Looks like a beauty queen with a pink .38 trumps a big intruder. Sweet.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/22/armed-beauty-queen-fatally-shoots-intruder-florida-home-invasion/

[HayHauler]

"“She was not a good shot at the range,” he quipped."

But she was good enough to save his arse!  Wonder why he didn't grab it on the way to defend her?

Hay 
Jimmyt

[Tropic traveler]

 

[Titan]

This is the way that any and all home invasions should end!

And how many people do I know that still don't "believe in guns"?

[Jess from VA]

The 2009 Miss Tierra Verde, snatched her gun from a nearby bedroom and shot the suspect several times – hitting him in the chest, groin, thigh and back..........


Very nice shot placement.  Excellent marksmanship!  
"Now when the cops come, explain that he was spinning toward you as you fired... and you did the best you could"    

[RainMaker]

He's 42 - she's 25.  Sweet.

[Jabba]

42 year old "arborist".  isn't that code for Landscaper?

All I know is... those hot young women LOVE the smell of money!



Good for her!

Jabba

[Cliff]

This is the way that any and all home invasions should end!

And how many people do I know that still don't "believe in guns"?

Absolutely!   sad, but some folks think they should not have had a gun and should have been defenseless and just let the dice fall as they may.

[MarkT]

What the hell are these "wealthy" snobs thinking, ordering delivery pizzas repeatedly without change other than hundred dollar bills on hand?  Is that to impress the pizza guy?  Or just stupid?  How hard is it to keep some appropriate cash on hand if you're in the habit of ordering pizzas delivered?  I wouldn't even consider ordering delivered food if I didn't have appropriate cash on hand.  A fool and his money...  They asked for it, and got the attack they asked for.  Now the perp is dead due to stupidity. Not that I sympathize with him, if not for these idiots he would have attacked someone else, probably with a different result.  It's a rough world we live in nowadays.  

[Bobbo]

What the hell are these "wealthy" snobs thinking, ordering delivery pizzas repeatedly without change other than hundred dollar bills on hand?  Is that to impress the pizza guy?  Or just stupid?  How hard is it to keep some appropriate cash on hand if you're in the habit of ordering pizzas delivered?  I wouldn't even consider ordering delivered food if I didn't have appropriate cash on hand.  A fool and his money...  They asked for it, and got the attack they asked for.  Now the perp is dead due to stupidity. Not that I sympathize with him, if not for these idiots he would have attacked someone else, probably with a different result.  It's a rough world we live in nowadays.  If something like this happened here, the outcome would have been a little different.  It wouldn't have taken four shots to put the perp down, with a .45.

I don't agree that people "ask" to be robbed by revealing they have money.  This is similar to a rape victim "getting what they asked for" because they wore sexy clothing.  The criminal is the only one at fault here.

If you've ever been in an actual firefight, you will understand that, without extensive training, you will empty your weapon into the attacker.  It only takes one kill zone shot, regardless of caliber.  A smaller person has a better chance of hitting the target with a lightweight .38 than a heavy .45.

[Daniel Meyer]

 Repeatedly giving a stranger, in this case a pizza deliver boy, hundred dollar bills is just. . . . plain stupid.  

Yeah and living in a nice house is just asking for it too...

[sugerbear]

read an interesting article about what caliber has the best "stopping power"

at the end of the article he (the author) quoted a Dr DiMaio (foremost expert on wound ballistics)
as saying "the secret to handgun stopping power remains where you shoot your opponent and how many times you shoot him"

taken from
guns and ammo april/may 2011

author  dave spaulding

just so you know i didn't  "google it"

[KW]

 

[Bobbo]

Bobbo, as usual, you’re wrong again. There are always consequences to ones actions and life style. While NO ONE “deserves” to be raped, or in this case, robbed and almost raped, Mark is absolutely correct about the lack of ‘real world’ reality this couple displayed.  Repeatedly giving a stranger, in this case a pizza deliver boy, hundred dollar bills is just. . . . plain stupid.  For example; someone may have the “right” to stand on Cass Corridor in the worst part of Detroit and have on a KKK hood on and shout “I hate (n-word)!!”  If someone did that, a reasonable person could expect immediate, direr consequences for the potatohead displaying such racist stupidity. In other words, we are ultimately responsible for our own actions and protection. By the man’s own admission, this couple failed to take reasonable precautionary measures and flaunted their money. As a result, a horrible tragedy nearly occurred. Instead, the perpetrator came out on the bad side. I just hope he hadn’t already shared his DNA with anyone and reproduced.

