VRCC PaM Board

[Willow]

A board has been created to specifically hold what appear to be pot stirring threads or threads tending to raise highly controversial conversations.  Threads may be moved to and from this board at the assessment of moderators or posted there by members who realize their posts will originate a pot stirring or greatly argumentative topic.

The Rules of the Road apply to this board as they do to all other VRCC boards.  This is not a free for all board.

This is an experiment to see if we can move toward a more civilized General board.  It may be temporary.  Members will need to populate the General board with more threads to be shared so we don't end up emptying the activity on the General board.

[msb]

Props to you and the rest of Admin, for at least trying something like this. A bit more work for you I'm sure, hope it has the positive effect you're hoping for 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I see the Memorial board, but not the other ?


Got it. 

[Rams]

Carl,
Will there be any kind of notification that a thread has been moved versus, deleted?
Just curious how it's going to work...

Rams

[Tundra]

Nice job Being proactive is always a good thing. Semper Fi


I have a couple more for the Memorial board, although I'm lacking proper info. and the nice right up like Vanagon40.

Tom/Sealskinner, Florida
Bill/Grumpy, Florida

[vanagon40]

. . . I have a couple more for the Memorial board, although I'm lacking proper info. and the nice right up like Vanagon40.

Tom/Sealskinner, Florida
Bill/Grumpy, Florida

I cannot take credit for the write-ups. Direct copy and paste from the obituary. I've never had an original thought.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Out of curiousity. PaM board ? Politics and Menopause ?

[Rams]

Out of curiousity. PaM board ? Politics and Menopause ?

Piss and Moaning was my guess.

Rams

[Willow]

Carl,
Will there be any kind of notification that a thread has been moved versus, deleted?
Just curious how it's going to work... 

No.

Out of curiousity. PaM board ? Politics and Menopause ?

Piss and Moaning was my guess. 

Interestingly my colleague asked about that and indicated a lack of familiarity.  We decided it must be of military origin.

[Jess from VA]

PaM:  A google search shows either a non stick spray or a weird card game.

[The emperor has no clothes]

A board has been created to specifically hold what appear to be pot stirring threads or threads tending to raise highly controversial conversations.  Threads may be moved to and from this board at the assessment of moderators or posted there by members who realize their posts will originate a pot stirring or greatly argumentative topic.

The Rules of the Road apply to this board as they do to all other VRCC boards.  This is not a free for all board.

This is an experiment to see if we can move toward a more civilized General board.  It may be temporary.  Members will need to populate the General board with more threads to be shared so we don't end up emptying the activity on the General board.

When do you expect to start moving them ?

[f6gal]

A board has been created to specifically hold what appear to be pot stirring threads or threads tending to raise highly controversial conversations.  Threads may be moved to and from this board at the assessment of moderators or posted there by members who realize their posts will originate a pot stirring or greatly argumentative topic.

The Rules of the Road apply to this board as they do to all other VRCC boards.  This is not a free for all board.

This is an experiment to see if we can move toward a more civilized General board.  It may be temporary.  Members will need to populate the General board with more threads to be shared so we don't end up emptying the activity on the General board.

When do you expect to start moving them ?

When something starts to become a problem.  If you're going to make a potentially controversial post, you can just start it there, then it doesn't need to be moved.  Those who enjoy the political banter, can add checking that board to their routine.

P.S.  Willow is traveling, so may not log in regularly for the next few days.

[Gavin_Sons]

I think all political, conspiracy theory, and religious threads should be on there. Each and every one of those topics so south real quick.

[Rams]

I think all political, conspiracy theory, and religious threads should be on there. Each and every one of those topics so south real quick.

OH YEAH!   Well git 2 it!   

Rams 

[The emperor has no clothes]

A board has been created to specifically hold what appear to be pot stirring threads or threads tending to raise highly controversial conversations.  Threads may be moved to and from this board at the assessment of moderators or posted there by members who realize their posts will originate a pot stirring or greatly argumentative topic.

The Rules of the Road apply to this board as they do to all other VRCC boards.  This is not a free for all board.

This is an experiment to see if we can move toward a more civilized General board.  It may be temporary.  Members will need to populate the General board with more threads to be shared so we don't end up emptying the activity on the General board.

When do you expect to start moving them ?

When something starts to become a problem.  If you're going to make a potentially controversial post, you can just start it there, then it doesn't need to be moved.  Those who enjoy the political banter, can add checking that board to their routine.

