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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 09:45:15 PM » |
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Can't comment on enhancements, it would seem the owner has quite a short inseam! 
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 09:45:52 PM » |
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I sent email. I am also curious as to how he did it with only having 25k in the WHOLE bike....
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 03:23:23 AM » |
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It should mean that he has overboard the cylinders to make the displacement bigger. SHOULD mean. Never can tell.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 04:47:02 AM » |
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I doubt that this bike is bored and or stroked to 1700cc I think someone is guessing. There is no way this bike has only 25,000 miles on it, 25,000 on the rebuild maybe. Why wouldn't you wash the thing before taking pictures??
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 05:07:49 AM » |
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I see " too much chrome to list" when dealers list valks. And they are only OEM chrome pieces. I wonder what they would say about a nice one!
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 05:53:14 AM » |
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I suspect that one would have to bore and stroke to reach 1700 cc. Not even sure if that is possible. A max overbore on a GL1000 produced 1086 cc with very very thin cylinder walls. Perhaps it has been done would sure be interesting to know how. Thanks Pete.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 06:04:08 AM » |
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Check with Smokin Joe, his Yellow and Cream ( half breed ) has been " displacement enhanced " . 
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2009, 06:41:14 AM » |
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You guys are way harsh on the "too much chrome". Here's what I can list from the pix.
Chrome front fender rail Chrome front brake caliper covers Chrome front brake disk covers Chrome radiator grill Chrome fork covers Chrome spark plug valances Chrome engine hanger covers Chrome transmission covers Chrome swing arm pivot covers Chrome bag rails Chrome trunk rails Chrome trunk luggage rack Chrome replacement hand grips Chrome license plate holder Chrome switch case extension on the front brake master cylinder
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Four piece custom seats Pod lights Trailer hitch Cobra pipes Air wings with lowers Fork deflectors Highway pegs
Even if the engine is ruined it could be a good deal for someone. I have a perfectly good engine that I'd value at somewhere around six hundred dollars.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 06:51:13 AM » |
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Run away!!! I love it when you see "to much chrome to list" and it's a bare bones stock Valk, or maybe some engine hangers and tranny covers added  Guy, you need to LOOK again. Lots of chrome on that IS. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2009, 06:52:12 AM » |
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Hey Carl, glad you beat me to it cause for those that are stock Valkyrie illiterate I was gonna make a list. Geezz. And like you say, would be a good deal for someone. Don't care for the color but with all the goodies if I would be interested if I was a looking. Oh and add a CB radio to that list. And it looks as though the rims are chromed.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2009, 07:45:20 AM » |
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That's 33.333333333333 cc per cyclinder, only get it by bore or stroke or both??? or 2.034127769 cubic inches per,thats alot???
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2009, 07:58:24 AM » |
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That's 33.333333333333 cc per cyclinder, only get it by bore or stroke or both??? or 2.034127769 cubic inches per,thats alot???
LOL....I just got done punching keys on my calculator to get that same answer. I think the only "enhancement" was to the ad. Im not saying that is a bad bike, but more than 12% displacement increase just isint believable to me either.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2009, 08:23:59 AM » |
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Someone should ask this person "just how" they did that. I don't buy from ebay and do not have the log-in stuff.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2009, 08:24:58 AM » |
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um, mine is 1720cc. but I had it resleeved. not boaring. not possible. thats why i went with resleeving. J&E pistons made me pistons. had to send cylinders to them to mic exact. I stroked mine, custom made connecting rods. carrilo. H-beam. I got more in my motor than he does in that whole IS. I aint braggin, just saying that it IS possible. just gotta see how deep you wallet is....
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2009, 08:31:36 AM » |
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I just spoke with him. had a place in chicago called the zone?? do the head work and new cams. lots of extras. nice man, just hurtin for cash. has an 06 wing too. says the valk keeps up with the 1800 wing with no problems.....
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2009, 11:32:52 AM » |
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ain't no substitution for cubic inches, as they say in race world. At least I now know it can be done---well I learned something, I believe I'll take the rest of the day off!!   ya think we could cram one of these under the tank- 
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2009, 12:28:44 PM » |
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um, mine is 1720cc. but I had it resleeved. not boaring. not possible. thats why i went with resleeving. J&E pistons made me pistons. had to send cylinders to them to mic exact. I stroked mine, custom made connecting rods. carrilo. H-beam. I got more in my motor than he does in that whole IS. I aint braggin, just saying that it IS possible. just gotta see how deep you wallet is....
