al-Awlaki

[BigAl]

Dead. While this Terrorist stopped on the road minding his own business and having lunch

and planning every waking moment to kill Americans.

A Hell Fire Missle seemed to fly over his way and land on his chicken sandwich.

The CIA will not commnet, but only said it is him and we may have shot one his way.

The rest as they say is history.

Can't do nothing with them in Guantanamo,, so why question the Al Quaeda members, just Hell Fire um.

This made me smile when I heard this today.

This one is quite despicable.

From 9-11, to Ft. Hood , to Christmas day underwear bomber, to times square and others , he was dabbling in killing us by the  thousands.

Anwar al-Awlaki, U.S.-Born Terror Leader, Killed in Yemen, Terror Leader Linked to 9/11, Fort Hood	powered by Aeva

[The Anvil]

For his 72 virgins, the wait is over...





Anyone see that al Qaeda magazine cover celebrating the 10th anniversary of 9/11? Was anyone else surprised at how professional and slick it looked?

[BIG--T]

And what makes it even worse, he was a US citizen and now some so called US citizens are protesting killing him!!

The scary part is there are plants that have been here many years just blending in and waiting for the word. Our intelligence has been excellent at stopping plots so far, but eventually they are going to miss one. We need to learn and do like the Israelis and start profiling! They are the experts in terrorism and have had many years to prove it. This political correctness crap will get us killed!
As one person said it wasn't the Swedish that did it!  ...Just my $.02

[BigAl]

9/11 tribute - amazing grace	powered by Aeva

[BIG--T]

9/11 tribute - amazing grace

Man that brought back memories and made my hair stand up! Makes me want to kill all of them!!

[highcountry]

A very good day for America!   

[Hoser]

9/11 tribute - amazing grace

Man that brought back memories and made my hair stand up! Makes me want to kill all of them!!

There will come a day when we have to kill them all. Be ready, me and mine are.  Hoser 

[Gear Jammer]

9/11 tribute - amazing grace

Man that brought back memories and made my hair stand up! Makes me want to kill all of them!!

There will come a day when we have to kill them all. Be ready, me and mine are.  Hoser 

+3

[Russell Rice]

Kill them all and let God sort them out

[Titan]

Ron Paul, Civil Liberties Groups Decry Killing of American Militant Without a Trial

Excerpt... "Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, cried foul Friday over the killing of a radical U.S.-born cleric in Yemen without a trial, joining a chorus of civil liberties groups raising "due process" concerns over the drone attack."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/30/cair-decries-killing-american-militant-without-due-process/

[musclehead]

another scum down, no end zone dance. just like Emmet Smith this is just what we do 

[fiddle mike]

Ron Paul, Civil Liberties Groups Decry Killing of American Militant Without a Trial

Excerpt... "Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, cried foul Friday over the killing of a radical U.S.-born cleric in Yemen without a trial, joining a chorus of civil liberties groups raising "due process" concerns over the drone attack."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/30/cair-decries-killing-american-militant-without-due-process/

I'm all for due process and am saddened by the blood lust I see in my fellow citizens, not only on this board, but in the SWAT and ATF death squads made up of those who claim to fight for freedom.   If Ron Paul is protesting it, then you can bet something about it stinks.

  I hope to God the militarist tide in this country is turned before it is unrecognizable from N. Korea. 

[fiddle mike]

Ron Paul, Civil Liberties Groups Decry Killing of American Militant Without a Trial

Excerpt... "Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, cried foul Friday over the killing of a radical U.S.-born cleric in Yemen without a trial, joining a chorus of civil liberties groups raising "due process" concerns over the drone attack."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/30/cair-decries-killing-american-militant-without-due-process/

I'm all for due process and am saddened by the blood lust I see in my fellow citizens, not only on this board, but in the SWAT and ATF death squads made up of those who claim to have served the cause of freedom.   If Ron Paul is protesting it, then you can bet something about it stinks.

  I hope to God the militarist tide in this country is turned before it is unrecognizable from N. Korea.  

