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« Reply #1520 on: May 12, 2020, 09:03:38 AM »



Some of this is new infections, some of it is likely the Chinese Government trying to account for the numbers that they failed to report in the first round.

There is absolutely NO WAY that a country with a population of nearly 1.5 billion people had less than 83,000 people infected and less than 5,000 deaths.

Still a buttload of tests.  They don't administer that many tests for the hell of it.  Just sayin'.
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« Reply #1521 on: May 12, 2020, 09:10:30 AM »

Agree to disagree?



Well, yeah!  I was disagreeing with some linked data.  Well, I guess not disagreeing altogether, just stating that it was old data.

You ride on a very high horse, Sheriff Willow.

You wash your hands, too, and good luck with reclaiming your previous intellectual level.   Wink
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« Reply #1522 on: May 12, 2020, 09:15:55 AM »



Some of this is new infections, some of it is likely the Chinese Government trying to account for the numbers that they failed to report in the first round.

There is absolutely NO WAY that a country with a population of nearly 1.5 billion people had less than 83,000 people infected and less than 5,000 deaths.

Still a buttload of tests.  They don't administer that many tests for the hell of it.  Just sayin'.


According to this website China has not reported testing anyone for Covid-19:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%22#countries

What would be interesting is to know how many of the 11 million have already had the disease.
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« Reply #1523 on: May 12, 2020, 09:17:18 AM »

So, it appears, that if this video is authentic, that if you come in contact with someone who has been identified as having COVID19, in Washington state, you will be forced to take a test and be isolated (even before the test has been completed or validated as positive) at home.  You will not be able to go outside of that home until.....

Until the State says so.  Does that not sound like a third world country.  No due process, just forced to abide by the Governor's orders.  

But then I may have misinterpreted what the Governor of Washington said.  (Edited, I can't type sometimes)

I think that there are a lot of Governors walking around with a god complex.

What they are walking around with is democratic party membership cards.  

I love this Wm F Buckley quote:
“Liberals don’t care what you do so long as it’s compulsory.”
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« Reply #1524 on: May 12, 2020, 09:31:35 AM »

To once again put it all in perspective:  

From the CDC (Yes I know) website listing deaths in the United States February 1, 2020 through May 8, 2020

All Causes - 808,851  
COVID19 -    49,867  (6%)
Pneumonia -  74,756  (9%)
Influenza -      6,048   (.74%)

The CDC Website shown below also provides for the lumping of some cases of deaths which you can see at the website.  

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Deaths from cardiovascular disease (estimated) for the same time frame (February 2, 2020 - May 11, 2020)

223,235



 Roll Eyes

OK, let's try this again.  Here we go...

And please read slowly.

BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION, THAT WEBSITE IS USING LAGGING PROVISIONAL DATA!

If you go to the site you souce, it states it clearly.

The website listed above states (quote) :

"Note: Provisional death counts are based on death certificate data received and coded by the National Center for Health Statistics as of May 11, 2020. Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources (see Technical Notes). Counts will be updated periodically. Additional information will be added to this site as available.  

The provisional counts for coronavirus disease (COVID-19) deaths are based on a current flow of mortality data in the ational Vital Statistics System. National provisional counts include deaths occurring within the 50 states and the District of Columbia that have been received and coded as of the date specified. It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated. Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods. Death counts for earlier weeks are continually revised and may increase or decrease as new and updated death certificate data are received from the states by NCHS. COVID-19 death counts shown here may differ from other published sources, as data currently are lagged by an average of 1–2 weeks".

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As opposed to the CSSE site here:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Which states:

How often is the dashboard information updated?

The map is maintained in near real time throughout the day through a combination of manual and automated updating. The time of the latest update is noted on the bottom of the dashboard. The GitHub database updates daily at around 11:59 p.m. UTC. Occasional maintenance can result in slower updates.

What are the sources of data informing the dashboard?
The data sources include the World Health Organization, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control, the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China, local media reports, local health departments, and the DXY, one of the world’s largest online communities for physicians, health care professionals, pharmacies and facilities.

So, again, let's agree to disagree on numbers.

So, exactly what is it about the CDC's numbers that you don't agree with?

I would think that you'd be dancing in the streets.

Their numbers put the death rate for Covid-19 @ 6% and for Influenza @ 0.74%.

