  I just gave each of my sons one of my rifles.  NO background check required.  Do you think it would accomplish anything if I had had to go to a dealer, pay them $25 each, and run  my sons thru the check?  NO, it only would have inconvenienced me, and cost me money.

Again, I would like to hear some common sense law proposed that will ACTUALLY WORK at least some of the time.  Enough to make it realistic.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

OMG you finally get it  even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

So....do you support legislation to keep them out of the wrong hands ?

Yes, I do.  I have listed recently some of the laws I would like to see passed to help in that end.  I asked for the anti gun lobby to tell me what laws they want passed, that will actually prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands.  I got ZERO responses.

Here is YOUR chance.  PLEASE tell us EXACTLY what gun laws you want to see passed, that will keep guns from getting in the wrong hands, while still honoring the Constitution of the United States. allowing good U.S. Citizens to exercise their rights.

Background checks

Background checks are ran before the sale of every new firearm sold in America excluding purchases by the military, the government and law enforcement officers buying firearms for professional use.

[Moonshot_1]

Compulsory weapons and self defense training in High School. $500 tax credit every 5 years for purchase of qualified firearm for any non felon and citizens in good standing. (ie- no mental or psychiatric issues)

Go to local law enforcement center. They will do your criminal background check and if qualified, will be required to issue you said report at no charge and the report can be used at any gun dealer and must be presented for private sales as well. If you sell privately you will get a copy of the report from the buyer before you sell to the buyer and have the copy of the report in your records.
Granted this won't stop the gun violence but it is a logical piece of the puzzle and would be a hurdle for those who are felons or are mentally problematic.

You can pass all the laws  you want. Only the law abiding will abide by them by definition. Lets have laws that make the law abiding stronger.

Obviously the bad people are pretty well armed.

It's time for the good guys to catch up.

[The emperor has no clothes]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

OMG you finally get it  even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

So....do you support legislation to keep them out of the wrong hands ?

Yes, I do.  I have listed recently some of the laws I would like to see passed to help in that end.  I asked for the anti gun lobby to tell me what laws they want passed, that will actually prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands.  I got ZERO responses.

Here is YOUR chance.  PLEASE tell us EXACTLY what gun laws you want to see passed, that will keep guns from getting in the wrong hands, while still honoring the Constitution of the United States. allowing good U.S. Citizens to exercise their rights.

Background checks

The VAST majority of guns bought now are done WITH background checks. There is only a tiny percent that do NOT go thru that.  Private sales, within a state.  If across state line, you still need to go thru a dealer with FFL, and do the check.

Most shootings are NOT mass murders.  There, the percentage of guns used that were bought legally, is VERY small.  I have seen figures of less than 5%, but not sure exactly how accurate that is.

In the mass shootings, they are either committed by someone who DID go thru a background check, ie Orlando and others, or with illegally obtained guns.  Such as Sandy Hook, where the shooter MURDERED his mother, to gain access to her guns.

The Orlando shooter did a background check, did additional checks because he was a licensed Security Officer, and had been under investigation by the FBI!  Passed all of that. So, a check, did no good.

And, like the Sandy Hook shooter, someone who FAILS a background check can do like he did.  Murder to get his gun.  Or steal it.  Or buy it out of a trunk in an alley.

Background checks are a "feel good" measure.  We Feel Good, because we are doing something, even if it is almost worthless.  Almost.  There is a tiny fraction of murders, less than 1% I have heard, that MIGHT, MIGHT have been prevented by a background check.  Only MIGHT, because there is NO WAY to know if the one denied will go get the gun illegally after the failure.  Most do.

Extending checks to the tiny fraction of sales of guns that are now exempt, will do essentially NOTHING to stop these crimes.  I just gave each of my sons one of my rifles.  NO background check required.  Do you think it would accomplish anything if I had had to go to a dealer, pay them $25 each, and run  my sons thru the check?  NO, it only would have inconvenienced me, and cost me money.

Again, I would like to hear some common sense law proposed that will ACTUALLY WORK at least some of the time.  Enough to make it realistic.

