Ft. Hood Shooting

[ArmyValker]

I'm sure you've all heard about this... last report I read was 12 dead, 30 wounded at Ft. Hood today. I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not. I'd be surprised if the shooter(s) weren't Muslim though.

I hope they lived so we can prosecute them. I've got a brother there. He's fine, but I can't help be feel outraged knowing that other soldiers where killed at home, thousands of miles away from the war. Pray for the families.

AV

[Don07tncav]

Our prayers are with the soldiers and their families.

[Jess from VA]

That is disturbing news.  So an army psych was psycho (or a commited fundamentalist).  

Someone needs to talk to the people that worked his vetting (clearance).

A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. An Army psychologist or psychiatrist. Officials say it was not clear what Hasan's religion was....... 

[fiddle mike]

That is disturbing news.  So an army psych was psycho (or a commited fundamentalist).  

Someone needs to talk to the people that worked his vetting (clearance).

A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. An Army psychologist or psychiatrist. Officials say it was not clear what Hasan's religion was.......  

News says the Army is not sure this was his given name.
A couple of weeks back,  several guys were busted , up north, for for plotting this very thing .  They had taken Arab names.  I think the Army and the Press are still trying to figure out how to pick up the clean end of a turd.

[Chrisj CMA]

That is disturbing news.  So an army psych was psycho (or a commited fundamentalist).  

Someone needs to talk to the people that worked his vetting (clearance).

A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. An Army psychologist or psychiatrist. Officials say it was not clear what Hasan's religion was.......  

News says the Army is not sure this was his given name.
A couple of weeks back,  several guys were busted , up north, for for plotting this very thing .  They had taken Arab names.  I think the Army and the Press are still trying to figure out how to pick up the clean end of a turd.

The guys cousin was on TV tonight, says that was his givin name and he was always a muslim.  They should take him out of his cushy hospital bed and strap him to the wall and let that female cop that shot him finish the job....TONIGHT!

[Mo Lee]

That is disturbing news.  So an army psych was psycho (or a commited fundamentalist).  

Someone needs to talk to the people that worked his vetting (clearance).

A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. An Army psychologist or psychiatrist. Officials say it was not clear what Hasan's religion was.......  

News says the Army is not sure this was his given name.
A couple of weeks back,  several guys were busted , up north, for for plotting this very thing .  They had taken Arab names.  I think the Army and the Press are still trying to figure out how to pick up the clean end of a turd.

The guys cousin was on TV tonight, says that was his givin name and he was always a muslim.  They should take him out of his cushy hospital bed and strap him to the wall and let that female cop that shot him finish the job....TONIGHT!

On worldwide live TV.

[Sludge]

Another big "gun free zone"  (federal land)  another mass shooting.  Funny how this always happens in areas that deny the right to carry.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the wounded and the families of the fallen.

Oh and I hope death is slow and painful for this SOB.

[Jess from VA]

So he's not a fundamentalist, and apparently able to do his Army job for years without problem.  Then he gets tapped for overseas deployment and he looses it.  

Sounds like a first class coward to me.  Assuming he can be shown to be sane at the time of the incident (and the insanity defense under the UCMJ is a steep hill to climb), this is a first class capital death sentence case.

Afraid to do your duty overseas, welcome to life without parole in a small room (and hopefully death).

[ArmyValker]

Coward and a hypocrite.

Everything is rosy while your sitting on your ass back at Ft. Hood pretending to understand the problems of the soldiers who come into your office. Once you get orders, you flip out and start shooting people?

[Chrisj CMA]

Coward and a hypocrite.

Everything is rosy while your sitting on your ass back at Ft. Hood pretending to understand the problems of the soldiers who come into your office. Once you get orders, you flip out and start shooting people?

I dont think he "flipped out" because he got orders to deploy.  I think he was "flipped out" his whole life thinking that non muslim Americans are supposed to be killed so it wasnt a big deal.  He just couldnt go over and fight against his "people" and it appears he targeted people he knew that criticized him for these views along the way.

[Momz]

I live in metro Detroit. And it has the largest Arab population in this part of the world.
Now I have no animosity, nor love for Muslims, but I do believe that if you are going to live here, you should be a citizen. Being a citizen means (to me at least) that you try and fit in with the rest of our society.

