DFW Wrench Party - 5 Dec 2009 - Petcock, Air Filter, Vacuum Line rebuild/replace

[Disco]

It's time to work out the final details for our next Wrench Party, and judging by recent posts here and on the Tech Board I believe many of us will benefit from a petcock rebuild and vacuum line replacement.  While we're in there, we may as well R&R our OEM air filter elements or service our K&N filters.  Another consideration would be to install an inline fuel filter and a quick-disconnect to our fuel lines.  This would also be a good time for anyone planning on going Pingel. 

Here is a list of OEM parts (taken from the 2000 GL1500C - they should be the same for all Valkyries).

Petcock rebuild supplies from the Fuel Tank fiche
Reference #4, Screen Set, 16952-MZ0-003 - Some have gotten away without replacing these.  However, if we open one up, find that we need one and don't have one, we're fubared.
Reference #5, Cover Set, rooster, 16953-MBZ-B51 - We're all adults, right? 

From the Air Cleaner fiche
Reference #2, Air Cleaner, 17210-MZ0-000 

Re Vacuum Line, this should be available for individual purchase at the dealership, we can buy in bulk if we know about how many bikes will be serviced (3.5' - 4' required per bike) OR we can all show up with the same stuff by purchasing the various kits we want to install from fellow Valkyrie enthusiast, Red Eye Technical Services at http://sites.google.com/site/valkparts/.  I have an email contact working to make sure an order would contain everything we'd need.

Re Quick-Disconnects, Red Eye has a popular quick-disconnect (and an inline fuel filter kit) and Jeff K uses product from http://www.jiffy-tite.com/motorsports.cfm?sublevel=399&subpage=397.  I emailed him for specs, but his bike is blown and has EFI, so his application is significantly different.  I have an email contact working with Jiffy-Tite to see if they can specify the needed parts.

I'll post order details as soon as I receive them.  We should have plenty of time to get everything if we don't dawdle.   

Time: 9:00ish 'til ?
Location: TBD - Volunteer Hosts?  Central Location to be convenient to as many as possible?  Indoors?
Special instructions:  1) Please don't show up with a full fuel tank.  If you're on reserve or really close, it will be much easier.  2) Please bring a big, thick, cotton towel to place your tank on while it's off your bike.

[Six Guns]

Dave, will we have the carb sync tool back in the D/FW area or is it still down in Houston?       

[Disco]

We can have one here.  We just need someone who knows how to use it.  I was busy doing other things at JC's and didn't get to watch.

[Flyboy]

Rose has my carb sync tool. So if someone can get it from her. I have other obligations that entire weekend, but I can walk someone thru the process on the phone if needed.

[Ghillie]

You know my place is always available.

[Houdini]

Cover Set, rooster, 16953-MBZ-B51

Is that the housing for the diaphragm?  Charles said I need to replace my diaphragm; it's cracked and leaking. 

We're all adults, right?

[Disco]

Yes Chuck.  You need the cover set to rebuild the petcock itself.  Your screen might not need replacing, but at the age of all our bikes, the screen set @ approximately $16.00 is cheap.  And, it includes the o-ring that seals the petcock to the tank.

[BnB Tom]

Lotsa things to consider when deciding to rebuild petcock.  The main tech board has some very interesting options:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,10593.0.html

     Whatcha think?

[Disco]

Thanks, Tom.  You're right, there are lots of options.  Thankfully, there are many who've paved the road for us and can offer their suggestions/recommendations based on experience. 

I spent quite a bit of time searching the Tech Board and reading threads on petcocks and quick-disconnects.  Pending the reply emails from Red Eye (will his quick-disconnect fit transversely to accommodate my auxiliary power plug mounted to the hanger that also holds the fuel shutoff selector) and Jiffy-Tite (regarding specified parts and price$), my plan is to rebuild the stock petcock, replace the screen and o-ring, replace the fuel line and include both an inline filter and quick-disconnect, replace all vacuum lines, and Tee the vacuum lines like The JET does.  His write-up makes lots of sense to me. 

[Valkpilot]

Thanks, Tom.  You're right, there are lots of options.  Thankfully, there are many who've paved the road for us and can offer their suggestions/recommendations based on experience. 

I spent quite a bit of time searching the Tech Board and reading threads on petcocks and quick-disconnects.  Pending the reply emails from Red Eye (will his quick-disconnect fit transversely to accommodate my auxiliary power plug mounted to the hanger that also holds the fuel shutoff selector) and Jiffy-Tite (regarding specified parts and price$), my plan is to rebuild the stock petcock, replace the screen and o-ring, replace the fuel line and include both an inline filter and quick-disconnect, replace all vacuum lines, and Tee the vacuum lines like The JET does.  His write-up makes lots of sense to me. 

You might reconsider connecting all the vac lines together.  I've never known Stlpony (Kirk) to be wrong: http://forums.delphiforums.com/valkyrie/messages?msg=13902.35

[motorose]

i plan on being at the party. i will bring flyboy's carb tools and i know how to use them. so i can help there.

i have 2 petcocks that could use to be rebuilt , 2 air filters, 2 oil changes. geez, this 2 valk thing can be highly entertaining

[Ghillie]

If I am hosting, somebody let me know. I got some cleaning up to do and I am gonna set up the fry pot and fry us a bunch of Cajun Fried Chickens and homeade tater chips.