P.S.  Willow is traveling, so may not log in regularly for the next few days.

As an example, if somebody starts a thread such as "Stop the Steal". This wouldn't be moved until it devolved ?

[..]

If you're going to make a potentially controversial post, you can just start it there, then it doesn't need to be moved.  

 

[f6gal]

I think all political, conspiracy theory, and religious threads should be on there. Each and every one of those topics so south real quick.

We don't have a big issue with religious posts.  I'm not inclined to create a problem that doesn't exist.  Besides, where would draw the line on what constitutes a religious post?  Prayer requests?  Sending my prayers?  Etc, etc.

[f6gal]

A board has been created to specifically hold what appear to be pot stirring threads or threads tending to raise highly controversial conversations.  Threads may be moved to and from this board at the assessment of moderators or posted there by members who realize their posts will originate a pot stirring or greatly argumentative topic.

The Rules of the Road apply to this board as they do to all other VRCC boards.  This is not a free for all board.

This is an experiment to see if we can move toward a more civilized General board.  It may be temporary.  Members will need to populate the General board with more threads to be shared so we don't end up emptying the activity on the General board.

When do you expect to start moving them ?

When something starts to become a problem.  If you're going to make a potentially controversial post, you can just start it there, then it doesn't need to be moved.  Those who enjoy the political banter, can add checking that board to their routine.

P.S.  Willow is traveling, so may not log in regularly for the next few days.

As an example, if somebody starts a thread such as "Stop the Steal". This wouldn't be moved until it devolved ?

Not necessarily.  If it's left up to the moderators, then it would be a judgement call.  It can be moved immediately or after it becomes problematic.  There isn't a moderator here 24/7, so how quickly something gets moved may seem rather arbitrary.  We would prefer that you self-moderate; but we've seen how well that works. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

A board has been created to specifically hold what appear to be pot stirring threads or threads tending to raise highly controversial conversations.  Threads may be moved to and from this board at the assessment of moderators or posted there by members who realize their posts will originate a pot stirring or greatly argumentative topic.

The Rules of the Road apply to this board as they do to all other VRCC boards.  This is not a free for all board.

This is an experiment to see if we can move toward a more civilized General board.  It may be temporary.  Members will need to populate the General board with more threads to be shared so we don't end up emptying the activity on the General board.

When do you expect to start moving them ?

When something starts to become a problem.  If you're going to make a potentially controversial post, you can just start it there, then it doesn't need to be moved.  Those who enjoy the political banter, can add checking that board to their routine.

P.S.  Willow is traveling, so may not log in regularly for the next few days.

As an example, if somebody starts a thread such as "Stop the Steal". This wouldn't be moved until it devolved ?

Not necessarily.  If it's left up to the moderators, then it would be a judgement call.  It can be moved immediately or after it becomes problematic.  There isn't a moderator here 24/7, so how quickly something gets moved may seem rather arbitrary.  We would prefer that you self-moderate; but we've seen how well that works. 

It's probably a no win situation for you guys. I hope it works.

[f6gal]

A board has been created to specifically hold what appear to be pot stirring threads or threads tending to raise highly controversial conversations.  Threads may be moved to and from this board at the assessment of moderators or posted there by members who realize their posts will originate a pot stirring or greatly argumentative topic.

The Rules of the Road apply to this board as they do to all other VRCC boards.  This is not a free for all board.

This is an experiment to see if we can move toward a more civilized General board.  It may be temporary.  Members will need to populate the General board with more threads to be shared so we don't end up emptying the activity on the General board.

When do you expect to start moving them ?

When something starts to become a problem.  If you're going to make a potentially controversial post, you can just start it there, then it doesn't need to be moved.  Those who enjoy the political banter, can add checking that board to their routine.

P.S.  Willow is traveling, so may not log in regularly for the next few days.

As an example, if somebody starts a thread such as "Stop the Steal". This wouldn't be moved until it devolved ?

Not necessarily.  If it's left up to the moderators, then it would be a judgement call.  It can be moved immediately or after it becomes problematic.  There isn't a moderator here 24/7, so how quickly something gets moved may seem rather arbitrary.  We would prefer that you self-moderate; but we've seen how well that works. 

It's probably a no win situation for you guys. I hope it works.

It's a cursed if you do, cursed if you don't situation.  For this to work, people need to be more proactive in making positive, non-political posts.   