I have a set of Carrillo rods. They are .100 shorter than stock, we did than to lower the pin on the piston and thicken the top of the piston. I'll probably never use them but there they are. I have a set in my bike now with dished 8:1 pistons. The point I was trying to make is that he couldn't get the 1700cc as easy as boring the stock block. He would have to sleeve it and or stroke it. I doubt he did all that.
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I saw a 7 cylinder radial in a bike frame at Oshkosh a couple of years ago. It looked rather strange and didn't make much noise, but it was rated at 100hp. Don't remember the displacement. It was a new little radial engine aimed at the experimental aircraft building group. I have a picture of it somewhere....JTL
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2009, 01:16:18 PM » |
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Can't comment on enhancements, it would seem the owner has quite a short inseam!  Wow.... yea, very short inseam. Geeze...... didn't notice that first time. And it does seem to have quite a bit of chrome goodies.....
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2009, 02:08:18 PM » |
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You guys are way harsh on the "too much chrome". Here's what I can list from the pix.
Chrome front fender rail Chrome front brake caliper covers Chrome front brake disk covers Chrome radiator grill Chrome fork covers Chrome spark plug valances Chrome engine hanger covers Chrome transmission covers Chrome swing arm pivot covers Chrome bag rails Chrome trunk rails Chrome trunk luggage rack Chrome replacement hand grips Chrome license plate holder Chrome switch case extension on the front brake master cylinder
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Four piece custom seats Pod lights Trailer hitch Cobra pipes Air wings with lowers Fork deflectors Highway pegs
Even if the engine is ruined it could be a good deal for someone. I have a perfectly good engine that I'd value at somewhere around six hundred dollars.
Nice bike.
not to mention that he's got a CB on there also! this bike is loaded, screwed engine or not, i'd buy it!!
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2009, 02:26:05 PM » |
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Help me out here, Lori... how does throwing one's cylinders overboard increase displacement? 
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2009, 02:32:23 PM » |
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You guys are way harsh on the "too much chrome". Here's what I can list from the pix.
Chrome front fender rail Chrome front brake caliper covers Chrome front brake disk covers Chrome radiator grill Chrome fork covers Chrome spark plug valances Chrome engine hanger covers Chrome transmission covers Chrome swing arm pivot covers Chrome bag rails Chrome trunk rails Chrome trunk luggage rack Chrome replacement hand grips Chrome license plate holder Chrome switch case extension on the front brake master cylinder
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Four piece custom seats Pod lights Trailer hitch Cobra pipes Air wings with lowers Fork deflectors Highway pegs
Even if the engine is ruined it could be a good deal for someone. I have a perfectly good engine that I'd value at somewhere around six hundred dollars.
Nice bike.
not to mention that he's got a CB on there also! this bike is loaded, screwed engine or not, i'd buy it!! And a giant cup holder!! 
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Help me out here, Lori... how does throwing one's cylinders overboard increase displacement?  You girlz should probably stay out of this thread. There are a lot of "techincal" terms your female minds probably just can't grasp.  OK? Raymond
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You girlz should probably stay out of this thread. There are a lot of "techincal" terms your female minds probably just can't grasp.  OK? Raymond Girl??? You called me a girl??? Consider the gauntlet thrown... it's on now! 
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You girlz should probably stay out of this thread. There are a lot of "techincal" terms your female minds probably just can't grasp.  OK? Raymond Girl??? You called me a girl??? Consider the gauntlet thrown... it's on now!  I wonder what he wants on his "Tombstone"?....as in pizza. 
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Help me out here, Lori... how does throwing one's cylinders overboard increase displacement?  You girlz should probably stay out of this thread. There are a lot of "techincal" terms your female minds probably just can't grasp.  OK? Raymond Excuse me, sir! Since when is overboard a technical term, unless you are referring to the exact dimensions of the bow or the stern, or whether it went overboard on the port or "starbored" side?
