kaepernick

[Wizzard]

What an insult he is to guys like Pat Tillman

[G-Man]

I am very surprised by some of the posts in this thread.

Yes, he is all of the things he's been called, including being called an AMERICAN.

Being an American, he has the right to say and do what he wants within the law.  He is expressing his constitutional  right.  We all know how important those amendments are, correct?  Nobody wants to lose the one's we all hold dearly.

Remember the old adage...   I may hate what you're saying but I will defend your right to say it?  What happened?

Let the market punish him if it sees fit.  But we shouldn't be advocating for him to lose his job and other things.

What if  Bagelboy did decide to make his employees stand in silence for the national anthem when they came in to work.  And what if one of them didn't want to?  Should that person lose their job, even if he paid $15,000.00/hr?

[Wizzard]

Hey,, if he can stand the heat,, and he is going to get lots of it, I agree,, its his right,, but then it may be his demise in the game. If he is good with that then he can go for it. Can he also burn the flag?
I think he needs to find a better country.

[Wizzard]

I am very surprised by some of the posts in this thread.

Yes, he is all of the things he's been called, including being called an AMERICAN.

Being an American, he has the right to say and do what he wants within the law.  He is expressing his constitutional  right.  We all know how important those amendments are, correct?  Nobody wants to lose the one's we all hold dearly.

Remember the old adage...   I may hate what you're saying but I will defend your right to say it?  What happened?

Let the market punish him if it sees fit.  But we shouldn't be advocating for him to lose his job and other things.

What if  Bagelboy did decide to make his employees stand in silence for the national anthem when they came in to work.  And what if one of them didn't want to?  Should that person lose their job, even if he paid $15,000.00/hr?

Seems to me he is protesting the very thing that allows him to protest!

[old2soon]

I am very surprised by some of the posts in this thread.

Yes, he is all of the things he's been called, including being called an AMERICAN.

Being an American, he has the right to say and do what he wants within the law.  He is expressing his constitutional  right.  We all know how important those amendments are, correct?  Nobody wants to lose the one's we all hold dearly.

Remember the old adage...   I may hate what you're saying but I will defend your right to say it?  What happened?

Let the market punish him if it sees fit.  But we shouldn't be advocating for him to lose his job and other things.

What if  Bagelboy did decide to make his employees stand in silence for the national anthem when they came in to work.  And what if one of them didn't want to?  Should that person lose their job, even if he paid $15,000.00/hr?

          Gary-I did mention in the O P that he had the "right" to do what he did. I question his choice of venues. And being as he was suited up in his "work" clothes it MIGHT appear-appearances these days-as IF MAYBE the 49er organization as a whole was sympathetic to his protest. Whoever brought up Tillman's name-thanks for the reminder-soon as I saw his name it all came flooding back. I NEVER agreed when deception central said it wuz okey dokey to dishonor and/or deface the FLAG of our Country anyway you see fit. As old and as slow as I am-ya dasn't wanna do that near me no way no how. I have friends and relatives that have their names on Monuments because They Made the ULTIMATE Sacrifice. far Too MANY folks these days willing to git up and piss on AMERICA. I for one am gitting cursed sick and tired of it. IF you're incapable of changing what you don't like thru the process of government that's already here-and you still don't like it here-and you can't spend enough for change-and you still don't like it here-don't let the door bang ya in da ass as yer leaving. RIDE SAFE.

[Willow]

What if  Bagelboy did decide to make his employees stand in silence for the national anthem when they came in to work.  And what if one of them didn't want to?  Should that person lose their job, even if he paid $15,000.00/hr?

Yes.  The freedom of speech (or sitting) says the government will not limit your speech.  It does not give you the ability to do what is hurtful for your employer and still keep your job. If Bagelboy did demand his employees stand in silence during the anthem and one refused to do so he should lose his job.  On the other hand, if Bagelboy were paying $15,000 per hour it would be the reaction of his customers buying those very expensive bagels that would influence that decision.

