Will the message be lost?

[f6john]

     It matters little which side of the middle you lean to, this election should be a wake up call to Republicans, Democrats, and what I prefer to call the Elitist which are politicians who feel that the average American really needs someone to tell them what they need, when they need it, and how much it will cost. The Elitist is probably the largest political group in America, they just can't agree on who is the most elite. Those who scoff at the Tea party movement may want to take a second look, not at the Tea party, but at the movement. In other threads some rail against the big business corporate takeover of America, while others warn of the impending socialist takeover. Both are real concerns, but I don't trust the individual parties of either side to do the "right thing" on their own. My hat is off to those who have decided to join the "movement" and make their voices heard. I don't expect any overnight success stories from the shift of power in Congress. It could take a couple more cycles before we start to see if the message is getting through.
     I am proud to have done my part to send  a message today from Kentucky.

[Flat6Valk]

excellent post.  Yes it will take time to right the wrong.  I hope that education is part of the plan.  Im not talking about k-12.  I am talking about educating the people about how this nation was founded and what the Constitution means and how it protects freedom and liberty.  Educate why government should be limited in scope.  Like Patrick Henry said "_____________"(fill in the blank and think about what it means).

[Robert]

 

[NCGhostrider]

Yes, I agree!  A message has been sent, I hope they hear it and remember!  I just wonder what kind of deals and backdoor offerings are being conjured up to sway the "new guys."  I hope I am wrong....  And in 2 years, we will do it again! 

[alph]

I don’t know what to think.  Part of me says, it doesn’t matter, taxes will still go up, Wisconsin will probably always be one of the top ten highest taxed states in America, our national debt WILL NOT go down.  In two years we’ll hear all the negative adds once again.  Through all that, there’s hope.  Maybe, just maybe, there might be some change.  

I don’t pray, but, I do hope for the best  for America..
 

[Rams]

    It could take a couple more cycles before we start to see if the message is getting through.
     I am proud to have done my part to send  a message today from Kentucky.

I agree and thank you for participating.  That message needs to be repeatedly sent to our elected leaders to remind them who they work for.  

blackrams

[solo1]

I hope that the Republicans don't regard this as a mandate and business as usual, it isn't. 
The Republican party is on probation .  If they don't listen there will be a third party that will incorporate itself into he Republican party and they will listen.
Wistfull thinking? I hope not.

[GreenLantern57]

Sadly, those in power, Dem or Rep, think they know better than us all!  I really do not have faith in federal govenment.  Time and time again, I have put my faith in our democratic process and only a few have come through. 

Still, I cannot give up! I have grandkids to spoil! 

[Alaskamike]

If you (Like me) are conservative... it is no time to gloat that's for sure.   It's time to get to work and make the government and our rep's accountable to the principles we believe in.

I want to gloat........... I really do..... but I will restrain myself.....

[Charlie]

     It matters little which side of the middle you lean to, this election should be a wake up call to Republicans, Democrats, and what I prefer to call the Elitist which are politicians who feel that the average American really needs someone to tell them what they need, when they need it, and how much it will cost. The Elitist is probably the largest political group in America, they just can't agree on who is the most elite. Those who scoff at the Tea party movement may want to take a second look, not at the Tea party, but at the movement. In other threads some rail against the big business corporate takeover of America, while others warn of the impending socialist takeover. Both are real concerns, but I don't trust the individual parties of either side to do the "right thing" on their own. My hat is off to those who have decided to join the "movement" and make their voices heard. I don't expect any overnight success stories from the shift of power in Congress. It could take a couple more cycles before we start to see if the message is getting through.
     I am proud to have done my part to send  a message today from Kentucky.

Brother, I tend to lean towards the middle, but can not agree with you more. 

I have always said the problem with our two party system is that neither represents the majority.  The Democrats have always had two or three factions within the party, all quite different than the other.  The Republicans of the past were much more united in their beliefs.  Unfortunately, they too have divided into two or three factions, all having different agendas.  We are screwed if this is allowed to continue. 

Give and take is the only answer, and if our representatives do not learn how to turn off the party agendas, we do not have a chance of success within this system.  If you want real change, this is the message that has to be sent to them.  That means, in the next election, ignore both parties and look for a third party canidate that can give you the most of what you want.