This morning on my way to my doctors office I was caught in traffic because their were large groups of Muslims carrying posters of the Fort Hood shooter and they were supporting his actions. These Muslims were completely blocking a major (both east amd west bound lanes) road in front of a large Mosque.

Why are we allowing this to happen? If you hate the Great Satan (USA), then why do you come here? If you believe that you are better than the rest of America,....why don't you go somewhere else?

I'm truely saddened by the loss of lives and the injuries that had occured at Fort Hood. But I'm proud of the majority of Americans that are restraining from ethinic retaliation. We are better than that.

[fiddle mike]

But I'm proud of the majority of Americans that are restraining from ethinic retaliation. We are better than that.

Momz, I hope we don't have to write that on your tombstone.

BTW, the press seems to have missed that.
http://www.freep.com/

[Chrisj CMA]

I live in metro Detroit. And it has the largest Arab population in this part of the world.
Now I have no animosity, nor love for Muslims, but I do believe that if you are going to live here, you should be a citizen. Being a citizen means (to me at least) that you try and fit in with the rest of our society.

This morning on my way to my doctors office I was caught in traffic because their were large groups of Muslims carrying posters of the Fort Hood shooter and they were supporting his actions. These Muslims were completely blocking a major (both east amd west bound lanes) road in front of a large Mosque.

Why are we allowing this to happen? If you hate the Great Satan (USA), then why do you come here? If you believe that you are better than the rest of America,....why don't you go somewhere else?

I'm truely saddened by the loss of lives and the injuries that had occured at Fort Hood. But I'm proud of the majority of Americans that are restraining from ethinic retaliation. We are better than that.

I think all those radical muslim types demonstrating like that should be arrested and detained as supporting terrorism until such time we are not at war with radical muslims terrorists ..........but hey, thats just me

[fiddle mike]

I think all those radical muslim types demonstrating like that should be arrested and detained as supporting terrorism until such time we are not at war with radical muslims terrorists ..........but hey, thats just me

That might cost the Dems votes in the anti-American community.

[Chrisj CMA]

I think all those radical muslim types demonstrating like that should be arrested and detained as supporting terrorism until such time we are not at war with radical muslims terrorists ..........but hey, thats just me

That might cost the Dems votes in the anti-American community.

Ya Think!  You are absolutely right though........the sum total of the actions of our government over the last year or so has been very Anti-American and its gonna cost the incumbants BIGTIME either way

[Westernbiker]

If I had come across a demonstration like that I may not have been able to control my actions, sorry, I guess I am just a BAD AMERICAN!!!!!!!!

[Chrisj CMA]

If I had come across a demonstration like that I may not have been able to control my actions, sorry, I guess I am just a BAD AMERICAN!!!!!!!!

Heck, you might even be a right-wing extremist!   

[Westernbiker]

Maybe it's just the rowdy cowboy still left in me! LMAO!!!!! 

[Puffs Daddy]

This morning on my way to my doctors office I was caught in traffic because their were large groups of Muslims carrying posters of the Fort Hood shooter and they were supporting his actions. These Muslims were completely blocking a major (both east amd west bound lanes) road in front of a large Mosque.

Oddly, I can't find any confirmation of what I would think would be a major news story in the Detroit area.

[Mickey Runie]

If I had come across a demonstration like that I may not have been able to control my actions, sorry, I guess I am just a BAD AMERICAN!!!!!!!!

+1

I might use the old "floor mat stuck the accelerator pedal down" excuse IF caught by the law later.

[sugerbear]

local news here said "he gave away his coran(sp?) and other personal items earlier.
IF my news was correct. channel 2 (fox?)

[Chrisj CMA]

Ya they just said the WORST thing a "radical" Muslim can do is go to war against muslims....you loose those 72 virgins that are supposedly waiting..........he was hoping to be killed in the act of getting rid of some of the enemy.  Now that he lived he will no doubt loose some of the martyer (sp) points maybe only get 10 or 12 virgins.....I hope they are all fat and ugly!!!!!!!!!