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2009, 03:59:40 PM » |
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You girlz should probably stay out of this thread. There are a lot of "techincal" terms your female minds probably just can't grasp.  OK? Raymond Girl??? You called me a girl??? Consider the gauntlet thrown... it's on now!  Pretty big talk there girlie.  Raymond
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Help me out here, Lori... how does throwing one's cylinders overboard increase displacement?  You girlz should probably stay out of this thread. There are a lot of "techincal" terms your female minds probably just can't grasp.  OK? Raymond Excuse me, sir! Since when is overboard a technical term, unless you are referring to the exact dimensions of the bow or the stern, or whether it went overboard on the port or "starbored" side? Well Lori, perhaps they needed the technical part to throw the motor overboard. Being that the motor is rather heavy, the easiest way to get it off the boat would be to gun the boat, so that the forward thrust would throw the motor from the stern. Now, the boat may not have the power to accomplish this, so (this is the technical part) he may need to increase the boat's power. One way to add to the boat's power would be to increase the engine displacement. He can accomplish this by boring out the motor or by stroking the crankshaft. The formula for measuring displacement is ( pi/4 × bore 2) × stroke × cylinders. ( pi/4 × bore 2) is the area of the cylinder. The stroke (length of the cylinder) is the distance the piston travels from TDC to BDC. Ergo (I love saying ergo), increasing displacement is simply a matter of increasing the area, length, or number of cylinders. The easiest of these is to increase the area is by boring out the cylinders. However, boring is restricted by cylinder wall thickness, as well as spacing between cylinders. Increasing the cylinder length by stroking the crankshaft is more complicated, as it requires offset machining of the big-end journals on the crankshaft and perhaps the conrods. Stroking is restricted by the clearance between the rotational diameter of the crankshaft and the engine block. Hope that wasn't tooooo technical for your female mind. Oh, and I'm sure we can guess what Raymond grasps best! 
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« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2009, 05:22:54 PM » |
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« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2009, 05:55:34 PM » |
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Well Lori, perhaps they needed the technical part to throw the motor overboard. Being that the motor is rather heavy, the easiest way to get it off the boat would be to gun the boat, so that the forward thrust would throw the motor from the stern. Now, the boat may not have the power to accomplish this, so (this is the technical part) he may need to increase the boat's power. One way to add the boat's power would be to increase the engine displacement. He can accomplish this by boring out the motor or by stroking the crankshaft. The formula for measuring displacement is ( pi/4 × bore 2) × stroke × cylinders. ( pi/4 × bore 2) is the area of the cylinder. The stroke (length of the cylinder) is the distance the piston travels from TDC to BDC. Ergo (I love saying ergo), increasing displacement is simply a matter of increasing the area, length, or number of cylinders. The easiest of these is to increase the area is by boring out the cylinders. However, boring is restricted by cylinder wall thickness, as well as spacing between cylinders. Increasing the cylinder length by stroking the crankshaft is more complicated, as it requires offset machining of the big-end journals on the crankshaft and perhaps the conrods. Stroking is restricted by the clearance between the rotational diameter of the crankshaft and the engine block. Hope that wasn't tooooo technical for your female mind. Oh, and I'm sure we can guess what Raymond grasps best!   Way to go Connie!!!!
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« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2009, 06:17:46 PM » |
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How does changing the connecting rods, change the stroke? Stroke is based on the offset of the crankkshaft. I understand shortening the rods to lower the compression, since the piston won't come back up to the top of the deck.
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Help me out here, Lori... how does throwing one's cylinders overboard increase displacement?  You girlz should probably stay out of this thread. There are a lot of "techincal" terms your female minds probably just can't grasp.  OK? Raymond Excuse me, sir! Since when is overboard a technical term, unless you are referring to the exact dimensions of the bow or the stern, or whether it went overboard on the port or "starbored" side? Well Lori, perhaps they needed the technical part to throw the motor overboard. Being that the motor is rather heavy, the easiest way to get it off the boat would be to gun the boat, so that the forward thrust would throw the motor from the stern. Now, the boat may not have the power to accomplish this, so (this is the technical part) he may need to increase the boat's power. One way to add to the boat's power would be to increase the engine displacement. He can accomplish this by boring out the motor or by stroking the crankshaft. The formula for measuring displacement is ( pi/4 × bore 2) × stroke × cylinders. ( pi/4 × bore 2) is the area of the cylinder. The stroke (length of the cylinder) is the distance the piston travels from TDC to BDC. Ergo (I love saying ergo), increasing displacement is simply a matter of increasing the area, length, or number of cylinders. The easiest of these is to increase the area is by boring out the cylinders. However, boring is restricted by cylinder wall thickness, as well as spacing between cylinders. Increasing the cylinder length by stroking the crankshaft is more complicated, as it requires offset machining of the big-end journals on the crankshaft and perhaps the conrods. Stroking is restricted by the clearance between the rotational diameter of the crankshaft and the engine block. Hope that wasn't tooooo technical for your female mind. Oh, and I'm sure we can guess what Raymond grasps best!  Look at ergo, I love it when she talks about stroking crankshafts and rotational diameters. Raymond