It's your choice if you want to be an advocate and apologist for criminal behavior.     Using $100 bills isn't only for the rich.

One other thing; please don’t quote ‘criminal justice opinions and statistics’ unless you’re qualified to do so.  Have you ever been in a “firefight” yourself? Have you ever discharged a weapon in the line of duty as a public safety officer?  Most “trained professionals” miss with their shots in a shootout. Did you know that? And, the distances involved in police/criminal shootouts is surprisingly close.  So, PLEASE don’t present yourself as some type of expert because you Googled something.

Don’t ever stop posting brother. You’re the only reason I check the VRCC website everyday. I’ve come to realize that you have a great sense of humor and your posts really crack me up!  

I do not publicly discuss the specifics of what I've done in the service of my country.  I'm sure there are some on this forum that have experienced live firefights, and would explain what can and does happen.  My post said nothing about the accuracy of fire under stress, only that most untrained people will discharge all rounds in their weapon during a life or death event.

I know it is difficult for you to comprehend anyone but yourself having knowledge and experience on a subject without enlisting the aid of a search engine.  It is more common that you will ever understand.

[Bobbo]

read an interesting article about what caliber has the best "stopping power"

at the end of the article he (the author) quoted a Dr DiMaio (foremost expert on wound ballistics)
as saying "the secret to handgun stopping power remains where you shoot your opponent and how many times you shoot him"

taken from
guns and ammo april/may 2011

author  dave spaulding

just so you know i didn't  "google it"

But you MUST have "Googled" it to agree with me!   

[Ice]

How does this happen that a cool article of, I dont care rich or poor street justice, can get so F'd up by the attitude of others. Why is it alwasy an argument when certain folks around here say their opinion but others are free to do so? I know none of the folks pissing in each others ear, so I have no beef with either, but I think it is a sad state of affairs that it  is always a debate.
I thought it was a great story and the bad guy got what he deserved, and I only hope the groin shot was the first hit he took, so he knew his nuts just got blown   Off I mean.....

[sugerbear]

read an interesting article about what caliber has the best "stopping power"

at the end of the article he (the author) quoted a Dr DiMaio (foremost expert on wound ballistics)
as saying "the secret to handgun stopping power remains where you shoot your opponent and how many times you shoot him"

taken from
guns and ammo april/may 2011

author  dave spaulding

just so you know i didn't  "google it"

But you MUST have "Googled" it to agree with me!   

no, i did it the old fashioned way, i actually read it, out of a magazine!! remember those.
 

[Bobbo]

read an interesting article about what caliber has the best "stopping power"

at the end of the article he (the author) quoted a Dr DiMaio (foremost expert on wound ballistics)
as saying "the secret to handgun stopping power remains where you shoot your opponent and how many times you shoot him"

taken from
guns and ammo april/may 2011

author  dave spaulding

just so you know i didn't  "google it"

But you MUST have "Googled" it to agree with me!   

no, i did it the old fashioned way, i actually read it, out of a magazine!! remember those.
 

Oh, those folded paper things in my mailbox that say "American Rifleman" and "Guns & Ammo"?  So THAT'S what they are!    

[RainMaker]

How does this happen that a cool article of, I dont care rich or poor street justice, can get so F'd up by the attitude of others. Why is it alwasy an argument when certain folks around here say their opinion but others are free to do so? I know none of the folks pissing in each others ear, so I have no beef with either, but I think it is a sad state of affairs that it  is always a debate.
I thought it was a great story and the bad guy got what he deserved, and I only hope the groin shot was the first hit he took, so he knew his nuts just got blown   Off I mean.....