[Linedog]

I'm of the opinion that this moron forfeited his citizenship the day he started his terrorist activities and left the US to actively pursue  his terrorist intensions.  Some people deserve to die and this was one of them!  Linedog

[MNBill]

We are at war and this is the new battlefield. They bring war to our children and those who are not soldiers. Presently they are protecting their homeland in the Middle East. When we leave the will have time and a place to plan more attacks on us here. Look at what happened when the Soviet Union left Afganistan, the radicals attacked a school, held children hostage, shot male students and raped the female children, finally blowing up the school with the children in it. The really sad part of all of this is the way it is used for political gain (re-election) by telling the whole world what we did. We have a military and other orgainizations (some the public may never know about), let them do their job and keep us safe, let the current admin hand out money to their green friends and supporters.They need to keep their mouth shut about national security and not use it as a diversion to cover the way they are stealing from the public.

As for killing him, if someone is shooting at you (attacking like he was) you do not try to arrest him, you shoot back.

[MP]

Ron Paul, Civil Liberties Groups Decry Killing of American Militant Without a Trial

Excerpt... "Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, cried foul Friday over the killing of a radical U.S.-born cleric in Yemen without a trial, joining a chorus of civil liberties groups raising "due process" concerns over the drone attack."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/30/cair-decries-killing-american-militant-without-due-process/

I'm all for due process and am saddened by the blood lust I see in my fellow citizens, not only on this board, but in the SWAT and ATF death squads made up of those who claim to have served the cause of freedom.   If Ron Paul is protesting it, then you can bet something about it stinks.

  I hope to God the militarist tide in this country is turned before it is unrecognizable from N. Korea.  

\We are in a war.  These are the enemy.

I take it from your post that you believe that we should not kill the enemy on the battlefield without "due process".

Sure would have made it real hard to win WWII, having to take every Japanese and German soldier to court BEFORE we shot him.

MP

[Titan]

Ron Paul, Civil Liberties Groups Decry Killing of American Militant Without a Trial

Excerpt... "Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, cried foul Friday over the killing of a radical U.S.-born cleric in Yemen without a trial, joining a chorus of civil liberties groups raising "due process" concerns over the drone attack."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/30/cair-decries-killing-american-militant-without-due-process/

I'm all for due process and am saddened by the blood lust I see in my fellow citizens, not only on this board, but in the SWAT and ATF death squads made up of those who claim to have served the cause of freedom.   If Ron Paul is protesting it, then you can bet something about it stinks.

  I hope to God the militarist tide in this country is turned before it is unrecognizable from N. Korea.  

These terrorists that you're feeling bad for are responsible for killing innocent people right here in OUR country. They were continually planning to do more of the same. If you feel so badly for them, and think we should have given them their day in court, I guess you won't mind if they launch another successful attack here when it's YOUR friends and family that get blown to bits. I sure hope it never happens but maybe you can get on the jury and make sure they get a fair trial.

[Fudd]

Some people (terrorists) aren't due their due process.

I'm OK with "in rare circumstances" the executive branch signing off an order to neutralize high value threats. 
Attempting an arrest would likely cost American lives and the Jackass would commit suicide anyway.

[The Anvil]

It would be wildly impractical to try and arrest individuals like this and try them in any court. And I'm not really Sure that Ron Paul's involvement either way means anything either. From a purely practical standpoint threats to the security of America that pose such logistical problems should be eliminated in just such a manner. I don't cry for any of these people, in fact I think they get what they deserve.

However, Fiddle Mike's point about the wave of hate that's taken over a chunk of this country is a good one. I know they started it, but it has to end somewhere because hate does one thing and one thing only; consume. By making us as paranoid , hateful and phobic as they are THEY WIN. Don't let them. 

[Sodbuster]

Don't know why but when ever I see those planes crashing into the towers it makes me think of George Washington's vision .... whether it's true or not

http://www.propheticroundtable.org/vision_of_george_washington.htm

[Chrisj CMA]

Ron Paul, Civil Liberties Groups Decry Killing of American Militant Without a Trial

Excerpt... "Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, cried foul Friday over the killing of a radical U.S.-born cleric in Yemen without a trial, joining a chorus of civil liberties groups raising "due process" concerns over the drone attack."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/30/cair-decries-killing-american-militant-without-due-process/

I'm all for due process and am saddened by the blood lust I see in my fellow citizens, not only on this board, but in the SWAT and ATF death squads made up of those who claim to have served the cause of freedom.   If Ron Paul is protesting it, then you can bet something about it stinks.

