Support Group

[big turkey]

 

Need some Ides to start up a support group for all those people tempted to put car tires on

thier motorcycles.

You can call it common sense or something like that.

I Will be forever known as Al supporter of all that would not be drawn to the Dark Ages , Or Dark Side

what ever they call it.

I wonder if your insurance would be cancelled for installing non compliant or code breaking

equipment on a motorcycle.

Insurance companies love to deny claims for one reason or another, this could be huge.

Not many places will install a car tire on a motorcycle rim, risk losing thier insurance at the business.

Big Al , Helper to all that are tempted to the Dark Side just to save a buck.

I am having fun with this idea, please don't be offendeed.

Big Al

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

 You should have been here 10 or 11 years ago when this was a topic of interest. Folks have logged hundreds of thousands of miles on the DarkSide nothing you say will change that.Truth is this has been beat to death here and the numbers keep growing. It's my bike I'll mount what I want on it just like you will do on your bike.....Ride On  

[wizard -vrccds#125]

LET THOES THAT RIDE DECIDE ! Maybe you need the group ?

[Willow]

I'm offended.  Im offended because you've beat the same drum until it's just about worn out.    

Three words of advice.    Let it go.     

[therapist]

I am having fun with this idea, please don't be offendeed.


I'm actually more offended by the poor spelling throughout your post   

[fudgie]

Joe, Wizard, and willow. Good advise.  Maybe Al is contemplating on putting on a CT. Hmmmm....Maybe he wants someone to talk him out of it.    I bet he'll do it in a year or 2. 

Al, I thought about it for 2 -3 years before I did it. I wish I would have done it then.  Woulda saved me $700 

[Serk]

While I wasn't quite as public with my derision, I too used to privately laugh at those freaking idiots that were putting car tires on their bikes... Don't they know that can't work???

Years went by... I kept shelling out the higher and higher prices for the motorcycle rear tires, and kept noticing more and more people were putting more and more mile son car tires...

...and it wasn't just the bleeding edge crazy folks either that were doing it...

Riders I knew were doing it. Riders I respect were doing it. And riding. A lot.

The reports of flaming death were greatly exaggerated...

Took me a few years to finally come around, but I have no intention of ever going back to an overpriced low mileage lower traction motorcycle tire on the Valk!

...now if I could only find a car tire that'd fit the spousal unit's ST1300...

[fstsix]

35 years ago and still alive and OLD news 1975 1080 cc Cobra, CAR TIRE NOT Cheap to do back then 

[6jugzz]

Now I'm not taking sides,but................ I can remember when we would run out of tolet paper and my dad would throw a Sears cataloge in the out house, boy was I glad to get them Hockey tickets back! It was cheaper,and it kinda made you feel fancy and those colored, glossy papers would work, but it just didn't feel right, you just couldn't lay over and get it all in one pass.



"Just kindin"

[Steve K (IA)]

I'm past needing a support group.  I been to the dark age and seen the light!    I now know why they make M/C specific tires.   When a tire tries to shoot you into the ditch or into oncoming traffic when you least expect it, the experiment is over.   Run what you want. 

[R J]

Hey Steve, did Laura have trouble riding that Burple on with the car tire?

I know ya had a HARD sidewall Dunlap on it memory serves me correctly.
Cause I was going to buy it off of ya till I found out the brand.....

Good Year Triple Tread.......

[Steve K (IA)]

Laura wouldn't admit that it scared the ever lovin' sh:t out of her until after I took it off....she couldn't thank me enough.  Just ask her.

If I ever go down in a flaming death, it won't be because of the tire I have on back.

Like I said.  Run what you want.  

[Tundra]

I'm over the subject,
  I spent two years researching before I converted. I get folks asking me all the time about it, the intelligent ones (you can tell) I will share with and give some information and resources for their own research.
  Then on the other hand, some seem to want to pick a C/T fight, it never works out well. Kind of like trying to convert a Muslim to Christianity or visa versa. Now I rarely respond at all, If their negative I'll just respond, "It ain't for everybody" some just can't handle it.

The last series of ride pics I posted was at "Sleepy Hollow". A famous Florida Motorcycle gathering spot in the woods. While there I heard two guys standing right next to me talking about my C/T. "What a fool", "dangerous", "what kind of idiot would do that"? I didn't even enter the conversation, just gets my blood boiling. When I was leaving I heard them say, "thats the guy with the C/T, he was standing right next to us" "Do you think he heard us"?  I slid my clutch out and let the CAR TIRE throw a load of mulch in their direction.

[fstsix]

well.....i guess i do feel bad about the car tire Haters......when i am out riding 4 -5 years on the same  tire, they would be sitting it the garage pulling their bags and running around town or waiting on the UPS truck to bring rear tire # 3-4-5 or how ever many cheap a$$ MC tires that wont hold up to the weight and power of the Valk, So if i am guilty of anything safety wise.....that would be 'Not' constantly checking the Car tire to see if CORDS are showing AGAIN LOL!!!!!! Ride safe.

