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« Reply #120 on: October 03, 2020, 10:15:37 AM » |
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Wow. This is not good.
Evading the oxygen question repeatedly and evading the lung damage question. Most of the docs there are pulmonary critical care docs.
This has clearly been more serious than we are being told.
Not that this is anything new. Every administration lies about the President's health.
I thought you said you wished him well, but you seem to looking for (reveling in) bad news. Dr. Conley clearly stated that Trump's O2 sat is 96% while up and walking around without supplemental O2 (which is quite good BTW). 2 of the doctors clearly stated that he has had no difficulty breathing or shortness of breath at all. I have a feeling they may have put him on oxygen briefly either before or during transport to the hospital, which would not be unusual. Please understand that this is not the case. I would NEVER wish another human being any kind of harm or sufferring and the absolute last thing that this country needs right now would be for the President to be gravely ill. I'm just reacting to what I am seeing and reading between the lines with my medical training and the knowledge that as long as the our country has existed, the severity of any sitting President's health issues have always been downplayed. Wilson's flu and stroke, FDR's stroke, Eisenhauer's stroke and heart attacks, Kennedy's Addisons, Reagan's near death after he was shot and his Alzeheimers... I don't quite believe that everything is exactly as we are being told. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am. |
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« Reply #121 on: October 03, 2020, 10:17:11 AM » |
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I wasn't aware that his physician is a DO rather than an MD.
Why would that matter? My new Dr. is a DO... I wondered about that, I don't respect Chiropractors... A DO goes to medical school and spends all that same time as an intern at the hospital when they get out... I'm OK with a DO... -Mike |
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« Reply #122 on: October 03, 2020, 10:43:12 AM » |
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Trump just tweeted this:
Doctors, Nurses and ALL at the GREAT Walter Reed Medical Center, and others from likewise incredible institutions who have joined them, are AMAZING!!! Tremendous progress has been made over the last 6 months in fighting this PLAGUE. With their help, I am feeling well!
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« Reply #123 on: October 03, 2020, 10:57:36 AM » |
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I heard that as well, but I'm still seeing the attack ads? |
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« Reply #124 on: October 03, 2020, 11:09:41 AM » |
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Wow. This is not good.
Evading the oxygen question repeatedly and evading the lung damage question. Most of the docs there are pulmonary critical care docs.
This has clearly been more serious than we are being told.
Not that this is anything new. Every administration lies about the President's health.
I thought you said you wished him well, but you seem to looking for (reveling in) bad news. Dr. Conley clearly stated that Trump's O2 sat is 96% while up and walking around without supplemental O2 (which is quite good BTW). 2 of the doctors clearly stated that he has had no difficulty breathing or shortness of breath at all. I have a feeling they may have put him on oxygen briefly either before or during transport to the hospital, which would not be unusual. Please understand that this is not the case. I would NEVER wish another human being any kind of harm or sufferring and the absolute last thing that this country needs right now would be for the President to be gravely ill. I'm just reacting to what I am seeing and reading between the lines with my medical training and the knowledge that as long as the our country has existed, the severity of any sitting President's health issues have always been downplayed. Wilson's flu and stroke, FDR's stroke, Eisenhauer's stroke and heart attacks, Kennedy's Addisons, Reagan's near death after he was shot and his Alzeheimers... I don't quite believe that everything is exactly as we are being told. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am. I'm glad to hear that. BTW, I just heard confirmation of my suspicion that he received oxygen before transport to the hospital yesterday. |
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« Reply #125 on: October 03, 2020, 11:53:37 AM » |
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Wow. This is not good.
Evading the oxygen question repeatedly and evading the lung damage question. Most of the docs there are pulmonary critical care docs.
This has clearly been more serious than we are being told.
Not that this is anything new. Every administration lies about the President's health.
