Climate change: it is a hoax!

[Savago]

So... US just faced 2 biblical hurricanes in a single week (and there is a third one in the middle Atlantic, something unheard of in the recorded history).

In the Northwest we had record snowfalls this winter and now temperatures are on triple digits, while the forests burn (see LA as an example).

But I guess this whole climate change is just shenanigans... right? :-P

[DirtyDan]

How many "storms of the century" this week ?

Death toll is ?

Others were ?

Dan

[Willow]

Climate change is real and constant.  That's not the argument.  The argument is over whether human activity is responsible for changes in the climate.

By the way, there were hurricanes recorded in the Bible?

[John Schmidt]

And....the Norsemen used the northern passage to come to this continent a few hundred years ago. Was rather easy back then, a lot of the ice had melted as it has now. Back then the world wasn't industrialized as it is today so can't blame it on that.

[Jess from VA]

Climate change: it is a hoax!

Yeah, it is.   

How exactly are hurricanes (or fires or snow) causally related to climate change?

Yes, much violent weather is caused by two (or more) weather systems colliding, but again, how is that related to climate change (or the old word, global warming)? 

[Chrisj CMA]

What climate change is NOT caused by is carbon dioxide

[Hacked Valk]

Seems like it's better to err on the side of caution and give credence to a scientific establishment that has little reason to lie.  As Opposed to persons or industries trying to maintain their interests.
Arsenic in wall paper isn't a health problem.  Arsenic industry.
Lead in paint poses no problems.  Paint and mining industry.
Smoking doesn't cause lung cancer.  Tobbaco industry.  
Childhood inoculations cause retardation.  
Can you imagine how bad life would be if everyone simply rejected science in favor of opinion? We owe a great deal to scientific finding past present and future.  Climate does change on its own and always has and will. Science does in fact have good data on weather patterns going back millions of years to compare to and the present changes are unprecedented in speed and amount and absolutely correspond to industrialization and mass consumption. Heed the warnings.

[Patrick]

These hurricanes are all Mr Trumps fault.  Just see what Ana Navarro and Jennifer Lawrence  have to say about it. They're actress' so they can't be wrong. 

[J.Mencalice]

Just remember...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

 

[Willow]

Seems like it's better to err on the side of caution and give credence to a scientific establishment that has little reason to lie.  
...
Heed the warnings.

You may want to check your scientific sources.  There is not unanimous agreement.

Millions of years?  An exaggeration at best.  Never at this speed? You won't find that substantiated.

[Serk]

Seems like it's better to err on the side of caution and give credence to a scientific establishment that has little reason to lie.

[art]

Yup Trump's fault

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After Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans in 2005, some climate modelers predicted such storms would be more frequent in a warmer world, while others predicted the opposite, and still others said there was no connection between warming and hurricanes. What ensued was an historically unprecedented 12-year absence of major (category 3 or higher) hurricanes making landfall in the United States, until Harvey, which ties for 14th-most intense hurricane since 1851. The events after 2005 were "consistent with" some projections, but any other events would have been as well.

[..]

That darned global/change/warming climate has so much to blame for 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_Atlantic_hurricanes

[Hacked Valk]

Of course there's not 100 percent consensus. Just like there wasn't 100 percent consensus smoking killed.  I say 97 percent is pretty overwhelming regardless of the posted cartoons insinuation. Peer reviewed and peer duplicated scientific finding are one thing.  Political and financial considerations are another.  Science is not done by consensus. Science isn’t correct because the majority voted for it. While much science is never proved in the mathematical sense, it becomes an accepted fact when nobody disputes it any longer, so compelling is the evidence that supports the theory.  Like smoking and arsenic/lead in the environment.  The problem with global warming (yes, global warming was changed to "climate change" by those with financial and political reasons because it's less scary) is the the consequences can be absolutely catastrophic.  If you think it's only a matter of being a few degrees warmer in the future you are seriously uninformed.  It will affect life as we know it.

[Savago]

It is like I said, it is a hoax... right? 


And everyone is right, there are things that science fails to explain.

[Farside]

Of course there's not 100 percent consensus. Just like there wasn't 100 percent consensus smoking killed.  I say 97 percent is pretty overwhelming regardless of the posted cartoons insinuation. Peer reviewed and peer duplicated scientific finding are one thing.  Political and financial considerations are another.  Science is not done by consensus. Science isn’t correct because the majority voted for it. While much science is never proved in the mathematical sense, it becomes an accepted fact when nobody disputes it any longer, so compelling is the evidence that supports the theory.  Like smoking and arsenic/lead in the environment.  The problem with global warming (yes, global warming was changed to "climate change" by those with financial and political reasons because it's less scary) is the the consequences can be absolutely catastrophic.  If you think it's only a matter of being a few degrees warmer in the future you are seriously uninformed.  It will affect life as we know it.