  I hope to God the militarist tide in this country is turned before it is unrecognizable from N. Korea.

Many of us took an oath to protect this country from foreign and domestic enemies.  Just because I no longer wear an active duty uniform that doesnt mean I dont still live by that oath.  The day is coming when the phrase "Freedom isnt free" wont just be the catchy phrase it is to some.  Just like years ago when I made the pledge to protect and serve I knew many wouldnt or couldnt do the same and thats ok.  The day is coming when there will have to be brave individuals stand up to them here on our soil.  Just like the brave ones on flight 93.  No one wants that day to come again, but I fear its just a matter of time.  I for one will stand and fight no matter what it takes.  American freedom is worth it all!

[BigAl]

To want to kill one's sworn enemy is pretty average.

To actually do it is pretty rare.

The American Soldier has sworn to engage and if possible kill that enemy when ordered to.

We are all going to die some day.

Some just get to go ahead of us.

Some justly and some needlessly.

Towers= Those killed unjustly.

al-Awlaki= killed for his murderous and complicit actions to kill your and my fellow Americans.

al-awlaki got justice and then the judgement, it will be much worse on the second part.

When you cowardly and painstakingly seek to kill innocent people, you do not deserve a trial, when doing so as an enemy combatant.

War is what they claim to want, why should we be so stupid as to not fight back.

[Willow]

I guess I stand somewhere near Anvil on this subject.  I've no problem with targeting known al qeada operatives by our military wherever they are.

At the same time, I'm troubled by the cheering of killing and by blood lust in general.  It is especially inappropriate in people who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ.

Anvil is correct.  Hatred in all its forms ultimately consumes the hater.

I give a big thumbs up to those who did their jobs and removed another threat to the lives of all Americans.  I do not find it in me to cheer the death of anyone.  To do so would bring to my mind the cheering crowds in Jordan on 11 September 2001.  I just don't want to be that way. 

As an aside, it seems to me a really odd juxtaposition using the lyrics of Amazing Grace in the foreground of scenes from the twin towers attacks.

[Chrisj CMA]

There is a difference between a strong desire for justice and "blood lust"  Blood lust (to me) has to do with wanting bloodshed for the sake of bloodshed regardless of justice.  Wanting someones life to be ended that desperately deserves it by almost every judicial system on the planet is clearly not the same, THAT IS JUSTICE.  Justice is Godly and God never said to never shed blood. God forbids the murdering of innocence, lets not get this confused

[musclehead]

I like Ron Paul and can agree with him 100% on the economy, the fed ,etc.....
I have a real break with his views on foriegn policy, he seems want to pull back and defend our borders and leave our allies hanging in the wind.

so when R.P. decries anything to do with foreign policy I may or may not agree.

however I wonder how Obama's base is squaring the hit of a 'American citizen'  ( I feel he has revoked his citizenship when he became an enemy of the state )

[Chrisj CMA]

As an aside, it seems to me a really odd juxtaposition using the lyrics of Amazing Grace in the foreground of scenes from the twin towers attacks. [/i]

That one day September 11 2001 was many things

It was a tragedy beyond belief, and human tragedy caused by humans on humans and too many were lost on that day

It was also a rally point for courage, faith, and community both American and worldwide

It was also a demonstration of the power of God.  Yes the Power of God......the planes were far less occupied than normal, way more people than usual missed work and many many people were rescued and or survived the horror for no reason but the power of God.  We all have to go sometime and God knows each and every one of those appoionted times.  God is in control and only the faithful few really believe that.  God showed up big that day and his grace abounded.  Therefore the use of that particular song.  

We could hardly stand what did happen, just how could we stand it without the Grace of God applied to the outcome of that day.  If the buildings didnt fall straight down...if the planes were full to capacity...if no one got out...If flight 93 took out the white house or the capitol building...

