Tomorrow is the Rapture? Judgemet day?

[x]

I see Jesus wasn't coming... but perhaps he was breathing hard?   

[Chrisj CMA]

I see Jesus wasn't coming... but perhaps he was breathing hard?   

SE.......you have a disgusting sense of humor.  If you were a man of any integrity at all (like your little man thing program you are a member of) you would self delete that response.........its repulsive!

[Bobbo]

This guy is a kook, but his misguided prediction did more to get people talking about God, and the end of days than anything I can remember.  Peace

I guess negative attention is as good as any, eh?!   

Negative for him maybe.......but not negative if even one finds God because they rethought their relationship (or lack of one) with Christ.

Possibly, but what about the ones turned away by the "Boy who cried wolf" effect?

[Chrisj CMA]

This guy is a kook, but his misguided prediction did more to get people talking about God, and the end of days than anything I can remember.  Peace

I guess negative attention is as good as any, eh?!   

Negative for him maybe.......but not negative if even one finds God because they rethought their relationship (or lack of one) with Christ.

Possibly, but what about the ones turned away by the "Boy who cried wolf" effect?

Those "ones" can find many many reasons under the sun to not believe......not too concerned as thats Gods job to draw them to himself.  If they choose to turn away because of a kook, well then they are not as smart as the kook (I dont think there were many that were turned away simply because of this) God is in control of that anyways.  One Godly principle is that there is good to be gained from everything that happens, so even though this crazy pastor has a huge problem now (he is an exposed false prophet) the rest of the world re examined the prospects of the second coming.  Im sure God didnt waste that!  He got some hearts over this I guarantee it

[DarkMeister]

"But just think if we're right and someday you wake up to find the Christians are all gone.....it wont be nice back here then......think about it"

OK. I'm thinking............................. ........................and I'll shaddap now.  

What I don't get is the exclusionary view. Are all religions like that? Just curious. Assuming there was an all-loving, forgiving, embracing, understanding being, how presumptuous IS that, to assume it would have no mercy on the hapless masses around the globe?
I hate grandmothers.   The ones who pass this sort of thing, in any religion, to babes-in-arms. The fears and beliefs, the false sense of, and relief at, 'belonging' to a larger group, who must be right. Instilling this mosaic of what makes a person tick, till they start going to mosque/church/temple/whatevz...and really get it welded in.

So back to rapture: only those who lived in the right place and right time and had an opportunity to belong, get to go?

Personally, I've traveled too much, seen too much, good and bad everywhere, to accept such a tenet.

No offense intended to anyone. In fact, respect for each person's belief is what I'm promoting here. But hey - it is a religious thread of sorts.

[Chrisj CMA]

Dark Meister the Gospel of Christ has a way of traveling the world.  Its a common thing to think that it cannot be true that Jesus is the only way because so many have never heard, so will they be unfairly punished.  God makes a way for his word to travel the globe, and it is traveling the globe.  In fact Christianity is growing much faster outside the US Canada Britan (modern societies) than it is where the ones you speak of (lucky to live in the "right" places)

We only need concern ourselves with ourselves when it comes to our relationship with God.  Did I hear and understand the message of Jesus.  What choice do I make?  Thats the question for all of us

[Bobbo]

Those "ones" can find many many reasons under the sun to not believe......not too concerned as thats Gods job to draw them to himself.  If they choose to turn away because of a kook, well then they are not as smart as the kook (I dont think there were many that were turned away simply because of this) God is in control of that anyways.  One Godly principle is that there is good to be gained from everything that happens, so even though this crazy pastor has a huge problem now (he is an exposed false prophet) the rest of the world re examined the prospects of the second coming.  Im sure God didnt waste that!  He got some hearts over this I guarantee it

Maybe not this event alone, but since "crying wolf" has a cumulative effect, over time more and more people will be able to examine these supposed preordained events, and realize they are baseless.  Similarly, if UFO believers set dates for "first contact" with intelligent extraterrestrials that never happen, their credibility lessens, even among their peers.  Also notable is the fact that prominent Christian leaders failed to denounce these claims before the event.  Does that show evidence of culpability in this hoax?