Pull my finger!   Yes it could happen or a dud. Think the Global warming is for real of course it is. It's always changing so glad it has now been more accurately labeled. It gives those who want to study climate plenty to research. You can't go wrong and your a genius. Pull my finger!  

[Serk]

Look, if you believe in the religion of climatology, that's fine, and I respect your faith. Just don't try to force me to live by the tenets of your religion.

[Hacked Valk]

Didn't realize climate matters were a religion.  I do believe in the scientific method.

[Gavin_Sons]

Didn't realize climate matters were a religion.  I do believe in the scientific method.

Which scientists do you believe? Gore paid scientists or real scientists?   

[scooperhsd]

I agree with Willow - "climate change" is a constant - what has to be determined is the cause / reason why. And I suspect, that for the most part, this is just nature at work. Man may have some small part / impact, but it is greatly overshadowed by what nature does.

[Serk]

On the bright side, the religion of climatology, led by the High Pope Al Gore, had shown the true colors of their agenda...

[Raider]

 I say 97 percent is pretty overwhelming regardless of the posted cartoons insinuation.

PLEASE look up that 97% number that everyone keeps talking about.  It's a hoax.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#7dae6eb73f9f

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle

[JimC]

I would have an easier time believing the "climate change" experts if they had not joined in with the "new world order" crowd  in an attempt to SELL carbon vouchers as a means to get around correcting their mistakes, to the countries that they deemed as the worst offenders.
 
Guess who was going to pay the most?  (yup the good ol' USA) Just another attempt to transfer the wealth in my opinion.

All you have to do to make up your own mind whether it is real or not is FOLLOW THE MONEY !

Jim

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At a 2009 climate change summit meeting in Copenhagen, Hillary Rodham Clinton, then the secretary of state, pledged that by 2020 the United States would help mobilize $100 billion, through a combination of public aid and private investments, to flow annually from rich countries to help the poor economies deal with climate change.

[Serk]

At a 2009 climate change summit meeting in Copenhagen, Hillary Rodham Clinton, then the secretary of state, pledged that by 2020 the United States would help mobilize $100 billion, through a combination of public aid and private investments, to flow annually from rich countries to help the poor economies deal with climate change.

Follow the money...

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

[big d]

At some point in time I believe dinosaurs roamed the earth. Wasn't it warm. If memory serves me correct didn't the earth go through an ice age killing off said dinosaurs? Was that man made? Nah, must have been dinosaur flatulence.  What bothers me about all this the world is burning bs. by al gore is that he expects everyone else to live by a set standard and he along with the elite upper class don't have to. For a climate change conference in Copenhagen good old al gore flies on a private jet, takes a private limo to the conference and does the same in reverse to go home. Good old Leo DiCaprio takes a private jet and limo, the only difference is Leo then takes a jet to the Caribbean and boards a 150 foot yacht for a couple weeks. The bottom line is this is a money grab. It is all about taxes for the government and the working class is who is hurt. Also something for the believers to think about, if you are given millions to prove climate change is real are you going to prove or disprove it. Remember if you don't prove it that money goes away.

[old2soon]

The Hippy Dippy weather man Nailed it. Weather-we'll have some. Far as gore goes-I believe him as much as I believe any politician. My next door neighbor retired school teacher and now minister told me somethin I'll impart here. If you remember GOD is in charge what have you got to worry about? RIDE SAFE.

[Hacked Valk]

At some point in time I believe dinosaurs roamed the earth. Wasn't it warm. If memory serves me correct didn't the earth go through an ice age killing off said dinosaurs?

it was a meteor, 65 million years ago. Hit off where the Yucatán peninsula is. Raised so much atmospheric pollutionc they starved and suffocated.  BTW without that meteor mankind would likely not exist. The resultant cold was caused by the crap in the air not letting sunlight reach the surface.  Opposite of today's condition where the pollutants let the suns heat in but reflect back the heat radiated by the earth that would normally escape into space.

[Robert]

When the climate change gurus said things were getting hotter and we had the coldest winters with  The ice caps actually gaining ice they had egg on their face.  While the climate is changing there is no evidence that these are caused by climate change just like O-Zone was debunked .

 We see religious persecution these days we see nation rising against nation we  see this nation walking away from the founding principles of this country we see riots in the streets ,I think a more reasonable explanation is what's listed below.

Luk 21:9  "When you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified; for these things must take place first, but the end does not follow immediately."
Luk 21:10  Then He continued by saying to them, "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom,
Luk 21:11  and there will be great earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrors and great signs from heaven.
Luk 21:12  "But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for My name's sake.

Rev 13:17  and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

And if you say this is all nonsense then how can we be following a pattern that was written of 2000 years ago more then we are following a pattern what was written about in the last 20 years on climate change

 How much do we really need to see that was told of 2000 years ago happening before we understand that there is a God and We are walking in the things that were told would come to pass

[Patrick]

Didn't realize climate matters were a religion.  I do believe in the scientific method.