God is good ALWAYS by his GRACE we are saved.  Im sure many are saying this today that didnt say it on September 10 2001.

AMEN

[The Anvil]

A fulfilled death sentence isn't really justice though. I personally feel that many years of rotting in a cold prison isolated from any kind of human contact and the rays of the sun is a far more befitting punishment for individuals like bin Laden and al Awlaki. Death is a quick way out. But dragging either of them anywhere for a dog and pony show of a trial would only cause even MORE security concerns. Therefore it makes more sense to just stop their hearts cold. Dead, gone, soon to be forgotten.

[Chrisj CMA]

A fulfilled death sentence isn't really justice though. I personally feel that many years of rotting in a cold prison isolated from any kind of human contact and the rays of the sun is a far more befitting punishment for individuals like bin Laden and al Awlaki. Death is a quick way out. But dragging either of them anywhere for a dog and pony show of a trial would only cause even MORE security concerns. Therefore it makes more sense to just stop their hearts cold. Dead, gone, soon to be forgotten.

You are assuming death is the punishment.  I see it as insurance that the individual ceases to do what they were doing.  Its appointed that everyone dies the physical death, THEN the judgment and the real punishment.......being exploded by a hellfire missle or whatever it was was only his taxi ride to his true sentencing hearing

[The Anvil]

A fulfilled death sentence isn't really justice though. I personally feel that many years of rotting in a cold prison isolated from any kind of human contact and the rays of the sun is a far more befitting punishment for individuals like bin Laden and al Awlaki. Death is a quick way out. But dragging either of them anywhere for a dog and pony show of a trial would only cause even MORE security concerns. Therefore it makes more sense to just stop their hearts cold. Dead, gone, soon to be forgotten.

You are assuming death is the punishment.

No, I'm pretty much making the exact same point you are; that eliminating them is the quickest, surest and safest means of threat mitigation. Death is not the ideal punishment, but under the circumstances it's the best option.

[Willow]

There is a difference between a strong desire for justice and "blood lust"  Blood lust (to me) has to do with wanting bloodshed for the sake of bloodshed

I took the trouble of looking up blood lust in several dictionaries to be certain I wasn't misapplying the term,  I found none that made a distinction between blood lust driven by a sense of justice and blood lust born of evil purpose.

I'm comfortable with the accuracy of my statements.

I've no problem with the taking of life when the taking of life is necessary.  I've a big problem with rejoicing over the taking of a life.    

[Chrisj CMA]

I'm comfortable with the accuracy of my statements.

Of course you are

But, every deffinition I read put the term "blood lust" in a less than sane category......this is not a rational feeling nor a normal desire........it is crazed and un-natural

The killing of a dangerous terrorist (or the wanting for it) and the applauding of such is not irrational or insane.  While some mourn the loss of the rights of a previously constitutionally protected normal citizen, the rest of us are HAPPY and Proud of our government and in this...even our President for a job well done in eliminating a threat to the free world and a couple of self declared terrorists/traitors.  In a time of war against such, only somone that doesnt "get it" would dispute the rightousness of such an act.

[Fudd]

Bloodlust is the enjoyment of extreme violence or carnage.

I can just be glad these people that want to kill mass numbers of innocent Americans have, themselves, been killed without me being bloodlustful.

I remember a time right after 9-11 when there was a unity about America.  We collectively wanted the responsible partys punished.  We as a people declared war on terriorism.  Ron Paul would not have had much support had he voiced his opinion back then. 

[Chrisj CMA]

Bloodlust is the enjoyment of extreme violence or carnage.

I can just be glad these people that want to kill mass numbers of innocent Americans have, themselves, been killed without me being bloodlustful.

I remember a time right after 9-11 when there was a unity about America.  We collectively wanted the responsible partys punished.  We as a people declared war on terriorism.  Ron Paul would not have had much support had he voiced his opinion back then. 

AMEN

[The Anvil]

I'm comfortable with the accuracy of my statements.

