A Great Subject of Social Import--Obama has figured out a Strategy --Political

[big turkey]

He has personally comitted himself or of course with hard earned American Tax Payers money.

To buy all of Congress a little perk if they vote yes on the Health Care Bill that will lead to a

out and out folly of a Great Depression that will make the last Great Depression look

impotent.

Improtant note here the product he is giving them is foriegn made and we know that will help the economy.

He got this idea form Reverend Wright and it goes aloong with his God DXm America Sermon.

He feels like we should be like Jesus when he told the Disciples, if a man asks for your cloak also

give him your coat as well.

Or if they ask you to carry their load for a mile then carry it two.

Only thing is , he meant(Jesus) that you should do that yourself.

Now he wants to take what is yours and do it for anyone without your consent.

Big Difference, but this all falls under the share your and my wealth plan.

This video sums up Obama's and the Democrats Plan.

We all need to on the sly of course , change our deductions to the max and not send money to Washigton for  a while.

This will in theory work and it is completely legal.

They would mess their perverbial pants if enough people did this.

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[big turkey]

This is ablsolutely the last straw.

Perversion of the next generation, who thinks this stuff up.

SOme of my Democratic Friends are thinking of Voting Republican in the Next Election becasue of this.

Well the Independant Voters will needless to say are swayed against this catastrophe.

Be afraid, very afraid , but fear no danger we can over come.

Wow that used to be the chant of another group not too long ago.

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[Chrisj CMA]

Al...I agree 100% with you.  Unfortunately the coolaid is very strong, many that still sing Obama's praises wont believe it until its way too late.  Once this monster called healtcare reform is passed, they will have a pathway to systematically strip Americans of the very rights and liberties that has made this a great Country......they have had this kind of stuff in thier sights for 50 years, and no one wanted to believe it could ever happen, well watch and see........

[big turkey]

Large business concerns are wathcing, the jobs are not here now and after this swing of political suicide they will be more unemplyment.

It's not over and thsoe wiht money may leave this country due to the tax increases and other

punishments when this passes.

Remember theese 30 million wiht out health car ewill not recieve it for four years but we start paying for it now./

Inssanity.

Al

[Chrisj CMA]

and the only way they get 30 million new enrollees is by signing up ALL the illegal aliens.  Dig a little deeper y'all  you thought they was comming across before.......

[big turkey]

God  will prvide to those people that call upon his name.

Not worried about the fulfilling of the need.

Concerned about our Freedoms.

I will fight personally for the continuing of or constitunional freedoms, whether by words or deads

or with all that Posess or wiht my life if needed.

Sounds like the Founding Father Creedo in that they pledged everthing to defeat tyranny.
Fear no Danger.

Men wiht faith seldom lack for courage because they are led by a higher power that guides them

through the storm of life.

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Al

[big turkey]

Teh contitution is under attack and if we all pull together Just like John Booehner suggested

we can defeat through many different means this insaity before us.

Enough said.

[asfltdncr]

He has personally comitted himself or of course with hard earned American Tax Payers money.

To buy all of Congress a little perk if they vote yes on the Health Care Bill that will lead to a

out and out folly of a Great Depression that will make the last Great Depression look

impotent.

Improtant note here the product he is giving them is foriegn made and we know that will help the economy.

He got this idea form Reverend Wright and it goes aloong with his God DXm America Sermon.

He feels like we should be like Jesus when he told the Disciples, if a man asks for your cloak also

give him your coat as well.

Or if they ask you to carry their load for a mile then carry it two.

Only thing is , he meant(Jesus) that you should do that yourself.

Now he wants to take what is yours and do it for anyone without your consent.

Big Difference, but this all falls under the share your and my wealth plan.

This video sums up Obama's and the Democrats Plan.

We all need to on the sly of course , change our deductions to the max and not send money to Washigton for  a while.

This will in theory work and it is completely legal.

They would mess their perverbial pants if enough people did this.





Janis Joplin - Mercedes Benz

 

[czuch]

They say buy gold and silver.
Oddly enough I put my faith in paper and lead.
(paper=bible)

[Hoser]

"What more noble cause to die for than liberty" William Wallace, Scottish Hero

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[asfltdncr]

and the only way they get 30 million new enrollees is by signing up ALL the illegal aliens.  Dig a little deeper y'all  you thought they was comming across before.......

Now that's just pure silliness and if I dig where you dig(limbaugh & beck)my shovel will be full of shi....

[big turkey]

Well Hussien Obama has done it again.

the arrogance of this man knows no Bounds.

Stiffed one of our main partners due to the supposed treatment of the Iranian Backed Stooges

the Poor little Palestineans.

If they would quit throwing rocks and launching missiles they might get some respect.

He did not go to Israel because of a little mistreatment.

Well he may not have gone because they did not want his sorry katukus there in the First Place.

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They say buy gold and silver.
Oddly enough I put my faith in paper and lead.
(paper=bible




Nice quoute from a guy wiht his head on straight.

