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« on: October 27, 2020, 08:38:11 PM »

Some things being done cause of this 'virus' just don't make any sense Undecided uglystupid2
Me AT RESTAURANT:
Hostess: ok, I can seat you at this table right here (4 feet away), but I will need you to wear a mask to the table.
Me: what happens when I get to the table?
Hostess: you can take off the mask.
Me: then it is safe over there?
Hostess: yes.
Me: are those fans blowing above the table? Is that the air-conditioning I feel? Is the air circulating in here?
Hostess: no words. Confused look.
Me AT GROCERY STORE:
Why is there plastic on the payment keypad?
Cashier: to protect people from Covid.
Me : but isn’t everyone touching the plastic keypad the same way they would the regular keypad?
Cashier: no words. Confused look.
Me AT DRIVE-THRU
Server: (holds a tray out the window with a bag of food for logical friend to grab)
Me: why is my bag of food on a tray?
Server: so I don’t touch your food because of Covid.
Me: didn’t the cook touch my food? Didn’t the person wrapping my food touch it and then touch it again when placing it in my bag? Didn’t you touch the bag and put it on the tray? Didn’t you touch the tray?
Server: no words. Confused look.
Life is hard for logical people right now. We are being raised without the ability to process and execute logic
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2020, 09:31:40 PM »

Funny you should mention the drive through and getting your food on a tray. I got the same thing at the local Dairy Queen and asked the same question; since you're handing it to me on a tray, how did it get to the tray? Nothing but a shrug of the shoulders in response.  uglystupid2
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2020, 06:12:25 AM »

Some things being done cause of this 'virus' just don't make any sense Undecided uglystupid2
Me AT RESTAURANT:
Hostess: ok, I can seat you at this table right here (4 feet away), but I will need you to wear a mask to the table.
Me: what happens when I get to the table?
Hostess: you can take off the mask.
Me: then it is safe over there?
Hostess: yes.
Me: are those fans blowing above the table? Is that the air-conditioning I feel? Is the air circulating in here?
Hostess: no words. Confused look.
Me AT GROCERY STORE:
Why is there plastic on the payment keypad?
Cashier: to protect people from Covid.
Me : but isn’t everyone touching the plastic keypad the same way they would the regular keypad?
Cashier: no words. Confused look.
Me AT DRIVE-THRU
Server: (holds a tray out the window with a bag of food for logical friend to grab)
Me: why is my bag of food on a tray?
Server: so I don’t touch your food because of Covid.
Me: didn’t the cook touch my food? Didn’t the person wrapping my food touch it and then touch it again when placing it in my bag? Didn’t you touch the bag and put it on the tray? Didn’t you touch the tray?
Server: no words. Confused look.
Life is hard for logical people right now. We are being raised without the ability to process and execute logic

Many food handlers/preparers think that wearing plastic gloves it to protect them and to keep their hands clean.  They've not been properly trained, or trained at all.  Last restaurant I worked in showed me a VHS video (could have been betamax) and poof, I was trained.  I hope it's gotten better since then, but I'm not seeing it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2020, 07:15:35 AM »

Which network a number of years ran a series about The Dumbing of America. Dumbing seems to be contagious.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2020, 08:42:24 AM »

Which network a number of years ran a series about The Dumbing of America. Dumbing seems to be contagious.

Yes, and plastic gloves are not slowing the contagion.    2funny
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2020, 09:38:25 AM »

My lovely wife and I own a fast food place. We are currently closed for the season. We are usually dealing with 15, 16, 17 yearolds. Gloves and trays are a CYA by the powers that be. We stress washing hands and good hygiene. I think I had so much sanitizer on my hands it probably soaked in. I could probably clean the toilet by pissing in them. Still we had customers tell us they liked the tray idea, while they pet the dog on their lap, talk on their phone, and hand you and receive money with their bare hands.
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2020, 10:34:02 AM »

I don't wear a mask.  But I do wear an N95 respirator in most public buildings.  With something as contagious as COVID that might protect me a bit, but not much.

From what I've read respirators are designed to protect the wearer, while real (medical) masks only protect others from the wearer.  And cloth face coverings?  They're more or less useless.

I have some evidence to support this.  My best friend from college recently caught COVID.  He's an MD, and caught it from an employee in the hospital where he works.  He was wearing a medical mask, while the employee wore a cloth covering.  They were together in a small office for a while.  They kept several feet apart, but too much time in a confined space likely caused his infection.