You're the one that has taken great exception every time someone has compared it to the flu.

It looks to me like the CDC's numbers prove your point.


I don't disagree with the numbers Carolina posted.  I was pointing out that those numbers are lagging --meaning not current -- as the CDC clearly states on the website.

Willow is right about one thing.  It'll kill who it'll kill, there's not much that can be done.  

I want to see a reopening of our economy.  I'm glad that it is doing so.  

That doesn't mean I disregard the virus or refer to old data because it looks better.  

Why do you take great exception in that?
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« Reply #1525 on: May 12, 2020, 09:32:59 AM »

So, it appears, that if this video is authentic, that if you come in contact with someone who has been identified as having COVID19, in Washington state, you will be forced to take a test and be isolated (even before the test has been completed or validated as positive) at home.  You will not be able to go outside of that home until.....

Until the State says so.  Does that not sound like a third world country.  No due process, just forced to abide by the Governor's orders.  

But then I may have misinterpreted what the Governor of Washington said.  (Edited, I can't type sometimes)

I think that there are a lot of Governors walking around with a god complex.

What thery are walking around with is democratic party membership cards. 

I love this Wm F Buckley quote:
“Liberals don’t care what you do so long as it’s compulsory.”


You might be onto something:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/05/republican-governors-our-states-stayed-open-covid-19-pandemic-heres-why-our-approach-worked/

https://time.com/5834762/gop-power-grab-democrat-governors-coronavirus/

https://theconversation.com/democratic-governors-are-quicker-in-responding-to-the-coronavirus-than-republicans-135599


A couple of these articles clearly attempt to paint the Republicans in a bad light (typical MSM).

But, they also clearly demonstrate that Dem governors have been much quicker to strip the rights of their citizenry than Republicans.
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« Reply #1526 on: May 12, 2020, 09:35:19 AM »


That doesn't mean I disregard the virus or refer to old data because it looks better.  

Why do you take great exception in that?

The problem is that "old" data is the most current that is available.

Unless, you possess a crystal ball it is what you have to work with.
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« Reply #1527 on: May 12, 2020, 09:37:30 AM »







According to this website China has not reported testing anyone for Covid-19:



According to these ones they are.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=coronavirus+wuhan+testing&t=h_&iar=news&df=d&ia=news
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« Reply #1528 on: May 12, 2020, 09:39:15 AM »


That doesn't mean I disregard the virus or refer to old data because it looks better.  

Why do you take great exception in that?

The problem is that "old" data is the most current that is available.

Unless, you possess a crystal ball it is what you have to work with.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

How often is the dashboard information updated?
The map is maintained in near real time throughout the day through a combination of manual and automated updating. The time of the latest update is noted on the bottom of the dashboard. The GitHub database updates daily at around 11:59 p.m. UTC. Occasional maintenance can result in slower updates.

What are the sources of data informing the dashboard?
The data sources include the World Health Organization, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control, the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China, local media reports, local health departments, and the DXY, one of the world’s largest online communities for physicians, health care professionals, pharmacies and facilities.
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« Reply #1529 on: May 12, 2020, 09:49:54 AM »


That doesn't mean I disregard the virus or refer to old data because it looks better.  

Why do you take great exception in that?

The problem is that "old" data is the most current that is available.

Unless, you possess a crystal ball it is what you have to work with.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

How often is the dashboard information updated?
The map is maintained in near real time throughout the day through a combination of manual and automated updating. The time of the latest update is noted on the bottom of the dashboard. The GitHub database updates daily at around 11:59 p.m. UTC. Occasional maintenance can result in slower updates.

What are the sources of data informing the dashboard?
The data sources include the World Health Organization, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control, the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China, local media reports, local health departments, and the DXY, one of the world’s largest online communities for physicians, health care professionals, pharmacies and facilities.


I see, even though the CDC is their source for US data, their data is more up to date than the CDC.  Roll Eyes 
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« Reply #1530 on: May 12, 2020, 09:52:18 AM »







According to this website China has not reported testing anyone for Covid-19:



According to these ones they are.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=coronavirus+wuhan+testing&t=h_&iar=news&df=d&ia=news


I certainly hope that they do and that they share their data truthfully with the rest of the world.

