Why not just say it?

[Alien]

I was born under Gerald Ford, so my frame of reference is limited to him, Carter, Reagan, Bush (Senior), Clinton, Bush (Jr.) Obama and Trump. They all had rough times to see the country through during their terms.  They all had their victories and their defeats.  They all had their supporters and their detractors.  They all made mistakes. They all had their personal foibles.

Say what you will about any of these men, but it's hard to argue this:  Trump is the only one of them who could easily be classified as a "chaos enthusiast."

As if things weren't bad enough right now, the President refuses to commit to a peaceful transition of power if he loses the election.  His answer is "We'll have to see what happens." 

Now, he is not a stupid man.  He knows that these comments will create more chaos at a time when we certainly do not need any.  He knows that his refusal will create even more division in an already divided nation.  So why purposely do that to the country?  Simple.  Because he likes the attention, he likes the chaos. We are truly screwed.


Also, for your consideration:


Demagogue /ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/ (from French "demagogue", derived in turn from the Greek "demos" = people/folk and the verb "ago" = carry/manipulate thus "people's manipulator") or rabble-rouser is a political leader in a democracy who appeals to the emotions, fears, prejudices, and ignorance of the lower socioeconomic classes in order to gain power and promote political motives. Demagogues usually oppose deliberation and advocate immediate, violent action to address a national crisis; they accuse moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness. Demagogues have appeared in democracies since ancient Athens. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, nothing stops the people from giving that power to someone who appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population.

[Willow]

...
Say what you will about any of these men, but it's hard to argue this:  Trump is the only one of them who could easily be classified as a "chaos enthusiast."
... We are truly screwed.
...

To the first - no, not hard at all.

To the prediction - Assuming "we" applies to the group with which you identify I certainly do hope so.  

[Alien]

...
Say what you will about any of these men, but it's hard to argue this:  Trump is the only one of them who could easily be classified as a "chaos enthusiast."
... We are truly screwed.
...

To the first - no, not hard at all.

To the prediction - Assuming "we" applies to the group with which you identify I certainly do hoe so.   

Willow, how would you have reacted if it had been Obama refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power?  Would you have been so likely to blandly accept that?

[f6john]

Your blinders fit really well.

[cookiedough]

yah,  this election and soon after will get interesting that is for sure.  Trump does not like to loose at all costs as evident by his show he was head of when he said  YOUR FIRED.    If I was in his shoes,  I would gladly hand over the power to someone else and let them deal with this mess and live off my billion dollars I have to use at my will especially at age 70 something on up not many years left.

I am saddened today though for I just found out a nice coworker of mine recently found out she has pancreatic and ovarian cancer at only age 59.  I was wondering why she has been taking off work the past month more than just a few days.  I guess she is in so much pain and has come on all of a sudden the past month or so that she may never come back or more like be able to come back to work. 

So, if I was Trump,  I would go out quietely if he looses and enjoy the rest of his life running around his mansion naked chasing Mrs. Trump around all day long.   

[Willow]

Willow, how would you have reacted if it had been Obama refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power?  Would you have been so likely to blandly accept that?

I wouldn't have asked the stupid question.  President Trump didn't refuse anything except for refusing to go along with a rather insulting question.

How do you feel about Mrs. Clinton specifically advising Joe Biden to not concede no matter what the vote appears to be?  How do you feel about some of the left supporters threatening they will tear up the country if President Trump is re-elected?

Since you brought up Barrack Obama, I will say he was a most divisive President.  What jumps out at me is that he sent a representative of his office to the funeral of a black criminal and made public statements of another black criminal the that criminal could have been his own son.  He was elected primarily because he was black (although he is not the decendent of American slaves) and as his term ended the country had been set back decades in racial tension.

It is the opposition to President Trump that are chaos enthusiasts, not the President at all.  

[Dave Ritsema]

Seems to me you constantly do the things you are accusing Trump of here on the board in regards to creating diversion and constant stirring the pot. Many people here like our president, some don't. Your not going to change one persons mind with all the political posts you make. Just let it go and talk about motorcycles and give it a rest. Sheesh.

[threevalks]

Why not just tell us. Why do you and the other two or three *&(%$#@! on this board insist on being "chaos enthusiast."

[Rams]

Your not going to change one persons mind with all the political posts you make.