He's healthy and athletic, but at our age (late 60s) this isn't a pleasant experience.  He said the first day he had a headache worse than his worst hangover ever.  And I can attest that we both had some nasty hangovers in college!

He also had no fever.  Two others I know who had COVID only experienced very mind fevers, below the level a temperature screening would catch.  I've concluded those screenings are mostly to raise awareness, and make patients and customers feel more at ease.

I've also concluded this will be with us for a while.  My daughter had it in January, tested positive for antibodies in April, and just caught it again early this month.  The only way out of this may be a vaccine and effective treatment.
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2020, 11:17:42 AM »

I too don't really see the need for masks for most people. Mine goes on (usually) as I'm entering the building (as late as possible), and if at all possible - off as I cross the exit door threshold - otherwise as soon as I can.
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2020, 11:21:32 AM »

I don't wear a mask.  But I do wear an N95 respirator in most public buildings.  With something as contagious as COVID that might protect me a bit, but not much.

From what I've read respirators are designed to protect the wearer, while real (medical) masks only protect others from the wearer.  And cloth face coverings?  They're more or less useless.

I have some evidence to support this.  My best friend from college recently caught COVID.  He's an MD, and caught it from an employee in the hospital where he works.  He was wearing a medical mask, while the employee wore a cloth covering.  They were together in a small office for a while.  They kept several feet apart, but too much time in a confined space likely caused his infection.

He's healthy and athletic, but at our age (late 60s) this isn't a pleasant experience.  He said the first day he had a headache worse than his worst hangover ever.  And I can attest that we both had some nasty hangovers in college!

He also had no fever.  Two others I know who had COVID only experienced very mind fevers, below the level a temperature screening would catch.  I've concluded those screenings are mostly to raise awareness, and make patients and customers feel more at ease.

I've also concluded this will be with us for a while.  My daughter had it in January, tested positive for antibodies in April, and just caught it again early this month.  The only way out of this may be a vaccine and effective treatment.

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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2020, 11:27:35 AM »

I don't wear a mask.  But I do wear an N95 respirator in most public buildings.  With something as contagious as COVID that might protect me a bit, but not much.

From what I've read respirators are designed to protect the wearer, while real (medical) masks only protect others from the wearer.  And cloth face coverings?  They're more or less useless.

I have some evidence to support this.  My best friend from college recently caught COVID.  He's an MD, and caught it from an employee in the hospital where he works.  He was wearing a medical mask, while the employee wore a cloth covering.  They were together in a small office for a while.  They kept several feet apart, but too much time in a confined space likely caused his infection.

He's healthy and athletic, but at our age (late 60s) this isn't a pleasant experience.  He said the first day he had a headache worse than his worst hangover ever.  And I can attest that we both had some nasty hangovers in college!

He also had no fever.  Two others I know who had COVID only experienced very mind fevers, below the level a temperature screening would catch.  I've concluded those screenings are mostly to raise awareness, and make patients and customers feel more at ease.

I've also concluded this will be with us for a while.  My daughter had it in January, tested positive for antibodies in April, and just caught it again early this month.  The only way out of this may be a vaccine and effective treatment.

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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2020, 08:15:38 PM »

I too don't really see the need for masks for most people. Mine goes on (usually) as I'm entering the building (as late as possible), and if at all possible - off as I cross the exit door threshold - otherwise as soon as I can.

why do people keep wearing masks while driving in their own cars all alone?  Does anyone get that at all?  Are they afraid that airborn particles with the windows all closed now since cold out will somehow get in the air thru the heat vents into the cabin of the car while driving or sitting at a stop light?  At first no one in our small towns were wearing masks but now most are at most stores.  4 months or so ago way way up north ATVing in WI NO ONE anywhere were wearing masks anywhere NOT ONE single person in stores, bars, etc.    It was odd to see that for sure but in northern WI the infection rate is still pretty low yet today less populated areas. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2020, 05:25:02 AM »

