pelosi and others demanding POTUS Trumps removal from office.

[old2soon]

      so WHAT the ruling class can Not wait 13 days from today for their-insert here what You think/believe-people to take over? gadzooks the deez Will be in control TOTALLY come 20 jan 2021. HOW I ask will 13 days sooner make any difference? RIDE SAFE.

[Wizzard]

Since when have they ever done what made sense? They only care about themselves and their agenda. They have been wanting this since the day he got elected.

[The emperor has no clothes]

      so WHAT the ruling class can Not wait 13 days from today for their-insert here what You think/believe-people to take over? gadzooks the deez Will be in control TOTALLY come 20 jan 2021. HOW I ask will 13 days sooner make any difference? RIDE SAFE.

Look at what happened yesterday. You think he can't do more damage in the next 2 weeks ?

[scooperhsd]

What a waste of time and money that impeachment would be. Why don't we impeach Pelosi for all the good it will do ?

[Sorcerer]

If you think yesterday was ugly. Then if the Dems attempt it invoke the 25th amendment, well you haven’t seen true ugliness yet. Be extremely careful what you wish for.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If you think yesterday was ugly. Then if the Dems attempt it invoke the 25th amendment, well you haven’t seen true ugliness yet. Be extremely careful what you wish for.

The Democrats can't implement it. It would have to come from Pence and Trump's Cabinet.

[signart]

Do it!
Let's get this over with so my Grandchildren don't have to deal with it.

[Rams]

If you think yesterday was ugly. Then if the Dems attempt it invoke the 25th amendment, well you haven’t seen true ugliness yet. Be extremely careful what you wish for.

The Democrats can't implement it. It would have to come from Pence and Trump's Cabinet.

You are correct that the Democrats can't but, there is another path but, that ain't gonna happen.

Congress can order the president’s removal by a two-thirds vote in both chambers.

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

If you think yesterday was ugly. Then if the Dems attempt it invoke the 25th amendment, well you haven’t seen true ugliness yet. Be extremely careful what you wish for.

The Democrats can't implement it. It would have to come from Pence and Trump's Cabinet.

You are correct that the Democrats can't but, there is another path but, that ain't gonna happen.

Congress can order the president’s removal by a two-thirds vote in both chambers.

Rams

Maybe I'm not understanding it correctly. But I think it works in that the Vice President and at least half of the cabinet can assess him incapable. This lasts for a 4 day period, in which the President can disagree and say he is capable. If he does, then the Congress has 21 days to vote by 2/3's to keep him out.
 In this case there  is one variable, and one moot point. Trump has a ton of his Cabinet as "acting" members. Do those people count ? The 21 day limit on Congress is meaningless in this case. He will be gone in 13.

If I have it wrong please correct my understanding.

[Davemn]

      so WHAT the ruling class can Not wait 13 days from today for their-insert here what You think/believe-people to take over? gadzooks the deez Will be in control TOTALLY come 20 jan 2021. HOW I ask will 13 days sooner make any difference? RIDE SAFE.

You’re actually admitted defeat? Wow. That’s a first.

[Robert]

"Not Happening": VP Pence Refuses Democrats' Demands To Invoke 25th Amendment


Why Was Founder Of Far-Left BLM Group Filming Inside Capitol As Police Shot Protester?

Filming the incident from behind Babbit, however, was Utah resident John Sullivan - founder of the far-left organization "Insurgence USA" who made headlines in July after he was arrested for intimidating drivers in Provo. Sullivan was interviewed by the Daily Mail and CNN following Wednesday's shooting - both of which failed to provide a satisfactory answer as to why he was there in the first place.

[old2soon]

      so WHAT the ruling class can Not wait 13 days from today for their-insert here what You think/believe-people to take over? gadzooks the deez Will be in control TOTALLY come 20 jan 2021. HOW I ask will 13 days sooner make any difference? RIDE SAFE.

You’re actually admitted defeat? Wow. That’s a first.

                  IF you read defeat in my post you are Not correct. You and others here only see and hear what you want to see and hear. I have NOT admitted defeat. RIDE SAFE.