Ding, Ding, Ding!  We have a winner!!!
But, I'll admit I have also made several political statements that didn't change anyone's mind.  I'll probably do it again, some folks (myself included) feel strongly about certain political issues and figures.
So, I won't gripe too much about someone stating their opinion.   Everyone has the right to be wrong. 

Rams 

[Bret SD]

"Now, he is not a stupid man.  He knows that these comments will create more chaos at a time when we certainly do not need any."

You're not a stupid man either Mr Alien, why do we not need more chaos? I'll try to answer that for you.

What party refuses to condemn BLM or Antifa? What party supports defunding police? What party has let thousands of violent criminals out of jail? What party has run major cities into the ground to the point where they have become now unlivable?



Figure it out dude, because blame-shifting isn't working for you. You and the party you support own every bit of Chaos in this country right now.

[DDT (12)]

Everyone has the right to be wrong.


Ain't democracy great?!!!

[F6Dave]

Here's how Trump could have a peaceful transition.  He could illegally spy on the Biden campaign.  If he loses, he could conspire with a foreign adversary to fabricate a story about how Biden stole the election with the help of that very adversary.  Then he could use his holdovers to appoint a special prosecutor and investigate the bogus story for years.  Just to make sure those holdovers have enough power, he could badger Biden's guys into recusing themselves on anything related to the bogus story.

That would 'peacefully' undermine the Biden administration!  But just for insurance, he could have his pals in the justice department entrap and prosecute incoming members of the Biden administration.  That would get more of the Biden guys out of the way.  Now that I think of it, that isn't a peaceful transition.  It's a peaceful continuation!

[Alien]

There seems to be no bridge too far for you guys.  Admittiong on tape that he lied to the country about the virus?  No problem!  Disparaging vets?  No problem!  Admitting that he expects the election to be decided by the Supreme Court and that he want's a majority for that reason?  No problem!

Come on.  I have met many of you in person. You're good, decent, normal people.  So, why is there seemingly NO line that he can cross that will make you stop and rethink him?  

Think of how some of you really dislike me.  Why? Because I don't like him.  That's the only reason. It's not just here on the board either.  I see it everywhere.  His supporters have such a knee-jerk hateful attitude to anyone that dares to question him.  That's more than supporting a politician, it's an almost religious devotion that I find terrifying.  

I'm trying to snap you out of it.  I'm trying to help you wake up.  He is not who you think he is.

[Bret SD]

Here's how Trump could have a peaceful transition.  He could illegally spy on the Biden campaign.  If he loses, he could conspire with a foreign adversary to fabricate a story about how Biden stole the election with the help of that very adversary.  Then he could use his holdovers to appoint a special prosecutor and investigate the bogus story for years.  Just to make sure those holdovers have enough power, he could badger Biden's guys into recusing themselves on anything related to the bogus story.

That would 'peacefully' undermine the Biden administration!  But just for insurance, he could have his pals in the justice department entrap and prosecute incoming members of the Biden administration.  That would get more of the Biden guys out of the way.  Now that I think of it, that isn't a peaceful transition.  It's a peaceful continuation!

Ha, I was thinking along the same lines but didn't sleep enough to have energy for properly conveying the message.

Good job man! 

[Jess from VA]

If he is clearly and lawfully defeated in the election, he will of course step down.

If massive vote fraud is apparent and under investigation at all levels, he may wait to get the results of such investigation, and/or litigation.  That's not the same thing as declaring oneself president for life.

the party you support owns every bit of Chaos in this country right now.

This is absolutely true.  

I suppose if Trump never said anything in reply or rebuttal, it might be 5% quieter, but maybe not.  But he's never going to not say anything in reply or rebuttal.  

You poke me in the eye, imma poke you back.  Every time too.

[RP#62]

After the way the democrats and their media have behaved since the last election, they do not have the right to ask that question.  If anything, Trump should be asking Biden that.

-RP

[RDAbull]

There seems to be no bridge too far for you guys.  Admittiong on tape that he lied to the country about the virus?  No problem!  Disparaging vets?  No problem!  Admitting that he expects the election to be decided by the Supreme Court and that he want's a majority for that reason?  No problem!

Come on.  I have met many of you in person. You're good, decent, normal people.  So, why is there seemingly NO line that he can cross that will make you stop and rethink him?  