[Chrisj CMA]

Bobbo, I too was surprised at the lack of prominant Christian leaders poo pooing this guy.  Not sure what it means, but I wouldnt compare this to the UFO thing unless you confine the comments about UFO's to that guy that keeps showing up on the news.  You seen him half bald dirty overalls about 3 teeth and claims to have been abducted by the aliens and they did sexual stuff to him. 

[SANDMAN5]

[f6rider]

I see Jesus wasn't coming... but perhaps he was breathing hard?

poor taste

[bilks]

 ???

But isnt God  an Alien...? so, why condem other Aliens to visit our piece of rock...?

Come on Guys its all make believe...!  isnt it...?

[ArmyValker]

"But just think if we're right and someday you wake up to find the Christians are all gone.....it wont be nice back here then......think about it"

OK. I'm thinking............................. ........................and I'll shaddap now.  

What I don't get is the exclusionary view. Are all religions like that? Just curious. Assuming there was an all-loving, forgiving, embracing, understanding being, how presumptuous IS that, to assume it would have no mercy on the hapless masses around the globe?
I hate grandmothers.   The ones who pass this sort of thing, in any religion, to babes-in-arms. The fears and beliefs, the false sense of, and relief at, 'belonging' to a larger group, who must be right. Instilling this mosaic of what makes a person tick, till they start going to mosque/church/temple/whatevz...and really get it welded in.

So back to rapture: only those who lived in the right place and right time and had an opportunity to belong, get to go?

Personally, I've traveled too much, seen too much, good and bad everywhere, to accept such a tenet.

No offense intended to anyone. In fact, respect for each person's belief is what I'm promoting here. But hey - it is a religious thread of sorts.

Hey, I'm with you. I generally don't make it known, but I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of many religions basic tenants, Christianity being a prime example. I think everybody has to come to their own truth, and that's about as far as I care to intrude on anybody elses beliefs.

You won't catch me telling anybody their religious beliefs are wrong, and I expect the same treatment from others. Although, it does get a little messy sometimes because my wife is a hardcore Lutheran. lol

[3fan4life]

What I don't get is the exclusionary view. Are all religions like that? Just curious.

In my experience, YES they are.  And I would expect NO LESS, Because I can't see any reason why ANYONE would worship a God that they didn't believe in.

I am a Christian, a Muslim would tell me that I am an “Infidel” and that I am going to burn in Hell. He would tell me this because I am “not” a Muslim.

I wouldn’t believe his words, but I understand why he does.

So back to rapture: only those who lived in the right place and right time and had an opportunity to belong, get to go?

I can't speak fo other religions but as for Christianity the answer lies in what is often referred to as "The Great Commission":

Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the world. Amen.  Mat 28:19-20. (MKJV)

Most Christian theologians feel that this means two things:

1) That Christians are commanded to spread the Gospel to the “ends of the Earth”.

2) The World will not end until everyone has heard the Gospel and has the chance to either accept or reject it.

Assuming there was an all-loving, forgiving, embracing, understanding being, how presumptuous IS that, to assume it would have no mercy on the hapless masses around the globe?

Here is another way to look at this: 

If a person hears the message of salvation and refuses to accept it. God hasn’t condemned them to hell, they have condemned themselves by refusing to accept the message.

[Chrisj CMA]

???

But isnt God  an Alien...? so, why condem other Aliens to visit our piece of rock...?

Come on Guys its all make believe...!  isnt it...?

" all religions are flawed"

"I knew too many fine people that didnt believe in Jesus"

"I saw many hypocrits in the church"

"The Bible seemed foolish to me when I tried to read it"

"It (religion) seemed like make believe

"I was a good person"

"I believed in God"

"I went to church"

etc, etc, etc

These may all be true however,

If God is true and every man a lier (as the Bible says) than these excuses will be used over and over at the judgemnent when Jesus says:

"Depart from me I never knew you"

We all make our choice

[3fan4life]

I see Jesus wasn't coming... but perhaps he was breathing hard?   