But, I must point out that all of these sources state that they plan to test, not that they have done so.
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« Reply #1531 on: May 12, 2020, 09:53:57 AM »

  2funny.  I rest.
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« Reply #1532 on: May 12, 2020, 10:19:47 AM »

From Yahoo News

"California has prepared for worst case scenarios as the coronavirus pandemic heightens, including the possibility of enacting martial law.

Governor Gavin Newsom said during a press conference on Tuesday he would consider implementing martial law if it was necessary to curb the novel virus.

“We have the ability to do martial law ... if we feel the necessity,” he said.

Issuing martial law would be an unprecedented move rarely used by officials in US history. If enacted, it would temporarily replace civil rule with military authority.

The precedent for martial law in the US states “certain civil liberties may be suspended, such as the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, freedom of association, and freedom of movement,” according to a legal journal."

Where there is smoke there is fire.   Standby....   

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-california-prepared-enact-martial-215237009.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=fb
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« Reply #1533 on: May 12, 2020, 10:38:28 AM »

From Yahoo News

"California has prepared for worst case scenarios as the coronavirus pandemic heightens, including the possibility of enacting martial law.

Governor Gavin Newsom said during a press conference on Tuesday he would consider implementing martial law if it was necessary to curb the novel virus.

“We have the ability to do martial law ... if we feel the necessity,” he said.

Issuing martial law would be an unprecedented move rarely used by officials in US history. If enacted, it would temporarily replace civil rule with military authority.

The precedent for martial law in the US states “certain civil liberties may be suspended, such as the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, freedom of association, and freedom of movement,” according to a legal journal."

Where there is smoke there is fire.   Standby....   

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-california-prepared-enact-martial-215237009.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=fb


California's numbers don't warrant it:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/california/


This is a clear case of a Democrat governor on a power trip.

I hope that the citizens of California are smart enough to send him packing and not elect another Dem to that office for decades to come.


Of course they keep re-electing Nancy Pelosi and look at what's going on in her district:

https://www.kxly.com/i/san-fran-sued-over-nightmare-neighborhood-conditions/
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« Reply #1534 on: May 12, 2020, 01:36:51 PM »

I found this by accident but so very true today.

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« Reply #1535 on: May 12, 2020, 01:42:20 PM »

I've found a few things by accident. I don't think a meme has ever been one of them.  Shocked
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« Reply #1536 on: May 12, 2020, 01:54:16 PM »

What It's Like to Believe Everything the Media Tells You


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcUAG6t5aN8
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« Reply #1537 on: May 12, 2020, 02:05:09 PM »

I've found a few things by accident. I don't think a meme has ever been one of them.  Shocked

If you frequent Facebook ,you would find a lot of things by accident. But I share them on purpose.
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« Reply #1538 on: May 12, 2020, 02:05:47 PM »

I've found a few things by accident. I don't think a meme has ever been one of them.  Shocked

Truly I found that by accident.  I was going to screen capture another meme but I said, to myself, maybe I can find the actual image, which would give better resolution.  So, I found the one I was looking for and, since there were other images there I scanned through them.  And found the Star Wars meme.  

I don't generally post them because I don't look for them.  So, it was an accident or fate or......

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« Reply #1539 on: May 12, 2020, 02:08:19 PM »

I've found a few things by accident. I don't think a meme has ever been one of them.  Shocked

Truly I found that by accident.  I was going to screen capture another meme but I said, to myself, maybe I can find the actual image, which would give better resolution.  So, I found the one I was looking for and, since there were other images there I scanned through them.  And found the Star Wars meme.  

I don't generally post them because I don't look for them.  So, it was an accident or fate or......


Ah....got it.  cooldude
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« Reply #1540 on: May 12, 2020, 06:47:15 PM »

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/05/12/democrats-3-trillion-bill-would-include-a-massive-gift-to-communist-china-n390320
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« Reply #1541 on: May 12, 2020, 06:49:42 PM »

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/05/12/pelosi-unveils-3t-democratic-wish-list-coronavirus-bill-for-friday-vote-n390198
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« Reply #1542 on: May 12, 2020, 06:51:31 PM »


It also rolls back a fix Trump helped put in place that would siphon money from sane states and gift it to communist ones:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/12/house-democrats-stimulus-bill-rolls-back-10000-salt-cap-for-2-years.html
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« Reply #1543 on: May 12, 2020, 09:11:05 PM »


Sucking the blood of the nation...
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« Reply #1544 on: May 13, 2020, 07:16:42 AM »

My boss (The Dean) at the private school I drive a bus for told me if the independent schools across the USA aren't back by, at latest the end of October, there's going to be BIG problems.

https://bestlifeonline.com/fauci-schools-open-fall/


You'll Still Be Homeschooling Your Kids This Fall, Dr. Fauci Says
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« Reply #1545 on: May 13, 2020, 12:19:38 PM »

My boss (The Dean) at the private school I drive a bus for told me if the independent schools across the USA aren't back by, at latest the end of October, there's going to be BIG problems.