I don't expect the customers of the NFL to cause that to happen.

[Moonshot_1]

I am very surprised by some of the posts in this thread.

Yes, he is all of the things he's been called, including being called an AMERICAN.

Being an American, he has the right to say and do what he wants within the law.  He is expressing his constitutional  right.  We all know how important those amendments are, correct?  Nobody wants to lose the one's we all hold dearly.

Remember the old adage...   I may hate what you're saying but I will defend your right to say it?  What happened?

Let the market punish him if it sees fit.  But we shouldn't be advocating for him to lose his job and other things.

What if  Bagelboy did decide to make his employees stand in silence for the national anthem when they came in to work.  And what if one of them didn't want to?  Should that person lose their job, even if he paid $15,000.00/hr?

I see this in pretty simple terms.

The NFL and the 49er's are a business. Their customers are their fans.

If an employee publicly did something that would infuriate my customer base and did it intentionally, he or she should be terminated.

This guy does have the right to make such a protest, but not in a 49er's uniform at an NFL game.

Does he have the right to only throw interceptions on purpose to protest global warming?
Does he have the right to wear neon pink uniforms because he wants to clash?

Proper decorum is to stand for the National Anthem.

NFL should fine him for using their air time and their format for his protest.

He can start his own league and operate his own stadium and protest all he wants.

[The emperor has no clothes]

To be honest I've only heard about the story in passing. Is he saying he will continue ? Surely there has to be a clause in the contract about detriment to the team. Would this not count ? We sure seem to be inundated with feminine hygiene products here lately in NFL and College Football.

[Wizzard]

To be honest I've only heard about the story in passing. Is he saying he will continue ? Surely there has to be a clause in the contract about detriment to the team. Would this not count ? We sure seem to be inundated with feminine hygiene products here lately in NFL and College Football.

Yep,, he said he plans to continue his protest until the oppression is stopped.

[The emperor has no clothes]

To be honest I've only heard about the story in passing. Is he saying he will continue ? Surely there has to be a clause in the contract about detriment to the team. Would this not count ? We sure seem to be inundated with feminine hygiene products here lately in NFL and College Football.

Yep,, he said he plans to continue his protest until the oppression is stopped.

Well surely that will keep the stadium empty ? And if they show they should be protesting him. I sure would be pissed to be a SF season ticket holder.

[G-Man]

I am very surprised by some of the posts in this thread.

Yes, he is all of the things he's been called, including being called an AMERICAN.

Being an American, he has the right to say and do what he wants within the law.  He is expressing his constitutional  right.  We all know how important those amendments are, correct?  Nobody wants to lose the one's we all hold dearly.

Remember the old adage...   I may hate what you're saying but I will defend your right to say it?  What happened?

Let the market punish him if it sees fit.  But we shouldn't be advocating for him to lose his job and other things.

What if  Bagelboy did decide to make his employees stand in silence for the national anthem when they came in to work.  And what if one of them didn't want to?  Should that person lose their job, even if he paid $15,000.00/hr?

Seems to me he is protesting the very thing that allows him to protest!

Ironic, Hmmmmmm!    

[LTD]

The NFL should give him the ultimate punishment -
Sentence him to the Detroit Lions 

[LTD]

The NFL should give him the ultimate punishment -
Sentence him to the Detroit Lions 

Now that is hilarious lol

[G-Man]

I am very surprised by some of the posts in this thread.

Yes, he is all of the things he's been called, including being called an AMERICAN.

Being an American, he has the right to say and do what he wants within the law.  He is expressing his constitutional  right.  We all know how important those amendments are, correct?  Nobody wants to lose the one's we all hold dearly.

Remember the old adage...   I may hate what you're saying but I will defend your right to say it?  What happened?

Let the market punish him if it sees fit.  But we shouldn't be advocating for him to lose his job and other things.

What if  Bagelboy did decide to make his employees stand in silence for the national anthem when they came in to work.  And what if one of them didn't want to?  Should that person lose their job, even if he paid $15,000.00/hr?