SE.......you have a disgusting sense of humor.  If you were a man of any integrity at all (like your little man thing program you are a member of) you would self delete that response.........its repulsive!

Yep, he might pay for that one..............

[ArmyValker]

If a person hears the message of salvation and refuses to accept it. God hasn’t condemned them to hell, they have condemned themselves by refusing to accept the message.

So the all-loving God condemns the flawed human race to hell based on their response to an ultimatum?

I guess I've always had trouble with this concept. If the World will not end until the gospel is completely spread, this would be an asymptotic function right? At some point, you can expose the vast majority of people to the Gospel of Jesus but never everyone.

The accepted version of "God" to me doesn't make much sense until you factor in the contributing motives of those who historically used religion as a controlling means.

[3fan4life]

So the all-loving God condemns the flawed human race to hell based on their response to an ultimatum?

I guess I've always had trouble with this concept. If the World will not end until the gospel is completely spread, this would be an asymptotic function right? At some point, you can expose the vast majority of people to the Gospel of Jesus but never everyone.

The accepted version of "God" to me doesn't make much sense until you factor in the contributing motives of those who historically used religion as a controlling means.

So would your anger be because you find yourself in the category of those who have heard the message but refuse to accept it?


If so, that's your choice.

God will not FORCE you to accept him.

People that choose to spend eternity in hell will do so knowing that God loves them and that they could've spent eternity in Heaven with him.

God's offer of Love is not an ultimatum, it is simply a choice, either you accept it or you don't.

The good news is that it isn't a one shot deal, As long as there is breath in your body you still have time to accept God's love and his Gift of salvation.

[ArmyValker]

So the all-loving God condemns the flawed human race to hell based on their response to an ultimatum?

I guess I've always had trouble with this concept. If the World will not end until the gospel is completely spread, this would be an asymptotic function right? At some point, you can expose the vast majority of people to the Gospel of Jesus but never everyone.

The accepted version of "God" to me doesn't make much sense until you factor in the contributing motives of those who historically used religion as a controlling means.

So would your anger be because you find yourself in the category of those who have heard the message but refuse to accept it?



God's offer of Love is not an ultimatum, it is simply a choice, either you accept it or you don't.

Don't get me wrong man, I'm not angry, and I'm not calling you out, I'm just asking questions I've always had that haven't been answered. I'm legitimately asking you questions in a non-smartassed way (as much as I can over the internet).

I'm at peace with where I'm at, but I'm open-minded.

This may not be the place for it, if so, I'll move on.

[Chattanooga Mark]

The May 21, 2011 guy has partaken in the end times as being one of many false prophets. The bible is proven correct yet again!

Mark

[DarkMeister]

Faith is just that: a leap of faith.

I wonder if there is an age cut-off, like age of consent, for raptures? Because I think of a child-parent scenario. Parents say - trust me, kid; if you play with something called matches, you could burn the house down. So, never having seen matches or what they do, the kid finds some, fires them up, burns the house down.
Your average parent would lay a whoping on the kid, file an insurance claim, eventually replace everything. Their love for the child wouldn't waver. Said parent would not kill the child, or worse, keep roasting the kid in flames forever, screaming in pain.
Not for burning the house down, either, but for not taking the parents' word for it about 'matches'.

This 'hell' thing is overblown. Unless we're living in it now.

I can see some reasoned arguments coming. Say, a good parent would show the kid matches, demonstrate the danger, etc.; but even so I don't see them doing a kid-roast anytime soon.
  or 

[3fan4life]

Don't get me wrong man, I'm not angry, and I'm not calling you out, I'm just asking questions I've always had that haven't been answered. I'm legitimately asking you questions in a non-smartassed way (as much as I can over the internet).

I'm at peace with where I'm at, but I'm open-minded.

This may not be the place for it, if so, I'll move on.

No Offense taken..........