Think of how some of you really dislike me.  Why? Because I don't like him.  That's the only reason. It's not just here on the board either.  I see it everywhere.  His supporters have such a knee-jerk hateful attitude to anyone that dares to question him.  That's more than supporting a politician, it's an almost religious devotion that I find terrifying.  

I'm trying to snap you out of it.  I'm trying to help you wake up.  He is not who you think he is.

We know exactly who he is.  Don't have to like him to like what he has done for our country.
As to all the above: Have you ever looked in a mirror?

[..]

 

Think of how some of you really dislike me.  Why? Because I don't like him.  That's the only reason. It's not just here on the board either.  I see it everywhere.  

 

[F6Dave]

I was born under Gerald Ford, so my frame of reference is limited to him, Carter, Reagan, Bush (Senior), Clinton, Bush (Jr.) Obama and Trump.

Don't blame your age for your lack of understanding.  You've been around long enough to realize that this isn't the same democrat party that existed when you were growing up.  Nearly everything Trump supports  was supported by dems only a generation ago.  The only difference is that he fights the way his opponents do.  They've never experienced that before and hate it.

Republicans haven't changed much, and if anything they've moved slightly left on many social issues.  For instance, a 'conservative' SCOTUS upheld Obamacare and gay marriage.  But the dems have moved RADICALLY to the left.  If you're comfortable with that, why not admit it?

[Alien]

Fun fact: I was a registered Republican from my 18th birthday until just a few years ago.  So, there's no need to paint me as a lifelong left wing enemy of all things Republican.  Trump's Republican part isn't the one I used to belong to.  That's why I left. He and people like him are why I left.  I have voted for both parties at different times and never let my affiliation determine my vote. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Willow, how would you have reacted if it had been Obama refusing to commit to a peaceful transition of power?  Would you have been so likely to blandly accept that?

I wouldn't have asked the stupid question.  President Trump didn't refuse anything except for refusing to go along with a rather insulting question.

How do you feel about Mrs. Clinton specifically advising Joe Biden to not concede no matter what the vote appears to be?  How do you feel about some of the left supporters threatening they will tear up the country if President Trump is re-elected?

Since you brought up Barrack Obama, I will say he was a most divisive President.  What jumps out at me is that he sent a representative of his office to the funeral of a black criminal and made public statements of another black criminal the that criminal could have been his own son.  He was elected primarily because he was black (although he is not the decendent of American slaves) and as his term ended the country had been set back decades in racial tension.

It is the opposition to President Trump that are chaos enthusiasts, not the President at all.  

Your allegiance beyond all is just astounding. Can you not see the difference between not conceding until all the votes are in, and not committing to a peaceful transition ?

[Skinhead]

He is not who you think he is.

Please tell us who he is O enlightened one.


And as far as his followers go, how many are assaulting Biden supporters?  How many disrupt a presidential inauguration? 

[Alien]

He is not who you think he is.

Please tell us who he is O enlightened one.


And as far as his followers go, how many are assaulting Biden supporters?  How many disrupt a presidential inauguration? 

As I said in my first post on this thread, he is a demagogue.  The definition is below and it fits him perfectly.

Demagogue /ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/ (from French "demagogue", derived in turn from the Greek "demos" = people/folk and the verb "ago" = carry/manipulate thus "people's manipulator") or rabble-rouser is a political leader in a democracy who appeals to the emotions, fears, prejudices, and ignorance of the lower socioeconomic classes in order to gain power and promote political motives. Demagogues usually oppose deliberation and advocate immediate, violent action to address a national crisis; they accuse moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness. Demagogues have appeared in democracies since ancient Athens. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, nothing stops the people from giving that power to someone who appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population.

[shadowsoftime]

biden handlers have hired 100's of lawyers to contest when he looses.
dukakis was last lib to peacefully concede.

[Valkorado]

 

Think of how some of you really dislike me.  Why? Because I don't like him.  That's the only reason. It's not just here on the board either.  I see it everywhere.  

 

I don't dislike you.  I think you hate our President and will demonize him at every oportunity.

As far s demagogues go, it seems the "leaders" and lawmakers who condne rather than condemn violent rioting and cry out for defunding the police meet the dictionary definition of the word.   It's the Democrats who are promoting lawlessness and disorder in our streets.

[Alien]

I do not hate him.  I just refuse to buy what he's selling. 