[BnB Tom]

@&;!grrr.    I'm working this Saturday.
Take lotsa notes .. PLEASE!

[Disco]

I am gonna set up the fry pot and fry us a bunch of Cajun Fried Chickens and homeade tater chips

It used to be ride-to-eat / eat-to-ride, but Forrecco, Lyn-Del & Wizard, and now Ghillie have added wrench-to-eat / eat-to-wrench!  Very cool and above & beyond.      Let's get a bike / mouth count going.

We'll have our Wrench Party at Ghillie's this Saturday 5 December from 9:30ish 'til ?  The address is 218 Garvon, Garland, TX 75040.  Map

If you haven't already lined up your necessary parts, there's still time - but not much.  Red-Eye can get stuff here by Friday if we order tomorrow and Jiffy-Tite (sold through their(out of stock) dealer, Racer Parts Wholesale, 411 Dorman, Indianapolis, IN 46202, Phone: (800)397-7815, Fax: (317)639-0722) will drop ship from the factory in Buffalo, NY. 

Summary of my email exchanges with Red Eye

Q. If I want to replace all the vacuum lines on my 2000 Standard, which kits do I need to order?
A. The stock Valk will take an OEM Petcock vac line, a Pair Valve vac line, and a set of three vac caps.

Q. Does your frankenfilter kit replace all of the oem fuel like from petcock to carburetors?
A. Yes, Frankenfilter replaces all the stock fuel line and the tee fitting.

Q. I have an auxiliary power plug mounted to the same hanger the fuel selector switch is mounted to.  It is just below and to the rear of the dial/selector.  Will your quick-disconnect mount transversely or does it have to go front-to-rear?
A. The quick disconnect only goes in loop-up or loop down.  Loop-up has the least intrusion into the area below the petcock, but it may have problems clearing an air bubble if you get one.  When you install it loop-down, you get to pick an angle within about 10 degrees of straight down. So, if something juts in from the left motor mount, you might still be able to clear it.  Horizontal mounting of the fuel loop is just plain impossible.

Q. Re the QC, what is the purpose of the loop?  Does it provide slack to work with, or is there another purpose?
A. LOOP: The forward distance between the petcock nipple and the end of the fuel hose is zero, and into that distance we want to put a two inch long disconnect fitting. So, a loop is required to get behind the fitting, which we put behind the oem fuel hose.  This allows an inline fuel filter to be placed somewhere on the OEM fuel hose, without any effect on the connect/disconnect procedure.  It is OK for the fuel filter to be put into this inaccessible place -- It is going to be left alone for several years, and it is accessible from above, with the tank off, when it is time.

   NO LOOP: Some people have put a disconnect fitting directly in front of the petcock nipple, but then the disconnect is hidden in the deep dark area by the spark coils.  It is really hard to connect and disconnect in there, as only one hand will fit and there isn't any slack in the fuel line.  You have to lift the back end of the tank to get the slack, and then guide the disconnect as you lower the tank down.  Red Eye thinks this is an inadmissible connect/disconnect procedure.  Also, there is no room for an inline fuel filter in addition to the disconnect fitting.  You can have one or the other, but not both.  Red Eye thinks this is an unacceptable compromise.

For those considering installing their own inline fuel filter and/or a Jiffy-Tite fuel line quick-disconnect

After much consultation (Tech Board, phone calls to extensive Valkyrie knowledge and dealership service dept, specs for commonly-used inline fuel filters, and visual inspection comparing a piece of 3/8th to oem), I'm calling the fuel line 5/16ths. 

The inline fuel filter will be a Purolator F10024, or equivalent. 

The Jiffy-Tite straight, hose barbed, plug & socket (operates like an air chuck) quick-disconnect will be comprised of (1) 21505 and (1) 22505 (please confirm these numbers when you order).  These come standard in gold and black and ARE valved on both ends (won't leak when disconnected).  A 90-degree setup will have suffix E.  A 45-degree setup will have suffix D.  An all-black setup will have suffix J.  Non-valved is also available on request, but that doesn't suit our application.  These aren't cheap - about $40.00 + shipping if I took notes correctly - but will last as long as our Valkyries. 

I know there is not a lot of room under the tank, but don't know if a 90- or 45-degree setup would make things easier.  Input?

And don't forget the bike / mouth count.      I'll be one bike & one mouth.

[Ghillie]

I can do low heat or no heat injection on chickens for those who don't want Cajun Hellfire Hot Lips. Get your votes in.

[motorose]

i am 1 mouth and possibly 2 bikes. (there is a small chance i could be 2 mouths)

i vote for warm cajun i'm not into burning my mouth with a bunch of spice

[Houdini]

One mouth and one bike

I like it hot but will settle for none or mild.

[Disco]

I vote warm. 

[godfire]

I vote for hot to warm......

Hope that helps....

[Six Guns]

I was told that I have to work this Saturday, so I guess I will have to miss this one. Maybe next month......

