Trump must really fear Biden...

[Savago]

... to ask Ukraine's just elected president to dig dirt on Biden.

I personally think Trump could beat Biden during a debate pretty easily, let's face it, Biden is a tad slow.

For the readout (again, written and provided by Trump's staff, take it with a grain of salt): https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/official-readout-president-trump-s-july-25-phone-call-with-ukraine-s-volodymyr-zelensky

My take on this: it is a pretty sad day to the USA when the President is actively asking a foreign country to meddle in our elections.
 

And to add injure to the insult, using tax payer's money as a bribe to corrupt the president of Ukraine.

What you guys think about this subject?

[Oss]

it is always appropriate for the President to inquire of ANY foreign person if there is something he should know. Obama could not even enforce his line in the sand.  And do not forget he promised once he won again he could do what he wanted to the Russians.

What is wrong is the sneaky snarky scummy stuff the DNC did to Bernie or the
underhanded stuff Obama has done since leaving office. Or his bringing all those Moslem immigrants into the congressional district that gave us Omar, or setting up the camps in the first place for illegal invaders.

Remember no prior potus did what he did let alone triple the debt or lose as many jobs for his country

The Democratic party will do anything to keep the light from shining on their own fetid crap

Biden is a fool, an old corrupt fool

How about an investigation into how people making 170k a year retire as millionaires and how Obama can afford a 17 or more million dollar mansion while talking about income equality, same with Warran and Pelosi and Clintons

[Serk]

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.  "

I have no problem with that whatsoever.

*Shrug*

[Chrisj CMA]

... to ask Ukraine's just elected president to dig dirt on Biden.

I personally think Trump could beat Biden during a debate pretty easily, let's face it, Biden is a tad slow.

For the readout (again, written and provided by Trump's staff, take it with a grain of salt): https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/official-readout-president-trump-s-july-25-phone-call-with-ukraine-s-volodymyr-zelensky

My take on this: it is a pretty sad day to the USA when the President is actively asking a foreign country to meddle in our elections.
 

And to add injure to the insult, using tax payer's money as a bribe to corrupt the president of Ukraine.

What you guys think about this subject?

You asked what we think. I think you are listening to and believing your left wing fake news again. I read the entire transcript and what you say happened didn’t. But it’s what the democrats and the fake lame stream media wants us to believe.

Start thinking for yourself instead of posting crap and then pretending it’s true.

[Moonshot_1]

The President is seeking investigations into corrupt politicians. Biden is on camera telling the world he held back a billion dollar aid package to the Ukraine until a prosecutor was fired. Fired for investigating a Ukrainian company Biden's son was on the Board of Directors of.

Your take is that any President, Constitutionally charged with executing the law of this country, should be prohibited in investigating corrupt politicians because they may be a political rival?

So for me to get away with bank robbery I only need to run for public office and cry "election meddling" when any attempt to investigate my crime is attempted?


Make sense......to no one.

[Jess from VA]

Oh look.... we found another rock to look under.

Wowwy wow, there's a bug under this one.

[Willow]

Some liberals' alleged thinking is interesting.

When the democrat party politicians were desperately investing collusion that didn't exist between Donald Trump and Russians no one raised an eyebrow.  When Joe Biden and family are being investigated for illegal activity with Ukrainians someone comes up with, "Trump must really fear ..." .  Wrong is wrong.  Scum is scum.  Wouldn't it be an odd environment if fear was our only motivation for investigating crime?

I didn't vote in the poll.  It assumes something that is simply not true.  

[Big Rig]

Me?? I know people that no poppa Joe's kid...he is a ron a MO ron...

I think the DNC is looking at potential candidates for 2020 and think this is the only way they think they can win...

DC is DC...sh1t show all day everyday...nobody is clean down there...

[Wizzard]

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.  "

I have no problem with that whatsoever.

*Shrug*

Me either. 

[Chrisj CMA]

I didn’t vote either. Sorta like asking if you have stopped beating your wife.  Yes or No

[The emperor has no clothes]

Savago, I’m sure you are familiar with Trump’s statement about shooting someone on 5th Ave ? He’s not been right about much, but he was dead on with that. It applies here HUGELY.

[Savago]

Savago, I’m sure you are familiar with Trump’s statement about shooting someone on 5th Ave ? He’s not been right about much, but he was dead on with that. It applies here HUGELY.

Damn... I'm afraid you are right.
 

[Wizzard]

So let me see
Hunter Biden makes 50k a month working for a Ukranian company
A Ukranian prosecutor investigates the company
Then Hunters dad the Vice President holds up a lot of money in aid
until the prosecutor is fired.
But somehow it's Trump's fault.  ??? ???

[The emperor has no clothes]

So let me see
Hunter Biden makes 50k a month working for a Ukranian company
A Ukranian prosecutor investigates the company
Then Hunters dad the Vice President holds up a lot of money in aid
until the prosecutor is fired.
But somehow it's Trump's fault.  ??? ???

Incorrect chronology Randy.