[Willow]

There seems to be no bridge too far for you guys.  Admittiong on tape that he lied to the country about the virus?  No problem!  Disparaging vets?  No problem!  Admitting that he expects the election to be decided by the Supreme Court and that he want's a majority for that reason?  No problem!
...

None of the three things you provided are true,  Two are twists of what was said and one is and outright lie promoted by the left media.

Is there a bridge too far?  Maybe instead we could ask some of you (plural) is there anything he could do to make you approve?

I see his opposers have such a knee-jerk hateful attitude to anyone that is reported that he's done.  That's more than opposing a politician, it's an almost religious zeal that I find terrifying.  

I'm hoping to snap you out of it.  I'm trying to help you wake up.  He is not who you think he is.

[Valkorado]

I do not hate him.  I just refuse to buy what he's selling. 

Then quit yer bitchin' and vote for who you like.  I'll do the same.

[shadowsoftime]

I do not hate him.  I just refuse to buy what he's selling. 

                                           BULLSHIT

[Rams]

There seems to be no bridge too far for you guys.  Admittiong on tape that he lied to the country about the virus?  No problem!  Disparaging vets?  No problem!  Admitting that he expects the election to be decided by the Supreme Court and that he want's a majority for that reason?  No problem!

Come on.  I have met many of you in person. You're good, decent, normal people.  So, why is there seemingly NO line that he can cross that will make you stop and rethink him?  

Think of how some of you really dislike me.  Why? Because I don't like him.  That's the only reason. It's not just here on the board either.  I see it everywhere.  His supporters have such a knee-jerk hateful attitude to anyone that dares to question him.  That's more than supporting a politician, it's an almost religious devotion that I find terrifying.  

I'm trying to snap you out of it.  I'm trying to help you wake up.  He is not who you think he is.

His supporters have such a knee-jerk hateful attitude to anyone that dares to question him.

Negative, his supporters have a reaction to the lies made up, attempted crap they have thrown at him, the attempted impeachment and on and on.   Most of us realize he is using the media.  The division in this country totally sits at the feet of those who hate him.   Many of us didn't like President Obama but, we lived with the nation's election decision.   Candidate Trump was far from my favorite candidate but, he beat the evil the Dems put up as competition.   Those of us who are "Deplorables" didn't vote for DJT as much as we voted against HRC.

The Left has gone so far to the left that I as a registered Democrat am again in the position that I have no other choice.   As with most of the Left's accusations, it's all twisted, taken out of context, supported and produced by "un-named" sources and passed on by extremely biased news sources.    

It's one thing to taste the Kool Aide, it's wholly another to drink deeply and go back for seconds.   An open mind would consider all the accusations and consider the sources.   Again, I'm left with no other choice this election, I'm just glad President Trump is able to nominate another SCOTUS Justice.   The left has ruled the Court long enough.   The pendulum swings both ways and it's about time it swung back to the right.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Everyone has the right to be wrong.


Ain't democracy great?!!!

I think it's great also. Not perfect by any means, but probably as close as imperfect humans may get.

My fervent hope is that the many friendships I have made here will survive this period. Take care my friend, and hoist one for me at the FCR.  

[Alien]

“Well, we’ll have to see what happens. You know that. I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots. And the ballots are a disaster,”

 “Get rid of the ballots, and you’ll have a very — you’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer, frankly, there’ll be a continuation.”

“The ballots are out of control, The Democrats know it better than anybody else.”

“I think this will end up in the Supreme Court and I think it’s very important that we have nine justices, and I think the system’s going to go very quickly,” Trump said at the White House earlier Wednesday.

"You can't have this guy as your president."  "You can't have — maybe I'll sign an executive order, you cannot have him as your president."

All of these are direct quotes.  So how is it that I am mistating the facts?

[Rams]

“Well, we’ll have to see what happens. You know that. I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots. And the ballots are a disaster,”

 “Get rid of the ballots, and you’ll have a very — you’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer, frankly, there’ll be a continuation.”

“The ballots are out of control, The Democrats know it better than anybody else.”

“I think this will end up in the Supreme Court and I think it’s very important that we have nine justices, and I think the system’s going to go very quickly,” Trump said at the White House earlier Wednesday.

"You can't have this guy as your president."  "You can't have — maybe I'll sign an executive order, you cannot have him as your president."

All of these are direct quotes.  So how is it that I am mistating the facts?