[RoadKill]

I am William Wallace! What will you do with out freedom ?  ?   ?

[stormrider]

Al...I agree 100% with you.  Unfortunately the coolaid is very strong, many that still sing Obama's praises wont believe it until its way too late.  Once this monster called healtcare reform is passed, they will have a pathway to systematically strip Americans of the very rights and liberties that has made this a great Country......they have had this kind of stuff in thier sights for 50 years, and no one wanted to believe it could ever happen, well watch and see........

This happened to the South 150 years ago and yet today is lauded as saving this great nation. Well, now that everyone else's rights are being stirpped, it's look out. It actually started over 150 years ago, just now being noticed across the nation.

[X Ring]

This happened to the South 150 years ago and yet today is lauded as saving this great nation. Well, now that everyone else's rights are being stirpped, it's look out. It actually started over 150 years ago, just now being noticed across the nation.

What's the old saying?  Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it?  

Marty

[Serk]

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it?  

And sadly the corollary, those who study history are doomed to watching it being repeated...

[asfltdncr]

Oddly enough, I don't believe there was nary a word on the forum when the "Pied Pieper" was in office.  The statititions had it easy then, every graph went in the same direction-down, down,down.
Now the graphs are going up, up ,up for those of you that watch your 401k or job market analysis by independent sources---not Beck and Limbaugh.

All ya'll christians sure don't like to help anybody less fortunate than yourselves and some of these unfortunate are our brothers in this forum.

I have what Congressmen have for health insurance and I'm willing to share a little for those less fortunate.

[Mickey Runie]

1)  ..., every graph went in the same direction-down, down,down.
Now the graphs are going up, up ,up for those of you that watch your 401k....

2)  I have what Congressmen have for health insurance and I'm willing to share a little for those less fortunate.

1.   I don't watch Beck or Limbaugh, but I have a 401(k) that I keep a watchful eye on.   As I recall, it didn't begin to sag noticably until well after the New Messiah convinced enough fine Americans to drink his coolaide during his campaign for presidency, which eventually and actually began bringing the market place down.  Apparently, when someone yells "the economy is failed" often enough, and loudly enough, a lot of people will indeed, think it's failed.  I, personally, didn't see the economy as "failing" at the time.  Enough other people did, and then it did.  I suspect without the continued campaign persuasion, the economy would have continued on an uptrend.  I'm not an economist by any means, but even the most uneducated knows that Presidents don't make an economy.  People do.  If enough people are convinced the sky is falling, someone will eventually bring some rocks to show and tell.   

2.  Go ahead and share your good fortune with others less fortunate than yourself.  I applaud you for this.  I do this occasionally myself.   Just don't expect to FORCE everyone around you to do the same.  That's all I ask.  I like to give what I can, when I can, at my sole discretion.   NOT YOURS.   

By "Pied Pieper", did you mean Bill Clinton?   


I'm glad you seem so giddy about several days of good return on your 401(k).  I suspect it will be short lived.  I can't find the dead horse emoticon to attach here.     

[fstsix]

Ultra-Rich Leftists Want to Atone for their Guilt by Paying Higher Taxes…And They Want to Impose their Neurotic Views on the Rest of Us
by Dan Mitchell

A Washington Post columnist reports on a group of limousine liberals who are lobbying to pay more taxes. Of course, there’s no law that prevents them from writing big checks to the government and voluntarily paying more, so what they’re really lobbying for is higher taxes on the vast majority of investors and entrepreneurs who don’t want more of their income confiscated by the clowns in Washington and squandered on corrupt and inefficient programs.

il_430xN.72152299

I debated one of these guilt-ridden, silver-spoon, trust-fund rich people on CNN last year and never got an answer when I asked him why he wanted to pull up the ladder of opportunity for the rest of us who would like to become rich some day. Here’s what the Post reported on the issue:

A group of liberals got together Tuesday and proved that they, too, can have a tax rebellion. But theirs is a little bit different: They want to pay more taxes. “I’m in favor of higher taxes on people like me,” declared Eric Schoenberg, who is sitting on an investment banking fortune. He complained about “my absurdly low tax rates.” “We’re calling on other wealthy taxpayers to join us,” said paper-mill heir Mike Lapham, “to send the message to Congress and President Obama that it’s time to roll back the tax cuts on upper-income taxpayers.” …”The Obama plan we don’t think goes far enough,” Lapham protested. … They are among 50 families with net assets of more than $1 million to take a “tax fairness” pledge — donating the amount they saved from Bush tax cuts to organizations fighting for the repeal of the Bush tax cuts. According to a study by Spectrem Group, 7.8 million households in the United States have assets of more than $1 million — so that leaves 7,799,950 millionaire households yet to take the pledge. …Of course, if millionaires really want to pay higher taxes, there’s nothing stopping them. The Treasury Department Web site even accepts contributions by credit card to pay the public debt. …His donation will, however, ease the sense of guilt that comes with great wealth, described poignantly by the millionaires: “In 1865, my great-great-grandfather Samuel Pruyn founded a paper mill on the banks of the Hudson River in Glens Falls, New York,” Lapham explained. Judy Pigott, an industrial heiress on the call, added her wish that her income, “mostly unearned income, be taxed at a rate that returns to the common good that I have received by a privilege.” Confessed Hollender, who now runs the Seventh Generation natural products company: “I grew up in Manhattan on Park Avenue in a 10-room apartment.”