I thought you said you wished him well, but you seem to looking for (reveling in) bad news. Dr. Conley clearly stated that Trump's O2 sat is 96% while up and walking around without supplemental O2 (which is quite good BTW). 2 of the doctors clearly stated that he has had no difficulty breathing or shortness of breath at all. I have a feeling they may have put him on oxygen briefly either before or during transport to the hospital, which would not be unusual. Please understand that this is not the case. I would NEVER wish another human being any kind of harm or sufferring and the absolute last thing that this country needs right now would be for the President to be gravely ill. I'm just reacting to what I am seeing and reading between the lines with my medical training and the knowledge that as long as the our country has existed, the severity of any sitting President's health issues have always been downplayed. Wilson's flu and stroke, FDR's stroke, Eisenhauer's stroke and heart attacks, Kennedy's Addisons, Reagan's near death after he was shot and his Alzeheimers... I don't quite believe that everything is exactly as we are being told. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am. I'm glad to hear that. BTW, I just heard confirmation of my suspicion that he received oxygen before transport to the hospital yesterday. Wonder why the doctor had such a difficult time with that ? |
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« Reply #126 on: October 03, 2020, 11:55:15 AM » |
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+Chris Christie has it now as well...
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« Reply #127 on: October 03, 2020, 11:58:17 AM » |
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+Chris Christie has it now as well...
It would indeed be ironic if they don't have a quorum to move the Supreme Court nominee out of committee. |
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« Reply #128 on: October 03, 2020, 12:02:34 PM » |
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+Chris Christie has it now as well...
It would indeed be ironic if they don't have a quorum to move the Supreme Court nominee out of committee. I'm pretty sure we're not down to using ex-governors to vote of Supreme Court nominees.  |
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« Reply #129 on: October 03, 2020, 12:08:44 PM » |
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+Chris Christie has it now as well...
It would indeed be ironic if they don't have a quorum to move the Supreme Court nominee out of committee. I'm pretty sure we're not down to using ex-governors to vote of Supreme Court nominees. No, but the amount of Senators on the Judiciary committee who have come down with corona is rising. |
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« Reply #130 on: October 03, 2020, 12:14:19 PM » |
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Since our friends on the left keep going on about how safe and secure mail in voting is, now would be a great time for them to step up and show us. If the citizens can vote remotely, so should the senators be able to.
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« Reply #131 on: October 03, 2020, 12:25:42 PM » |
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Wow. This is not good.
Evading the oxygen question repeatedly and evading the lung damage question. Most of the docs there are pulmonary critical care docs.
This has clearly been more serious than we are being told.
Not that this is anything new. Every administration lies about the President's health.
I thought you said you wished him well, but you seem to looking for (reveling in) bad news. Dr. Conley clearly stated that Trump's O2 sat is 96% while up and walking around without supplemental O2 (which is quite good BTW). 2 of the doctors clearly stated that he has had no difficulty breathing or shortness of breath at all. I have a feeling they may have put him on oxygen briefly either before or during transport to the hospital, which would not be unusual. Please understand that this is not the case. I would NEVER wish another human being any kind of harm or sufferring and the absolute last thing that this country needs right now would be for the President to be gravely ill. I'm just reacting to what I am seeing and reading between the lines with my medical training and the knowledge that as long as the our country has existed, the severity of any sitting President's health issues have always been downplayed. Wilson's flu and stroke, FDR's stroke, Eisenhauer's stroke and heart attacks, Kennedy's Addisons, Reagan's near death after he was shot and his Alzeheimers... I don't quite believe that everything is exactly as we are being told. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am. I'm glad to hear that. BTW, I just heard confirmation of my suspicion that he received oxygen before transport to the hospital yesterday. Wonder why the doctor had such a difficult time with that ? He's likely walking a fine line with HIPAA laws. Giving any information that was not explicitly discussed and approved would be a HIPAA violation. |
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« Reply #132 on: October 03, 2020, 12:33:05 PM » |
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Back in May, Congress approved rule changes that allow proxy and remote voting, as well as remote hearings, during the coronavirus pandemic. So what's the problem?
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« Reply #133 on: October 03, 2020, 12:38:57 PM » |
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Back in May, Congress approved rule changes that allow proxy and remote voting, as well as remote hearings, during the coronavirus pandemic. So what's the problem?
That was just for the House. The Senate still has to cast their votes in person. But, not to worry. I'm sure with McConnel's willingness to hypocrisy, he'll figure it out. |
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« Reply #134 on: October 03, 2020, 12:56:41 PM » |
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Back in May, Congress approved rule changes that allow proxy and remote voting, as well as remote hearings, during the coronavirus pandemic. So what's the problem?