[Willow]

Savago, I’m sure you are familiar with Trump’s statement about shooting someone on 5th Ave ? He’s not been right about much, but he was dead on with that. It applies here HUGELY.

Damn... I'm afraid you are right.
 

No, but when it is your hatred father than your intellect that drives you you will tend to make rather stupid assumptions.  That was true when Barrack Obama was President and it's true when Donald Trump is President.

[Wizzard]

So let me see
Hunter Biden makes 50k a month working for a Ukranian company
A Ukranian prosecutor investigates the company
Then Hunters dad the Vice President holds up a lot of money in aid
until the prosecutor is fired.
But somehow it's Trump's fault.  ??? ???

Incorrect chronology Randy.

so how is it?

[f6john]

I hope someday before my time is up someone will be able to explain the hatred for Trump that prompts this type of poll and point of view. Is Trump above the law? No. Are the Biden’s above the law? Maybe, no one wants the President or anyone else asking questions or opening investigations. Is Hilliary above the law? No, but enough people have died surrounding them that no is looking in any closets.

My poll would be are the people steering the Democrats batshit crazy?

[..]

Asking dumb questions reveals the real person.

[Rams]

Does President Trump fear VP Biden, I seriously doubt it but, President Trump is smart enough to put doubt in the minds of potential Biden voters well ahead of the election.   Just like the Dems are trying to do with President Trump.  Throw enough crap on the wall and while some may stick, the viewer will see what they want to see.  Biden is the most likely candidate to challenge him.  

Reference the poll, kind of a silly question.   Obviously, other Presidents have done things that were in much darker grey areas and were never challenged.   The hate toward President Trump by the Left is by far exceeding anything I have ever seen.  

Anyone remember when President Obama was caught on a "hot Mic" saying that he could be "more flexible" with the Russians after the election.   The Left had no problem then.

Rams

[Gavin_Sons]

Another " throw crap at the wall and see what sticks" scheme. And some people believe what their fake news outlets tell them. Unbelievable, I'm almost embarrassed for you.

[Pete]

No one is scared of Biden, anywhere, anyhow and there is not reason to be.

[Pete]

My poll would be are the people steering the Democrats batshit crazy?

Sure looks like it.

[3W-lonerider]

could'nt have said this better if i would've tried.

https://youtu.be/2REgX1Z4zek

[Bighead]

They know the only way they can beat him is to impeach him. But it wont happen even if it did the Trump voters would back Pence IMHO.

[Rams]

They know the only way they can beat him is to impeach him. But it wont happen even if it did the Trump voters would back Pence IMHO.

That would mean Pelosi would be VP,   No frigg'n way that's gonna happen.  This country would erupt.

Rams

[Willow]

Barrack Obama chose Joe Biden as his running mate.  It was insurance against impeachment.  Surely no one would want Joe Biden to be president of the remaining superpower.

Donald Trump chose Mike Pence as a running mate.  Honestly everyone likely knows that Pence would make as good as or better president as would Donald Trump.  Donald Trump apparently felt he didn't need the insurance.

Truthfully Biden was not expected to run for the presidential office as Mr. Obama had negotiated with Bill Clinton that Hillary would be the candidate to follow him.

[f6gal]

A president is not above the law.  Neither is a vice-president.

[Bighead]

A president is not above the law.  Neither is a vice-president.

No but evidently Hillary is

[Willow]

They know the only way they can beat him is to impeach him. But it wont happen even if it did the Trump voters would back Pence IMHO.

That would mean Pelosi would be VP,   No frigg'n way that's gonna happen.  This country would erupt.

I don't believe there is a legal succession to the vice presidency.

[The emperor has no clothes]

They know the only way they can beat him is to impeach him. But it wont happen even if it did the Trump voters would back Pence IMHO.

That would mean Pelosi would be VP,   No frigg'n way that's gonna happen.  This country would erupt.

I don't believe there is a legal succession to the vice presidency.

There isn't. In the circumstance described Pelosi would be next in line to be acting President were something to happen to Pence, but still remain in her position as leader of the House, not Vice President. To follow thru with the theoretical circumstance, Pence would nominate a VP, and he or she would need to be confirmed by both the House and the Senate. (Much like Gerald Ford did with Nelson Rockerfeller)

[JFaje1]

I know that this is a little long, but it is the story about Biden and the Ukranian story. People just want to listen to Trump and blindly take his word for everything instead of searching for the truth. The truth is something Trump has difficulty with. Read it if you like or just delete my post which is common here.
John

[JFaje1]

Sorry, here is the article.

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/i-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

John

[JFaje1]

A little information on the national dept under Trump.

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans-to-reduce-national-debt-4114401

John

[Moonshot_1]

Sorry, here is the article.

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/i-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

John

The problem is that the company was under investigation at the time Hunter was on the board and Joe Biden demanded the firing of the prosecutor.

Had Obama made the demand or the State Department been on record of making the demand that the prosecutor be fired all would be well. Assuming all was on the up and up for doing so.

But there is such a conflict of interest here that needs a thorough investigation. We can start by asking exactly how did Hunter Biden come into that position of a Board member of a Ukrainian Gas Company?

