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« on: March 15, 2021, 10:08:40 AM » |
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I bought a prestine 2001 Interstate last August. 21,000 miles, lots of upgrades, looked pretty much brand new. Seller was a Valk guy. Had a standard also. Asked him about maintenance He assured me it was all good. I took his word for it. I road it until it needed a new rear tire this year, about 3,000 miles. To my suprise the gear and wheel flange were bone dry and full of red rust, and metal. I would say gear surfaces are 50% worn out. Now I own another Valk, 2001 standard so well aware of maintenenance procedures, and I should have gone with my gut and pulled it apart to make sure. Don't know how much more damage I did in that 3,000 miles I road it but it's not good. I went ahead and greased it properly and put it back together, It works but it's iffy to me to travel to far from home.
In doing reasearch on this, I could try and find a good used Valk replacement, anybody got one they are willing to part with? Buy used 1500 wing parts and replace trashed gears (doubtfull), or by new parts and replace in old rear. Now help me out on this last one. In buying the 413--mzo-000 final drive gear set, and the 42630-mt8-305 flange set rear wheel. Is what I'm trying to accomplish is the female gear will be pressed off of ring gear and pressed back on old ring gear? The only part I need from the gear set is that female reciever gear for the wheel flange? Re-use the spacer and special washer from original unit. Any othe parts I need to buy? I see it has 2 seals in there also. How hard is this to do with standard shop press? Or should I take it to a local machine shop and let them do it? Just those 2 parts are around $500 dollars. Not sure which way to go. Any help is appreciated.
Lesson learned. Follow your gut. I would have never thought a bike that brand new would have trashed rear gears.
Peace, Ron.
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hubcapsc
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2021, 10:30:36 AM » |
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I found a used 1500 wing final in good shape for cheap and used
those parts. Buying new parts requires proper shimming, a skilled
step I got to skip by using the same ring gear. I got the machine
shop man to do the pressing for me, it seemed simple if you
have a press and know how to safely operate it.
-Mike
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2021, 11:17:36 AM » |
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Also, beware that if you go the new ring and pinion set from Honda you will also need the O-Ring Holder part#41433-MG9-000. It does not come with the the new gear set. You either remove the O-Ring Holder form the original (hard to do) or buy a new one and press it in.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2021, 01:58:39 PM » |
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Has anyone used a product called green grease it`s waterproof and synthetic.Does anyone know anything about Lidok cg moly?I used this moly along with Lucas heavy duty and the drive train looks fine at 94,000 miles.I`m doing a rear tire change and was wondering about the Moly it's made by Exxon?
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2021, 02:57:51 PM » |
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Mine is 23 yrs old. In the bike's 10th yr, I took it to a shop for a tire change. They appeared to put it back together right. About a yr later I had moved and took it to another more trusted shop. Their tech took it apart and found bone dry and rust. I asked him to do the grease and button it up. It's been going fine for about the last 9 or 10 yrs. I run it hard. Just my experience. Not suggesting you do it like I did.
I do my own maintenance now.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2021, 07:35:55 AM » |
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Well when I changed the rear tire the last time, mine was completely dry and 25% worn. The o'rings failed thus I installed new Red Eye set. Lesson learned. Going to keep an extra set on hand for future tire replacement. https://redeye.ecrater.com/p/18218041/final-drive-o-rings-for-valkyrie-polyurethane |
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pancho
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2021, 07:02:36 PM » |
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Hey burple, just noticed you are in Van Buren. I live about 15 miles south of you, have rebuilt a final drive with Goldwing parts and put many miles on it, could easily re-familiarize myself with the process and have a press. If I can help you out just let me know. PM or email.
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2021, 07:20:16 PM » |
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Hey burple, just noticed you are in Van Buren. I live about 15 miles south of you, have rebuilt a final drive with Goldwing parts and put many miles on it, could easily re-familiarize myself with the process and have a press. If I can help you out just let me know. PM or email.
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pancho
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2021, 06:58:48 AM » |
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Hey burple, just noticed you are in Van Buren. I live about 15 miles south of you, have rebuilt a final drive with Goldwing parts and put many miles on it, could easily re-familiarize myself with the process and have a press. If I can help you out just let me know. PM or email.
Have you ever thought about refurbing final drives for fun and profit? Nah,,, too many other fun things taking up my time Valker. But always willing to help someone out. |
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2021, 07:34:03 AM » |
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Hey burple, just noticed you are in Van Buren. I live about 15 miles south of you, have rebuilt a final drive with Goldwing parts and put many miles on it, could easily re-familiarize myself with the process and have a press. If I can help you out just let me know. PM or email.