That was just for the House. The Senate still has to cast their votes in person. But, not to worry. I'm sure with McConnel's willingness to hypocrisy, he'll figure it out. Proxy and remote voting have not been used for Senate floor votes, but have been used by both Houses of Congress for committee business. |
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« Reply #135 on: October 03, 2020, 01:13:54 PM » |
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Back in May, Congress approved rule changes that allow proxy and remote voting, as well as remote hearings, during the coronavirus pandemic. So what's the problem?
That was just for the House. The Senate still has to cast their votes in person. But, not to worry. I'm sure with McConnel's willingness to hypocrisy, he'll figure it out. Proxy and remote voting have not been used for Senate floor votes, but have been used by both Houses of Congress for committee business. Maybe I'm wrong, but the way I understood it was that they can conduct committee business remotely, but any committee votes had to be in person. As it stands now, that would be a 10-10 vote. I'm not sure, but I think they would need a quorum just to open committee meetings. As it stands now, without any Democrats they don't have it. |
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« Reply #136 on: October 03, 2020, 01:34:27 PM » |
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Back in May, Congress approved rule changes that allow proxy and remote voting, as well as remote hearings, during the coronavirus pandemic. So what's the problem?
That was just for the House. The Senate still has to cast their votes in person. But, not to worry. I'm sure with McConnel's willingness to hypocrisy, he'll figure it out. Proxy and remote voting have not been used for Senate floor votes, but have been used by both Houses of Congress for committee business. Maybe I'm wrong, but the way I understood it was that they can conduct committee business remotely, but any committee votes had to be in person. As it stands now, that would be a 10-10 vote. I'm not sure, but I think they would need a quorum just to open committee meetings. As it stands now, without any Democrats they don't have it. 7 Committee Members constitutes a quorum for discussing business. 9 Committee Members, including 2 minority members, constitutes a quorum for transacting business. However, even if they don’t have a committee quorum, the Senate Majority Leader can still advance the nomination to the floor under current rules. The Republicans' greater concern is the Senate floor vote. If Tillis and Lee are unable to be present, they may not have the necessary votes to confirm. |
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« Reply #137 on: October 03, 2020, 03:00:57 PM » |
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Wow. This is not good.
Evading the oxygen question repeatedly and evading the lung damage question. Most of the docs there are pulmonary critical care docs.
This has clearly been more serious than we are being told.
Not that this is anything new. Every administration lies about the President's health.
You’re really reading way too much into this whole thing. If any oxygen was given it was probably as a preventative measure and for general purposes. I’m sure the medical staff at The White House is excellent and that is one thing while being at the hospital something entirely different. Using oxygen on someone is not a death sentence and apparently he hasn’t been given any since arriving at the hospital, so all’s good. He’ll be out by Wednesday...guaranteed, possibly sooner. |
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« Reply #138 on: October 03, 2020, 03:07:49 PM » |
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Cheif of Staff Mark Meadows is telling a different story.
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« Reply #139 on: October 03, 2020, 03:41:06 PM » |
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Cheif of Staff Mark Meadows is telling a different story.
Well since neither of us are there, neither of us have the actual diagnosis or prognosis. I watched the press conference as didn’t get any impression the health of The President was in dire condition, actually quite the opposite. If you want to read between the lines and take a negative approach so be it. I’m quite optimistic on this whole thing and have no reason to believe he won’t be back in Tje White House by Wednesday. On an amusing side, since they reported the Presidential suite at the hospital is not modern The President is probably drawing up plans for a complete renovation and modernization all in gold leaf and marble most likely. |
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« Reply #140 on: October 03, 2020, 03:41:21 PM » |
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Well - There's a process defined in the 25th Amendment if Trump cannot perform his duties temporaily. As well if he (don't wish this on him) dies.
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« Reply #141 on: October 03, 2020, 03:48:21 PM » |
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Dr. Sean Conley and the team of doctors caring for President Trump at Walter Reed military hospital
say they are happy with the President’s condition.
Somebody(?) says that an anonymous source The Associated Press claims is White House
chief of staff Mark Meadows said there was more cause for concern.
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« Reply #142 on: October 03, 2020, 04:17:09 PM » |
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Cheif of Staff Mark Meadows is telling a different story.