Some things being done cause of this 'virus' just don't make any sense Undecided uglystupid2
Me AT RESTAURANT:
Hostess: ok, I can seat you at this table right here (4 feet away), but I will need you to wear a mask to the table.
Me: what happens when I get to the table?
Hostess: you can take off the mask.
Me: then it is safe over there?
Hostess: yes.
Me: are those fans blowing above the table? Is that the air-conditioning I feel? Is the air circulating in here?
Hostess: no words. Confused look.
Me AT GROCERY STORE:
Why is there plastic on the payment keypad?
Cashier: to protect people from Covid.
Me : but isn’t everyone touching the plastic keypad the same way they would the regular keypad?
Cashier: no words. Confused look.
Me AT DRIVE-THRU
Server: (holds a tray out the window with a bag of food for logical friend to grab)
Me: why is my bag of food on a tray?
Server: so I don’t touch your food because of Covid.
Me: didn’t the cook touch my food? Didn’t the person wrapping my food touch it and then touch it again when placing it in my bag? Didn’t you touch the bag and put it on the tray? Didn’t you touch the tray?
Server: no words. Confused look.
Life is hard for logical people right now. We are being raised without the ability to process and execute logic

You made our day, Steve!  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2020, 06:11:56 AM »

 The first day of Gov Holcomb's mask mandate here in Indiana went into effect my brother and I went into a local BBQ joint for lunch. We walked in without masks. The manager says "you can't come in here without a mask". I said "I'm going to order,sit down and eat. How am I going to eat with a mask on"? Then she says, "you can take it off when you get to the table. What's the point !!.. I went out to the car and got a mask. Ordered,sat down, took it off and ate. This is so freaking stupid.
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2020, 06:16:21 AM »

The first day of Gov Holcomb's mask mandate here in Indiana went into effect my brother and I went into a local BBQ joint for lunch. We walked in without masks. The manager says "you can't come in here without a mask". I said "I'm going to order,sit down and eat. How am I going to eat with a mask on"? Then she says, "you can take it off when you get to the table. What's the point !!.. I went out to the car and got a mask. Ordered,sat down, took it off and ate. This is so freaking stupid.

I've had the same thought. Haven't actually said that and done that yet. Some of that mask wearing depends on the local area - some areas in Kansas west of here don't have near the mask wearing of the KC area.
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2020, 02:19:43 PM »

Some things being done cause of this 'virus' just don't make any sense Undecided uglystupid2
Me AT RESTAURANT:
Hostess: ok, I can seat you at this table right here (4 feet away), but I will need you to wear a mask to the table.
Me: what happens when I get to the table?
Hostess: you can take off the mask.
Me: then it is safe over there?
Hostess: yes.
Me: are those fans blowing above the table? Is that the air-conditioning I feel? Is the air circulating in here?
Hostess: no words. Confused look.
Me AT GROCERY STORE:
Why is there plastic on the payment keypad?
Cashier: to protect people from Covid.
Me : but isn’t everyone touching the plastic keypad the same way they would the regular keypad?
Cashier: no words. Confused look.
Me AT DRIVE-THRU
Server: (holds a tray out the window with a bag of food for logical friend to grab)
Me: why is my bag of food on a tray?
Server: so I don’t touch your food because of Covid.
Me: didn’t the cook touch my food? Didn’t the person wrapping my food touch it and then touch it again when placing it in my bag? Didn’t you touch the bag and put it on the tray? Didn’t you touch the tray?
Server: no words. Confused look.
Life is hard for logical people right now. We are being raised without the ability to process and execute logic

You made our day, Steve!  Grin
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2020, 02:30:15 PM »

The first day of Gov Holcomb's mask mandate here in Indiana went into effect my brother and I went into a local BBQ joint for lunch. We walked in without masks. The manager says "you can't come in here without a mask". I said "I'm going to order,sit down and eat. How am I going to eat with a mask on"? Then she says, "you can take it off when you get to the table. What's the point !!.. I went out to the car and got a mask. Ordered,sat down, took it off and ate. This is so freaking stupid.

Had to do the same yesterday in Franklin, North Carolina.  Cheesy
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2020, 03:42:45 AM »

I'm curious, how many here ride their Valkyries without an air filter or oil filter?

Both of those filters capture some or most of the contaminates that would pass on through to the engine if they were not present or used.

But, neither stops all contaminates.   

Just curious.

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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2020, 06:21:24 AM »

The first day of Gov Holcomb's mask mandate here in Indiana went into effect my brother and I went into a local BBQ joint for lunch. We walked in without masks. The manager says "you can't come in here without a mask". I said "I'm going to order,sit down and eat. How am I going to eat with a mask on"? Then she says, "you can take it off when you get to the table. What's the point !!.. I went out to the car and got a mask. Ordered,sat down, took it off and ate. This is so freaking stupid.