[Mickey Runie]

Ya they just said the WORST thing a "radical" Muslim can do is go to war against muslims....you loose those 72 virgins that are supposedly waiting..........he was hoping to be killed in the act of getting rid of some of the enemy.  Now that he lived he will no doubt loose some of the martyer (sp) points maybe only get 10 or 12 virgins.....I hope they are all fat and ugly!!!!!!!!!

Hey Chris, I hope he still gets a full 72 virgins - all nuns with big, fat, wooden paddles in their hands to dish out some real old school thumping he so richly deserves.

[fiddle mike]

local news here said "he gave away his coran(sp?) and other personal items earlier.
IF my news was correct. channel 2 (fox?)

I read the same on some Net news site.
Giving away his stuff  sometimes  signals that a suicidal person is ready to end it all. I believe it's called, "divesting".

[Skinhead]

Well,

I guess this means Pelosi was right, Veterans are a terrorist threat.

And it's a good thing no law abiding, CCW havin', citizen was around to stop the shooting sooner than the nice lady cop did.  (Good job to her by the way).

I wonder what further gun control restrictions will be proposed to further restrict us non-criminals from protecting ourselves with out paying a tax (CCW fees).  We should not have to apply for anything in order to carry.

BTW - Pelosi isn't fit to burn our military's sh1tters.  I have the utmost respect for all veterans

[fiddle mike]

Well,

I guess this means Pelosi was right, Veterans are a terrorist threat.

And it's a good thing no law abiding, CCW havin', citizen was around to stop the shooting sooner than the nice lady cop did.  (Good job to her by the way).

I wonder what further gun control restrictions will be proposed to further restrict us non-criminals from protecting ourselves with out paying a tax (CCW fees).  We should not have to apply for anything in order to carry.

BTW - Pelosi isn't fit to burn our military's sh1tters.  I have the utmost respect for all veterans

Pelosi isn't fit to burn IN a miltary shtter.

[fudgie]

This morning on my way to my doctors office I was caught in traffic because their were large groups of Muslims carrying posters of the Fort Hood shooter and they were supporting his actions. These Muslims were completely blocking a major (both east amd west bound lanes) road in front of a large Mosque.

Oddly, I can't find any confirmation of what I would think would be a major news story in the Detroit area.

<sigh> 

[Skinhead]

Pelosi isn't fit to burn IN a miltary shtter.

You're right, I stand corrected.

[PAVALKER]

This morning on my way to my doctors office I was caught in traffic because their were large groups of Muslims carrying posters of the Fort Hood shooter and they were supporting his actions. These Muslims were completely blocking a major (both east amd west bound lanes) road in front of a large Mosque.

Oddly, I can't find any confirmation of what I would think would be a major news story in the Detroit area.

<sigh>  

Maybe the reporters are afraid to go in to those areas to report....

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Puff Daddy wouldn't be calling Momz a liar would he?

[Puffs Daddy]

Puff Daddy wouldn't be calling Momz a liar would he?

When virtually every Muslim organization in the Detroit area has condemned the shootings and there is literally nothing to back up a story of a large group of Muslims blocking a major thoroughfare supporting the shooter? Yup, a reasonable hypothesis would be either a lie or simply the poster having no idea what was going on.

[Willow]

When virtually every Muslim organization in the Detroit area has condemned the shootings and there is literally nothing to back up a story of a large group of Muslims blocking a major thoroughfare supporting the shooter? Yup, a reasonable hypothesis would be either a lie or simply the poster having no idea what was going on.

Yep!  "You was there", right?

Surely even you can't be that ignorant.

Oops!  I misspelled arrogant.     

[Puffs Daddy]

When virtually every Muslim organization in the Detroit area has condemned the shootings and there is literally nothing to back up a story of a large group of Muslims blocking a major thoroughfare supporting the shooter? Yup, a reasonable hypothesis would be either a lie or simply the poster having no idea what was going on.

Yep!  "You was there", right?

Surely even you can't be that ignorant.

Oops!  I misspelled arrogant.     

Perhaps worth noting that the OP has not come up with a single bit of verifiable evidence to support the original claim. And you seriously believe this wouldn't be a major news story? Hell, Faux Noise would be all over it.

[Trynt]

"Hell, Faux Noise would be all over it."