No one has suggested those aren't direct quotes.   Most folks on this forum and hopefully the voting population will agree with what he was quoted on.   Mass mail in ballots offer all kinds of opportunity for fraud.  GA already had over a thousand folks vote twice and it's silly to think it won't be tried in the general election.  With the possible exception of the executive order quote and most of us take it as it was intended, a joke.   We all know such and executive order is not possible.   

[Bret SD]

“Well, we’ll have to see what happens. You know that. I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots. And the ballots are a disaster,”

 “Get rid of the ballots, and you’ll have a very — you’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer, frankly, there’ll be a continuation.”

“The ballots are out of control, The Democrats know it better than anybody else.”

“I think this will end up in the Supreme Court and I think it’s very important that we have nine justices, and I think the system’s going to go very quickly,” Trump said at the White House earlier Wednesday.

"You can't have this guy as your president."  "You can't have — maybe I'll sign an executive order, you cannot have him as your president."

All of these are direct quotes.  So how is it that I am mistating the facts?

Cheat by mail is the only hope of democrats.. not so hard to understand. California is a great example, there were five or six close races turned by ballot harvesting.. They all turned from Republican wins to Democrat wins.. If they try this on a national scale and end up claiming they won an election and have done it fraudulently, there will be Blood spill, I don't say that lightly, nor do I wish it. Any sane man does not wish for war.
Having said that, Patriots will not hand over our great Republic to liars and thieves.

[MarkT]

PLEASE STAY in California.  You're among your fruits and nuts friends; there are too many of your ilk who have run away from the chaos you instilled there and then brought it here and cali-fornicated Colorado.

[Alien]

PLEASE STAY in California.  You're among your fruits and nuts friends; there are too many of your ilk who have run away from the chaos you instilled there and then brought it here and cali-fornicated Colorado.

Just for that, I'm moving to Colorado.

[The emperor has no clothes]

PLEASE STAY in California.  You're among your fruits and nuts friends; there are too many of your ilk who have run away from the chaos you instilled there and then brought it here and cali-fornicated Colorado.

Just for that, I'm moving to Colorado.

[F6Dave]

Fun fact: I was a registered Republican from my 18th birthday until just a few years ago.  So, there's no need to paint me as a lifelong left wing enemy of all things Republican.  Trump's Republican part isn't the one I used to belong to.  That's why I left. He and people like him are why I left.  I have voted for both parties at different times and never let my affiliation determine my vote. 

If that's true, why don't you list three policies from the Democrats you like, and three you dislike from your former Republican party.  Many of us have been waiting for the dems on this board to tell us where they stand for years.  Maybe you can be the first!

When you vote for a candidate, a lot of party baggage comes with the package.  It's amazing how many voters don't understand that, and naively 'vote for the person'.

[..]

1. “Well, we’ll have to see what happens. You know that. I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots. And the ballots are a disaster,”

2.  “Get rid of the ballots, and you’ll have a very — you’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer, frankly, there’ll be a continuation.”

3. “The ballots are out of control, The Democrats know it better than anybody else.”

4. “I think this will end up in the Supreme Court and I think it’s very important that we have nine justices, and I think the system’s going to go very quickly,” Trump said at the White House earlier Wednesday.

5. "You can't have this guy as your president."  "You can't have — maybe I'll sign an executive order, you cannot have him as your president."

1. It's slowly becoming clear that in some areas across the country ballots are being mishandled.

2. What's wrong with a peaceful continuation (if he wins the election?)?

3. See #1

4. What's wrong with having a full house?

5. Your lack of a sense humor showing once again.  

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-executive-order-biden/

[The emperor has no clothes]

 

Fun fact: I was a registered Republican from my 18th birthday until just a few years ago.  So, there's no need to paint me as a lifelong left wing enemy of all things Republican.  Trump's Republican part isn't the one I used to belong to.  That's why I left. He and people like him are why I left.  I have voted for both parties at different times and never let my affiliation determine my vote. 

If that's true, why don't you list three policies from the Democrats you like, and three you dislike from your former Republican party.  Many of us have been waiting for the dems on this board to tell us where they stand for years.  Maybe you can be the first!

When you vote for a candidate, a lot of party baggage comes with the package.  It's amazing how many voters don't understand that, and naively 'vote for the person'.

OMG ! There are literally thousands of posts from liberals explaining what they stand for. Possibly millions of posts from conservatives explaining what they stand for. I won't be the first, but it's possible to be the last.