Had to do the same yesterday in Franklin, North Carolina.  Cheesy
I have been in several restraints in and out of state that says must wear a  mask.  I never but one on i just put my go to hell look on my face and no one says a thing.  But if anyone ever does then i will pull my shirt tail out and cover my face with my big hairy bell hang out. and see what they say about that.   
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2020, 06:31:34 AM »

Equating a face mask task to a air or oil filter is just ignorant. Automotive filters filter particles in the micron size range. Anything smaller than that is not dangerous to the engine. The face mask is not capable of filtering  the virus since it’s size is in the nanometer range. Quite simply it is the wrong media for the job. Burn me if you like but I was an Automotive Engineer for 32 years and the lasts 12 years or so I helped develop Automotive air induction systems.
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2020, 07:36:07 AM »

Equating a face mask task to a air or oil filter is just ignorant. Automotive filters filter particles in the micron size range. Anything smaller than that is not dangerous to the engine. The face mask is not capable of filtering  the virus since it’s size is in the nanometer range. Quite simply it is the wrong media for the job. Burn me if you like but I was an Automotive Engineer for 32 years and the lasts 12 years or so I helped develop Automotive air induction systems.

The point is, engine oil and air filters both capture contaminants similar to a mask.
But then, you already knew that.
If, a mask only captures a small percentage of the virus, the wearer (or public) is that much safer but, that’s just for us ignorant folks.   Smart guys don’t need no masks.
Or maybe not.

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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2020, 07:59:26 AM »

That’s the point. It can’t capture particles that are smaller the mesh of the filter. It can capture droplets but guess what. Those droplets then vaporize (splatter if you will) and you end up inhaling them thru the mask. Bottom line, to be truly safe you would need a encapsulated mask with its own air supply. Like they have in biological labs. Regardless, none of us are getting out of this life alive.
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2020, 08:12:53 AM »

Or a better comparison to the restaurant mask useage is requiring your motorcycle to have the air filter and oil filter when running on one side of the room but once you go to the other side of the room and put your kickstand down you can run you motorcycle without them. 
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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2020, 08:15:18 AM »

That’s the point. It can’t capture particles that are smaller the mesh of the filter. It can capture droplets but guess what. Those droplets then vaporize (splatter if you will) and you end up inhaling them thru the mask. Bottom line, to be truly safe you would need a encapsulated mask with its own air supply. Like they have in biological labs. Regardless, none of us are getting out of this life alive.

Pretty sure we both understand the issue.   I don't like wearing a mask anymore than the next guy.

Knowing that a screen door won't hold water, given the choice of someone throwing a bucket of water at me either with or without that screen in front of me, I'm pretty sure that screen is gonna capture some of the H2O as the rest passes through onto me.
It maybe a small percentage but it is, what it is.  

Us ignorant folks like screen doors also.  Wink

Be safe out there.

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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2020, 08:39:01 AM »

Equating a face mask task to a air or oil filter is just ignorant. Automotive filters filter particles in the micron size range. Anything smaller than that is not dangerous to the engine. The face mask is not capable of filtering  the virus since it’s size is in the nanometer range. Quite simply it is the wrong media for the job. Burn me if you like but I was an Automotive Engineer for 32 years and the lasts 12 years or so I helped develop Automotive air induction systems.

The point is, engine oil and air filters both capture contaminants similar to a mask.
But then, you already knew that.
If, a mask only captures a small percentage of the virus, the wearer (or public) is that much safer but, that’s just for us ignorant folks.   Smart guys don’t need no masks.
Or maybe not.   

This stems from the widespread misunderstanding that a mask protects the wearer.  It doesn't.  The only purpose of the mask is to protect others from the virus containing water droplets in the wearer's breath.

The problem with comparing the mask to an oil or air filter is that one works on input and the other on output.  A more realistic question would be whether one needs to put a filter on his motorcycle's exhaust.

You are correct.  Smart guys don't need masks unless they're sick.  If they're sick they ought to just stay home. 
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2020, 08:44:47 AM »

Equating a face mask task to a air or oil filter is just ignorant. Automotive filters filter particles in the micron size range. Anything smaller than that is not dangerous to the engine. The face mask is not capable of filtering  the virus since it’s size is in the nanometer range. Quite simply it is the wrong media for the job. Burn me if you like but I was an Automotive Engineer for 32 years and the lasts 12 years or so I helped develop Automotive air induction systems.