Hey Pancho, Didn't realize had another Valk rider so close. I appreciate your offer. And will likely take you up on your help. I was really needing to know if you actually use the new ring gear you purchase (without using new pinion gear), or can u press out the female wheel hub drive out of the new ring gear and reinstall on original (old) ring gear with same (removed spacers/shims for correct pinion/ring gear meshing. Like I said. Gears looked to be about half wore out, I greased her up good and re-installed wheel. Everything works, for now. I just want to have the parts on hand, and the know how to to do it when the time comes. Peace, Ron. |
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2021, 05:45:39 PM » |
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The most straight forward way to do this job is to press the splines off the donor ring gear and your Valk ring gear, and press the good splines back on your Valk ring gear. Use all the original spacers, shims and washers back in their original positions as the clearances are already set up for your pinion and ring gear and nothing has changed there, and original gear lash is maintained. Pretty straight forward process, need to be careful where you put the sealant when reinstalling the cover as to not block a breathing passage. You also need a good driven flange when doing this. This approach saves a lot of gear setup time and the cost of new gears as 1500 wing final drives are pretty cheap and used to be plentiful,, maybe still are.
I saw this approach being done by hubcapSC on this board when I like you discovered my new to me Valkyrie had the final splines chewed up. Several have done it this way with long lasting results. If you want a hand when you get ready, just let me know Ron.
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2021, 06:46:28 AM » |
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I am still assuming you could buy the new OEM gear set and simply do the same thing by pressing in and out the new hub splines into the original ring gear of bike. Of course buying new wheel hub splines also, using original spacers and washers for original ring gear set up would work, correct? I know that's alot of mula just for the splines but everything would be brand new, unlike a used 1500 goldwing setup.
Peace, Ron.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2021, 08:14:20 AM » |
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Used can be plenty good   I failed to get a good one on the first try, though, so that was a waste of money...  -Mike |
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2021, 11:23:50 AM » |
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Used can be plenty good I failed to get a good one on the first try, though, so that was a waste of money... -Mike Anybody have a good source for used? If so, what's the going price. Again I just wanted to clarify if I bought new parts and pressed out just the splined part that was needed and reinstalled same washers and spacers on old ring gear, that tolerances on ring and pinion would still be correct. I know that's alot of money since You wouldn't actually be using the new ring gear and pinion, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. By the way, your second spline pic looks much better than the ones on mine i am talking about. Also, can anyone supply links to walk me through this procedure? Peace, Ron. |
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2021, 11:58:25 AM » |
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pancho
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2021, 12:28:54 PM » |
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You certainly can buy a new set of gears and just press off the splines to save the setup procedure and buying shim kits. You will still need a good flange.
And yes, a general purpose 20T shop press is all you need along with some aluminum blocks to set on your arbor plates.
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2021, 01:57:05 PM » |
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thanks all for the info. After looking on-line at used valk drives $500-$700. Used goldwing drives $30-$150 all showing (normal) wear. Some looked well used others ok. I think I"ll just bite the bullet and buy the new parts. It'll be brand new then. Bike only has 25,000 miles on it. I should never have to worry about it again with proper maintenance. This new bike is kicking my wallets ass. Alternator, tires, rear drive. All within 3,000 miles. Again, it just goes to show. NO matter how low mileage, shinny brand new looking something is, you never know if proper maintenance has been done. Unless you've done it yourself.
Pancho, I'll be hollering at you sometime in the near future if you don't mind. I could use a walk through and expertise of somebody that has done this before.
Peace brothers,
Ron.
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2021, 03:41:06 PM » |
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If you want it done fast, hire a pro. If you want it done right, do it yourself.
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pancho
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2021, 06:00:01 PM » |
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thanks all for the info. After looking on-line at used valk drives $500-$700. Used goldwing drives $30-$150 all showing (normal) wear. Some looked well used others ok. I think I"ll just bite the bullet and buy the new parts. It'll be brand new then. Bike only has 25,000 miles on it. I should never have to worry about it again with proper maintenance. This new bike is kicking my wallets ass. Alternator, tires, rear drive. All within 3,000 miles. Again, it just goes to show. NO matter how low mileage, shinny brand new looking something is, you never know if proper maintenance has been done. Unless you've done it yourself.
Pancho, I'll be hollering at you sometime in the near future if you don't mind. I could use a walk through and expertise of somebody that has done this before.
Peace brothers,
Ron.
DOn't mind at all Ron, just let me know. Hopefully this will be the end of surprises for awhile. |
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