P.S. It’s also rather revealing that Massachusetts had (and maybe still has) a portion of the state tax form allowing people to pay extra tax, yet very rich statists like John Kerry decided not to pay that tax while urging higher taxes for mere peasants like you and me.

[big turkey]

asfltdncr

Mickey Rune has got it right.

No work no food.

If you can not work(AND YOUR NOT FAKING IT) then we will feed you.

The world does not owe anyone a living.

COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM are not the right answer for any country.

OBAMA LOVERS think other wise, when they take all of what is yours then I will welcome you with

open arms to the Republican or even the Independant Parties.

Go Tea Party and twist those arms for us the American People, not by popular

demand the OBAMA Slaves.

Wow his race here was once slaves and now he wants us to be slaves to taxes to support

his grandiose plans.

"Oh Lord won't you buy me a colored TV cause all my friends drive Porsches I must make amends.

Don't care who pays for it, just as long as it ain't me.

So lord won't you buy me a colored TV."

Nice little diddiy I wrote there.

BIG AL

[asfltdncr]

1)  ..., every graph went in the same direction-down, down,down.
Now the graphs are going up, up ,up for those of you that watch your 401k....

2)  I have what Congressmen have for health insurance and I'm willing to share a little for those less fortunate.

1.   I don't watch Beck or Limbaugh, but I have a 401(k) that I keep a watchful eye on.   As I recall, it didn't begin to sag noticably until well after the New Messiah convinced enough fine Americans to drink his coolaide during his campaign for presidency, which eventually and actually began bringing the market place down.  Apparently, when someone yells "the economy is failed" often enough, and loudly enough, a lot of people will indeed, think it's failed.  I, personally, didn't see the economy as "failing" at the time.  Enough other people did, and then it did.  I suspect without the continued campaign persuasion, the economy would have continued on an uptrend.  I'm not an economist by any means, but even the most uneducated knows that Presidents don't make an economy.  People do.  If enough people are convinced the sky is falling, someone will eventually bring some rocks to show and tell.   

2.  Go ahead and share your good fortune with others less fortunate than yourself.  I applaud you for this.  I do this occasionally myself.   Just don't expect to FORCE everyone around you to do the same.  That's all I ask.  I like to give what I can, when I can, at my sole discretion.   NOT YOURS.   

By "Pied Pieper", did you mean Bill Clinton?   


I'm glad you seem so giddy about several days of good return on your 401(k).  I suspect it will be short lived.  I can't find the dead horse emoticon to attach here.     

If you don't think the economy had gone south with the Pieper in the White House, why do you think the first stimulis was invoked by Paulson(with no accountability).Wall street was in the dumps.Why do you think McCain lost-he said the economy was structurally sound when in fact the country was loosing 1million jobs a month  and now-a net gain.As for " few days" of a nice run-try a year.Had you just invested in the Dow Jones Index,you would have gained over 40% as I did-and as for short-lived,keep on the sidelines why I stay invested all the way back up to DOW 14000-you remember-like it was prior to Bush leaving leaving office.By the time the economy was handed over to a democrat,the dow was down in the 6's.GM is expected to not only pay back it's loan but turn a profit.Many of the banks have paid their loans back with interest,median housing cost is back on the rise.Where do all you guys get your socialist,gloom and doom,they are coming to get me information from if not from wingnuts like Beck (the alcoholic born-again mormon)and Limbaugh(the hypocritical drug addict)or faux noise (the plagiarists).Watch CNN once in a while-read a real newspaper,listen to someone that actually knows something about the economy.You may be able to take advantage of what's in front of you if you can see it-or not.I will.
 

[fstsix]

Just cookin the books..........Big 'temporary' Gov employment with no benefits.     Despite oft-repeated claims by many economists in the establishment media that 50,000 private  jobs would be added this month, the American private sector lost 23,000 jobs in March 2010, again throwing cold water on the Obama Administration’s repeated claims that their policies are creating jobs.   Bloomberg has the story:

    Companies in the U.S. unexpectedly cut payrolls in March, according to data from a private report based on payrolls.

    The 23,000 decline was the smallest in two years and followed a revised 24,000 drop the prior month, data from ADP Employer Services showed today.

Apparently America’s companies, both big business and small business, simply do not believe that the Obama economic recovery is any more than “just words” and accordingly they are not hiring:

    Companies are still hesitant to add workers until they see sustained sales gains and are convinced the economic recovery has taken hold. Economists surveyed by Bloomberg News anticipate the government’s report April 2 will show payrolls increased by 184,000, in part due to temporary hiring by the federal government to conduct the 2010 census and because of better weather compared with February.
    …
    “The economic recovery has not been long enough or strong enough along the way yet to produce the kind of rapid employment that people are hoping for,” Joel Prakken, chairman of Macroeconomic Advisers LLC in St. Louis, which produces the figures with ADP, said in a conference call with reporters after the report.