It was interesting to see that Fox News would not release the name of the shooter until they had official verification. Whereas Myopically Sanctimonious Nothing But Crap (MSNBC) released it before they had official verification.  I guess they were the ones spreading hate this time.

I was sickened last night to see Kieth Olbermann making excuses for the shooter, explaining he had suffered harassment including (drum roll please) removal of a bumper sticker and keying of his car. Yup that'll drive ya over the edge.

[Willow]

Perhaps worth noting that the OP has not come up with a single bit of verifiable evidence to support the original claim. And you seriously believe this wouldn't be a major news story? Hell, Faux Noise would be all over it.

My point was that someone who was not a witness chose to blatantly disrespect the eye witness account of one who was based not upon evidence, but upon a "lack of known evidence".  (?)  Does this make sense to you?

Live in whatever world you choose, but please don't ever again call it reality.

As to the OP (original poster?) not coming up with a single bit of verifiable evidence to support the original "claim" I wasn't aware that it was the responsibility of a poster to support his eye witness account with corroborating evidence to avoid being called a liar.

Incidentally, I wasn't there either, and, just between you and me, I won't rely entirely upon any network news organization.

 

[Karen]

I can only imagine the horror of being there and realizing that it was one of your comrades in arms attacking you. On a military base. In Texas. On American soil. Another fundamentalist Muslim attack on Americans in America. Treason? Sedition? Premeditated murder. Can somebody please go dump some pig blood on this useless piece of dung so as to thwart his planned trip to Paradise? Where are the news stories about the victims and their families? Given the current state of affairs, the stark reality is either fight back or continue to allow ourselves to be slaughtered by those who hate us simply because we do not believe what they do. Angry? Incessantly.

[Puffs Daddy]

Perhaps worth noting that the OP has not come up with a single bit of verifiable evidence to support the original claim. And you seriously believe this wouldn't be a major news story? Hell, Faux Noise would be all over it.

My point was that someone who was not a witness chose to blatantly disrespect the eye witness account of one who was based not upon evidence, but upon a "lack of known evidence".  (?)  Does this make sense to you?

Live in whatever world you choose, but please don't ever again call it reality.

As to the OP (original poster?) not coming up with a single bit of verifiable evidence to support the original "claim" I wasn't aware that it was the responsibility of a poster to support his eye witness account with corroborating evidence to avoid being called a liar.

Incidentally, I wasn't there either, and, just between you and me, I won't rely entirely upon any network news organization.

 

The question is whether you would rely on any news organization when such a bizarre claim has been made.  As for the responsibility to come up with corroborating evidence, if I were to claim, for example, that that on the way to work my commute had been interrupted by a crowd of flying pigs, I would expect such a claim to be questioned. In this case, the claim was that an act that had been universally condemned by every Arab and Muslim organization in a city that includes the largest population of Arab and Muslim Americans in the country was the site of a major demonstration supporting the shooter at Fort Hood.

Skepticism, at least, is called for. And without corroboration it amounts to a flying pig story.

[Willow]

The question is whether you would rely on any news organization when such a bizarre claim has been made.  As for the responsibility to come up with corroborating evidence, if I were to claim, for example, that that on the way to work my commute had been interrupted by a crowd of flying pigs, I would expect such a claim to be questioned. In this case, the claim was that an act that had been universally condemned by every Arab and Muslim organization in a city that includes the largest population of Arab and Muslim Americans in the country was the site of a major demonstration supporting the shooter at Fort Hood.

Skepticism, at least, is called for. And without corroboration it amounts to a flying pig story.

We are almost in complete agreement.  The only significant difference is in which story we believe to be the "flying pig" equivalent.

I can only conclude that one of the two of us is incredibly naive.  I use the adverb in its literal sense. 

I guess there's another point on which we may differ ever so slightly.  I believe that were one to feel strongly enough in resistance to the report of an eye witness to refute his or her story, the burden of proof falls upon the one who chooses to refute.

I'm a skeptic myself.  I suspect that each of us select with some subjectivity the targets of our skepticism.    

[Skinhead]

The question is whether you would rely on any news organization when such a bizarre claim has been made.  As for the responsibility to come up with corroborating evidence, if I were to claim, for example, that that on the way to work my commute had been interrupted by a crowd of flying pigs, I would expect such a claim to be questioned. In this case, the claim was that an act that had been universally condemned by every Arab and Muslim organization in a city that includes the largest population of Arab and Muslim Americans in the country was the site of a major demonstration supporting the shooter at Fort Hood.