I see this in pretty simple terms.

The NFL and the 49er's are a business. Their customers are their fans.

If an employee publicly did something that would infuriate my customer base and did it intentionally, he or she should be terminated.  Agreed.  If that is in his contract with his boss, then he should be fired.  But we as fans/citizens shouldn't be calling for punishment if no law has been broken, we should unfortunately be defending it because no laws have been broken.  He didn't stand.  Nobody was hurt, just some feelings looking to be hurt.

This guy does have the right to make such a protest, but not in a 49er's uniform at an NFL game.  Yep, and that's between him and his employer

Does he have the right to only throw interceptions on purpose to protest global warming?  Again, between him and his employer
Does he have the right to wear neon pink uniforms because he wants to clash?  Him and his employer

Proper decorum is to stand for the National Anthem. But as an American, he, you, I have the right not to.  It's what all the damn wars were supposedly fought for, our right to choose and not fear persecution if no law is broken, right???

NFL should fine him for using their air time and their format for his protest. Between the NFL and him

He can start his own league and operate his own stadium and protest all he wants. Agreed!

[LTD]

Kaepernick sucks as a quarterback he should be cut cause he cant play.  

[Flat6Valk]

SIMPLY put.. He is a moron.

[G-Man]

What if  Bagelboy did decide to make his employees stand in silence for the national anthem when they came in to work.  And what if one of them didn't want to?  Should that person lose their job, even if he paid $15,000.00/hr?

Yes.  The freedom of speech (or sitting) says the government will not limit your speech.  It does not give you the ability to do what is hurtful for your employer and still keep your job. If Bagelboy did demand his employees stand in silence during the anthem and one refused to do so he should lose his job.  On the other hand, if Bagelboy were paying $15,000 per hour it would be the reaction of his customers buying those very expensive bagels that would influence that decision.

I don't expect the customers of the NFL to cause that to happen.

Maybe if the rule was already in place and if the employee refused to be in area obstructed to customers, They deserve firing.  If it was a surprise and several customers were "offended" that one time, he deserves a warning.  If it happens again after the warning, then I agree on termination.  

He sat down, didn't stand, what is hurtful?  Who was hurt?  Feelings were hurt?  Are we now a nation who can't have their sissy mary feelings hurt???

Heaven help us, look what we've become.  And it's gonna get a lot worse with 8 more years of Democrat leadership from a person who is more left than the one she is replacing.

[Jess from VA]

Regarding the employment issue (NFL) (which is the right issue), in the military, we lose a portion of our first amendment rights.  Specifically, we are prohibited from taking part in all manner of things like protests (even peaceful ones), while in uniform.  So long as there is no other good order and discipline issue (or criminal mischief), we are free to protest all we want, representing our individual selves.  But not in uniform (or even with uniform parts).  We are prohibited from bringing our employer into the picture (wearing the uniform) in public.  We're also not supposed to engage in public displays of affection, like holding your wife's hand walking in public while in uniform.  Appearing in playboy/girl in part of your uniform is also out.

For civil service and all military civilian employees, the Hatch Act main provision prohibits employees in the executive branch of the federal government (except the president, vice-president, and certain designated high-level officials of that branch), from engaging in some forms of political activity (and here there are obviously no uniforms).

The NFL is a big employer, and there is a player's union, and each player has his own contract.  Any remedy for his behavior would be found in there somewhere.  Outside of personal conscience.

Let him carry a sign back and forth in front of the stadium, not on game days, and in a Tshirt and jeans (not his uniform).

[G-Man]

To be honest I've only heard about the story in passing. Is he saying he will continue ? Surely there has to be a clause in the contract about detriment to the team. Would this not count ? We sure seem to be inundated with feminine hygiene products here lately in NFL and College Football.

Yep,, he said he plans to continue his protest until the oppression is stopped.