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Well Lori, perhaps they needed the technical part to throw the motor overboard. Being that the motor is rather heavy, the easiest way to get it off the boat would be to gun the boat, so that the forward thrust would throw the motor from the stern. Now, the boat may not have the power to accomplish this, so (this is the technical part) he may need to increase the boat's power. One way to add to the boat's power would be to increase the engine displacement. He can accomplish this by boring out the motor or by stroking the crankshaft. The formula for measuring displacement is ( pi/4 × bore 2) × stroke × cylinders. ( pi/4 × bore 2) is the area of the cylinder. The stroke (length of the cylinder) is the distance the piston travels from TDC to BDC. Ergo (I love saying ergo), increasing displacement is simply a matter of increasing the area, length, or number of cylinders. The easiest of these is to increase the area is by boring out the cylinders. However, boring is restricted by cylinder wall thickness, as well as spacing between cylinders. Increasing the cylinder length by stroking the crankshaft is more complicated, as it requires offset machining of the big-end journals on the crankshaft and perhaps the conrods. Stroking is restricted by the clearance between the rotational diameter of the crankshaft and the engine block. Hope that wasn't tooooo technical for your female mind. Oh, and I'm sure we can guess what Raymond grasps best!  Uh...yeah...I understood every word you said!  But, I still want to know... Why did he throw the cylinders off the boat?? 
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Well Lori, perhaps they needed the technical part to throw the motor overboard. Being that the motor is rather heavy, the easiest way to get it off the boat would be to gun the boat, so that the forward thrust would throw the motor from the stern. Now, the boat may not have the power to accomplish this, so (this is the technical part) he may need to increase the boat's power. One way to add to the boat's power would be to increase the engine displacement. He can accomplish this by boring out the motor or by stroking the crankshaft. The formula for measuring displacement is ( pi/4 × bore 2) × stroke × cylinders. ( pi/4 × bore 2) is the area of the cylinder. The stroke (length of the cylinder) is the distance the piston travels from TDC to BDC. Ergo (I love saying ergo), increasing displacement is simply a matter of increasing the area, length, or number of cylinders. The easiest of these is to increase the area is by boring out the cylinders. However, boring is restricted by cylinder wall thickness, as well as spacing between cylinders. Increasing the cylinder length by stroking the crankshaft is more complicated, as it requires offset machining of the big-end journals on the crankshaft and perhaps the conrods. Stroking is restricted by the clearance between the rotational diameter of the crankshaft and the engine block. Hope that wasn't tooooo technical for your female mind. Oh, and I'm sure we can guess what Raymond grasps best!  Uh...yeah...I understood every word you said!  But, I still want to know... Why did he throw the cylinders off the boat??  Actually, I believe that throwing the cylinders off the boat would decrease the weight of the boat thus "decreasing" the displacement of water by the boat. 
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Help me out here, Lori... how does throwing one's cylinders overboard increase displacement?  You girlz should probably stay out of this thread. There are a lot of "techincal" terms your female minds probably just can't grasp.  OK? Raymond Excuse me, sir! Since when is overboard a technical term, unless you are referring to the exact dimensions of the bow or the stern, or whether it went overboard on the port or "starbored" side? Well Lori, perhaps they needed the technical part to throw the motor overboard. Being that the motor is rather heavy, the easiest way to get it off the boat would be to gun the boat, so that the forward thrust would throw the motor from the stern. Now, the boat may not have the power to accomplish this, so (this is the technical part) he may need to increase the boat's power. One way to add to the boat's power would be to increase the engine displacement. He can accomplish this by boring out the motor or by stroking the crankshaft. The formula for measuring displacement is ( pi/4 × bore 2) × stroke × cylinders. ( pi/4 × bore 2) is the area of the cylinder. The stroke (length of the cylinder) is the distance the piston travels from TDC to BDC. Ergo (I love saying ergo), increasing displacement is simply a matter of increasing the area, length, or number of cylinders. The easiest of these is to increase the area is by boring out the cylinders. However, boring is restricted by cylinder wall thickness, as well as spacing between cylinders. Increasing the cylinder length by stroking the crankshaft is more complicated, as it requires offset machining of the big-end journals on the crankshaft and perhaps the conrods. Stroking is restricted by the clearance between the rotational diameter of the crankshaft and the engine block. Hope that wasn't tooooo technical for your female mind. Oh, and I'm sure we can guess what Raymond grasps best! 
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