This is a general forum - anything goes.  There aren't any topics that are sacred. There are few that stay on point as the replies go.  I agree with you, Ice, but that is just one opinion among many opinionated persons on the forum.  As long as we stay civil and avoid personal slights and insults, then we'll be fine.

The homeowner defended her turf and saved her meal ticket.  Good for her.  She's a babe and 17 years younger than the guy.  Good for him.  Everyone's happy except the bad guy.

RM

[doubletee]

This is the way that any and all home invasions should end!

And how many people do I know that still don't "believe in guns"?

+1   

[Daniel Meyer]

Where am I wrong?

In my opinion? Assigning blame to the victim for the criminals' behavior. The implication is what? Dress in rags, live in a cardboard box, stiff the delivery guy, and THEN when the criminal attacks it won't be your fault?

I sat on a jury not too long ago...the defendant had started a running gun battle in a shopping mall with some rival drug thugs. All nicely captured on camera. Bystanders were hit. Some died (including a shop owner).

His attorney tried the "pin some responsibility on the victims" thing.

"They knew this could happen if they shopped in a crowded mall."

"He" (referring to the shop owner that was killed) "should have ducked."

Didn't work out so well for the defendant. We gave him 85 years just for possession of the gun (special circumstances).

 

[Daniel Meyer]

Goodgrief Daniel, how in the world did you read all that in what I posted?

Hmmm...just the part about $100 bills I guess.

Sheesh. I use hundreds all the time. My last pizza order was $70 before tip, my truck holds $130 worth of gas nowadays...seemed you were saying them using hundreds made them responsible for what happened to them.

Heck my Valk will durn near eat a $20. A sit down restaurant meal for two will eat a $50.

(shrugs)

Over reaching on my part I guess.

I do agree that driving anything more expensive than a 1974 Chevy Nova in say...Detroit is probably asking for trouble, but ya can't live life trying to fathom what a criminal is thinking and changing your ways to ... outwit? I dunno...make yourself less attractive to attack? Basic prudence I guess but Where's the line? A Rolex in a bad neighborhood is probably stupid, but hell, they steal the bungee cords off my motorcycle around here...they will steal the gutters off a house for the $6 scrap! To a criminal, the Rolex is a sign sure, but so to may be your old blue jeans or cell phone or cheap sunglasses or whatever. You can't know, and can't live life like you do. They are criminals. They don't think like we do, and we are not responsible for their decisions to attack.

We can take actions when they do...which was what happened in this news piece.

I apologize for reading too much into it. May have been MarkT's post I was worked up about...lots of nested quotes in the thread...

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

In my world, hunting coyotes over bait is OK!

[fudgie]

I agree KW. No matter how I dress or look, I cannot fend off all them young ladies! 

Good on the girl.  We always carry. I feel really bad without it on my hip and will turn around to go get it. Heck my 40 is on my hip right now.   

I been shot at before but lucky I was drunk so my reflexes were keen. 

[Titan]

What the hell are these "wealthy" snobs thinking, ordering delivery pizzas repeatedly without change other than hundred dollar bills on hand?  Is that to impress the pizza guy?  Or just stupid?  How hard is it to keep some appropriate cash on hand if you're in the habit of ordering pizzas delivered?  I wouldn't even consider ordering delivered food if I didn't have appropriate cash on hand.  A fool and his money...  They asked for it, and got the attack they asked for.  Now the perp is dead due to stupidity. Not that I sympathize with him, if not for these idiots he would have attacked someone else, probably with a different result.  It's a rough world we live in nowadays.  If something like this happened here, the outcome would have been a little different.  It wouldn't have taken four shots to put the perp down, with a .45.

You know what? I know darn well it would be better for me to just stay out of this and keep my mouth shut. But I'm jumping in anyway because I'm as entitled to an opinion as anyone else.