The point is, engine oil and air filters both capture contaminants similar to a mask.
But then, you already knew that.
If, a mask only captures a small percentage of the virus, the wearer (or public) is that much safer but, that’s just for us ignorant folks.   Smart guys don’t need no masks.
Or maybe not.  

This stems from the widespread misunderstanding that a mask protects the wearer.  It doesn't.  The only purpose of the mask is to protect others from the virus containing water droplets in the wearer's breath.

The problem with comparing the mask to an oil or air filter is that one works on input and the other on output.  A more realistic question would be whether one needs to put a filter on his motorcycle's exhaust.

You are correct.  Smart guys don't need masks unless they're sick.  If they're sick they ought to just stay home.  

Okie Dokie.   cooldude
Placing a filter between the contaminate and the individual does no good.   Gotcha.   cooldude
We are agreed that masks are more to protect the public from a sick/infected person.  
We agree that sick folks should isolate themselves though.  The problem seems to be those who are asymptomatic and don't have any symptoms yet.   I guess the smart ones there don't need a mask either.

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« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2020, 08:47:54 AM »

The eaterie I went to yesterday required the wearing of thin disposable gloves before self serving.

The gloves stuck together and once separated I saw people putting them back in the dispensing box.

Fighting to put them on of course one has to touch the outside of one glove with the ungloved hand.

Then using the serving spoons etc.

Salt, pepper and lemon juice sachets were served in a bowl. Doubtful if the unused ones were thrown away.

Server picked up the gloves off our table with her gloved hands. Our gloves were inside out meaning she was touching a surface that had come into contact with our skin.

The above illustrates that those making the new rules have no idea what real life is like.



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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2020, 08:52:26 AM »

I doubt there are too many germ/bacteria/virus free environments.   We do what we can.   At least, some of us do.

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« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2020, 09:10:26 AM »

Okie Dokie.   cooldude
Placing a filter between the contaminate and the individual does no good.   Gotcha.   cooldude
We are agreed that masks are more to protect the public from a sick/infected person.  
We agree that sick folks should isolate themselves though.  The problem seems to be those who are asymptomatic and don't have any symptoms yet.   I guess the smart ones there don't need a mask either.  

You used more where only belongs.   Wink

The clause in reference to the asymptomatic is both redundant and repetitious.   Wink  There's disagreement in the medical community as to what the chances are that an asymptomatic person would transmit the virus.  I'm math oriented.  The chances of someone that you encounter being asymptomatically infected is minuscule.  For that chance of a couple in a thousand we want everyone to wear masks?  What the masks are actually doing is teaching us to view everyone as a potential threat.  That's not healthy for our culture.

Furthermore, these measures, social distancing and masks, will not stop the spread of the virus.  At best they will slow the spread.  If they do slow the thread then they will truly lower the peak but by lowering the peak we will elongate the experience.

Lets wash our hands.  Isn't it nice that they've begun to sanitize tables at eateries?  Shouldn't we have done that all along?  

This virus carries the potential for death but it's a very small potential.  Pre-existing conditions?  Don't we all have some pre-existing conditions?  Let's practice reasonable care but let's not live in fear.  The world is what it is and will continue to be so.
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« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2020, 09:23:47 AM »

Okie Dokie.   cooldude
Placing a filter between the contaminate and the individual does no good.   Gotcha.   cooldude
We are agreed that masks are more to protect the public from a sick/infected person.  
We agree that sick folks should isolate themselves though.  The problem seems to be those who are asymptomatic and don't have any symptoms yet.   I guess the smart ones there don't need a mask either.  

You used more where only belongs.   Wink



Again, I differentiate between the type of mask being used and the intended purpose of the wearer.  I use a n-series mask when in public buildings, as I am at a higher risk of developing complications if infected.  If folks don't like that, I could really care less.
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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2020, 09:34:27 AM »

I  am SO PISSED OFF ABOUT LAST NIGHT THAT I STILL CAN'T THINK ABOUT IT WITHOUT WANTING TO KILL SOMEBODY !!!!!!!
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« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2020, 09:52:46 AM »

Again, I differentiate between the type of mask being used and the intended purpose of the wearer.  I use a n-series mask when in public buildings, as I am at a higher risk of developing complications if infected.  If folks don't like that, I could really care less.  

I and to my observation most everyone else am not concerned for the freedom of folks to choose to wear masks.  My opposition is solely to the demands made upon people to wear masks without choice.  I do have some irritation at the efforts of the media to make people believe that these required measures do what they do not do.
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« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2020, 10:20:37 AM »

I  am SO PISSED OFF ABOUT LAST NIGHT.......