Mark Meadows' supposed statement: “The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning, and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery.” I don't doubt that there was something concerning going on or they would not have sent him to the hospital. Because of his age and weight, the fever and cough would be enough cause for concern. Conley's demeanor at the presser this morning did not appear worrisome. If anything, he seemed relieved with the president's improvement since being admitted to the hospital. Conley did issue a correction later that he meant they were in day three of the president’s diagnosis, not 72 hours and reiterated that Trump was diagnosed late Thursday night. As far as I know, Meadows has no medical background, so his interpretation of the concerns may be overstated. Did he even see or speak to Trump this morning before making his statement? Oh, and as a side note, Meadows requested that his comments be off the record. Obviously, that request was not honored. To me, requesting to be 'off the record' seems to indicate that he's not sure of the accuracy of his comments. |
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« Reply #143 on: October 03, 2020, 04:55:44 PM » |
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Once again, maybe he's just a great actor, but..... https://twitter.com/i/status/1312525833505058816 |
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« Reply #144 on: October 03, 2020, 04:56:02 PM » |
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« Reply #145 on: October 03, 2020, 05:35:25 PM » |
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No shortness of breath (speaking in full sentences); no cough at all, that's surprising. Looks pretty healthy to me. |
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« Reply #146 on: October 03, 2020, 05:54:11 PM » |
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Fairly long video the President released earlier tonight. He looked pretty well to me. Looked pretty good, can’t you see the man is delusional? He’s sick I tell you. Out pouring of love? He’s obviously suffering terribly to read love into what has been said about him, he must be running a super high fever which is causing delusions. This man is so terribly ill, he should be sedated and locked in his room, why can’t the doctors make him rest, increase his medication. Endofsarcasm Good luck Mr. President, many are cheering for your speedy recovery. |
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« Reply #147 on: October 03, 2020, 06:00:39 PM » |
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speaking in full sentencesReminds me of the "Dr. - will I be able to play the violin?" joke  ... -Mike
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« Reply #149 on: October 04, 2020, 07:13:02 AM » |
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I wasn't aware that his physician is a DO rather than an MD.
Why would that matter? It was only an observation. In theory their approach is different, but in my experience that hasn't been the case. I've had both an MD and DO for my PCP in recent years, and I really couldn't detect much of a difference. The DO did take more time discussing things, but I think that was due to his personal style rather than his training. With medical science advancing rapidly, the school a doc attended a few decades ago may not matter as much as their personal approach to medicine and their desire to keep their skills current. |
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Anyone see any updates at all about the First Lady and her progress?
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President Trump tests positive for this death sentence of a virus. Receives swift treatment and responds positively in a matter of days with the possibility of returning to the Whitehouse today. Really doesn’t follow the Democrats or Biden’s storyline does it?
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President Trump tests positive for this death sentence of a virus. Receives swift treatment and responds positively in a matter of days with the possibility of returning to the Whitehouse today. Really doesn’t follow the Democrats or Biden’s storyline does it?
President Trump downplays the virus for 9 months. Acts recklessly in dealing with it. Comes down with the virus. Is rushed to the top hospital in the world. Decides to do another reckless act, does a drive by with his cult. Really doesn't follow the American storyline, does it ? |
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« Reply #154 on: October 05, 2020, 08:05:27 AM » |
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President Trump tests positive for this death sentence of a virus. Receives swift treatment and responds positively in a matter of days with the possibility of returning to the Whitehouse today. Really doesn’t follow the Democrats or Biden’s storyline does it?
President Trump downplays the virus for 9 months. Acts recklessly in dealing with it. Comes down with the virus. Is rushed to the top hospital in the world. Decides to do another reckless act, does a drive by with his cult. Really doesn't follow the American storyline, does it ? In fashion with your replies, Wrong. Wrong, Yes, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. But I’m sure you disagree. By the way we really don’t appreciate being called a cult anymore than deplorable. But when that’s all ya got you have to use it I suppose. |
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An expert on NPR this morning saying "Trump is trying to portray an image of strength" as a criticism of his leaving Walter Reed.
Would they rather he lay in bed crying for his Mummy?
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As I have said before,makes no difference what he does in some peoples eyes he is wrong all the time. They are blinded by hate.
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I remember the last time I watched NBC news with Lester Holt. I don't
mean the last time I happened to watch it, I mean the last time I ever
plan to watch it. He was telling a story about a "good samaritan" who
was hiding law-breakers and others who were ignoring the curfew
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It always pays to listen and read what people are thinking, they always reveal their true selves. Cult indeed.
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