[TXFireman07b]

I am new to this site and still learning about my Dragon. I have plans for this weekend so I cant make the wrench party but I am going to try and drill out my pipes tomorrow or sat, weather permitting and mechanical ability cooperating. I am going to try and trailer her down to Galveston this next week and ride her around the beach for a bit... I hope the weather cooperates down there. Look forward to meeting some of you the next opportunity I get.. Maybe at the Toy Run? Keep the rubber side down. If any of you have any tips on the pipes it would be greatly appreciated.. I am tired of hearing my overpowered sewing machine..

[Six Guns]

I wouldn't drill out my stock pipes if I were you. Once drilled and you don't like the sound, you've ruined the pipes. Try some Cobra 6X6 drag pipes and keep your stockers if you ever get tired of the Cobra's. The Cobra's have a good sound and if you really want loud you can pull the baffles on the Cobra's and you will lose your hearing. LOL.  Welcome to the best club around. Check You Tube for a video of a Valkyrie with Cobra 6X6 drag pipes so you can hear how they sound.

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[Disco]

Welcome, Fireman!

Six Guns beat me to it.  Before you "molest" your stock pipes, find some Cobras to try.  If you like the sound(s), you'll get more $$ for unmolested stock pipes than you will for ones with cut piggies / drilled baffles / etc. 

My Valkyrie had the Two Brothers 6x6 pipes on it when I bought it.  They are really loud, and it was fun for a while, but I'm now running stock.  What a relief to my ears, my neighbors, and everyone riding behind me...

Looking forward to meeting and riding with you soon,

DFG

[Disco]

After a brief flirtation few days ago with snow in the forecast, it now looks like everything will be dry.  Cold, but dry.  Is everyone still in?  So far, the mouth count is 5 or 6.

[Disco]

Cold, as in 25 or so depending on which forecast you believe.  So...?   

[Wanderer]

I would share Victor and David's opinions on keeping stock pipes stock for another reason. Other than the increase in noise - worse if you wear a full face helmet - you do get an awful backwash in a full face helmet - you will loose about 8 horse power in power. Not a big deal lose on a 1520cc power plant until you go back to stock and then it is as though you have got a totally different, quicker bike between your legs.

You might consider trading your stockers for some that are already drilled or the Cobras or Two Bros? Welcome to the insanity. ~Jeff

[RainMaker]

Hope nobody freezes on the way.  Me, I'm not taking any chances.

And if I'm not there, no rain/snow. 

It's all good.

RM

[Wanderer]

Too bad we don't have "smell-o-vision"! You missed the mighty good smells of Chris' good home cooking. Watching this group picking on perfectly good, well behaved Valkyries was some of the rest of the fun. Anybody work up a sweat? Nice cool day for a ride! ~Jeff

[Baron]

Wish I could have made it but I had plans already.  I was at the Lewisville Toy Run today and I saw a few Valks there including 1 trike.  I hope you all had a great time.

[Disco]

Thank you, Ghillie, for hosting and feeding us so well.  And thanks go out to Ghillie, godfire, motorose, and Wanderer for helping with my chores.  The Rumblebee ran soooo much better on the way home than it did on the way down.

[TXFireman07b]

I wish I could have made it... Sounds like alot of fun. I am getting ready for my trip down to Galveston this week so I am soooo looking to cruise around on the coast where it is suppose to be 60 to 70 degree weather.. Hope you all have a safe week and talk with you when I return..
Steve

[motorose]

thanks ghillie for the hosting, those chickens were awesome. thanks to the guys for the tips that i picked up. i will be tackling this adventure soon.

[HayHauler]

TXfireman post on the board when you will be on Galveston. BJ and I might ride down for lunch With you on the weekend.  We know some pretty good out of the way places to eat down there. We ride down to Galveston about once a month, just cruising around.

Hay
Jimmyt

[Disco]

Hey Fireman,

Ghillie said he'd swap you his Mark T's for your stock pipes.  You can read more about the Mark Ts here.

Have a safe trip,

DFG

[RainMaker]

Also check out Hollywood and Redneck, members here.   They build custom pipes that are nasty loud.  

Still says you are from Granbruy on your profile.  Is that near Granbury?

[TXFireman07b]

I think I fixed it now.. I had a great time in Galveston. I trailered the bike down because I wasnt sure how the weather was going to be and I was hoping to get some fishing in while I was there but didnt get to because it was cool. I had a great time. I went to Crows for a birthday party.. I got talked into dressing as Santa for the party.. What a wild time that was.. LOl Was nice to get alot of nice looks and waves from the kiddos.. nothing like Santa on a Dragon to get lots of attention.. Sorry I didnt get the invite for lunch while I was down there, It would have been nice to meet you... I did enjoy the Spot while I was there. Maybe next time.. Have a great Christmas... if anyone is interested, they are having a big party at cuttin loose in burleson on saturday. I will be riding in the Toy Run on Sunday I hope.. Probably in my santa suit.. Looking forward to a great ride..
Steve

[HayHauler]

Next time TXFireman just give us a  PM and we will meet up with ya.  Lookin forward to next time.


Hay 
Jimmyt