Scoop, I feel you I really do, but please don't make posts like this on a public forum (that last forever on the interflub).

Ever hear of Red Flag Laws (firearms)?  Or any number of things where THEY start looking at you in depth.  (best delete it)

When I had to take the The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) for jobs and security clearances, they specifically asked if I ever got so mad I could just kill/harm someone... like 6 times with different wording throughout the test.  If you wanted the job or the clearance, the answer was NO, every time.
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« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2020, 10:36:13 AM »



I and to my observation most everyone else am not concerned for the freedom of folks to choose to wear masks.  My opposition is solely to the demands made upon people to wear masks without choice.  I do have some irritation at the efforts of the media to make people believe that these required measures do what they do not do.

On this, we are in total agreement.   I also don't support shutting down the economy.   But, I do wish more folks would either social distance more or wear a mask.

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I and to my observation most everyone else am not concerned for the freedom of folks to choose to wear masks.  My opposition is solely to the demands made upon people to wear masks without choice.  I do have some irritation at the efforts of the media to make people believe that these required measures do what they do not do.

On this, we are in total agreement.   I also don't support shutting down the economy.   But, I do wish more folks would either social distance more or wear a mask.

Rams

I agree.  I think democrats should all wear masks (forever) and all social distance to one of about six states, and stay there (forever).

I realize this is patently unconstitutional and unworkable, but while you're wishing, wish big. 
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« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2020, 11:31:13 AM »

I  am SO PISSED OFF ABOUT LAST NIGHT.......

Scoop, I feel you I really do, but please don't make posts like this on a public forum (that last forever on the interflub).

Ever hear of Red Flag Laws (firearms)?  Or any number of things where THEY start looking at you in depth.  (best delete it)

When I had to take the The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) for jobs and security clearances, they specifically asked if I ever got so mad I could just kill/harm someone... like 6 times with different wording throughout the test.  If you wanted the job or the clearance, the answer was NO, every time.

I'm not sure if I EVER want to work again - in the last 5-10 years, I have developed an intense dislike of capricious and arbitrary rules, and this crap on C-19 are the straws that break the camel's back.
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« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2020, 01:05:02 PM »

Again, I differentiate between the type of mask being used and the intended purpose of the wearer.  I use a n-series mask when in public buildings, as I am at a higher risk of developing complications if infected.  If folks don't like that, I could really care less.  

I and to my observation most everyone else am not concerned for the freedom of folks to choose to wear masks.  My opposition is solely to the demands made upon people to wear masks without choice.  I do have some irritation at the efforts of the media to make people believe that these required measures do what they do not do.

I agree with your opposition to mandates -- with the exception of business requirements in places like grocery stores.
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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2020, 07:56:50 AM »

My two cents. If you are asymptomatic and have not been hiding in you fruit cellar since February, you would have infected someone by now, so get off that sorry excuse. IF YOU ARE NOT SICK, IT IS SIMPLY STUPID TO WEAR A MASK, OR GET TESTED. 
I agree 100% with Willow on this topic, if you want to wear a hazmat suit 24 -7 I don't care. If I want to be a FREE AMERICAN let me be. 
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« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2020, 08:28:50 AM »

I exercised my right as a free American and voted.  If you're curious, I voted for the incumbent.  Not a shy voter.
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« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2020, 08:33:23 AM »

I really think that mask mandates are contributing to the spread of the disease.

The problem is that the average person does not understand how diseases are transmitted and don't understand how to prevent disease transmission.

Add to this that people have been led to believe that masks will protect them from the virus when they won't.

I see people out in public dutifully wearing their mask and acting as if they were invincible.

They are touching common surfaces and then touching their mask and face.

They are shaking hands, hugging others, having conversations while standing less than a foot away from someone and then touching their mask and face.

If you get the virus on your hands and then touch your mask or your face you can easily infect yourself.




The actual CDC recommendation is to Maintain Social distancing, wear a mask when you cannot, avoid touching your face and wash or sanitize your hands often.

This I can go along with.

The problem is that people put a mask on their face and then think they are 100% protected from Covid-19.



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« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2020, 08:34:55 AM »

I exercised my right as a free American and voted.  If you're curious, I voted for the incumbent.  Not a shy voter.


Thank You for Voting!

And for Voting CORRECTLY!  cooldude


Let's hope that enough people do the same.
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