The parenting self-help book genre would boom!

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« Reply #1546 on: May 13, 2020, 03:37:06 PM »

Hey guess what, the Main Stream Media finally looked it up.  From the USA Today, May 12, 2020

Fact check: Did Woodstock take place in the middle of a pandemic?

The claim: During the 1968 flu pandemic, no businesses were ordered to close and large events such as Woodstock were still able to be held

Our Rating: True

The Woodstock festival of 1969 did occur amid a global pandemic and no stay at home orders were enforced. However, the concept of social distancing was not yet accepted practice among public health experts and the 1968 flu pandemic was not as deadly as other diseases. Lawmakers also did not face serious public pressure to slow the virus, as the nation's attention was focussed elsewhere. We rate this claim TRUE because it is supported by our research.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/12/fact-check-did-woodstock-take-place-middle-pandemic/3094481001/?fbclid=IwAR3E6lijUMQwsFsWyCkgpxOl8FdFxwmU6-OoKhjBDGFmWvUcvoDWvvEPU1c
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« Reply #1547 on: May 13, 2020, 03:52:22 PM »

Far out!  Let's have another!


Hong Kong Flu Deaths

In comparison to other pandemics, the Hong Kong flu yielded a low death rate, with a case-fatality ratio below 0.5% making it a category 2 disease on the Pandemic Severity Index. The pandemic infected an estimated 500,000 Hong Kong residents, 15% of the population. In the United States, approximately 33,800 people died.

https://www.sinobiological.com/research/virus/1968-influenza-pandemic-hong-kong-flu
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« Reply #1548 on: May 14, 2020, 08:09:39 AM »

For your reference pleasure.


1968 flu pandemic, also called Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968 or Hong Kong flu of 1968, global outbreak of influenza that originated in China in July 1968 and lasted until 1969–70. The outbreak was the third influenza pandemic to occur in the 20th century; it followed the 1957 flu pandemic and the influenza pandemic of 1918–19. The 1968 flu pandemic resulted in an estimated one million to four million deaths, far fewer than the 1918–19 pandemic, which caused between 25 million and 50 million deaths.

https://www.britannica.com/event/1968-flu-pandemic

An Influenza A virus (H3N2) outbreak in China led to the flu pandemic of 1968, also known as the “Hong Kong Flu.” It started in 1968 and lasted until 1969-70. The virus responsible for the pandemic is believed to have evolved from the strain of influenza that caused the 1957 pandemic through “antigenic shift” — an abrupt, major change in the virus that results in new surface proteins, creating a virus subtype that humans have little or no immunity to because the body doesn’t recognize its surface proteins.
According to the CDC, approximately 1 million people around the world died from this pandemic, and 100,000 of those deaths occurred in the United States.

https://weather.com/health/cold-flu/news/2020-01-31-5-worst-flu-outbreaks-in-recent-history

The Centers for Disease Control reports that it killed more than 1 million people worldwide, more than 100,000 of them in the U.S. Luckily, a vaccine was developed early — in August 1969. But the Hong Kong flu is still with us as a seasonal malady.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-crisis-lessons-1968-hong-kong-flu-pandemic/

There were a million estimated killed worldwide, with 100,000 killed in the United States. There were no lockdowns, nor stay at home orders although there were hygienic measures like social distancing and washing hands encouraged.

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/04/28/how-different-we-treated-the-hong-kong-flu-pandemic-of-1968/


The Centers for Disease Control reports that it killed more than 1 million people worldwide, more than 100,000 of them in the
U.S. Luckily, a vaccine was developed early — in August 1969. But the Hong Kong flu is still with us as a seasonal malady.

https://news.yahoo.com/forgotten-hong-kong-flu-pandemic-004728750.html

The claims state: “The Hong Kong Flu (H3N2) of 1968, killed 1 million worldwide, and 100,000 in the US, most excess deaths being in people 65+ (via the CDC). Nothing changed economically, nothing closed, no social distancing, no masks. No one was considered selfish then.”