Maybe there is a logical and reasonable explanation. Perhaps he has a skill set that is not readily known. But 50k a month is pretty good.

And as to Joe Biden demanding the firing of the prosecutor. If it was on the up and up, the State Department would have made the call. Particularly because of Biden's extraordinary conflict of interest. Joe should have had nothing to do with the Ukraine.

But he did.  

[Moonshot_1]

A little information on the national dept under Trump.

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans-to-reduce-national-debt-4114401

John

Anytime the Democrats want to take a break from the constant Circus of Madness, they are more than welcomed to join in the effort to reduce the debt. This requires a team effort and, by their choice, the Democrats are no longer team players.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Sorry, here is the article.

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/i-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

John

The problem is that the company was under investigation at the time Hunter was on the board and Joe Biden demanded the firing of the prosecutor.

Had Obama made the demand or the State Department been on record of making the demand that the prosecutor be fired all would be well. Assuming all was on the up and up for doing so.

But there is such a conflict of interest here that needs a thorough investigation. We can start by asking exactly how did Hunter Biden come into that position of a Board member of a Ukrainian Gas Company?

Maybe there is a logical and reasonable explanation. Perhaps he has a skill set that is not readily known. But 50k a month is pretty good.

And as to Joe Biden demanding the firing of the prosecutor. If it was on the up and up, the State Department would have made the call. Particularly because of Biden's extraordinary conflict of interest. Joe should have had nothing to do with the Ukraine.

But he did.  

If you are interested.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/23/politics/fact-check-trump-ukraine-hunter-biden-joe-biden/index.html

[Gavin_Sons]

https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/hunter-biden/

[JFaje1]

Sorry, here is the article.

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/i-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

John

As for being team players, what about O'l Mitch Mcconnell that wont even put a bill up for a vote just because he doesn't want to put anything in front of Trump he doesn't like. " Team Players " I think not.
Heck it was the same stuff that went on during the Obama administration when the republicans took an oath to say no to anything Obama wanted even if it was something they supported in the past. I actually remember when both sides used to come together to get things done, but not anymore. I realize that both sides are to blame, but this thing thing has just gotten nasty. I know I can't change anything but I wish for this countries sake we could learn to get along and do what is right for our country instead of calling each other names.
John

The problem is that the company was under investigation at the time Hunter was on the board and Joe Biden demanded the firing of the prosecutor.

Had Obama made the demand or the State Department been on record of making the demand that the prosecutor be fired all would be well. Assuming all was on the up and up for doing so.

But there is such a conflict of interest here that needs a thorough investigation. We can start by asking exactly how did Hunter Biden come into that position of a Board member of a Ukrainian Gas Company?

Maybe there is a logical and reasonable explanation. Perhaps he has a skill set that is not readily known. But 50k a month is pretty good.

And as to Joe Biden demanding the firing of the prosecutor. If it was on the up and up, the State Department would have made the call. Particularly because of Biden's extraordinary conflict of interest. Joe should have had nothing to do with the Ukraine.

But he did.  

If you are interested.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/23/politics/fact-check-trump-ukraine-hunter-biden-joe-biden/index.html

[f6john]

Sorry, here is the article.

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/i-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

John

The problem is that the company was under investigation at the time Hunter was on the board and Joe Biden demanded the firing of the prosecutor.

Had Obama made the demand or the State Department been on record of making the demand that the prosecutor be fired all would be well. Assuming all was on the up and up for doing so.

But there is such a conflict of interest here that needs a thorough investigation. We can start by asking exactly how did Hunter Biden come into that position of a Board member of a Ukrainian Gas Company?

Maybe there is a logical and reasonable explanation. Perhaps he has a skill set that is not readily known. But 50k a month is pretty good.

And as to Joe Biden demanding the firing of the prosecutor. If it was on the up and up, the State Department would have made the call. Particularly because of Biden's extraordinary conflict of interest. Joe should have had nothing to do with the Ukraine.

But he did.  

If you are interested.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/23/politics/fact-check-trump-ukraine-hunter-biden-joe-biden/index.html

Rob you made me burn myself this morning. I was drinking my morning coffee and I see your post. Then I see fact check and CNN in the same entry and I’ve been LMAO since.

[scooperhsd]

They know the only way they can beat him is to impeach him. But it wont happen even if it did the Trump voters would back Pence IMHO.

That would mean Pelosi would be VP,   No frigg'n way that's gonna happen.  This country would erupt.

I don't believe there is a legal succession to the vice presidency.

There isn't. In the circumstance described Pelosi would be next in line to be acting President were something to happen to Pence, but still remain in her position as leader of the House, not Vice President. To follow thru with the theoretical circumstance, Pence would nominate a VP, and he or she would need to be confirmed by both the House and the Senate. (Much like Gerald Ford did with Nelson Rockerfeller)

There isn't, as stated.
Amendment 25 covers filling the VP vacancy, as well as other issues when the President is unable to discharge his duties .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

No one is above the law - not the president, speaker of the house, Senate majority leader, or even Chief justice of the Supreme Court.