Daniel posted his opinion relative to KW's post and I wholeheartedly agree with everything he said. But MarkT's post is the one that started the thing about the victims "deserving" it.

The attitude and opinion posted above, which I have quoted here, is absolutely unbelievable! Why do you call these people "wealthy snobs"? You're labeling them snobs when you don't know anything at all about them other than the story indicates they have money? And, because they have money, why the heck would you say that they "asked for it and got what they deserved? You actually feel they deserved to be attacked because they have money? And the sympathetic cry of "Now the perp is dead due to stupidity. " What?! So, some stupid, wealthy snobs order pizza and a scum-bag criminal decides to invade their home to rape, rob, and murder those dumbasses and, since it wasn't his fault at all he's dead because they were stupid?

Yes, you also have a perfect right to post your opinion.

Wow!

[Jess from VA]

I sat on a jury not too long ago...the defendant had started a running gun battle in a shopping mall with some rival drug thugs. All nicely captured on camera. Bystanders were hit. Some died (including a shop owner).  We gave him 85 years just for possession of the gun (special circumstances).

Thank you for your service (and judgment).  Many, including me, would rather not get jury duty.  But it is a civic duty, and part of our American justice, and a (really low paying) job that needs done well. 

[Bobbo]

I was in the criminal justice system for almost 30 years. I dare say, with a level of certainty, I’ve read more criminal case files than anyone on this board. And, I have NEVER blamed the victim, nor have I seen circumstances where in a robbery or rape, the victim was to “blame”. . . . and it’s extremely offensive for you to put that label on me based on what I posted.

...and flaunted their money. As a result, a horrible tragedy nearly occurred.

When you say a horrible tragedy nearly occurred as the result of flaunting their money, you are blaming the victim.

[Daniel Meyer]

Thank you for your service (and judgment).  Many, including me, would rather not get jury duty.  But it is a civic duty, and part of our American justice, and a (really low paying) job that needs done well. 

I get called in for it all the time as Dallas County summons hundreds of people a day "just in case". We usually sit in the jury room all day and go home.

Occasionally I get interviewed but usually don't have to serve.  I work for a media company, and have a college degree so neither side usually wants me!

I was surprised to get picked, and I really don't want to be summoned, but if I am, I'll do the deal. No honor in squiggling out of it.

[Skinhead]

Where am I wrong?

some rival drug thugs. All nicely captured on camera. Bystanders were hit. Some died (including a shop owner).

His attorney tried the "pin some responsibility on the victims" thing.

"They knew this could happen if they shopped in a crowded mall."

"He" (referring to the shop owner that was killed) "should have ducked."

Didn't work out so well for the defendant. We gave him 85 years just for possession of the gun (special circumstances).

 

Attaboy Daniel!

[Jess from VA]

Occasionally I get interviewed but usually don't have to serve.  I work for a media company, and have a college degree so neither side usually wants me!

In my Bar licensed State of MI, and I think many others, private attorneys are exempt from jury duty. You can be sure at least one party NEVER wants us, and often nobody wants us, and so we get exempted by rule because its a waste of time even being considered. 

So I end up in VA where attorneys are NOT exempt, and I've been subject to call in a busy County for 18 years (using voters registration lists), and never called.  If I am, I'll be down there up to three whole days, and either for-cause or peremptorily challenged, there's almost no chance I'd ever get to sit. 

The question I'll never get by is "you will be instructed on how to apply the law to the facts, are you willing to follow all instructions and disregard your own legal training and experience."  To which my honest answer would always be "no."   Unless, I really wanted to serve on that particular jury/case.

[KW]

I give up. . . .  It’s NOT about being disagreed with, though I sure someone will say that, but rather purposely being taken out of context. Flame away. I’m done. 

[Hook#3287]

Lawabiding Wealthy Snobs  1
Lawbreaking Dirtbag  0

EXCELLENT TURNOUT!!

[Titan]

Lawabiding Wealthy Snobs  1
Lawbreaking Dirtbag  0

EXCELLENT TURNOUT!!