    The ADP figures were forecast to show a gain of 40,000 jobs, according to the median estimate of 35 economists surveyed by Bloomberg. Projections ranged from a loss of 20,000 to a 100,000 gain.

Economists also predicted job creation in February 2010, and were wrong, but, amazingly, blamed the weather. The Obama Administration picked up on that weather excuse and has run with it for the entirety of March while claiming that March 2010 would see very substantial job creation. Now that ADP, the nation’s largest private payroll processor and premier private jobs data source, has “unexpectedly” shown yet more private job loss, it will be interesting to see what type of spin or excuse the Obama Administration creates to explain away the latest evidence of the failure of their economic policies.

Sadly, Americans can expect the Obama Administration to hail the coming Labor Department March 2010 jobs report as evidence of the success of their job creation policies, despite the fact that any gain there will be the result of the massive short-term (three month) hiring of census workers, not actual job creation:

    Stock fell early Wednesday after a payroll company’s report provided a sobering reminder that the job market remains weak.

    ADP said employers slashed 23,000 jobs in March. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters had forecast the report would show employers added 40,000 jobs during the month.

    The ADP report is seen as an early indicator of the Labor Department’s employment report due out Friday. However, there can be wide variations because ADP only accounts for private-sector jobs.

    Economists expect the Labor Department’s report to show employers added 190,000 jobs in March. It would be only the second monthly increase in jobs since the recession began in late 2007. The number could be somewhat inflated because the government hired temporary workers to conduct the 2010 census.

UPDATE: Ed at Hotair points to a WSJ story also using the well-worn “unexpectedly” framing for yet another piece of evidence that private sector job creation just is not occurring. Further, just yesterday Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner claimed “sustained job creation” is here as a result of Obama policies, which today’s report of private sector job loss in March 2010 unequivocally disproves:

    During an interview yesterday with CNBC, U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner said, “I think you can say generally that as the economy is getting stronger — and the economy is getting stronger. You know, we’re probably just on the verge now, of what we think to be a sustained period of job creation, finally.”

    The Obama administration will keep up its efforts to “reinforce that recovery” and also preserve recent gains in financial stability, Geithner also said.

As it is almost certain the hundreds of thousands of three-month temporary Census worker jobs will result in an overall jobs report that shows job creation in March 2010 on Friday (the DOL release), it is clear from the ADP data today that sustainable, private sector job creation has not been spurred by 14 months of Obama economic policies, notwithstanding Obama Administration commentary from Geithner and others. Even CNBC, well-known Obama Administration cheerleaders, admits this:

    ADP said employers slashed 23,000 jobs from payrolls in March, which came as a surprise to economists, who had expected to 50,000 jobs were added last month.

    The ADP report is closely watched ahead of the government’s jobs report on Friday. Economists currently expect that report to show 200,000 jobs were added to nonfarm payrolls in March. And, that report could still show job growth, largely due to heavy hiring of government workers to conduct the Census.

The bottom line is that the establishment media will ignore the ADP private sector jobs report from today, and herald Friday’s DOL report as evidence that the Obama Administration jobs policies have succeeded, despite the clear evidence to contrary that only temporary Census workers will artificially push up the jobs numbers. The key question now is whether the American people, who feel the pain of continued private sector job loss every day, will buy what the Administration and establishment media are selling.

[big turkey]

Not surprising on the jobs lost claim.

When you start the crap on public television that Obama Hitlerites( yes Hitler was a socialist)
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have been dishing out.

Nationalization is a good sign or precursor to Socialism, GM, Banks, Bailouts out the Wazoo.

When the guys in Washigton want to tax the rich to death( Aerosmith song EAT THE RICH)

The rich are already moving their assets elsewhere just like in Germany after WW I.

The Rothchilds comes to mind, as a group who left Germany , rich people fund concerns that us little guys work at.

So the currency devalued and the people were ripe for a payback style Gov.

You could not get enough Deutchmarks in a wheel barrow to get some bread(DEVALUED).

This is what among other things caused the Second World War.

When the government knows how to spend your money better than you do , then we are headed for trouble.

It is happening as we speak , I would not be surprised to wake up tomorrow in a Totalitarian

nation, with OBAMA at the helm.

Remeber no matter how much you try to love our African Friends, they  still don't like you and I.

This could lead to reparations for slavery and guess who pays.

This is a dangerosu time in American History, we are fleeing  from the teachings of the Constitution.

What will happen next is anybodies guess.



God Help Us All.



Big AL

 

[Varmintmist]

asfltdncr

 First, if you look at your investments, you have lost money. If you had 200, it went to 100 and is now at about 180. That is a LOSS. Once it gets even, you are going to be behind because you lost years of growth playing catch up. Trust me. I am there. I dont need CNN to tell me I took it in the shorts. Obama presided over the largest stock market fall in history and only exacerbated the problem so it became worse than it was.