Yes the internet in general is a hard place to have a serious discussion about Christ.

Keep in mind that the only pespective that I have on questions of religion is from the Christian point of view.

I've never held any other beliefs, I've never had any reason to doubt the love of Jesus.

If you do have serious questions I am glad to attempt to answer them to the best of my ability (I'm not an expert. but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn),

You have an open invitation to PM me anytime.

[Chrisj CMA]

Faith is just that: a leap of faith.

I wonder if there is an age cut-off, like age of consent, for raptures? Because I think of a child-parent scenario. Parents say - trust me, kid; if you play with something called matches, you could burn the house down. So, never having seen matches or what they do, the kid finds some, fires them up, burns the house down.
Your average parent would lay a whoping on the kid, file an insurance claim, eventually replace everything. Their love for the child wouldn't waver. Said parent would not kill the child, or worse, keep roasting the kid in flames forever, screaming in pain.
Not for burning the house down, either, but for not taking the parents' word for it about 'matches'.

This 'hell' thing is overblown. Unless we're living in it now.

I can see some reasoned arguments coming. Say, a good parent would show the kid matches, demonstrate the danger, etc.; but even so I don't see them doing a kid-roast anytime soon.
  or 

I agree with you in the point that its hard to fathome thinking about God letting someone go to hell (or think of loved ones being there) but, unfortunately we dont get to write that part of the Bible.  Its only ours to believe it or not.  Im sensing you are leaning toward not.  I sit here not to tell you youre wrong, or to try to scare you into a decision to avoid a terrible hell.  Thats God's job and he will do it if you ask him to or let him do.  Im only here as someone just said above.  To tell my experience, if anyone asks.  I accepted the fact that Jesus died for me in 1985 and have never regretted it.  Ask me anything you want and I will try to answer, bottom line I believe every word of the Bible even as it pertains to Heaven and hell.  If that has you in a cold sweat or laughing or questioning........Christians should be able to talk to you about this without arguing, belittling or criticizing.  THat would be my goal.

[3fan4life]

Faith is just that: a leap of faith.

You are ABSOLUTELY correct.

I wonder if there is an age cut-off, like age of consent, for raptures? Because I think of a child-parent scenario. Parents say - trust me, kid; if you play with something called matches, you could burn the house down. So, never having seen matches or what they do, the kid finds some, fires them up, burns the house down.
Your average parent would lay a whoping on the kid, file an insurance claim, eventually replace everything. Their love for the child wouldn't waver. Said parent would not kill the child, or worse, keep roasting the kid in flames forever, screaming in pain.
Not for burning the house down, either, but for not taking the parents' word for it about 'matches'.

Unless the child perishes in the fire, which is often the case.

The parents can only protect/forgive the child as long as he lives.

If he "dies" while playing with fire his fate has been sealed.

This 'hell' thing is overblown. Unless we're living in it now.

If hell doesn't exist.......... then it's overblown.

If it does exist (and I believe that it does) then we aren't concerned enough.

[Bobbo]

The May 21, 2011 guy has partaken in the end times as being one of many false prophets. The bible is proven correct yet again!

Mark

Now, that is RICH!!!   

[Piper]

The Free Dictionary defines rapture as:
1. The state of being transported by a lofty emotion; ecstasy.
2. An expression of ecstatic feeling. Often used in the plural.
3. The transporting of a person from one place to another, especially to heaven
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rapture

Well, Blondie aside, I am still here so I had to create my own rapture.

I voted for #2

A couple of glasses of 16 y/o single malt Laphroaig.
A good maduro cigar
An inpromptu concert for the neighbors, played on the Nialls.
http://www.naill-bagpipes.com/

Heard no complaints
Maybe do it again next weekend.

Life is good.

[x]

OK, so I'm Jewish- just where the hell does that leave me? Rut ro



Slick-

There are lots of saved Jews........

What's a "saved Jew"?

[x]

I see Jesus wasn't coming... but perhaps he was breathing hard?   

