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I don't consider those who haven't served as "less than", I consider them as average. Those that have served honorably I consider slightly "more than".I didn't serve. I'm of that age where the Vietnam war had just ended, I missed being draftable by a year or so... I didn't appreciate the value of serving voluntarily as a young man, I was a college student, beer drinker, pinball player living fat and happy in a land made free and prosperous by those who did serve. I am proud to have served my country, and to help protect your right to hold what ever opinions you wish, no matter how wrong they may be.I'm proud of you too -Mike
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I was just a very skinny, freezing his ass off in Buffalo, dead broke student piling up student loan debt working 2 jobs every May thru end of summerBack around 1977 or so, you could go to Clemson, two semesters I think, room, food, books and a full class load, about $3,000. It is crazy what people have to pay now... Because of the "fat and happy and beer" part, I finished the last two years worth of classes a class at a time while working full time  ... -Mike "but my Mama still loved me"
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I don't consider those who haven't served as "less than", I consider them as average. Those that have served honorably I consider slightly "more than".I didn't serve. I'm of that age where the Vietnam war had just ended, I missed being draftable by a year or so... I didn't appreciate the value of serving voluntarily as a young man, I was a college student, beer drinker, pinball player living fat and happy in a land made free and prosperous by those who did serve. I am proud to have served my country, and to help protect your right to hold what ever opinions you wish, no matter how wrong they may be.I'm proud of you too -Mike Thanks, Mike. I'm proud of you too. You are what I consider a fine American. It sounds like we are about the same age. I graduated in '74, My dad and I didn't see eye to eye at that time and he told me I could live in his house until I was 18, so I got a suitcase for my 18th birthday and was off to bootcamp the day after. The draft had ended I believe the year before and they were no longer deploying to 'Nam, I'm really glad I missed it. I have the utmost respect for Vets, especially combat Vets. Everyone deals with it differently, I thank God that I never had to deal with that part of it. |
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This week, just in time for the Federal District Court in Hawaii to put a nationwide restraining order on President Trump’s travel ban, Obama showed up unexpectedly in Hawaii.
US District Court Judge Derrick Watson, appointed 5 years ago by Obama, threw up another roadblock to President Trump’s extreme vetting of immigrants entering the U.S. from failed nation-states where vetting is nearly impossible.
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This week, just in time for the Federal District Court in Hawaii to put a nationwide restraining order on President Trump’s travel ban, Obama showed up unexpectedly in Hawaii.
US District Court Judge Derrick Watson, appointed 5 years ago by Obama, threw up another roadblock to President Trump’s extreme vetting of immigrants entering the U.S. from failed nation-states where vetting is nearly impossible.
LOLOL....that crazy Obama guy again. He's EVERYWHERE ! Oh wait, he's from there isn't he? What are the odds? Yeah what are the odds he would show up at that precise time? Careful, that's bordering on tin-foil hat talk..... You say that as if Tin Foil Hats are a bad thing. Just because you believe the Government is out to get you doesn't mean that you are paranoid. Ask "ANY" Native American if the Government can be trusted. I don't believe the Inuit have any mistrust of the government. |
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There's an obvious contradiction there 'head. You clearly stated that you think everyone should have had some skin in the game. Earlier you said it didn't really make any difference. Do you see the problem with that? As for all men being created equal it sounds good but I've long said that anyone who really believes that isn't paying attention. Even if you do believe all men are created equal it only speaks to their beginnings not what they have done with themselves. All I said that seems to have spawned this back and forth was that I tend to disregard the complaints about government and politics from men who haven't bothered to contribute, to put some skin in the game. Do I think I'm better? I don't think I clearly expressed that. Do I think I'm a better man than I would've been for the experience? I do. Perhaps it was just the side of the fence but I believe your experience made you a better man even if you don't recognize it. I was raised by parents among those who lived through the depression and served during the second world war. With the young men with whom I associated during my growing up years there was not so much a question of whether each of us would serve but only how and where. I am an old fashioned man. I do believe it's right for every man to serve, though none of my four sons chose to. I do not hold in my heart the same requirement for young women but I do respect the one's who have chosen to contribute. I'll leave some questions unanswered. |
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There's an obvious contradiction there 'head. You clearly stated that you think everyone should have had some skin in the game. Earlier you said it didn't really make any difference. Do you see the problem with that? As for all men being created equal it sounds good but I've long said that anyone who really believes that isn't paying attention. Even if you do believe all men are created equal it only speaks to their beginnings not what they have done with themselves. All I said that seems to have spawned this back and forth was that I tend to disregard the complaints about government and politics from men who haven't bothered to contribute, to put some skin in the game. Do I think I'm better? I don't think I clearly expressed that. Do I think I'm a better man than I would've been for the experience? I do. Perhaps it was just the side of the fence but I believe your experience made you a better man even if you don't recognize it. I was raised by parents among those who lived through the depression and served during the second world war. With