[Davemn]

      so WHAT the ruling class can Not wait 13 days from today for their-insert here what You think/believe-people to take over? gadzooks the deez Will be in control TOTALLY come 20 jan 2021. HOW I ask will 13 days sooner make any difference? RIDE SAFE.

You’re actually admitted defeat? Wow. That’s a first.

                  IF you read defeat in my post you are Not correct. You and others here only see and hear what you want to see and hear. I have NOT admitted defeat. RIDE SAFE.

Ok sorry. Your original post was very unclear as to what you really mean.
New administration does not mean defeat. Trump moves to Florida.  Got it.

[Rams]

I think I finally figured out why the Dem leadership is pushing for the 25th or impeachment.

They are afraid he'll run again in the next election and don't want to deal with him possibly winning.  If successfully impeached or removed due to the 25th, he would not be eligible to run.

I sincerely doubt he would run again now and also doubt he could win but, that really depends on who the competition is.   I'd take him over HRC any day but, I don't think she'll ever be a threat again.  Heck, I'll take Biden over HRC and that's saying something!

Rams

[Serk]

I think I finally figured out why the Dem leadership is pushing for the 25th or impeachment.

IMHO there's a few reasons.

-Want to make sure he doesn't run again.
-Want to make sure no one form outside the political class EVER tries to come in and expose their corruption ever again.
-Hatred and vengeance at him for exposing their corruption.
-Desire to taint and, if possible, undo the four years of incredible successes, wins, peace, and greatness that he brought about to our nation.

[scooperhsd]

I think I finally figured out why the Dem leadership is pushing for the 25th or impeachment.

They are afraid he'll run again in the next election and don't want to deal with him possibly winning.  If successfully impeached or removed due to the 25th, he would not be eligible to run.

I sincerely doubt he would run again now and also doubt he could win but, that really depends on who the competition is.   I'd take him over HRC any day but, I don't think she'll ever be a threat again.  Heck, I'll take Biden over HRC and that's saying something!

Rams

Doesn't quite work that way.

As we all know from last summer's impeachment, First, the House has to impeach him.

Second, the SENATE (by 2/3 majority) has to find him guilty.

Third, The Senate (again, by 2/3 majority) has to do another vote to ban him from any other office.

Anybody here think Congress can move THAT fast (12 days and counting down) to actually get an impeachment through ? I sure don't.

Oh, and somebody already posted that the 25th Amendment isn't going to happen. Pence has already said that.

[Rams]

I think I finally figured out why the Dem leadership is pushing for the 25th or impeachment.

They are afraid he'll run again in the next election and don't want to deal with him possibly winning.  If successfully impeached or removed due to the 25th, he would not be eligible to run.

I sincerely doubt he would run again now and also doubt he could win but, that really depends on who the competition is.   I'd take him over HRC any day but, I don't think she'll ever be a threat again.  Heck, I'll take Biden over HRC and that's saying something!

Rams

Doesn't quite work that way.

As we all know from last summer's impeachment, First, the House has to impeach him.

Second, the SENATE (by 2/3 majority) has to find him guilty.

Third, The Senate (again, by 2/3 majority) has to do another vote to ban him from any other office.

Anybody here think Congress can move THAT fast (12 days and counting down) to actually get an impeachment through ? I sure don't.

Oh, and somebody already posted that the 25th Amendment isn't going to happen. Pence has already said that.

I don't believe I suggested how it worked, I was addressing why they want to do it.

Rams

[carolinarider09]

I think I finally figured out why the Dem leadership is pushing for the 25th or impeachment.

IMHO there's a few reasons.

-Want to make sure he doesn't run again.
-Want to make sure no one form outside the political class EVER tries to come in and expose their corruption ever again.
-Hatred and vengeance at him for exposing their corruption.
-Desire to taint and, if possible, undo the four years of incredible successes, wins, peace, and greatness that he brought about to our nation.

I agree whole heartedly with what Serk has stated above.  And, just the thought of that being the truth incenses me. 

[Chrisj CMA]

I think I finally figured out why the Dem leadership is pushing for the 25th or impeachment.

IMHO there's a few reasons.