SE.......you have a disgusting sense of humor.  If you were a man of any integrity at all (like your little man thing program you are a member of) you would self delete that response.........its repulsive!

Why?  First and foremost, Jesus was a man.  He went behind the bush and he wiped with his left hand, just like all the Jews of his time.  You think he didn't get a hard on?  I'm interested in the teachings of the historical Jesus, not the one in the bible that has been so distorted by men with an agenda.
 
PS:  Very predictable that you would have reacted as an indignant little boy.  What in the world does my integrity have to to with the fact that you don't like something I posted? 

[x]

If a person hears the message of salvation and refuses to accept it. God hasn’t condemned them to hell, they have condemned themselves by refusing to accept the message.

So Christians are self righteous enough to believe that only they have the answer to 'salvation', whatever that is, and that anyone else who doesn't accept Christianity as the one true religion is doomed to eternal hell?
 
What a vile thought.  Sounds just like self righteous Muslims.

[3fan4life]

So Christians are self righteous enough to believe that only they have the answer to 'salvation', whatever that is, and that anyone else who doesn't accept Christianity as the one true religion is doomed to eternal hell?

It isn't about being "Self Righteous", it is about believing that you have found the truth. A Christian believes that Jesus Christ is the only path to Salvation because he said so:

Joh 14:6  Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.


I have asked this question many times:

Why would ANYONE worship a God that they didn't believe in?

What a vile thought.  Sounds just like self righteous Muslims.

I am sorry that you think that the message of salvation is vile?

No one is forcing you to accept the message by the way.

It's your choice to accept or reject.

If you choose to believe that there is no truth in the Bible nothing that I or anyone else can say will ever convince you otherwise.

So, what I will do is what every good Christian should do, I will pray for you.

Now before you get your BP up and stroke out, look at it this way":

If it is as you believe, that God doesn't exist, nothing will change in your life anyway.

[x]

If a person hears the message of salvation and refuses to accept it. God hasn’t condemned them to hell, they have condemned themselves by refusing to accept the message.

So Christians are self righteous enough to believe that only they have the answer to 'salvation', whatever that is, and that anyone else who doesn't accept Christianity as the one true religion is doomed to eternal hell?
 
What a vile thought.  Sounds just like self righteous Muslims.

Here's your answer:

Possibly you could grow a brain and review the issue in more than juvenile terms... then again, it takes a long time to grow a mature brain... you may have a lot of catching up to do.

So... you don't want to admit that you are self righteous enough to believe that only your brand of religion contains those that will be saved?  All them dang nab Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and Jews doomed?

[3fan4life]

So... you don't want to admit that you are self righteous enough to believe that only your brand of religion contains those that will be saved?  All them dang nab Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and Jews doomed?

See above post.

[Chrisj CMA]

OK, so I'm Jewish- just where the hell does that leave me? Rut ro



Slick-

There are lots of saved Jews........

What's a "saved Jew"?

A saved Jew is just like a saved Catholic ( used to be catholic but I wasnt saved as a catholic)  If a person Jewish by religion realizes that NO religion can save you...only a personal relationship with Jesus Christ can save you, and they accept the gospel (which is a little off from traditional Jewish teaching) then they become like the Apostle Paul in the new Testament a Jew that accepted Christ just like the rest of us have to do to be saved.  Simple as that

[Chrisj CMA]

I see Jesus wasn't coming... but perhaps he was breathing hard?   

SE.......you have a disgusting sense of humor.  If you were a man of any integrity at all (like your little man thing program you are a member of) you would self delete that response.........its repulsive!

Why?  First and foremost, Jesus was a man.  He went behind the bush and he wiped with his left hand, just like all the Jews of his time.  You think he didn't get a hard on?  I'm interested in the teachings of the historical Jesus, not the one in the bible that has been so distorted by men with an agenda.
 
PS:  Very predictable that you would have reacted as an indignant little boy.  What in the world does my integrity have to to with the fact that you don't like something I posted? 