the young men with whom I associated during my growing up years there was not so much a question of whether each of us would serve but only how and where. I am an old fashioned man. I do believe it's right for every man to serve, though none of my four sons chose to. I do not hold in my heart the same requirement for young women but I do respect the one's who have chosen to contribute. I'll leave some questions unanswered. I think you misunderstood what I said. I do think it would be for us as a nation to have everybody take part in our defense or well being. If for nothing else to let everybody realize our great country is helped by all of us working together . But I do not believe my 4 years of service made me any better or more qualified than someone who didn't serve. I have no doubt military service did me good in some ways. I'm sure it's also true I picked up some not so great habits while in also. Wouldn't change it for the world though, I'm happy with the person I've become and my military service is part of that. I believe I understand where you are coming from. I would just remind everybody that just because we served doesn't necessarily make our opinions of government any better than those who didn't. I'm sure I could name numerous individuals who served with me that I wouldn't trust making any decisions . I am unsure how I feel about young women being required to serve. I guess it has served the Israelis well though. |
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I went in the Navy at the age of 20. I think 1 guy was older than me in basic training. I got to see a lot of the world because of it. But it didn't make me any better of a man than someone who didn't serve. I do think the Israelis have a good idea with mandatory service. Everybody should have some skin in the game. ......."All Men Created Equal"
There's an obvious contradiction there 'head. You clearly stated that you think everyone should have had some skin in the game. Earlier you said it didn't really make any difference. Do you see the problem with that? As for all men being created equal it sounds good but I've long said that anyone who really believes that isn't paying attention. Even if you do believe all men are created equal it only speaks to their beginnings not what they have done with themselves. All I said that seems to have spawned this back and forth was that I tend to disregard the complaints about government and politics from men who haven't bothered to contribute, to put some skin in the game. Do I think I'm better? I don't think I clearly expressed that. Do I think I'm a better man than I would've been for the experience? I do. Perhaps it was just the side of the fence but I believe your experience made you a better man even if you don't recognize it. I was raised by parents among those who lived through the depression and served during the second world war. With the young men with whom I associated during my growing up years there was not so much a question of whether each of us would serve but only how and where. I am an old fashioned man. I do believe it's right for every man to serve, though none of my four sons chose to. I do not hold in my heart the same requirement for young women but I do respect the one's who have chosen to contribute. I'll leave some questions unanswered. I would have to say that Yes, "All men are created equal". The Bible tells us that God is no respecter of persons: Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons. Acts 10:34 For there is no respect of persons with God. Romans 2:11 So, Yes God does create everyone equal. However, how we live our lives and what we do with our lives does determine our worth as human beings. Maybe not with God but definitely with our fellow man. |
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« Reply #64 on: March 20, 2017, 02:19:29 PM » |
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I would have to say that Yes, "All men are created equal".
The Bible tells us that God is no respecter of persons:
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons. Acts 10:34
For there is no respect of persons with God. Romans 2:11
So, Yes God does create everyone equal.
However, how we live our lives and what we do with our lives does determine our worth as human beings.
Maybe not with God but definitely with our fellow man.
I won't belabor this discussion as I feel it is all too obvious. Would it be easy to determine that one born with deformed legs or arms is not equal on the sports fields to one born fully functional? Okay. I understand your reluctance. Is it fairly easy to believe that one born of deficient intellectual strength is less prepared to make complex decisions than one born of genius level intellectual strength? I understand your hesitation. How about are you able to acknowledge that some people are more easily influenced by slick salesmen into worthless purchases? Wow! From there it is pretty easily accepted that some folks are better prepared to analyze and decide political choices than are others. The scriptures you referenced in no way speak to the question of all people being created equal. They specifically say that God will save anyone regardless of the environment or heritage in which they were born. Peter and Paul were intending to speak to the issue of whether the people of Israel were uniquely selected for salvation over the gentiles. No, God has not created us all as equals. That would be why some rise naturally to success or leadership and others do not. What God does is not expect us to behave or develop beyond what He has made us capable of. You can be assured that if the Creator demands something of me that it is what He has given me capability to do. It's really none of my concern whether it is easier or harder for someone else to achieve. |
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There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.
Reminds me of another cackling hen........... Madeleine Albright: There’s A Special Place In Hell For Women Who Don’t Vote For Hillary Actually the quote was "there is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women" [/quote Doesn't change to sentiment at all, but thank you for participating. Sorry, thought you would appreciate knowing the actual quote. Guess I was wrong again. |
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« Reply #66 on: March 21, 2017, 10:09:34 AM » |
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There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.