-Want to make sure he doesn't run again.
-Want to make sure no one form outside the political class EVER tries to come in and expose their corruption ever again.
-Hatred and vengeance at him for exposing their corruption.
-Desire to taint and, if possible, undo the four years of incredible successes, wins, peace, and greatness that he brought about to our nation.

I feel extremely sad for our nation to say I believe this is truth 

[Jess from VA]

They're still attacking Trump...... because that's literally all they know how to do (that and buy votes).

It's that simple.

One trick pony.

They really need to learn a new trick because that one's really getting old (and the entertainment value is low).  

But we all know, as things go stupidly for them going forward, they will keep blaming him anyway.  Just watch and wait.

 

[carolinarider09]

Oh,,,,

According to Biden that's "One Horse Pony"

[Rams]

Oh,,,,

According to Biden that's "One Horse Pony"

I saw him on TV and had to ask my wife what he said, neither of us got the whole sentence.

Yep, we've got a good one there.  If this crosses the double yellow, then delete away.

Rams

[baldo]

Twitter has permanently banned him......

About four years too late.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55597840

Google has removed Parler from it's app store.....Apple is moving toward the same....

https://www.cnet.com/news/google-bans-parler-app-and-apple-could-do-the-same-after-capitol-hill-attack/

He's going to lose his mind.....wait....

Also...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolinehaskins1/twitter-banned-qanon-accounts

[Valkorado]

author=baldo link=topic=115018.msg1162596#msg1162596 date=1610154948]


Google has removed Parler from it's app store.....Apple is moving toward the same....

https://www.cnet.com/news/google-bans-parler-app-and-apple-could-do-the-same-after-capitol-hill-attack/

Oh, goodie gumdrops!  This is good news?!?!?!

I'm not sure that having all conform to the rules and whims of the mighty woke tech gods in order to exercise their RIGHT to free speech is in the best interest of anybody.  Are you?  If the pathways to free speech are removed, is free speech far behind?  How about free thought?  Free will?



Twitter is welcoming Iran's leaders aboard with open arms, and deeply bowing to the ChiComs.  No conflict of interest there.

[Oss]

Free expression of ideas is the foundation of our society

Banning trump.is sedition he must have a voice as all of us

To say his supporters be denied like obama.does.is 
Facist

[The emperor has no clothes]

Private companies have no bearing on "free speech".

[Rams]

Private companies have no bearing on "free speech".

Nor does the VRCC.

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

Private companies have no bearing on "free speech".

Nor does the VRCC.

Rams

Exactly. Twitter can ban, suspend, put up warnings, etc. (as can Connie and Carl)

[Skinhead]

Private companies have no bearing on "free speech".

Nor does the VRCC.

Rams

Exactly. Twitter can ban, suspend, put up warnings, etc. (as can Connie and Carl)

Yes they can, but do you think it is a good idea?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Private companies have no bearing on "free speech".

Nor does the VRCC.

Rams

Exactly. Twitter can ban, suspend, put up warnings, etc. (as can Connie and Carl)

Yes they can, but do you think it is a good idea?

Do I think it's a good idea for Twitter to ban Trump ? Honestly, I don't know. I don't do Twitter, and just see stuff that people talk about on here or the Internet. I think it makes him a martyr in his supporters eyes. But when so much of the stuff he puts out is lies and inciting people to break laws, they were in a tough spot. If they didn't ban him and tomorrow he convinced someone to assassinate Pence, would they be liable? I don't know. Conspiracy to commit sedition laws is my specialty. I'll leave the liable stuff for Jess.

[dinosnake]

I think I finally figured out why the Dem leadership is pushing for the 25th or impeachment.

IMHO there's a few reasons.

-Want to make sure he doesn't run again.
-Want to make sure no one form outside the political class EVER tries to come in and expose their corruption ever again.
-Hatred and vengeance at him for exposing their corruption.
-Desire to taint and, if possible, undo the four years of incredible successes, wins, peace, and greatness that he brought about to our nation.

Nothing to do with:

- incitement to riot, which led directly to

- criminally negligent homicide, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter#Criminally_negligent_manslaughter,

Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death.

with (4) civilians PLUS a police officer dead, and

- incitement to sedition

Nothing to do with those things at all.