Well surely that will keep the stadium empty ? And if they show they should be protesting him. I sure would be pissed to be a SF season ticket holder.

Only 8 home games a season.  The stadium will nevvvvvvvverrrrrrr be empty.

[f6john]

I am not a NFL fan so maybe my opinion means nothing. That said, I don't care if he ever stands up. I really don't care if he gets struck by lightening. I really don't care what any NFL, NBA, ect player says or does and that applies to actors and the wealthy in general. If it weren't for the media starving for another story to sensationalize, I probably would not even know about the incident. What if I decided not to stand, who would care? Bad taste is bad taste no matter how much or how little money you have. Much ado about a mental midget that can throw a football rather well.

[signart]

I am not a NFL fan so maybe my opinion means nothing. That said, I don't care if he ever stands up. I really don't care if he gets struck by lightening. I really don't care what any NFL, NBA, ect player says or does and that applies to actors and the wealthy in general. If it weren't for the media starving for another story to sensationalize, I probably would not even know about the incident. What if I decided not to stand, who would care? Bad taste is bad taste no matter how much or how little money you have. Much ado about a mental midget that can throw a football rather well.

Same here, but will add this joker doesn't care about you or me either. Neither does any of the other players. The NFL (NBA) teams do not represent you, they do not represent your city or your state. Just think of all the time and life wasted watching and cheering for multi millionaires playing a kids game, that couldn't care less about you.

[sleepngbear]

Maybe if the rule was already in place and if the employee refused to be in area obstructed to customers, They deserve firing.  If it was a surprise and several customers were "offended" that one time, he deserves a warning.  If it happens again after the warning, then I agree on termination.  

He sat down, didn't stand, what is hurtful?  Who was hurt?  Feelings were hurt?  Are we now a nation who can't have their sissy mary feelings hurt???

Heaven help us, look what we've become.  And it's gonna get a lot worse with 8 more years of Democrat leadership from a person who is more left than the one she is replacing.

Did you read his explanation for why he's sitting down and exactly what it is he's protesting? That's what's offensive, not the fact that he's sitting down.

And being that he's exercising his right to free speech and protesting on his employer's time, I'd say his employer is the one who's being harmed here. People get canned for doing far less than that to tarnish their employer's image.

But that's not the point here. The point is he's using his status as an elite sports celebrity to spew his divisive garbage. There are so many better ways to air his concerns and even actually DO something about it besides this lazy approach of sitting on his ass. That's the issue here, not the notion that somebody's sissy mary feelings are hurt, the suggestion of which, by the way, I also take offense at.

[RP#62]

Surely this isn't the same NFL that wouldn't allow the Cowboys to show support for the police that were gunned down, you know, since that was an unsanctioned cause.

-RP

[Jersey mike]

http://thechive.com/2016/08/30/why-i-stand-up-when-the-national-anthem-plays-21-photos/

[Skinhead]

http://thechive.com/2016/08/30/why-i-stand-up-when-the-national-anthem-plays-21-photos/

+1

[Wizzard]

As the reaction to Colin Kaepernick’s national anthem protest continues to pour in, former NFL quarterback and current analyst Boomer Esiason has offered one of the strongest takes.

At an event for CBS in New York on Tuesday, Esiason said he believes Kaepernick’s decision to remain seated during the national anthem is one of the most “disrespectful” things an athlete has ever done.
“I cannot say it in the strongest, most direct way, that it’s an embarrassment and it’s about as disrespectful as any athlete has ever been,” Esiason said, per Bob Glauber of Newsday. “And I don’t care what the cause is. The NFL football field is not a place for somebody to further their political ambitions. Can you imagine if a player went out on the field with a ‘Make America Great Again’ hat and let’s vote for (Donald) Trump? It’s the same thing.”

Many have applauded Kaepernick for using his status as an NFL player to call attention to a social issue, but Esiason isn’t on board with the message, either.