[Jabba]

I was a long time, (silent) believer that a "car tire can't be better than a MC tire".  In my opinion I was right.  they are not better.  Frankly, I can't tell the difference.  It's all about the sweet spot in the air pressure in my opinion.  Mine is 32 psi alone, and 36 psi with my SO.  Seriously, I canot tell the difference between the CT and the old Metzler 880.  It cost me $105 instead of $400.  And it'll last longer, I hope. 

You know what finally convinced me?  Smokin' Joe.  I could not HOPE to keep up with that guy in the twisties, when he's on a valk with a CT and I am on my valk with a MCT.  That and his testimony that he's crashed 2 times with a CT on the bike, and BOTH times it was the FRONT tire that let go.  And some videos from under a Valk showing how the CT flexes in the corners... and maintains a nce contact patch.  I have been peg-dragging both 1 and 2 up on the CT and feel pretty good about it.  And the stopping power from the rear tire is noticibly better too.

Jabba

[Misfit]

I was a long time, (silent) believer that a "car tire can't be better than a MC tire".  In my opinion I was right.  they are not better.  Frankly, I can't tell the difference.  It's all about the sweet spot in the air pressure in my opinion.  Mine is 32 psi alone, and 36 psi with my SO.  Seriously, I canot tell the difference between the CT and the old Metzler 880.  It cost me $105 instead of $400.  And it'll last longer, I hope. 

You know what finally convinced me?  Smokin' Joe.  I could not HOPE to keep up with that guy in the twisties, when he's on a valk with a CT and I am on my valk with a MCT.  That and his testimony that he's crashed 2 times with a CT on the bike, and BOTH times it was the FRONT tire that let go.  And some videos from under a Valk showing how the CT flexes in the corners... and maintains a nce contact patch.  I have been peg-dragging both 1 and 2 up on the CT and feel pretty good about it.  And the stopping power from the rear tire is noticibly better too.

Jabba

It cost me $105 instead of $400.  And it'll last longer, I hope. 
Just wondering where you buy your mc tires. At 400.00 a tire I think they saw you coming.

[Serk]

Just wondering where you buy your mc tires. At 400.00 a tire I think they saw you coming.

$400 (Including labor) is what I paid for my last motorcycle tire, and what finally convinced me to go to the Dark Side...

I knew it was high way robbery, but I was in the middle of a trip into the middle of no where in West Texas, they were the only bike shop in several hundred miles that had the tire I needed, and THEY knew it, and I'd just limped the Valk in stopping every 20 miles to air the quickly deflating rear tire back up to get me there...

There are times you can shop around for a better deal, and times you're happy to be robbed just for the opportunity to get back on the road...

[big turkey]

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I'm past needing a support group.  I been to the dark age and seen the light!    I now know why they make M/C specific tires.   When a tire tries to shoot you into the ditch or into oncoming traffic when you least expect it, the experiment is over.   Run what you want.   
 
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 I have rode three bikes wiht car tire installed on the back.

I was a novelty and did not like he expreience at all.

So I am not basing my theory on fiction but fact and some people run synthetic oil,

and some people run Dino Oil and then theres Ford and Chevey Rivalries.


Harley verse a jap bike and on and on.

Every bdy has there favs. but this tthing of a motorcycle tire on a motorcycel is a one up's manship that will go on forever.

Wow he is running a Car tire and it gets peope; talking , Conversation piece I guess.

But with the spline touble on the Valk , I can't help but think that it would put more stress on the rear diff, and cause thefront tire to push in the corners.

Al

[ArmyValker]

I put a car tire on the back AND the front. Handles wonderfully. 

[Duckwheat]

I am still debating what oil to use.

DW

[vanagon40]

[hubcapsc]

I am still debating what oil to use.

Should I tow my Harley with a Chevy or a Ford?

-Mike

[RoboCop]

If you can't get enough of this fascinating topic, there's a 50 page thread on the FJR forum

http://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=112537&hl=car tire

[Willow]

  I have rode three bikes wiht car tire installed on the back.

I was a novelty and did not like he expreience at all.

So I am not basing my theory on fiction but fact and some people run synthetic oil,

...

Harley verse a jap bike and on and on.

Just for the record, Al, a few rides on a car tired Valk don't give ant credence to your rather wild speculations.   

As an aside, friend, I'm trying to give you a lot of latitude based upon my belief of your hurdles to be overcome, but the use of the term "jap bike" on this forum is likely to get that latitude significantly reduced.

How's my transmission? 

[alph]

If I were to take a long, straight ride for a few thousand miles, I’d seriously would want a CT.  Simply because they'll easily outlast a cycle tire and you're not going to be doing a lot of twisties.

I’m not experienced with a CT at all, but I really don't think I would need a support group to tell me not to do it.  Usually support groups are for druggies that don't want to do drugs anymore but can't find the strength to say no to the appeal of drugs.  

So if I understand you correctly, having a CT is extremely exhilarating, and is bad for you?  That’s why you want to start a support group!  You’ve ridden a cycle with a CT and you can’t say no to the drug!!

Wow.  It all makes sense to me now.

Just say no to cars, they have four!  One CT is enough!