Second. Is that million a month job loss a CNN "real news" figure? Because its BS. Unemployment was less than 5%. 5% unemployment is statistically full employment due to the normal ebb and flow of people changing jobs. Even CNN is telling you that its now 10% even though they quit counting the people that quit looking. We only lost 25,000 this month, yipee.

third. GM is still losing money. Yes they paid a bit back. They are losing in the showroom, and their pension fund is so far underwater that we will be bailing that out next.
BTW from CNN http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/16/news/companies/gm_results/index.htm

The General Accountability Office recently said it is unlikely that taxpayers will ever recoup all the money it invested in GM, a statement Henderson said he understood.

[Mickey Runie]

1)  ..., every graph went in the same direction-down, down,down.
Now the graphs are going up, up ,up for those of you that watch your 401k....

2)  I have what Congressmen have for health insurance and I'm willing to share a little for those less fortunate.

1.   I don't watch Beck or Limbaugh, but I have a 401(k) that I keep a watchful eye on.   As I recall, it didn't begin to sag noticably until well after the New Messiah convinced enough fine Americans to drink his coolaide during his campaign for presidency, which eventually and actually began bringing the market place down.  Apparently, when someone yells "the economy is failed" often enough, and loudly enough, a lot of people will indeed, think it's failed.  I, personally, didn't see the economy as "failing" at the time.  Enough other people did, and then it did.  I suspect without the continued campaign persuasion, the economy would have continued on an uptrend.  I'm not an economist by any means, but even the most uneducated knows that Presidents don't make an economy.  People do.  If enough people are convinced the sky is falling, someone will eventually bring some rocks to show and tell.   

2.  Go ahead and share your good fortune with others less fortunate than yourself.  I applaud you for this.  I do this occasionally myself.   Just don't expect to FORCE everyone around you to do the same.  That's all I ask.  I like to give what I can, when I can, at my sole discretion.   NOT YOURS.   

By "Pied Pieper", did you mean Bill Clinton?   


I'm glad you seem so giddy about several days of good return on your 401(k).  I suspect it will be short lived.  I can't find the dead horse emoticon to attach here.     

If you don't think the economy had gone south with the Pieper in the White House, why do you think the first stimulis was invoked by Paulson(with no accountability).Wall street was in the dumps.Why do you think McCain lost-he said the economy was structurally sound when in fact the country was loosing 1million jobs a month  and now-a net gain.As for " few days" of a nice run-try a year.Had you just invested in the Dow Jones Index,you would have gained over 40% as I did-and as for short-lived,keep on the sidelines why I stay invested all the way back up to DOW 14000-you remember-like it was prior to Bush leaving leaving office.By the time the economy was handed over to a democrat,the dow was down in the 6's.GM is expected to not only pay back it's loan but turn a profit.Many of the banks have paid their loans back with interest,median housing cost is back on the rise.Where do all you guys get your socialist,gloom and doom,they are coming to get me information from if not from wingnuts like Beck (the alcoholic born-again mormon)and Limbaugh(the hypocritical drug addict)or faux noise (the plagiarists).Watch CNN once in a while-read a real newspaper,listen to someone that actually knows something about the economy.You may be able to take advantage of what's in front of you if you can see it-or not.I will.
 

Were you called Strong Eagle in a different life, by chance?

You seem to want to argue just for the sake of arguement.  That's a sign of a truly sad individual.

Had you actually read my statement, you would realize I never said the economy hadn't fallen while GW Bush was in office.  What i said was that the economy didn't begin to fall until after your Messiah started on his "no holds barred" smear campaign to convince fine Americans, such as yourself, that the economy was "failing".  And since Presidents don't make economies, people do, ...enough people were convinced the economy was tanking, that it actually did. 

[asfltdncr]

asfltdncr

 First, if you look at your investments, you have lost money. If you had 200, it went to 100 and is now at about 180. That is a LOSS. Once it gets even, you are going to be behind because you lost years of growth playing catch up. Trust me. I am there. I dont need CNN to tell me I took it in the shorts. Obama presided over the largest stock market fall in history and only exacerbated the problem so it became worse than it was.

Second. Is that million a month job loss a CNN "real news" figure? Because its BS. Unemployment was less than 5%. 5% unemployment is statistically full employment due to the normal ebb and flow of people changing jobs. Even CNN is telling you that its now 10% even though they quit counting the people that quit looking. We only lost 25,000 this month, yipee.

third. GM is still losing money. Yes they paid a bit back. They are losing in the showroom, and their pension fund is so far underwater that we will be bailing that out next.
BTW from CNN http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/16/news/companies/gm_results/index.htm

The General Accountability Office recently said it is unlikely that taxpayers will ever recoup all the money it invested in GM, a statement Henderson said he understood.