I do too. Proper scientific methods. That has not happened though. I also believe in history, especially weather history in this instance.

[Hooter]

Cow farts!

[3fan4life]

The Earth has always had a changing climate.

We have had warm periods and we have had ice ages.

I suppose that mankind can have some effect on the climate.

But not nearly as much as it is being given credit for by the "Sky is Falling" crowd.


Mother Nature always has and always will have the upper hand over mankind.   

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There is no consensus regarding the time when the Little Ice Age began,[12][13] but a series of events before the known climatic minima has often been referenced. In the 13th century, pack ice began advancing southwards in the North Atlantic, as did glaciers in Greenland. Anecdotal evidence suggests expanding glaciers almost worldwide. Based on radiocarbon dating of roughly 150 samples of dead plant material with roots intact, collected from beneath ice caps on Baffin Island and Iceland, Miller et al. (2012)[6] state that cold summers and ice growth began abruptly between 1275 and 1300, followed by "a substantial intensification" from 1430 to 1455.[14]

In contrast, a climate reconstruction based on glacial length[15][16] shows no great variation from 1600 to 1850 but strong retreat thereafter.

Therefore, any of several dates ranging over 400 years may indicate the beginning of the Little Ice Age:

    1250 for when Atlantic pack ice began to grow; cold period possibly triggered or enhanced by the massive eruption of Samalas volcano in 1257[17]
    1275 to 1300 based on the radiocarbon dating of plants killed by glaciation
    1300 for when warm summers stopped being dependable in Northern Europe
    1315 for the rains and Great Famine of 1315–1317
    1550 for theorized beginning of worldwide glacial expansion
    1650 for the first climatic minimum.

The Little Ice Age ended in the latter half of the 19th century or early in the 20th century

[..]

No RV's, SUV's, motorcycles, coal fired power plants etc etc etc so what caused the glaciers that covered N America and N Europe to fade away???

[RP#62]

Didn't realize climate matters were a religion.  I do believe in the scientific method.

Science can and should always be questioned and alternate theories explored and tested.  Religion must be accepted on faith and cannot be denied.

-RP

[Chrisj CMA]

The Earth has always had a changing climate.

We have had warm periods and we have had ice ages.

I suppose that mankind can have some effect on the climate.

But not nearly as much as it is being given credit for by the "Sky is Falling" crowd.


Mother Nature always has and always will have the upper hand over mankind.   

Exactly!  In the 60's scientists were convinced man was causing global cooling.  

All this big "to do" about green house gasses is just a greed based ploy to collect huge taxes from big companies..

One volcanic erruption releases way more of these gasses in one day than years of cow farts or  a big factory.

The funny thing is these progressive greedy money grabbers never take in account.  Co2 is a natural and necessary element in our atmosphere. Trees and plants consume it and give us oxygen in return. Excess co2 doesn't hang around warming or cooling the planet, it gets expelled through the atmosphere. If it didn't we would be breathing more and more co2 and less and less oxygen.

I believe we should be concerned with pollution ( which was have reduced) and we should protect our Forrest and trees everywhere.  The best thing we should and could have already done more of is perfect the making and using of recycled building supplies.  It's stupid that int 2017 we are still cutting down trees to make crappy 2x4's to build houses.

Biodiesel is the answer to fuel, use oil for lubrication and the environment will improve. Won't happen because of greed

[Fazer]

I believe the climate is changing, and has been since the beginning of time.  Climate change science is the new aids--if you want a grant for your research, find a way to link it to climate change.  Recorded history of temperatures is what, a few hundred years at most where as the earth is billions of years old.  How do you ascribe something that in geological time happens in the "blink" of an eye and apply to the billions of years that have come before?  I do think we should take whatever steps we can to preserve the environment--such as clean water, air, don't litter, etc., but to say man is responsible for climate change is giving man way too much credit.

[Patrick]

Well, now 'they' are saying the new ice age and mass extinction will start in 2020.  Just like Roseanne Roseanna Danna would say, 'its always something'.

[Gavin_Sons]

At some point in time I believe dinosaurs roamed the earth. Wasn't it warm. If memory serves me correct didn't the earth go through an ice age killing off said dinosaurs?

it was a meteor, 65 million years ago. Hit off where the Yucatán peninsula is. Raised so much atmospheric pollutionc they starved and suffocated.  BTW without that meteor mankind would likely not exist. The resultant cold was caused by the crap in the air not letting sunlight reach the surface.  Opposite of today's condition where the pollutants let the suns heat in but reflect back the heat radiated by the earth that would normally escape into space.

I think i'll just wait and see what happens. Yeah i'll be dead by then so i don't really care.