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« on: November 10, 2009, 09:48:43 PM » |
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Will a '97 Standard rear rim work on a '99 I/S and vice versa?
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 10:14:19 PM » |
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Wondering myself
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Wheel BEarings are diff on 97 I recall reading but if for example you bought the whole wheel
with bearings in it I think will slide right on.
May need Rear Axle Shaft from a 97 though.
Someone will chime in and confirm i'm sure
Sorry I could not help more.
I too was wondering cause was going ot buy a used wheel for a spare, I done this with my Goldwing as well.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 10:24:18 PM » |
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Just what are you doing with my bike?!?!?! In regards to the bearing size difference, it is the front wheel bearings that are different on the 1997's. I think you are ok swapping rear wheels, but let someone else who knows for sure back me up.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 10:35:10 PM » |
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Yes, the rear rims are interchangeable but to keep everything compatible, use the brake disc and bolts off the original rim to prevent interference problems. There was a thread about a month ago on this but about the time Honda introduced the I/S, they changed the design of the rear rotor. If you use the '97 rotor with the I/S, there will be interference between it and the I/S's rear caliper and mount. And vice versa.
As far as the '97s wheel bearings being different, that is only on the front wheel. Honda used 6004 series bearings on the '97 front wheel and 6204 bearings on the '98-'03 wheels. As there has been no reported increase in front wheel bearing failures in the '97s vs. the other years, I believe the bearing change was a cost cutting measure by Honda. The 6204 bearing is also the left side rear wheel bearing. By changing the front to match the rear left, Honda was able to purchase more of the 6204 bearings and probably get a reduced price per unit.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2009, 05:07:10 AM » |
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I think all they did to the rotor on the IS was beef it up but both will work I have a Standard Rotor on my IS but had to shim it 8mm and it worked perfectly !!!
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2009, 06:26:22 AM » |
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The rotor is NOT Standard/Tourer or Interstate specific. It IS year specific. To keep having to shim the rotor, just match the rotor to the year of the Valk.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2009, 07:39:00 AM » |
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Just what are you doing with my bike?!?!?! In regards to the bearing size difference, it is the front wheel bearings that are different on the 1997's. I think you are ok swapping rear wheels, but let someone else who knows for sure back me up.
Just considering getting another rim so I can put a C/T on it and keep a M/T on the other...still not sure I want to go the C/T route yet, although it is tempting....  Dave |
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2009, 10:26:58 AM » |
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The rotor is NOT Standard/Tourer or Interstate specific. It IS year specific. To keep having to shim the rotor, just match the rotor to the year of the Valk.
I thought it was necessary to match the year of the rotor with the wheel??? ??? |
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2009, 10:30:06 AM » |
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Bama, that's how I ended up investigating the rotors. I have a 2nd rear wheel that I put a car tire on and wanted to make sure BEFORE I installed it whether or not I was going to have to shim the rotor.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 10:33:45 AM » |
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2009, 10:48:02 AM » |
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I bought a spare for the CT backup as well. It is nice to have, but will not go back to a MT after this. Not sure I'll ever need another rear tire at this rate, and I ride it every day! ;-)
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2009, 10:54:02 AM » |
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As I went Darkside weekend before last, I still haven't removed the m/t from my original rim but I doubt very seriously I will ever go back to a m/t on Sandman. I originally bought spare wheels to sent to Hard 6 for chroming but it didn't happen. At least not yet.  Then again, I'm trying to find a powder coater that does reflective chrome. Nothing like a wash and wax surface.  Marty |
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2009, 12:59:59 PM » |
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I also went thru this on my IS with the Wizards help and the ROTOR is different between the IS and the Standard and Tourer. The IS is a well lets say a flat piece of metal persay and the Standard and tourer have a lighter rotor the braking surface it's self is the same width I am pretty sure but the mounting surface is thinner on the Standards and Tourers thus the 8mm washer to make up the difference...
And for what it is worth I do not know WHAT year the rotor is !!! And I used the bolts off my bike and they are not recessed and it works. Not that I use the rear brake that much anyway..
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2009, 02:02:53 PM » |
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97 wheel needs the 97 rotor and will fit any year valk, just like the newer wheel needs the newer rotor and will fit all valks. Use one on the other and shimming is needed for the Caliper or rotor. PS the honda ST1100 rotor is the same as the 97 Valk rotor. PN 43251 MT8-000 on most parts list OEM parts list.
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2009, 02:09:44 PM » |
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Old wheel will have a 1J in front of the wheel size, Rotor # is 2311,, newer or 99 up is a 2J in front and rotor is 9A11 |
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2009, 02:21:45 PM » |
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I also went thru this on my IS with the Wizards help and the ROTOR is different between the IS and the Standard and Tourer. According to the parts fiche:
Standard 1997 - 1999 Rear Brake Rotor is 43251-MT8-000
Standard 2000 - 2003 Rear Brake Rotor is 43251-MBY-671
Tourer 1997 - 1999 Rear Brake Rotor is 43251-MT8-000
Tourer 2000 Rear Brake Rotor is 43251-MBY-671
Interstate 1999 - 2001 Rear Brake Rotor is 43251-MBY-671 |
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2009, 02:44:02 PM » |
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97 wheel needs the 97 rotor and will fit any year valk, just like the newer wheel needs the newer rotor and will fit all valks. Use one on the other and shimming is needed for the Caliper or rotor. PS the honda ST1300 rotor is the same as the 97 Valk rotor.
That's what I said...or at least meant. But X-Ring doesn't agree...so now I don't know. |
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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2009, 02:52:30 PM » |
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I have a 2000 Standard and an extra 1999 Interstate rear wheel (complete swing arm, rotor & hard bags). The tires are interchangeable and no prob with the rotor/brake.
Marty, I am also looking for a coating specialist so when you find that one who does reflective chrome, be sure to drop a note this way. I'll send mine as well.
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2009, 05:00:01 PM » |
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I guess no one read the thread I posted or they would have realized I didn't know what year my spare wheel was. With that in mind, I went looking and asking for help. What I was told was it didn't matter what year the wheel was as long as I used the '97 style rotor. If I used the 2000-03 rotor, I was going to have to shim it. I surmise the opposite is true, if you use a 97-99 wheel on a 2000 or later, you will have to use a 2000-2003 rotor. I have no idea what will happen if you use a 97-99 rotor on a 2000 or later. If you use the 2000 or later rotor on a 97-99, you will have to shim the rotor so it doesn't interfere with the caliper and mount.
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2009, 05:16:29 PM » |
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Sure makes me want to check a few Valks out when I get the chance LOL. I did read your thread like you I knew my IS is a 99 but did not know what year the rotor was ... All is good my rotor is no longer cracked and I got rid of a couple ounces of unsprung weight  |
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2009, 05:49:18 PM » |
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Thanks to Daytona, I realized my spare wheel was the old style and I wouldn't have a problem. It would be nice to have a resource to check cause I didn't want to be in the middle of my wheel/tire swap and have to clean up so I could run to the 2 parts stores open in my town on weekends and get washers to shim the rotor.
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2009, 06:05:10 PM » |
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My Thanks go out to Lyn Del and Wizard. I like you had to find some washers but Wizard had that covered too they worked like a charm !!!
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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2009, 05:01:26 AM » |
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2009, 05:52:04 AM » |
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Makes me wonder if the difference between the two style rotors is cost. It would cost less to machine the new style rotor than the old one.
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