First,I didn't lose anything on my investments.I parked them safely in 05 and sold our house when the going was good.Waited till bush got out of the white house and put money back into the market.
Second,with 75 million boomers on the verge of retirement, jobs are out there (UPS wants 25000 people now) but you have to be marketable for the market today.Keep in mind that when you have fiscal problems, you get rid of your deadwood and premadonnas first.If you're one of those,you're likely to have a long row to hoe.
Would you rather have had millions more laid off from the automotive industry?The benefits are killing the big three becasue of their grand healthcare package.Another reason for healthcare reform,so we can compete with other automotive companies throughout the world-yes-we must compete with the world now.Their figures are about $1500 per vehicle sold is for healthcare benefits.You're paying for their healthcare.

[G-Man]

and the only way they get 30 million new enrollees is by signing up ALL the illegal aliens.  Dig a little deeper y'all  you thought they was comming across before.......

Now that's just pure silliness and if I dig where you dig(limbaugh & beck)my shovel will be full of shi....

You really don't think amnesty is coming???  How will the Dems keep the Hispanic vote if they pass amnesty???

[G-Man]

I have what Congressmen have for health insurance and I'm willing to share a little for those less fortunate.

Oddly enough, the congresspeople will not have to give up their healthcare and move into the crap they just passed on the rest of us.

[Master Blaster]

For a One World Government, you first have to tear down the strongest nation in the world.  If you have designs on becomming the Supreme World Leader, you make that your first priority.  In order to accomplish this, the first thing that has to go is the Constitution, and the first step is appointing dozens of Czars to get around any little pesky thing like the Law and the Constitution.  The real power is supposed to rest in the States, not the federals, however if you grow the government big enough to take over every aspect of your life, you can reduce the nation to third world status.  Health care is a great start in that direction.  Also taking over Student Loans is the first step in controlling higher education, and what our youth are taught to believe.  Already there is signs that free speech is in danger and controll of the media and internet are being targeted.  Fortunately we have the opportunity to take back what is ours by throwing out the incumbents.  Party is no longer that revelant, the all need to go.

[asfltdncr]

For a One World Government, you first have to tear down the strongest nation in the world.  If you have designs on becomming the Supreme World Leader, you make that your first priority.  In order to accomplish this, the first thing that has to go is the Constitution, and the first step is appointing dozens of Czars to get around any little pesky thing like the Law and the Constitution.  The real power is supposed to rest in the States, not the federals, however if you grow the government big enough to take over every aspect of your life, you can reduce the nation to third world status.  Health care is a great start in that direction.  Also taking over Student Loans is the first step in controlling higher education, and what our youth are taught to believe.  Already there is signs that free speech is in danger and controll of the media and internet are being targeted.  Fortunately we have the opportunity to take back what is ours by throwing out the incumbents.  Party is no longer that revelant, the all need to go.

The term was coined by Ronald Reagan when he appointed the "Drug Czar".
Summary table - Number of czars per administration
George W. Bush 2001–2009 35 Barack Obama 2009– 38
Bush had an Abstinence Czar while he was steadily f...the country up.
No, Really-cars are high level political advisors that are senate confirmed, and then there are the "appointees".
Number of
appointees  Bush had 47 appointees (not senate confirmed) while the present administration has 8 appointees.You tell me who was getting around the pesky constitution.
Check it out.

[Serk]

asfltdncr - You seem to base everything on "Well, yeah, but Bush did it first!"

So what... I'm no fan of Bush... In fact, I'll concede he was the second worst president in history... It took a failure as big as Bush for the people to accept something as insane as the current president...

Just because the previous president did some dumb things doesn't excuse the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue from doing some downright evil things...

[big turkey]

Bush and Obama , apples compared to oranges.

The one in the White House now is only interested in controlling every aspect of our lives.

Don't let them.

You control this attitude by Voting.

If you don't vote then move over and shut up.

Cause that is the only way to defeat them right now.

Later it will be with blood and guts.

Believe me you need to vote.

If voting were not so important then why is it so many people have died for that right.

In Iraq they risk death just to vote.

Many other places as well.

Voting is the way out of this mess and God Bless all who exercise this sacred right.

Vote em out.

And vote better ones in.

They are right now spending us the US into oblivion.

"For God created all men equal, with certain rights our fore fathers said were inalianable"

 Edit - text removed.

Big Al

[big turkey]

So if our fore fathers were right and our rights come from God.

Then all Obama and his hinchmen have to do is get rid of God.

Or take over the student loan program(oops already did that) and teach against God, in Tennessee

they are doing just that in a textbook and a guy has them sued as I type this,

or teach your children to sing how good Barack Hussien Obama is(OOPs did that a few months back)

 facism for those that don't know what to call it,

looking bad for us here in the Good Ole US of A..

It's like clockwork now they are on a roll and I don't know that there's anything short of God

that can stop this steam roller we are standing in front of.

Prayer is pretty Powerful.

God Help Us

Big Al

[asfltdncr]

So Al,
Are ya'll still getting ready to go shut down all those terrorists' training camps throughout the U.S.?Oh wait, those are christian patriots.
 