[Skinhead]

Doesn't it seem strange that we have 50 contestants for Miss America and 2 contestants for POTUS?

[ILcruiser]

For a message to be lost, it has to be gotten in the first place.

[x]

Strange, what the Gamma's and the Epsilon's think is the right way to do things.  Should they even be allowed to vote?

[Valkahuna]

Excellent post! 

I also agree with others that say that this was not a mandate for the Republican party. It was a victory for the elecorate, and a reminder that we CAN control the process if we become involved.

What scares me is that ALL politicians seem to have amnesia somewhere between the election process and being sworn in, and that won't change. Neither will the need for us to remain a part of the process.

The real responsibility lies with all of us to remain vigilant, stay involved, and most of all not to revert back to being silent with our thoughts and displeasure. It's kind of like raising our children in that if you reamain quiet when they do things wrong, that they will either think that we don't care, or that we condone what they are doing.

Politicians are like children in this regard, only that children are smarter and typically "get it" quicker.

Our country can only function with a "Representative" form of Government if we give our representatives the "blueprint" of what we want to be represented. And then, if they don't listen we vote them out of office!

[Jabba]

www.fairtax.org

If you're not familiar with this... read up.  I think it's the BEST thing we could do right now, both for our economy AND our political process.

The adds the DNCC was running alleging that candidates wanted to raise taxes by 23% on everything you buy was disgusting.  Totally disgusting.  I will NEVER again trust a Democrat political add, not that I trust Republican adds either.

Jabba

[G-Man]

What scares me is that ALL politicians seem to have amnesia somewhere between the election process and being sworn in, and that won't change.

Have ypu heard any of Obama's speaches since the election.  He says he's gonna reach across the aisle. seek others thoughts and opinions, Include the others in all discussions.  Didn't he PROMISE that the last time???  Oh, right, this time he really means it.   

[MP]

What scares me is that ALL politicians seem to have amnesia somewhere between the election process and being sworn in, and that won't change.

Have ypu heard any of Obama's speaches since the election.  He says he's gonna reach across the aisle. seek others thoughts and opinions, Include the others in all discussions.  Didn't he PROMISE that the last time???  Oh, right, this time he really means it.   

All the promises Obama keeps making, and then breaking, remind me of Lucy telling Charlie Brown that THIS time she will really hold the football for him to kick, and of course, she pulls it away every time.

[big turkey]

All legal voters should be allowed to vote.

Gamma and Epsilons as well.

Rednecks

Bankers

Housewives  and the like are a little smarter but all should be allowed to vote.

Al the Eleteist has spoken.

[Trynt]

After listening to Pres. Obama's speech yesterday, he seems to be in a state of denial.  He thinks it is all about unemployment and the economy.  The reason for the election results also include governmental over reach, its response to immigration, and a generally left wing path.  Obama made the mistake of thinking his election was an endorsement of a "progressive" agenda.  It was not.  It was a repudiation of the George Bush administration. The republicans would be mistaken to think this election endorses of them. It was the only means to stop the Obama agenda.

[Pete]

True professionial politicos do not get it, will not get it and if they did they would not understand it. It is beyond there true pay grade.

I suspect the typical professional politico------ the repubs are stupid and dems are crooks.

You cannot fix stupid and crooks should be in jail.

The founding fathers did not want a professional political class and now you know why.
The whole political play house must be dismantled and made non-personal-profitable.

The founding fathers were smart they wanted citizen politicions, folks with a job that served the people part time without personal gain.  Lets restore that.

[RoadKill]

After listening to Pres. Obama's speech yesterday, he seems to be in a state of denial.  He thinks it is all about unemployment and the economy.  The reason for the election results also include governmental over reach, its response to immigration, and a generally left wing path.  Obama made the mistake of thinking his election was an endorsement of a "progressive" agenda.  It was not.  It was a repudiation of the George Bush administration. The republicans would be mistaken to think this election endorses of them. It was the only means to stop the Obama agenda.

"It was the only means to stop the Obama agenda. "

+1   

[NCGhostrider]

True professionial politicos do not get it, will not get it and if they did they would not understand it. It is beyond there true pay grade.

I suspect the typical professional politico------ the repubs are stupid and dems are crooks.

You cannot fix stupid and crooks should be in jail.

The founding fathers did not want a professional political class and now you know why.
The whole political play house must be dismantled and made non-personal-profitable.