“He is severely under-informed, and I welcome him to go ride in a cop car and take numerous 911 calls, going into places where guns and violence are everyday occurrences,” Esiason added. “Put on that blue (police) uniform and put the shield on and see what it’s like to put your life in harm’s way every single day, and then get back to me when you’re making $35,000 or $40,000 a year, as opposed to the $11 million he’s making.”

While Esiason did point out that Kaepernick is entitled to his opinion, he is incensed that the 28-year-old chose to express it at work.

“It’s an NFL football field, and he’s wearing an NFL uniform,” Esiason said. “At the end of the day, if he wants to do it in a news conference, if he wants to do it and talk about it at the ESPY’s and talk about it at an event he’s having, more power to him. Those are the places you should be doing it, like LeBron James is doing it, like Carmelo Anthony is hoping to do it.”

As we’ve already mentioned, Kaepernick must be pleased with himself if his goal was to get people talking. While there are plenty who share Esiason’s opinion, Kaep is even receiving support from men and women in the military who have used this hashtag. The reaction is showing no signs of slowing down.

[old2soon]

As the reaction to Colin Kaepernick’s national anthem protest continues to pour in, former NFL quarterback and current analyst Boomer Esiason has offered one of the strongest takes.

At an event for CBS in New York on Tuesday, Esiason said he believes Kaepernick’s decision to remain seated during the national anthem is one of the most “disrespectful” things an athlete has ever done.
“I cannot say it in the strongest, most direct way, that it’s an embarrassment and it’s about as disrespectful as any athlete has ever been,” Esiason said, per Bob Glauber of Newsday. “And I don’t care what the cause is. The NFL football field is not a place for somebody to further their political ambitions. Can you imagine if a player went out on the field with a ‘Make America Great Again’ hat and let’s vote for (Donald) Trump? It’s the same thing.”

Many have applauded Kaepernick for using his status as an NFL player to call attention to a social issue, but Esiason isn’t on board with the message, either.

“He is severely under-informed, and I welcome him to go ride in a cop car and take numerous 911 calls, going into places where guns and violence are everyday occurrences,” Esiason added. “Put on that blue (police) uniform and put the shield on and see what it’s like to put your life in harm’s way every single day, and then get back to me when you’re making $35,000 or $40,000 a year, as opposed to the $11 million he’s making.”

While Esiason did point out that Kaepernick is entitled to his opinion, he is incensed that the 28-year-old chose to express it at work.

“It’s an NFL football field, and he’s wearing an NFL uniform,” Esiason said. “At the end of the day, if he wants to do it in a news conference, if he wants to do it and talk about it at the ESPY’s and talk about it at an event he’s having, more power to him. Those are the places you should be doing it, like LeBron James is doing it, like Carmelo Anthony is hoping to do it.”

As we’ve already mentioned, Kaepernick must be pleased with himself if his goal was to get people talking. While there are plenty who share Esiason’s opinion, Kaep is even receiving support from men and women in the military who have used this hashtag. The reaction is showing no signs of slowing down.

               The closest thing I can dredge up from the cobwebs is the black power "salute" at the Olympics some time in the 70s? 80s? RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

'68 in Mexico City

[Alpha Dog]

Surely this isn't the same NFL that wouldn't allow the Cowboys to show support for the police that were gunned down, you know, since that was an unsanctioned cause.

-RP

I believe it is the same NFL.  Cowboys wanted to wear a tribute on there helmets this year in honor of the five gunned down Police Officers.   NFL said no.  At least the Cardinals got to wear an honor patch for Tillman, in fact I think all the NFL teams did that year, and they erected a memorial for him.  In ten years no one will remember Mr. Paperneck.

[G-Man]

Maybe if the rule was already in place and if the employee refused to be in area obstructed to customers, They deserve firing.  If it was a surprise and several customers were "offended" that one time, he deserves a warning.  If it happens again after the warning, then I agree on termination.  

He sat down, didn't stand, what is hurtful?  Who was hurt?  Feelings were hurt?  Are we now a nation who can't have their sissy mary feelings hurt???