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirms those figures on its website, where it says that the disease was first noted in the United States in September 1968. (here)

(You have to read the Reuters story carefully because they are addressing a claim that Woodstock happened during the Hong Kong Flu Pandemic, but it was the summer time and, as for most Flu's, summer is slow time.  You gotta love how the press seeks to change the thought process)

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-woodstock-pandemic-1968-idUSKBN22J2MJ

So who is Sino Biological, INC

Sino Biological, Inc. is a global leader in manufacturing affordable, high-quality reagents, including recombinant proteins, antibodies and cDNA clones—all in-house. We provide a one-stop shop for researchers and pharmaceutical companies around the world, helping our customers obtain the best reagents in the needed amounts to accelerate the pace of discovery and improve human health

Ummm do they have a vested interest in making us shelter in place until they give the all clear???

https://www.sinobiological.com/about-us

Todays CDC Numbers

CDC Site "A"  -  56,977
CDC Site "B"  -  82,246
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« Reply #1549 on: May 14, 2020, 08:45:49 AM »


I'm sick of the numbers bullsh!t.  You win.  Over the span of 18 months, the 1968 influenza pandemic killed approximately 100,000 people in the U.S..  Of course that's still debated, as numbers always are...

http://www.myfluvaccine.com/awareness/history.html

I'm convinced.  Hong Kong flu is a bad virus.  Seasonal flu is a bad virus.  COVID-19 is a good virus!   cooldude

On Woodstock.  Some notable differences.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/woodstock-occur-during-pandemic/  Very informative article here. Some interesting charts and newspaper clipping too.

Woodstock took place in the summer of 1969 when there were practically no reported cases of H3N2 in the U.S. The majority of U.S. deaths happened several months prior to this festival, and the second wave of this pandemic didn’t hit until a few months after.

One of the arguments made in the AIER article is that the 1968 pandemic resulted in the deaths of 100,000 people, yet daily life, more or less, proceeded as normal. By comparison, the author argues, the COVID-19 pandemic has killed fewer people (as of this writing), yet has resulted in a major disruption of American life. When we take a closer look at these figures, however, we see that they aren’t truly comparable.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that approximately 100,000 people died in the U.S. during the H3N2 pandemic, with the majority of deaths occurring during the first wave in 1968. This figure accounts for pandemic-related deaths over the span of approximately 18 months. Comparatively speaking, COVID-19 has so far resulted in more than 80,000 deaths over an approximate 4-month span.

I'm not sheltering in place.  Are you?  If not, why are we griping about numbers?  Get out there and enjoy your freedom.  I'm riding this afternoon...
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« Reply #1550 on: May 14, 2020, 10:05:48 AM »

No I am not sheltering in place.   I road yesterday and will ride again today or maybe Saturday.  Depends.

This afternoon, after I take some tree trimmings to the dump, I might start working on an issue I have with my ST1300 and the connection to my radar detector. 

I have been putting that off, because of the way the plastic is put on the ST.  It gets a bit complicated. 
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« Reply #1551 on: May 15, 2020, 11:06:55 AM »

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/san-diego-county-supervisor-says-six-of-194-confirmed-deaths-are-pure-solely-coronavirus-deaths
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« Reply #1552 on: May 15, 2020, 11:15:36 AM »


What is a, "pure, solely coronavirus death"?  Is there any such thing?  Is there such thing as a pure, solely influenza death?  

In both cases fatalities are often related to overall health.  Age and/or pre-existing conditions enable the virus to overwhelm some patients' defenses leading to pneumonia, kidney and other organ failures, heart attack and stroke, immune system storms, bacterial infections and sepsis etc..  This is what takes them out, not the virus itself.