Skepticism, at least, is called for. And without corroboration it amounts to a flying pig story.

I know Momz, I live North of Detroit.  I know Momz lives in Dearborn.  I know Dearborn is full of Muslims.  I am originally from Pittsburgh, where I never met a Muslim, until I moved to Michigan, which the SE part of is infested with them.  I can say this, from my personal experience.  I have Muslim neighbors that I get along with and help out as I would any neighbor, BUT, the majority of those of middle eastern descent I have come in contact with are ignorant and have no respect for the rights and property of others.  Nor do they respect our laws.  You may call me racist or what ever you like, but I call them like I see them.  

I have not seen a news report of the incident Momz cited, But then I have not been watching the local news because most of it is biased, especially the Detroit stations.  However, this doesn't mean the incident didn't happen, and knowing Momz, I believe it did.  If Puffs Daddy thinks Momz is lying about this, then he has only succeeded in verifying that my opinion of him is correct.  I'll wait until we meet to let him know what that is if he's interested.  I'll be at inzane X and easy enough to find.

 

[fudgie]

The question is whether you would rely on any news organization when such a bizarre claim has been made.  As for the responsibility to come up with corroborating evidence, if I were to claim, for example, that that on the way to work my commute had been interrupted by a crowd of flying pigs, I would expect such a claim to be questioned. In this case, the claim was that an act that had been universally condemned by every Arab and Muslim organization in a city that includes the largest population of Arab and Muslim Americans in the country was the site of a major demonstration supporting the shooter at Fort Hood.

Skepticism, at least, is called for. And without corroboration it amounts to a flying pig story.

I know Momz, I live North of Detroit.  I know Momz lives in Dearborn.  I know Dearborn is full of Muslims.  I am originally from Pittsburgh, where I never met a Muslim, until I moved to Michigan, which the SE part of is infested with them.  I can say this, from my personal experience.  I have Muslim neighbors that I get along with and help out as I would any neighbor, BUT, the majority of those of middle eastern descent I have come in contact with are ignorant and have no respect for the rights and property of others.  Nor do they respect our laws.  You may call me racist or what ever you like, but I call them like I see them.  

I have not seen a news report of the incident Momz cited, But then I have not been watching the local news because most of it is biased, especially the Detroit stations.  However, this doesn't mean the incident didn't happen, and knowing Momz, I believe it did.  If Puffs Daddy thinks Momz is lying about this, then he has only succeeded in verifying that my opinion of him is correct.  I'll wait until we meet to let him know what that is if he's interested.  I'll be at inzane X and easy enough to find.

 

 

[Chrisj CMA]

Theres two things going on here that bother me.  I cant really put my finger on which bothers me more, so Ill call it a draw:

--First, that a VRCC member says "I saw this today" and he is called on it as if it didnt happen, and someone thinks its on him to prove what he saw really happened, that is BS!  People, if we cant get along better than that and we are in the same club than we are in trouble.

--Second the denial (mostly with those on the left hand side of issues) that many muslims hate us and want us dead.  Even the news is like.......what could be the motive of this guy.......what made him snap.......Hello, he is a radical muslim extremist and wants non muslims dead before he would serve his own Country.  He is not alone and those like him need to be rounded up and detained without the bleeding hearts crying civil liberties and freedom of speech.


If I go into an airport and yell "bomb"  I will be arrested and detained.  I will NOT be able to sue anyone for the violation of my personal rights because I am responsible for my actions and Im not an Arab.  If  an Arab Muslim does something that is clearly aggressive and seeminly in support of terrorism, we have to hesitate before doing anything because OH, MY we wouldnt want to infringe on their rights or anything!!!!!!!!  Thats BS

You ask what do these two things have to do with each other, well here it is.  One of our main problems we have in America today is identifieng the enemy.  I dont care which political party, which color creed or anything.....if you are for taking away my freedom you are my enemy.  We should not be sniping each other we should be standing firm against those that would take away our right to be and do all the things we stand for in this club.  Which BTW is still the greatest I have ever been associated with