Reminds me of another cackling hen........... Madeleine Albright: There’s A Special Place In Hell For Women Who Don’t Vote For Hillary Actually the quote was "there is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women" Doesn't change to sentiment at all, but thank you for participating. Sorry, thought you would appreciate knowing the actual quote. Guess I was wrong again. Very wrong, again. Still changes nothing. But you couldn't resist making the correction, even though you, and everyone else, completely got it. You just can't help it. But thanks again for playing. |
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« Reply #67 on: March 21, 2017, 11:10:00 AM » |
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There's a special place in hell for these assholes. And he can't be impeached fast enough.
Reminds me of another cackling hen........... Madeleine Albright: There’s A Special Place In Hell For Women Who Don’t Vote For Hillary Actually the quote was "there is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women" Doesn't change to sentiment at all, but thank you for participating. Sorry, thought you would appreciate knowing the actual quote. Guess I was wrong again. Very wrong, again. Still changes nothing. But you couldn't resist making the correction, even though you, and everyone else, completely got it. You just can't help it. But thanks again for playing. Gary, my apologies. I won't bother you again. |
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« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2017, 07:52:34 PM » |
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I would have to say that Yes, "All men are created equal".
The Bible tells us that God is no respecter of persons:
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons. Acts 10:34
For there is no respect of persons with God. Romans 2:11
So, Yes God does create everyone equal.
However, how we live our lives and what we do with our lives does determine our worth as human beings.
Maybe not with God but definitely with our fellow man.
I won't belabor this discussion as I feel it is all too obvious. Would it be easy to determine that one born with deformed legs or arms is not equal on the sports fields to one born fully functional? Okay. I understand your reluctance. Is it fairly easy to believe that one born of deficient intellectual strength is less prepared to make complex decisions than one born of genius level intellectual strength? I understand your hesitation. How about are you able to acknowledge that some people are more easily influenced by slick salesmen into worthless purchases? Wow! From there it is pretty easily accepted that some folks are better prepared to analyze and decide political choices than are others. The scriptures you referenced in no way speak to the question of all people being created equal. They specifically say that God will save anyone regardless of the environment or heritage in which they were born. Peter and Paul were intending to speak to the issue of whether the people of Israel were uniquely selected for salvation over the gentiles. No, God has not created us all as equals. That would be why some rise naturally to success or leadership and others do not. What God does is not expect us to behave or develop beyond what He has made us capable of. You can be assured that if the Creator demands something of me that it is what He has given me capability to do. It's really none of my concern whether it is easier or harder for someone else to achieve. In doing a little Internet research I have discovered that this is actually quite the theological argument. One that after reading the opinions of many I am still not sure who is correct. Apparently, the question is much more complicated than I originally thought. Initially, the answer seemed very simple to me: We are all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27 NKJV). God shows no favoritism (Galatians 2:6 NKJV). So therefore I concluded that, "All Men Are Created Equal". Maybe that is a flawed conclusion or maybe it isn't. One thing is for sure this is a theological question that has perked my interest and and one that I feel deserves more study. Another certainty is that the only time a theological question is worthy of argument among fellow Christians is that if the belief held by one endangers their salvation or the salvation of others. This theological question does not rise to that level. |
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« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2017, 08:11:53 PM » |
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All men are created equal in the eyes of God.
All men are created equal in the eyes of the Law.
All men are not created equal in the eyes of Man.
All Laws are not created equal in the eyes of Men
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« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2017, 09:01:31 PM » |
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All men are created equal is a good theory put into practice for various noble purposes in the treatment and governance of man (but actually a fiction).
In fact, very few men are actually equal, mentally and/or physically.
See the Olympics. See the Darwin Awards. See IQ and educational testing. Find your foot.
If your DNA profile is one in 80 million (or a billion), how many equals can you have?
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« Reply #71 on: March 23, 2017, 03:12:09 AM » |
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We are all made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27 NKJV).
God shows no favoritism (Galatians 2:6 NKJV).
So therefore I concluded that, "All Men Are Created Equal".
Maybe that is a flawed conclusion or maybe it isn't.
Something I saw once that stuck with me: God's word plus man's word isn't
God's word plus something, it is God's word minus something...
So... "All Men Are Created Equal" isn't God's word, but still, Thomas Jefferson
wrote it into the Declaration of Independence, which he worked on with
people like Benjamin Franklin and which was inspired by stuff written by
people like John Locke and George Mason. "All Men Are Created Equal"
doesn't rise to the word of God, but it still seems worth remembering.
Another certainty is that the only time a theological question is worthy of argument
among fellow Christians is that if the belief held by one endangers their salvation or
the salvation of others.
Accept anyone who is weak in faith, but don’t argue about doubtful issues. ...
Whoever serves Christ ... is acceptable to God ...
The above are parts of Romans 14 that leap off the page to me when I read it.
I wish I would remember the above before I say or do something snarky, here
or elsewhere, maybe that's the idea behind the admonition Pray Constantly in First
Thessalonians... ?
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