Now if I could only remember where I put my meth?

[big turkey]

OK I'll use the word Metric bike if that will not offend anybody then good for all.

No disrespect was meant to any one.

Car tires can be had cheaper.

But just like a helmet, the salesman will ask you If you have a fifty dollar head, get a fifty dollar helmet.

If your ARSE is worth about anywhere from 105 to 150 dollars then run the cheaper tire.

I'm just saying.

I am a good speller but a bad typist.

Pretty weather here and getting niceer by the minute.



No offence meant to anyonw.

AL

[fudgie]

But just like a helmet, the salesman will ask you If you have a fifty dollar head, get a fifty dollar helmet.

I have a $5 dollar head. Just bought this hat 20 min prior to the ride. 

I'm not offended Al. It takes alot for me. Your post bring some humor to the board.

[LandElephant]

Big Al,

OK unseat the hook and release the tension on the reel AL.  You've been riding with Joe all these years........  not biting this crap.

Charlie
Land Elephant

[Spirited-6]

  I remember some time back I posted my "VIEWS" on a CT on a Motorcycle.  DAMN, I think there were several "CONTRACTS" put out on me. SO, I don`t think I will go there again. Ride on. 

[Jabba]

I am a Libertarian.  I think people should be able to do what they want.

I wanted a car tire. 

Someone that doesn't want one... is allowed to NOT have one. 

Just like guns... I want 'em, but I don't think someone else should HAVE to have 'em.  Just leave MINE alone.

Hell, I'll ride with ANYONE.  I did a couple hundred miles over the weekend with a Sabre, a Bandit and a Busa.  One of them even had rainbow stickers on it. 

Jabba 

[Gryphon Rider]

But with the spline touble on the Valk , I can't help but think that it would put more stress on the rear diff, and cause thefront tire to push in the corners.

Al

I would guess that better than 99% of motorcycles with differentials have TWO car tires on the back.  A car tire might put more weight on the left bearing while leaning left, and the right bearing while leaning right, and might put a little more torsional stress on the swing arm, but I can't think of any reason why it would put more stress on the final drive.  Well...maybe the extra traction will put more stress on the entire drive train!

[fstsix]

What's the rainbow sticker for?

[alph]

love.
problem is, it's man love.....

[fudgie]

love.
problem is, it's man love.....

Not neccesarily. 

[fstsix]

i thought maybe Irish  ???   

[Jabba]

It's a homo add.  either man y man or woman y woman.  In this case it was a gay co-worker.

Like I said... I believe in freedom for ALL, not just freedom for those who agree with ME.

Jabba

[alph]

i like the support group idea!  i can see it now!

Hi, my name is Al, and i'm a CT-oholic.....

HI AL........


i've been on a MC-tire for 2 weeks now......  


ALph

[Gear Jammer]

Hi, my name is GearJammer, and, and, and I just bought a Toyo Proxes T1s for MAGNUM .         I know now that I have a problem,   and I'm giving myself up to a higher power to help me out of this abyss?         So any of you higher power guys now where a I can get a CT mounted in Houston area?  That would help me in sooooo many ways.     I may also need an intervention phonecall buddy to help me through the dark hours I face ahead removing the rear wheel    I'm happy to have found this support group, and I know I can count on all ya'll to help me through this.  Thanks Al, You da' man  

[big turkey]

Dear Gear Jammer, YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY

I would guess that better than 99% of motorcycles with differentials have TWO car tires on the back.  A car tire might put more weight on the left bearing while leaning left, and the right bearing while leaning right, and might put a little more torsional stress on the swing arm, but I can't think of any reason why it would put more stress on the final drive.  Well...maybe the extra traction will put more stress on the entire drive train!
 

 
This ole boy here put it best and in a straight line the traction is the Diff Killer in this

homocide case of CT desease.

THESE BIKES EXHIBIT MONSTER TORQUE IN A STRAIGHT LINE AND THAT IS MY OTHER POINT OF TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON THE DIFF.

Everybody knows this IS true just won't admit it.



 YES A LOT OF MY POSTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY .


gET TOUNGUES WAGGING AND THE LIKE.

ANY ONE WHO KNOWS ME WILL TELL YOU I WOULD GIVE YOU THE SHIRT OFF MY BACK IF I THOUGHT

YOU NEEDED IT.

mY DAD IS THE SAME WAY , YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AS HIS SON HE WILL GIVE YOU ANYTHING YOU ADMIRE THAT IS HIS.

 MY FRIENDS, HE IS ONE HELL OF A DAD.

I WISH EVERYONE HAD ONE LIKE HIM.

MY MOTHER IS NOT QUIETE THAT GOOD BUT PRETTY DARN CLOSE.

GOD BLESS ALL AND ROCK ON VALKYRIE GANG.

BIG AL

[fudgie]

I dont see how it puts more weight on either bearing vs a mc tire. I have more room tween the swingarm to the tire now then when I had my Metz. They are very close in the same diameter, down to a mm or 2, imho. The contact patch on the 200 metz was 3 1/2" and my CT is 4 1/2".