Heaven help us, look what we've become.  And it's gonna get a lot worse with 8 more years of Democrat leadership from a person who is more left than the one she is replacing.

Did you read his explanation for why he's sitting down and exactly what it is he's protesting? That's what's offensive, not the fact that he's sitting down.

And being that he's exercising his right to free speech and protesting on his employer's time, I'd say his employer is the one who's being harmed here. People get canned for doing far less than that to tarnish their employer's image.

But that's not the point here. The point is he's using his status as an elite sports celebrity to spew his divisive garbage. There are so many better ways to air his concerns and even actually DO something about it besides this lazy approach of sitting on his ass. That's the issue here, not the notion that somebody's sissy mary feelings are hurt, the suggestion of which, by the way, I also take offense at.

Yes, I know all about why he thinks he's doing it.  But he hasn't broken one damn law.  As America and Americans, we have to protect his, and anyone else's RIGHT to be an asshole. 

The ones that agree with him think he's doing nothing wrong.  The ones that disagree with him think he IS doing wrong.  Who's right?  Who get's to decide?  NOBODY, that's why we we have the first amendment to protect everyone from persecution for voicing or demonstrating our opinions.

Is he in bad taste, yes.  Did he "offend" people, yes.  But he did nothing against the law.

His future employment is between the team and him, nobody else.  You don't like him, don't watch when he plays.

And, IN MY OPINION, I think this "offended" word is becoming watered down.  But, if I honestly offended you, I mean if my words on the screen really offended you, I am sincerely, very sorry.  It was not my intent to offend anybody.  None of my posts here ever are.

[G-Man]

Surely this isn't the same NFL that wouldn't allow the Cowboys to show support for the police that were gunned down, you know, since that was an unsanctioned cause.

-RP

Dallas asked permission first.  This asshole surprised everyone.

[G-Man]

As the reaction to Colin Kaepernick’s national anthem protest continues to pour in, former NFL quarterback and current analyst Boomer Esiason has offered one of the strongest takes.

At an event for CBS in New York on Tuesday, Esiason said he believes Kaepernick’s decision to remain seated during the national anthem is one of the most “disrespectful” things an athlete has ever done.
“I cannot say it in the strongest, most direct way, that it’s an embarrassment and it’s about as disrespectful as any athlete has ever been,” Esiason said, per Bob Glauber of Newsday. “And I don’t care what the cause is. The NFL football field is not a place for somebody to further their political ambitions. Can you imagine if a player went out on the field with a ‘Make America Great Again’ hat and let’s vote for (Donald) Trump? It’s the same thing.”

Many have applauded Kaepernick for using his status as an NFL player to call attention to a social issue, but Esiason isn’t on board with the message, either.

“He is severely under-informed, and I welcome him to go ride in a cop car and take numerous 911 calls, going into places where guns and violence are everyday occurrences,” Esiason added. “Put on that blue (police) uniform and put the shield on and see what it’s like to put your life in harm’s way every single day, and then get back to me when you’re making $35,000 or $40,000 a year, as opposed to the $11 million he’s making.”

While Esiason did point out that Kaepernick is entitled to his opinion, he is incensed that the 28-year-old chose to express it at work.

“It’s an NFL football field, and he’s wearing an NFL uniform,” Esiason said. “At the end of the day, if he wants to do it in a news conference, if he wants to do it and talk about it at the ESPY’s and talk about it at an event he’s having, more power to him. Those are the places you should be doing it, like LeBron James is doing it, like Carmelo Anthony is hoping to do it.”

As we’ve already mentioned, Kaepernick must be pleased with himself if his goal was to get people talking. While there are plenty who share Esiason’s opinion, Kaep is even receiving support from men and women in the military who have used this hashtag. The reaction is showing no signs of slowing down.

               The closest thing I can dredge up from the cobwebs is the black power "salute" at the Olympics some time in the 70s? 80s? RIDE SAFE.