My understanding is that -- of the relatively few unlucky individuals who contact C19 and die -- they rarely if ever perish solely from having contacted the virus.  
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« Reply #1553 on: May 15, 2020, 03:26:23 PM »

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/san-diego-county-supervisor-says-six-of-194-confirmed-deaths-are-pure-solely-coronavirus-deaths
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« Reply #1554 on: May 15, 2020, 03:40:11 PM »

'Weird as hell’: the Covid-19 patients who have symptoms for months

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/15/weird-hell-professor-advent-calendar-covid-19-symptoms-paul-garner?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
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« Reply #1555 on: May 16, 2020, 01:18:13 PM »

From a friend in Fairbury IL.

One of the neighbors a dairy farmer has 150 head of Jersey cows and supplies restaurants in Bloomington and Chicago with their milk, since the lockdown his production has dropped almost 60%.
This field has 50 head which he has put up for auction to either slaughter or euthanize, most slaughter houses are full and not taking orders until January 2021 therefore
they will probably be euthanized.
If this game of politics and money associated with the virus doesn’t end soon I think the Boston Tea Party will be but a blip in history
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« Reply #1556 on: May 16, 2020, 01:40:46 PM »


My understanding is that -- of the relatively few unlucky individuals who contact C19 and die -- they rarely if ever perish solely from having contacted the virus.  


You are right but what exactly did they die of, that is the question no one answers.

 Say they have a False positive because of flu shots,  then they die of another disease, its classified as Covid, similar to being stabbed and they say it was Covid because of testing positive.
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« Reply #1557 on: May 16, 2020, 07:18:29 PM »

And now the New York Post (Some excerpts, read the full story on the link below)

https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-life-went-on-as-normal-during-the-killer-pandemic-of-1969/

"Why American life went on as normal during the killer pandemic of 1969"

"Patti Mulhearn Lydon, 68, doesn’t have rose-colored memories of attending Woodstock in August 1969. The rock festival, which took place over four days in Bethel, NY, mostly reminds her of being covered in mud and daydreaming about a hot shower."

"H3N2 (or the “Hong Kong flu,” as it was more popularly known) was an influenza strain that the New York Times described as “one of the worst in the nation’s history.” The first case of H3N2, which evolved from the H2N2 influenza strain that caused the 1957 pandemic, was reported in mid-July 1968 in Hong Kong. By September, it had infected Marines returning to the States from the Vietnam War. By mid-December, the Hong Kong flu had arrived in all fifty states."

How does this compare to the Hong Kong flu? Nathaniel Moir, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government, said there were few precautions taken during the H3N2 pandemic other than washing hands and staying home when sick.

“It was like the pandemic hadn’t even happened if you look for it in history books,” he said. “I am still shocked at how differently people addressed — or maybe even ignored it — in 1968 compared to 2020.”

A vaccine was soon developed — in August 1969, not long after Woodstock — but the news of a cure didn’t get much media attention either.
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« Reply #1558 on: May 16, 2020, 07:48:29 PM »

First I have heard to this and I do watch a little of Fox News.

"Published 1 day ago"

"California biopharmaceutical company claims coronavirus antibody breakthrough"

https://www.foxnews.com/science/covid-cure-california-biopharmaceutical-coronavirus-antibody-breakthrough

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« Reply #1559 on: May 16, 2020, 09:04:56 PM »

About a month after Bill Gates criticized President Trump's decision to suspend funding to the World Health Organization (WHO), the federal government has just halted a Seattle-based COVID-19 testing program backed by Gates.

The two kinds of testing — surveillance and diagnostic — fall under different F.D.A. standards. In a pure surveillance study, the researchers may keep the results just for themselves. But coronavirus testing has largely revolved around getting results returned to doctors who can share the results with patients.

"We had previously understood that SCAN was being conducted as a surveillance study," the spokesperson said.

New concerns emerged last week when the accuracy of Abbott Laboratories' COVID-19 antibody test was questioned by the FDA.

SCAN tests do not use antibodies for testing, and SCAN said it is working with health officials to restore the program.

Bizarre EU Funded Comic Book Predicted Pandemic, With Globalists As Saviours

Eerie 2012 document painted eurocrats as saving the planet from a killer virus and draconian lockdowns.
https://summit.news/2020/05/15/bizarre-eu-funded-comic-book-predicted-pandemic-with-globalists-as-saviours/

A strange comic book that was commissioned for publication by the European Union in 2012 eerily predicted almost exactly what has unfolded with the Covid-19 global pandemic. However, in this propaganda laced presentation of the outbreak, unelected globalist bureaucrats save the planet.
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