 
 

[MarkT]

Oh come on.  Attacking me because I pointed out the obvious?  Jump on your "don't blame the victim" soapboxes?  I am no defender of perps.  I carry always, and have for at least 8 years, when CO became a "shall issue" state.  I avoid confrontations, don't ask for trouble, go the other way, don't stand on the corner in depressed neighborhoods "yelling the n-word". I am prepared to deal with perps with deadly force if it's absolutely necessary, and I practice for that eventuality. I consider it a duty - even a responsibility to carry always and do my part to add one more armed non-victim to the general populace, making victim selection and the business of violent crime, a risky business. Much as I'd like to give my favorite restauranteur a warm and fuzzy by letting him know that when I am there, he and all his employees and customers are safe (OK, safer, or at least represented) from a whacko mass murderer - but I don't, as it's called "concealed carry", so no one but me and my wife knows I'm armed, and am prepared to save their lives.  So I use discretion, don't flash wads of cash, use common sense, avoid behaviors that might make me into a victim.  The people in the news article - and this with a grain of salt, because it's likely the reported article has plenty of inaccuracies - flaunted large bills, and expected a poorly paid pizza delivery boy to come up with huge change from hundred dollar bills for what around a $20 order?  Repeatedly.  That's at least inconsiderate - unless they let him keep large tips.  That IS snobbish behavior.  And certainly not common sense.  They got targeted - perhaps because of their own behavior.  Not smart.  Be practical, people.  Might be idealistic to say, "don't blame the victim" - but on the other hand, is it smart to flash large cash in front of needy, or hungry, possibly desperate folks who might be capable of strongarm or armed robbery, to make what is now yours, theirs?  I'd rather not have to shoot them, so I'll not be behaving that way, myself.  How many LEO's, active or retired, would take the adamant position that their behavior had nothing to do with the situation that resulted?  I know there are several on this board.  Certainly it is their right to use large bills to pay a pizza guy if they want to - unless the company has a stated policy about it - is it a good idea?  I don't think so.

[Hook#3287]

MarkT, your 100% right.  Anyone that shows off like that is stupid and inviting (not asking for) trouble. Just glad it turned out the way it did, as it seems you are too.

[MP]

+1, Mark T.

There is a difference between "inviting" trouble, and just being street smart.

MP

[Bobbo]

Oh come on.  Attacking me because I pointed out the obvious?  Jump on your "don't blame the victim" soapboxes?  I am no defender of perps.  I carry always, and have for at least 8 years, when CO became a "shall issue" state.  I avoid confrontations, don't ask for trouble, go the other way, don't stand on the corner in depressed neighborhoods "yelling the n-word". I am prepared to deal with perps with deadly force if it's absolutely necessary, and I practice for that eventuality. I consider it a duty - even a responsibility to carry always and do my part to add one more armed non-victim to the general populace, making victim selection and the business of violent crime, a risky business. Much as I'd like to give my favorite restauranteur a warm and fuzzy by letting him know that when I am there, he and all his employees and customers are safe (OK, safer, or at least represented) from a whacko mass murderer - but I don't, as it's called "concealed carry", so no one but me and my wife knows I'm armed with a Colt .45 and several magazines of ammo, and am prepared to save their lives.  So I use discretion, don't flash wads of cash, use common sense, avoid behaviors that might make me into a victim.  The people in the news article - and this with a grain of salt, because it's likely the reported article has plenty of inaccuracies - flaunted large bills, and expected a poorly paid pizza delivery boy to come up with huge change from hundred dollar bills for what around a $20 order?  Repeatedly.  That's at least inconsiderate - unless they let him keep large tips.  That IS snobbish behavior.  And certainly not common sense.  They got targeted - perhaps because of their own behavior.  Not smart.  Be practical, people.  Might be idealistic to say, "don't blame the victim" - but on the other hand, is it smart to flash large cash in front of needy, or hungry, possibly desperate folks who might be capable of strongarm or armed robbery, to make what is now yours, theirs?  I'd rather not have to shoot them, so I'll not be behaving that way, myself.  How many LEO's, active or retired, would take the adamant position that their behavior had nothing to do with the situation that resulted?  I know there are several on this board.  Certainly it is their right to use large bills to pay a pizza guy if they want to - unless the company has a stated policy about it - is it a good idea?  I don't think so.