[Rams]

Why not lead the way.

WHOA There!!   

We would prefer that you self-moderate; but we've seen how well that works. 

Here I go and start the most non-political and hottest topic I can think of and Britman wants to give away all the credit.   Steal my thunder huh...........

We'll discuss this out behind the chicken shed.   Would you prefer to do that before or after we eat? 

Rams   

[Serk]

Suggestion for amendment to Rules of the Road - after a poster has X threads moved there, their ability to post in this forum is rescinded, and they can only post directly to the PaM board (And technical/regional forums, etc.)

[Rams]

Suggestion for amendment to Rules of the Road - after a poster has X threads moved there, their ability to post in this forum is rescinded, and they can only post directly to the PaM board (And technical/regional forums, etc.)

Hey Bud,

Did anyone ask you for an opinion???      Now I'm gonna have to leave all Xs out of my posts?

Although that ain't a bad idea.........

Can't say I'm not trying can ya.......

Rams

[..]

Why not lead the way.

WHOA There!!   

We would prefer that you self-moderate; but we've seen how well that works. 

Here I go and start the most non-political and hottest topic I can think of and Britman wants to give away all the credit.   Steal my thunder huh...........

We'll discuss this out behind the chicken shed.   Would you prefer to do that before or after we eat? 

Rams   

Are we eating chicken?

[Rams]

Why not lead the way.

WHOA There!!  

We would prefer that you self-moderate; but we've seen how well that works.  

Here I go and start the most non-political and hottest topic I can think of and Britman wants to give away all the credit.   Steal my thunder huh...........

We'll discuss this out behind the chicken shed.   Would you prefer to do that before or after we eat?  

Rams  

Are we eating chicken?

Nope, that's fowl.........    
Trying to put together a see food meal.   Come on, ask me more about it. 

Rams  

[Jess from VA]

Suggestion for amendment to Rules of the Road - after a poster has X threads moved there, their ability to post in this forum is rescinded, and they can only post directly to the PaM board (And technical/regional forums, etc.)

I'm (absolutely) with you in spirit, but while that could be done with single post deletes, moving a whole thread would then require a moderator to flag one person as the bad guy who put it over the top.  While that does happen, most thread locks (or PaM transfers) are due to multiple individuals throwing punches back and forth.  So then the moderator has to throw down 2-3 flags (for the count toward discipline)?  (Most) first posters of political threads are not the ones responsible for later developing hate and discontent. This would not be a nice plan for the moderators.  (and no replay booth)

If ALL political posts are to me made in PaM, fine.  And the rules still apply there like anywhere else.

And I would like to point out that it is not all that unreasonable to have some heated discussions arise during and after one of greatest constitutional crises in our national history with a very possibly stolen election for president happen in these United States.  And with serious aftershocks.

It's still no excuse for bad behavior, but it is an explanation.  

Although things have not exactly been smooth sailing for quite some time.    

[DarkSideR]

This is a good move. The General Board is most likely the first thing seen by those new, or interested in this forum. I could see a lot of what's posted there scaring off those looking for a motorcycle forum, not politics.

[Earl43P]

PLEASE filter that entire PaM forum/content OUT of the result of using the "Show unread posts since last visit." button.

[Tx Bohemian]

Will there be any kind of notification that a thread has been moved versus, deleted?

That would be amazing, but I'm not holding my breath...

Lately I've had a few of my "political" responses "just disappear" with not one iota of an explanation of why!
Left me to just ASSUME I aggravated someone here so on the next post I would wussied it down thinking that would be better only to find those gone also, again no explanation.

Now I'm left wondering unless you're part of the "core group" of political responders here don't waste your time!

I expect this one to disappear too.

[desertrefugee]

A board has been created to specifically hold what appear to be pot stirring threads or threads tending to raise highly controversial conversations.  Threads may be moved to and from this board at the assessment of moderators or posted there by members who realize their posts will originate a pot stirring or greatly argumentative topic.

The Rules of the Road apply to this board as they do to all other VRCC boards.  This is not a free for all board.

This is an experiment to see if we can move toward a more civilized General board.  It may be temporary.  Members will need to populate the General board with more threads to be shared so we don't end up emptying the activity on the General board.

Too little, too late.

[Jess from VA]

Please quit asking the moderators to satisfy your own personal wishes.

They do the best job they can with what they have set up.

They give us as much personal freedom as they can, and that's a good thing. 