I do like your music references even if we don't see eye to eye in.....well.....life in general.
Takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.

[fstsix]

Wrong again!!! so far all these American Terrorist seem to be registered Democrats just your Left wing Media going down with the ship LOL!!!! ......Media Misleads Americans About Left-Leaning Attackers Bedell, Stack and Bishop

Sunday, March 7th, 2010

John Patrick Bedell, the now-deceased deranged gunman who opened fire at police officers guarding the Pentagon, was a registered Democrat, Bush-hater and 9/11 Truther

If your only source of information was establishment media reporting, it would be easy to draw an altogether false conclusion from the recent attacks by John Patrick Bedell (Pentagon gunman) and Joseph Andrew Stack (suicide pilot) that a wave of “right wing extremism” or “tea party terrorism” is descending upon America.   This narrative is being pushed relentlessly by the establishment media, despite indisputable countervailing facts as shown in detail below.  An objective review of the writings and activities of the suspects in each of the recent horrific terrorist attacks by Americans on Americans – Joseph Andrew Stack (airplane suicide bomber), John Patrick Bedell (gunman at Pentagon), and Amy Bishop (massacred fellow professors) – unequivocally demonstrates that each of these deranged individuals actually have closer ties to the American left than any right wing group.

First, regarding John Patrick Bedell, the gunman who opened fire outside the Pentagon a few days ago, wounding two police officers in a shootout that cost Bedell his life, the establishment media essentially ignored that Bedell was a registered Democrat as of 2008, a fervent Bush/Cheney hater and a strong believer in the anti-Bush “9/11 Truth” conspiracy theory that claims Bush personally arranged for the 9/11 attacks to be committed.  Media coverage has asserted, falsely, that Bedell was a “right wing extremist” based on some anti-government internet postings by Bedell while ignoring Bedell’s indisputable status as a registered Democrat who hated Bush and a 9/11 Truther (a left wing conspiracy theory). The NYT spends several thousand words detailing Bedell’s background but fails to note his status as a registered Democrat as of 2008 or his extreme hatred for former President Bush and VP Cheney.  The seminal article pushing the “right wing extremist” narrative in the Christian Science Monitor expressly states Bedell is a right wing extremist while also dishonestly censoring any reference to Bedell’s status as a registered Democrat or Bush/Cheney hater.

Suicide Pilot Joe Stack Concluded His Suicide Note by Praising Communism and Condemning Capitalism

Similarly, suicide pilot Joseph Andrew Stack, who flew his small plane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas a few weeks ago, was famously labeled the “first tea party terrorist” by the narrative-setting, highly ideological New York Times. The facts, of course, point in a different direction as Stack’s suicide note conclusion strongly praises Communism while attacking Capitalism – views that no tea party protester hold and views that are certainly more in line with the American left than any right wing ideology. The Washington Post, New York Times, Christian Science Monitor and CNN went so far as to censor the final lines of Stack’s suicide note (which praised Communism and attacked Capitalism) and instead falsely and dishonestly reported that Stack concluded his suicide note with an anti-IRS threat on the day of the incident. The final two lines of Stack’s suicide note, which apparently did not exist according to the American media, were as follows:

    The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

    The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Further, the seminal opinion piece claiming that Stack was the “first tea party terrorist” in the New York Times also dishonestly omits any reference to Stack’s far left statements in praise of Communism as well as Stack’s hatred for Bush and attacks on drug and insurance companies that echo Democratic talking points in furtherance of the false, yet preferred “right wing extremist” narrative.

Accordingly, a casual observer of establishment media reports on Bedell and Stack would conclude, falsely, that both were “right wing extremists” despite the indisputable facts that both men strongly hated the former Republican Bush/Cheney Administration while one (Stack) was a proponent of Communism and another (Bedell) was a registered Democrat. While it is true that both men engaged in anti-government rantings, such rantings alone do not prove that either man was a “right wing extremist”.  Neither man was a registered Republican or had any history of tea party activism or right wing activism, yet the establishment media made exactly those claims in its “reporting”. Such intentionally misleading reporting by the establishment media on Bedell and Stack are examples of the most odious aspects of the establishment media’s strong left wing bias in its reporting.

Former Professor Amy Bishop, who murdered three colleagues and injured others at a faculty meeting, is a "far left political extremist" who was "obsessed" with expressing support for President Obama to friends and family

A final example, mass murdering Professor Amy Bishop, also demonstrates the establishment media’s strong left wing bias in its reporting of terrorist or extremist attacks in the United States by Americans against Americans. Bishop opened fire on her longtime professorial colleagues in a department meeting at an Alabama university, killing three and wounding several more until her gun jammed and she fled the horrific scene. Bishop came from a well-connected liberal family in Boston and was “a far-left political extremist who was ‘obsessed’ with President Barack Obama to the point of being off-putting.” It bears mentioning that if either Bedell, Stack or Bishop were registered Republicans or strong Bush supporters, those facts would have probably led the establishment media’s reporting of the incidents themselves. While ignoring Bishop’s political leanings in all of its reporting on Bishop, and declining to issue editorials about “left wing extremism” regarding Bishop’s horrific rampage, the NYT did report on the execution-style murders by Bishop, halting only when her gun jammed:

    In an e-mail message describing the event, another professor, Joseph Ng, wrote, “She started with the one closest to her and went down the row shooting her targets in the head.” He continued: “Blood was everywhere with crying and moaning. We were in a pool of blood in disbelief of what had happened.” The message was published on the Web site of The Orange County Register after Dr. Ng, who had not intended to make it public, sent it to a friend.