The founding fathers were smart they wanted citizen politicions, folks with a job that served the people part time without personal gain.  Lets restore that.

  

[Jabba]

The founding fathers were smart they wanted citizen politicions, folks with a job that served the people part time without personal gain.  Lets restore that.

Pete... I agree with you.

Are you ready to put your job, and life on hold, and go to Washington for a few years to serve, for free?

Jabba

[Charlie]

What scares me is that ALL politicians seem to have amnesia somewhere between the election process and being sworn in, and that won't change.

Have ypu heard any of Obama's speaches since the election.  He says he's gonna reach across the aisle. seek others thoughts and opinions, Include the others in all discussions.  Didn't he PROMISE that the last time???  Oh, right, this time he really means it.   

I laugh when I hear those comments.  Come to think of it, I laughed when I heard them in 2006 from Bush when both the House and Senate became controlled by the Dems.  It is all politics, guys.  It has nothing to do with truth.

[valkmc]

Excellent post! 

I also agree with others that say that this was not a mandate for the Republican party. It was a victory for the elecorate, and a reminder that we CAN control the process if we become involved.

What scares me is that ALL politicians seem to have amnesia somewhere between the election process and being sworn in, and that won't change. Neither will the need for us to remain a part of the process.

The real responsibility lies with all of us to remain vigilant, stay involved, and most of all not to revert back to being silent with our thoughts and displeasure. It's kind of like raising our children in that if you reamain quiet when they do things wrong, that they will either think that we don't care, or that we condone what they are doing.

Politicians are like children in this regard, only that children are smarter and typically "get it" quicker.

Our country can only function with a "Representative" form of Government if we give our representatives the "blueprint" of what we want to be represented. And then, if they don't listen we vote them out of office!

I also agree the people are trying to send a message, here is the problem as I see it. Yes the Republicans got a great victory however why were they in the minority in Washington? They were not in power because when they had the power they screwed up and the middle of the electorate voted for Obama, now he has screwed up in the eyes of the moderates and we are back to another chance for the Republicans. Back and forth, two messages that are outside what moderates seem to vote for  compete for the middle with niether side making them happy.  Hopefully something will come of this change, I tend to believe the far right will go to far, moderates will get scared and eventually the Dems will get a great victory like the Reppublicans just did.  Politics as usual, the cycle continues.

[Jabba]

I am tired of it, and want something fundamentally different.

I am invested in political reform for the long haul.

I have been actively Libertarian for 5 or 6 years now, and won't stop till I have a better option, or Libertarians start winning.

Jabba

[Alaskamike]

I have to agree that this is NOT about the economy.  This is NOT about the Democrats being unable to sell their agenda.... or explain it properly.  It is not, as President Obama said, because they were in a "hurry"; so much so they couldn't bother to actually read the bills they were passing.

No.  This is about policy, principle, and political philosophy.    President Obama keeps saying the government must "create jobs". Every time he, or anyone else says that it gives me a sick sensation that we are really not going to recover from this slide into socialism.

It is NOT the government's job to create jobs. For crying out loud, if they "create" any more jobs, than the 1,000'ds he's already added, with Czars. staff, commissions, etc.,  we'll just get deeper and deeper into the lost hole of debt.

This is the problem.  We as American's have forgotten what our government is supposed to do, because they are so busy telling us what we often just want to hear, or we are so enamored with handouts we cannot think like free men anymore

Those who believe in freedom,   do not “weary of doing good”,  do not give up the fight.   It has only just begun.

[Willow]

It is NOT the government's job to create jobs. For crying out loud, if they "create" any more jobs, than the 1,000'ds he's already added, with Czars. staff, commissions, etc.,  we'll just get deeper and deeper into the lost hole of debt.

In fairness to the President, when he speaks of "creating jobs", he's not talking about more government employees, he's talking about enacting government policies that will result in stimulating the private sector.

The point that occurs to me when when ask, "Will the message be lost?" is which message?  Although there is a significant block of voters who cast votes against the incumbents for very specific reasons, there are also a number of other blocks of voters who are driven by other reasons, some similar and some quite different.

I believe if you ask ten voters what message was sent by the election, you'd get seven different answers, although they would all have a common theme of dislike for something that the current Congress and administration has been doing.