I don't know why you are fixating on the $100 bill thing.  I use those sometimes, and I'm nowhere near rich.  The article also said they live in a posh neighborhood, and she wears expensive jewelry.  Those things would be more of an indicator of wealth than $100 bills.  I used to be a pizza delivery boy a long time ago, delivering to non-tipping snobs in expensive homes.  Never once did I consider breaking into these homes to rob them.  If anything, it motivated me to improve myself so I could someday enjoy those things.

[KW]

Mark, I removed all of my comments yesterday in this posting. Even after I apologized and tried to make it clear what I was saying, people were purposely taking things out of context to prove their own point of view (I guess?) You’re fighting a losing battle, so why bother? Even some of the usually more level headed people are failing to see the common sense involved here. . . .

When I first read your remarks before posting my own, I didn’t see you blaming the victim. Only advocating a personal responsibility to your own safety and I couldn’t agree more. Certainly, some of the crazy replies are to be expected (our resident Google expert comes to mind) but seriously, why bother firing back?

The conclusion I came to yesterday when I decided just to back out of all this ridiculousness is; most of the people commenting – though I’m sure they will say differently – have simply never been put in a dangerous ‘criminal’ situation AND/OR have never lived in the inner city. I admit; being born and raised for the first half of my life in the big city and attending public schools influenced me greatly. My career choice sealed the deal. (And, if you’re offended by me saying “inner city” then you just proved my point! You’re clueless to reality!)

The bottom line is this; I don’t give a SH*T about male pride, or attitude, or maintaining appearances, or ‘posturing,’ or even being slightly inconvenienced when it comes to the protection of my family. If the pizza boy was the spotter in this attacked, then SHAME ON THE MAN OF THE HOUSE for not doing a better job of taking PRECAUTIONARY measures to ensure the safety of the woman he loves!

Either you get that, or you don’t.

[MarkT]

Mark, I removed all of my comments yesterday in this posting. Even after I apologized and tried to make it clear what I was saying, people were purposely taking things out of context to prove their own point of view (I guess?) You’re fighting a losing battle, so why bother? Even some of the usually more level headed people are failing to see the common sense involved here. . . .

When I first read your remarks before posting my own, I didn’t see you blaming the victim. Only advocating a personal responsibility to your own safety and I couldn’t agree more. Certainly, some of the crazy replies are to be expected (our resident Google expert comes to mind) but seriously, why bother firing back?

The conclusion I came to yesterday when I decided just to back out of all this ridiculousness is; most of the people commenting – though I’m sure they will say differently – have simply never been put in a dangerous ‘criminal’ situation AND/OR have never lived in the inner city. I admit; being born and raised for the first half of my life in the big city and attending public schools influenced me greatly. My career choice sealed the deal. (And, if you’re offended by me saying “inner city” then you just proved my point! You’re clueless to reality!)

The bottom line is this; I don’t give a SH*T about male pride, or attitude, or maintaining appearances, or ‘posturing,’ or even being slightly inconvenienced when it comes to the protection of my family. If the pizza boy was the spotter in this attacked, then SHAME ON THE MAN OF THE HOUSE for not doing a better job of taking PRECAUTIONARY measures to ensure the safety of the woman he loves!

Either you get that, or you don’t.

Thanks KW.  Truly I didn't think of it as blaming the victim, but more about common sense.  I clarified my position and one of the responders still doesn't get it.  Doesn't matter to me, however.  I already ignore him, he's a contrarian who baits and argues with everybody.  Reminds me of an inlaw.  If I could have my computer auto-omit his posts I would.  Just do it manually.

[art]

I agree with ICE he got what he deserved an I hope it hurt like hell