    Dr. Ng, Dr. Moriarity and the others on the far end of the room dove under the conference table. Dr. Moriarity crawled over to Dr. Bishop and grabbed her by the leg, yelling, “Amy, think about my grandson! Think about my daughter! I helped you, I helped you before, and I’ll help you now,” she said.

    Dr. Moriarity said she had often acted as a “sounding board” for Dr. Bishop and had given her advice when she came up for tenure.

    But in the room, any such relationship seemed forgotten. Dr. Bishop shook Dr. Moriarty off, turned, and pointed the gun down at her. “She looked at me and fired — and it clicked,” Dr. Moriarity said.

    Dr. Bishop did not speak, Dr. Moriarity said. “She just looked angry,” she said. “The expression on her face never changed. Until the gun jammed — the last expression I saw was more of a perplexed look.”

Indeed, the NYT spends literally 1000’s of words describing every detail of Bishop’s life, yet somehow fails to even address Bishop’s political leanings. This glaring omission of reporting by the NYT in the Bishop case, as compared to the NYT’s relentless pushing of the “right wing extremist” narrative regarding the Stack and Bedell cases, clearly demonstrates the left wing, ideological filter the NYT applies to its reporting. Following the lead of the Times, in contrast to the Bedell and Stack reporting, which primarily focused on the political leanings of the deranged attackers, the Bishop establishment media coverage  ignored Bishop’s indisputably left wing political leanings and express, enthusiastic support for President Obama.

While we believe that no political party or politician deserves any blame for the actions of deranged individuals such as Bedell, Stack and Bishop, the American left’s use of these recent terrorist or extremist incidents to “prove” that a wave of “right wing extremist” or “tea party terrorist” attacks are hitting America is intentionally dishonest and appears motivated by a left wing ideological desire to use the tragic incidents to score political points against Republicans as the high-stakes partisan debate over health care unfolds in Washington, D.C. Considering the dishonest cherry-picking of facts by the establishment media in their relentless efforts to portray Stack and Bedell as “right wing extremists”, the media’s failure to report, let alone pursue, the clear indications that Bishop was a “far left political extremist” is clear evidence of untoward ideological left-wing bias and screening at work in today’s media reporting to the American people. One can only hope that Americans are not taken by the dishonest, ideological narrative creation engaged in by the likes of the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN and Christian Science Monitor and instead the media is shamed into reporting all the facts on these matters.

UPDATE: The Christian Science Monitor is now trying to back away from its ridiculous claim that Bedell is a “right wing extremist”.

 

[fstsix]

So Al,
Are ya'll still getting ready to go shut down all those terrorists' training camps throughout the U.S.?Oh wait, those are christian patriots.
 
I do like your music references even if we don't see eye to eye in.....well.....life in general.
Takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.

Are you on Meds? if so please tell us so we will be easy on ya 

[therapist]

Politics and religion...debating either is a waste of energy.  If someone already believes as you do, you are preaching to the choir.  If they don't, you don't have a chance to change their mind. 

Also, the awful spelling doesn't exactly help your credibility...get a spell checker. 

http://www.iespell.com/

[big turkey]

Well then.

This is a fine kettle of fish.

Just mention God, or Heaven Help Jesus in a post.

And forgive me but all hell breaks loose.

Spell Check is irrelavant  in this case.

Truth will thin out the herd a bit so if the truth is bothering you look within.

That could be the place we all need to look in the coming months and years.

Al

[big turkey]

As far as the Meds thing goes, does that diminish ones IQ.

I think you just offended about 33% of the people who read these posts.

That is about how many in our population take anti-depressants and sleep aids and other

things to cope with getting old, desease, heart problems from birth, or even injuries.

That is the last straw, so as a Christian I declare right now I love all of you and will

forgive anything 7 x 70 and on and on.

Forgiveness is key to all of our woes, God is really in charge, not us as we in vain try to steer

through this life.

But I believe the freedoms we enjoy and the rights we profess not to impose undue stress on

any one group or persons a civil rights violation, or take away any of thier freedoms.

Constitutionallly speaking of course.

This is what that is in question on the latest legislation to curb our freedoms and march rough shod over our constitution.

they must be stopped and stopped they must be.

Freedom is where it's at man and nothing less.

Live free or die is the thing we need again.

Big Al

[RoadKill]

I think fstsix was askin about Asfltdncr's coolaide laced medication, BigAl. I still drink my med's ,But not with the damn koolaid  And good on you for doing neither