Do you feel that a convicted felon should be able to buy a gun from me ?

[MP]

No. Do you think that if you run a background check, and he is turned down, that he then will be unable to obtain a weapon illegally somewhere else?

[The emperor has no clothes]

No. Do you think that if you run a background check, and he is turned down, that he then will be unable to obtain a weapon illegally somewhere else?

I have no illusions that it will solve everything. You asked for common sense solutions that could help. That is one. Heroin is illegal, should we get rid of the law because a criminal will find a way around it ?

[MP]

He is a felon. Already proven laws do not deter him.

You are free to run background check on any buyer. I would if I did not personally know the buyer. No law stops you.

[MP]

No. Do you think that if you run a background check, and he is turned down, that he then will be unable to obtain a weapon illegally somewhere else?

I have no illusions that it will solve everything. You asked for common sense solutions that could help. That is one. Heroin is illegal, should we get rid of the law because a criminal will find a way around it ?

I believe deterence works better, and does not mess with our rights. 10 years prison for illegal sale. For straw purchasers. Would make most reconsider if actively enforced. Make possesion of gun in crime additional 20 years. 
Problem is, obama is actively releasing these early, so doubt would sign law increasing prison time.

[The emperor has no clothes]

No. Do you think that if you run a background check, and he is turned down, that he then will be unable to obtain a weapon illegally somewhere else?

I have no illusions that it will solve everything. You asked for common sense solutions that could help. That is one. Heroin is illegal, should we get rid of the law because a criminal will find a way around it ?

I believe deterence works better, and does not mess with our rights. 10 years prison for illegal sale. For straw purchasers. Would make most reconsider if actively enforced. Make possesion of gun in crime additional 20 years. 
Problem is, obama is actively releasing these early, so doubt would sign law increasing prison time.

How do background checks "mess with your rights" If you are a law abiding citizen you would be able to purchase.

[Bighead]

No. Do you think that if you run a background check, and he is turned down, that he then will be unable to obtain a weapon illegally somewhere else?

I have no illusions that it will solve everything. You asked for common sense solutions that could help. That is one. Heroin is illegal, should we get rid of the law because a criminal will find a way around it ?

I believe deterence works better, and does not mess with our rights. 10 years prison for illegal sale. For straw purchasers. Would make most reconsider if actively enforced. Make possesion of gun in crime additional 20 years. 
Problem is, obama is actively releasing these early, so doubt would sign law increasing prison time.

How do background checks "mess with your rights" If you are a law abiding citizen you would be able to purchase.

Look MH BACKGROUND CHECKS ARE ALREADY DONE. So common sense should tell you that your idea of background checks isn't stopping any Law abiding person from purchasing a gun. Does it stop any one from buying a gun on the street NO. Come up with an idea that WILL keep guns from Criminals not people who follow the Law already. You have very little chance of being shot by a law abiding citizen unless it is accidental or you are attacking them.

[98valk]

they want our guns so we can be slaughtered, just like Hilter did in Germany, take all of the guns and then a few yrs later.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/

I think Obama had this guy go in and kill these gays so he could create Marshall Law and take our guns. He's had this in the planning stage for 7 and a half years now. The time has come. He wants this as his legacy so Hillary won't get the credit for doing it next year. 

OMG you finally get it  even I don't think Obama is that evil. Hillary, maybe.just like I said previously,  they don't blame cars for drunk drivers killing a family, they blame the driver that is drunk. Why are guns any different? A gun is a tool, just as a vehicle is a tool to get you places. If not used properly and in the wrong hands that tool can be turned into a slaughtering machine.

http://news.sky.com/story/1395922/man-shouting-allahu-akbar-drives-into-crowd

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Suspected-terror-attack-in-Jerusalem-three-injured-379527

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/at-least-two-killed-in-austria-after-man-drives-into-crowd-before-stabbing-passers-by-in-graz-10333891.html

[Patrick]

Watch some of the interviews of people this dick-head worked with.