Moderate yourselves, and don't open, read or post in threads you don't like.  It's not rocket science.   

[f6gal]

A board has been created to specifically hold what appear to be pot stirring threads or threads tending to raise highly controversial conversations.  Threads may be moved to and from this board at the assessment of moderators or posted there by members who realize their posts will originate a pot stirring or greatly argumentative topic.

The Rules of the Road apply to this board as they do to all other VRCC boards.  This is not a free for all board.

This is an experiment to see if we can move toward a more civilized General board.  It may be temporary.  Members will need to populate the General board with more threads to be shared so we don't end up emptying the activity on the General board.

Too little, too late.

Wow, interesting.  We can only try.  Sorry we're not perfect.  

[f6gal]

Carl,
Will there be any kind of notification that a thread has been moved versus, deleted?
Just curious how it's going to work...

Rams

The problem with leaving a notification is that the topic heading would still show, when the point is to keep a lot of political crap from being the first thing people see.

[f6gal]

Suggestion for amendment to Rules of the Road - after a poster has X threads moved there, their ability to post in this forum is rescinded, and they can only post directly to the PaM board (And technical/regional forums, etc.)

I'm (absolutely) with you in spirit, but while that could be done with single post deletes, moving a whole thread would then require a moderator to flag one person as the bad guy who put it over the top.  While that does happen, most thread locks (or PaM transfers) are due to multiple individuals throwing punches back and forth.  So then the moderator has to throw down 2-3 flags (for the count toward discipline)?  (Most) first posters of political threads are not the ones responsible for later developing hate and discontent. This would not be a nice plan for the moderators.  (and no replay booth)

If ALL political posts are to me made in PaM, fine.  And the rules still apply there like anywhere else.

And I would like to point out that it is not all that unreasonable to have some heated discussions arise during and after one of greatest constitutional crises in our national history with a very possibly stolen election for president happen in these United States.  And with serious aftershocks.

It's still no excuse for bad behavior, but it is an explanation.  

Although things have not exactly been smooth sailing for quite some time.    

Jess makes a good point.  Besides, I don't think it's possible to block from posting on just one forum.

[f6gal]

This is a good move. The General Board is most likely the first thing seen by those new, or interested in this forum. I could see a lot of what's posted there scaring off those looking for a motorcycle forum, not politics.

I'm not sure if that can be done.  Also, some ppl want to see that.  I will see if there is an individual setting that will accomplish that.

[f6gal]

This is a good move. The General Board is most likely the first thing seen by those new, or interested in this forum. I could see a lot of what's posted there scaring off those looking for a motorcycle forum, not politics.

Thanks Josh.  Looking forward to some good posts from you!

[Serk]

Why not just simplify things and call it Baldo and Meatheads board?  it’s a joke guys!

While those two have certainly earned their spots in the pantheon of crap-posters, they're definitely not alone in that category, not even the most prevalent ones IMHO...

...so what happens if the PaM announcement thread needs to be moved to the PaM forum? 

[Rams]

The truth is, humans tend to gather in groups, groups that have much in common.

And yet, from there, they further tend to join into smaller groups with even more things in common.  This even happens at our own gatherings.   Don't believe it, watch at the next INZANE.   Although, that may not be driven by politics (or not).

This is a social fact.    Generally, the tendency is to ignore the differences until one side or the other makes it obvious that the difference does, make a difference.   Apparently, that difference within this group is mostly in political attitude.   It should not surprise anyone if the smaller of the two groups get driven out.   The old saying of don't let the door hit you in the ass seems to be applicable depending on the perspective of the reader.  

Rams  

[The emperor has no clothes]

Well, that has certainly been the case. After being told to leave the first time, many just go. Some are just more stubborn. But, I’m sure eventually they will all leave somewhere they are not wanted.

[Tx Bohemian]

Carl,
Will there be any kind of notification that a thread has been moved versus, deleted?
Just curious how it's going to work...

Rams

The problem with leaving a notification is that the topic heading would still show, when the point is to keep a lot of political crap from being the first thing people see.

Am I wrong in assuming everybody here can be PM'd?

Delete the thread / post then send a PM as to why.
This way the reason is plain and you don't have to assume what wasn't right, or try to anticipate what mindset the person who deleted your post was in.

Over the years I've suggested a "Political" section a few times to no avail.
That way if "New comers" (or anybody) check it out and don't like it, don't go there again. If they do and get irritated it's on them only.