First of all......FIRST AND FOREMOST JESUS WAS (IS) GOD.  Second of all your post that I was referring to is vile, and if you had any intergrity you would see that it is offensive, unecessary and you would remove it.  I didnt really think you would, no surprise there

[x]

OK, so I'm Jewish- just where the hell does that leave me? Rut ro



Slick-

There are lots of saved Jews........

What's a "saved Jew"?

A saved Jew is just like a saved Catholic ( used to be catholic but I wasnt saved as a catholic)  If a person Jewish by religion realizes that NO religion can save you...only a personal relationship with Jesus Christ can save you, and they accept the gospel (which is a little off from traditional Jewish teaching) then they become like the Apostle Paul in the new Testament a Jew that accepted Christ just like the rest of us have to do to be saved.  Simple as that

I figured that.  In other words, in order to be 'saved', Jews must embrace a non Jewish view of what Christ is/was, ie, the Christian view.

[Sludge]

SE, the fact is that you have no respect for anyone but yourself.  Why else would you go out of your way to run other ppls beliefs down?  Your just a sad little man behind a keyboard trying to inflate his ego with his sarcastic bullying nature.  If you wouldnt say things to a persons face.  You shouldnt do it on here.  Its called respect for your ppl other than yourself. 


Moderators, is there a way to block all posts of a member here so I no longer have to view them? They are a waste of my time.

[x]

SE, the fact is that you have no respect for anyone but yourself.  Why else would you go out of your way to run other ppls beliefs down?  Your just a sad little man behind a keyboard trying to inflate his ego with his sarcastic bullying nature.  If you wouldnt say things to a persons face.  You shouldnt do it on here.  Its called respect for your ppl other than yourself. 


Moderators, is there a way to block all posts of a member here so I no longer have to view them? They are a waste of my time.

I'm not running his beliefs down.  I'm asking why he thinks others need to hold his beliefs in order to be saved.
 
He thinks Jesus is God.  Fine.  I don't.  I think he is a man with a fine message, cut short in life.  That's not running down his beliefs, that is stating a difference of opinion.

PS:  You can avoid reading my posts by not reading them.

[Fudd]

Reverend Camping

Looks like it didn't happen after all.  So, can I have back my money, my house and my car that you said "I wouldn't need any more"? 

Damn good thing I didn't give you the Valkyrie.

[DarkMeister]

That's easy, Fudd:

Just find a country song (on a record) and play it backwards. Works every time. 

[Fudd]

Yes, DarkM

Your suggestion would probably work, but where you gonna find a "record player" these days?

I was just trying to lighten things up and get back on the thread's topic.

Most wars have been started because of differences in religious opinions.

Peace-out

[Chrisj CMA]

SE, the fact is that you have no respect for anyone but yourself.  Why else would you go out of your way to run other ppls beliefs down?  Your just a sad little man behind a keyboard trying to inflate his ego with his sarcastic bullying nature.  If you wouldnt say things to a persons face.  You shouldnt do it on here.  Its called respect for your ppl other than yourself. 


Moderators, is there a way to block all posts of a member here so I no longer have to view them? They are a waste of my time.

I'm not running his beliefs down.  I'm asking why he thinks others need to hold his beliefs in order to be saved.
 
He thinks Jesus is God.  Fine.  I don't.  I think he is a man with a fine message, cut short in life.  That's not running down his beliefs, that is stating a difference of opinion.

PS:  You can avoid reading my posts by not reading them.

Hey SE.....no problem, I understand your position just fine, but its not me that you need to worry about.  If you are right and Jesus was just a Man, then My whole life from 1985 till now has been a nice little religeous game.  However, if Im right and your wrong and the Bible is true, it says that if you dont Honor the Son then neither do you Honor the Father.  As you so easily disrespect Jesus Christ and deny his power, his diety his sacrifice (which was for you personally as much as it was for anyone else) then on the REAL day of judgement its Christ himself God even...sitting on the throne asking you to explain what you just said here........not gonna be as easy, but I respect your right to hold to such notions.........theres just not a good future attached to such a view.