What about Hands Up just last year?  When 4 or 5 members of the team came out before the rest with their arms up in the air.  How about the freaking Super Bowl where Beyonce did a song about police violence?

[G-Man]

BTW,  Some thought Jimi Hendrix's arrangement of the anthem was a disgrace.  Some thought it was brilliant and beautiful.

Should he have been persecuted or defended?

I may not agree with what my fellow American is saying or doing, but as an American, I should be willing to defend his or her right to say it.

[98valk]

Respect the Flag

http://publications.usa.gov/epublications/ourflag/flaglaws1.htm

Title 36, Chapter 10 PATRIOTIC CUSTOMS

§171. National anthem; Star-Spangled Banner, conduct during playing

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.   

Note: A new law was passed on October 30, 2008 that authorizes veterans and active-duty military not in uniform can now render the military-style hand salute during the playing of the national anthem. This publication is currently being updated to reflect the new law.

[sleepngbear]

Yes, I know all about why he thinks he's doing it.  But he hasn't broken one damn law.  As America and Americans, we have to protect his, and anyone else's RIGHT to be an asshole. 

The ones that agree with him think he's doing nothing wrong.  The ones that disagree with him think he IS doing wrong.  Who's right?  Who get's to decide?  NOBODY, that's why we we have the first amendment to protect everyone from persecution for voicing or demonstrating our opinions.

Is he in bad taste, yes.  Did he "offend" people, yes.  But he did nothing against the law.

His future employment is between the team and him, nobody else.  You don't like him, don't watch when he plays.

And, IN MY OPINION, I think this "offended" word is becoming watered down.  But, if I honestly offended you, I mean if my words on the screen really offended you, I am sincerely, very sorry.  It was not my intent to offend anybody.  None of my posts here ever are.

Nobody is questioning whether or not he has the right to make whatever statement he's making. Everyone understands the extreme irony in him having and exercising that right. Hell, I have the right to show up to work in a speedo. But just like this whole affair, it would be highly inappropriate, and I would guess that the vast majority of people with whom I share office space would not want to see it. Is it wrong? Well, that too is between me and my employer. What's being discussed here is not whether he has the right to do and say what he's been doing or saying, it's the blatant stupidity and utter disrespect of what he's doing and saying.

[LTD]

68 Olympics remember it well John Carlos, Tommy Smith head down black glove in the air I was enraged at the time and still don't think much of the scumbags who did it.  But I believe on one of the college campuses here in America they have a statue of the two doing their Mexico city salute further proof that America is sliding faster and faster into balkanization and into the third world.

[bagelboy]

Well to answer G man, when people come to my place, put down their money, and expect a good, quality product, I am expected to give them the best product for their hard earned money. Period. I don't allow Political items to be worn or displayed, why, because it is a business and people should not be subjected to our political beliefs or causes. They come to buy our product, not get a speech or be offended. If someone works for me and wears something political, or opinionated, they are asked to go home. Period. Football players are payed by networks, and fans. Football players jobs are to play football, not render their opinions on the field. That's not what they are payed to do. I own a business, and it is not a democracy. We don't vote on policy. I make policy. So I want what I feel people deserve for their money. If I'm not happy with the attitude of an employee, they are fired. If they're not happy with mine, they quit.

[therapist]

So, Kaepernick says America isn't great and everyone wants him to leave the country.
Trump says America isn't great, and people want to make him President.
Is that what they call "white privilege?"

Allen Etzlet

[MP]

So, Kaepernick says America isn't great and everyone wants him to leave the country.
Trump says America isn't great, and people want to make him President.
Is that what they call "white privilege?"

Allen Etzlet

That right there is called "spin".

[RP#62]

So, Kaepernick says America isn't great and everyone wants him to leave the country.
Trump says America isn't great, and people want to make him President.
Is that what they call "white privilege?"

Allen Etzlet

That's one way of looking at it.  Another is  Trump says the country is going down the tube and  kaepernick is a case in point.

-RP