Private companies have no bearing on "free speech".

Exactly.  Just a short while ago certain people were celebrating a court decision where a company could refuse service to any person based on beliefs - in that particular case, a baker based on religious beliefs.  So Trump has been banned for formenting possibly violent acts from others.  I don't understand the surprise, it's a blatant violation of the ToS you agree to when you join the privately-owned service.  And just one of the reasons why I've decided to stay away from almost all those social sharing services.

[baldo]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-twitter-potus-account_n_5ff9096fc5b6c77d85e6ca55

[f6gal]

There was NOT 5 cases of homicide, negligent or otherwise.  2 people were killed.  The 3 others died of medical problems.  God, the disingenuous information is rampant.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

There was NOT 5 cases of homicide, negligent or otherwise.  2 people were killed.  The 3 others died of medical problems.  God, the disingenuous information is rampant.   

What were the medical problems ? Some government entity reported them as casualties of the event. I assume the cops or medical people ?

[The emperor has no clothes]

God, the disingenuous information is rampant.   

Like it was Antifa dressed up as Trump supporters ?

[Jess Tolbirt]

i didnt read all the answers but if he is impeached he cannot run for office next time.. if he turnes it ove on the 2oth then can run again in 4 years.

[f6gal]

God, the disingenuous information is rampant.    

Like it was Antifa dressed up as Trump supporters ?

Saying people were killed that weren't killed is despicable.  Those people would not want to be used to advance a false narrative.  Have some respect for the deceased.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(It's irrelevant here, but no one has said it was all Antifa, I've seen evidence that anti-Trumpers were there).

[The emperor has no clothes]

i didnt read all the answers but if he is impeached he cannot run for office next time.. if he turnes it ove on the 2oth then can run again in 4 years.

Not exactly. There would need to be another vote by 2/3's to deny him another chance at election. It ain't going to happen. McConnel has already stated he wouldn't call a vote.

[f6gal]

There was NOT 5 cases of homicide, negligent or otherwise.  2 people were killed.  The 3 others died of medical problems.  God, the disingenuous information is rampant.    

What were the medical problems ? Some government entity reported them as casualties of the event. I assume the cops or medical people ?

No.  The news media reported them as casualties of the event.  It's not appropriate or legal for cops or medical people to release a person's medical information.  If they were homicides, the police could release that.  The fact that they did not, indicates that they weren't homicides.  With a crowd that huge with mostly older folks, there is bound to be some medical issues.  One family released some information, stating that the man had a heart attack.  As Oss said, it was a long walk.  The man could have had a heart attack there, doing a charity walk, or even walking his dog.  

Edit:  Or even banging on an old guy's door who is furiously typing away on his iPad.

[The emperor has no clothes]

There was NOT 5 cases of homicide, negligent or otherwise.  2 people were killed.  The 3 others died of medical problems.  God, the disingenuous information is rampant.    

What were the medical problems ? Some government entity reported them as casualties of the event. I assume the cops or medical people ?

No.  The news media reported them as casualties of the event.  It's not appropriate or legal for cops or medical people to release a person's medical information.  If they were homicides, the police could release that.  The fact that they did not, indicates that they weren't homicides.  With a crowd that huge with mostly older folks, there is bound to be some medical issues.  One family released some information, stating that the man had a heart attack.  As Oss said, it was a long walk.  The man could have had a heart attack there, doing a charity walk, or even walking his dog.  

Edit:  Or even banging on an old guy's door who is furiously typing away on his iPad.

This is what info I got from a CNN article.


Three other people who had come from out of state died of "medical emergencies" during the riot, police said.
"One adult female and two adult males appear to have suffered from separate medical emergencies, which resulted in their deaths," Contee said. "Any loss of life in the District is tragic and our thoughts are with anyone impacted by their loss."
They were identified as Benjamin Philips, 50, of Ringtown, Pennsylvania; Kevin Greeson, 55, of Athens, Alabama; and Rosanne Boyland, 34, of Kennesaw, Georgia. The three were on the grounds of the Capitol when they experienced their medical emergencies, Contee said.