[Charlie]

It is NOT the government's job to create jobs. For crying out loud, if they "create" any more jobs, than the 1,000'ds he's already added, with Czars. staff, commissions, etc.,  we'll just get deeper and deeper into the lost hole of debt.

In fairness to the President, when he speaks of "creating jobs", he's not talking about more government employees, he's talking about enacting government policies that will result in stimulating the private sector.

The point that occurs to me when when ask, "Will the message be lost?" is which message?  Although there is a significant block of voters who cast votes against the incumbents for very specific reasons, there are also a number of other blocks of voters who are driven by other reasons, some similar and some quite different.

I believe if you ask ten voters what message was sent by the election, you'd get seven different answers, although they would all have a common theme of dislike for something that the current Congress and administration has been doing.

Willow, are you contemplating running for President anytime soon?

[Willow]

Willow, are you contemplating running for President anytime soon?

lol!  Not unless I can get your vote, Charlie.   

I think chances are pretty slim.

Oh, I just remembered I have some skeletons in my closet.  No way!    

[fstsix]

Let the investigations begin!...I can think of 38 or more reasons why i voted the way i did    http://www.breitbart.tv/rep-issa-im-going-to-be-doing-a-lot-of-investigating/

[Charlie]

Willow, are you contemplating running for President anytime soon?

lol!  Not unless I can get your vote, Charlie.   

I think chances are pretty slim.

Oh, I just remembered I have some skeletons in my closet.  No way!    

You would get my vote.  I am not much for skeletons, we all have them.  Its what you do with your time on the job that counts.

[x]

The founding fathers were smart they wanted citizen politicions, folks with a job that served the people part time without personal gain.  Lets restore that.

Pete... I agree with you.

Are you ready to put your job, and life on hold, and go to Washington for a few years to serve, for free?

Jabba

+1

[x]

I suspect the typical professional politico------ the repubs are stupid and dems are crooks.

Actually, you have it backwards.  The Pubies are the crooks, and the Dems are stupid.  They had a great opportunity, starting in 2008, and the dumb bastids blew it.
 
It is time for a tree, a rope, tar, feathers, and a rail... and the first place to start is Wall Street.

[f6john]

I suspect the typical professional politico------ the repubs are stupid and dems are crooks.

Actually, you have it backwards.  The Pubies are the crooks, and the Dems are stupid.  They had a great opportunity, starting in 2008, and the dumb bastids blew it.
 
It is time for a tree, a rope, tar, feathers, and a rail... and the first place to start is Wall Street.

     Tree, rope, tar, feathers, rail, sounds interesting. More details please.

[Pete]

The founding fathers were smart they wanted citizen politicions, folks with a job that served the people part time without personal gain.  Lets restore that.

Pete... I agree with you.

Are you ready to put your job, and life on hold, and go to Washington for a few years to serve, for free?

Jabba

OK, yes I can do that. That is what being an American means to me.

[Pete]

I suspect the typical professional politico------ the repubs are stupid and dems are crooks.

Actually, you have it backwards.  The Pubies are the crooks, and the Dems are stupid.  They had a great opportunity, starting in 2008, and the dumb bastids blew it.
 
It is time for a tree, a rope, tar, feathers, and a rail... and the first place to start is Wall Street.

Nope, disagree, based on history it is repubs=stupid and demos=crooks. As if it matters both are unacceptable for politicos.

[Psychotic Bovine]

Strange, what the Gamma's and the Epsilon's think is the right way to do things.  Should they even be allowed to vote?

They are the ones who got Obama elected. lol

[G-Man]

What scares me is that ALL politicians seem to have amnesia somewhere between the election process and being sworn in, and that won't change.

Have ypu heard any of Obama's speaches since the election.  He says he's gonna reach across the aisle. seek others thoughts and opinions, Include the others in all discussions.  Didn't he PROMISE that the last time???  Oh, right, this time he really means it.   

All the promises Obama keeps making, and then breaking, remind me of Lucy telling Charlie Brown that THIS time she will really hold the football for him to kick, and of course, she pulls it away every time.

Don't worry, he'll show it on C-SPAN !

[G-Man]

The founding fathers were smart they wanted citizen politicions, folks with a job that served the people part time without personal gain.  Lets restore that.

While I agree, I can't see this happening.  People don't even want to serve on jury duty.