Of course you are

But, every deffinition I read put the term "blood lust" in a less than sane category......this is not a rational feeling nor a normal desire........it is crazed and un-natural

I get what you're saying, but even a righteous kill can be made in the throes of a condition akin to insanity. Were someone to threaten or harm your family you'd be justified in taking measures to stop them up to and including killing them if the threat were that serious. But it doesn't necessarily mean you're in the correct state of mind. In fact, you're probably NOT in the situation with your head screwed on straight. We are humans afterall.

I'm not even going to say that this is you Chris or even anyone here. but I do see people bubbling over with hate. There's a lot of it out there right now. Hate towards al Qaeda, between political parties, between races... there's just too much of it in America and sadly, that's exactly what those whop seek to destroy us want. Their feelings are not hurt by it and it ensures that the cycle of violence continues beyond the solution of justice and the elimination of the threat.

Hate is the only human emotion that has no positive side effect under any circumstance. Jesus knew this. Love is what love is. Anger can overcome terror and spur righteous action. Fear can save your life. Despair can cleanse and close...

...but hate is a virus that finds a host and spreads, killing as effectively as the most potent of pathogens.

[wiseguy]

That Son-of-a-bitch declared war against America....... We responded   End of story

[Chrisj CMA]

I hear what you are saying Anvil.....you are not wrong about too much hate.  Thanks for being clear that you dont think anyone that agrees with this killing is necesarily overtaken with that hate.  There is a fine line between hating the act and hating the actor sometimes.

Peace

[The Anvil]

I hear what you are saying Anvil.....you are not wrong about too much hate.  Thanks for being clear that you dont think anyone that agrees with this killing is necesarily overtaken with that hate. 

Oh no, not at all. I totally agree with his being vaporized. It's not perfect, but it was the right call under the circumstances. It also serves to reinforce the truth that if you attack us, WE WILL FIND YOU.

And you know what? For all of my big talk I'd be lying if I said I didn't take a little pleasure in hearing about bin-Laden's execution. I'm human, not perfect.

[Willow]

I'm comfortable with the accuracy of my statements.

Of course you are

But, every deffinition I read put the term "blood lust" in a less than sane category......this is not a rational feeling nor a normal desire........it is crazed and un-natural

The killing of a dangerous terrorist (or the wanting for it) and the applauding of such is not irrational or insane.  While some mourn the loss of the rights of a previously constitutionally protected normal citizen, the rest of us are HAPPY and Proud of our government and in this...even our President for a job well done in eliminating a threat to the free world and a couple of self declared terrorists/traitors.  In a time of war against such, only somone that doesnt "get it" would dispute the rightousness of such an act. 

Let me reiterate once more.  I do not disagree with the act.  I said that several times, but in your intense drive to be obtuse you insist on implying otherwise.

Once more, what I object to is the rejoicing over the taking of any life, justified or not.

I guess from your words that you believe somehow that I don't "get it", that you have some mystical wisdom hidden from me.  Maybe it's a fine line the distinction of which escapes one of us.  You think it's me and I definitely think it's you. 

Let's leave it at that.

[Chrisj CMA]

I'm comfortable with the accuracy of my statements.

Of course you are

But, every deffinition I read put the term "blood lust" in a less than sane category......this is not a rational feeling nor a normal desire........it is crazed and un-natural


The killing of a dangerous terrorist (or the wanting for it) and the applauding of such is not irrational or insane.  While some mourn the loss of the rights of a previously constitutionally protected normal citizen, the rest of us are HAPPY and Proud of our government and in this...even our President for a job well done in eliminating a threat to the free world and a couple of self declared terrorists/traitors.  In a time of war against such, only somone that doesnt "get it" would dispute the rightousness of such an act. 

Let me reiterate once more.  I do not disagree with the act.  I said that several times, but in your intense drive to be obtuse you insist on implying otherwise.

Once more, what I object to is the rejoicing over the taking of any life, justified or not.

I guess from your words that you believe somehow that I don't "get it", that you have some mystical wisdom hidden from me.  Maybe it's a fine line the distinction of which escapes one of us.  You think it's me and I definitely think it's you. 

Let's leave it at that.

the disagreement of the term bloodlust was between you and me, but did you see where I turned the corner and said some feel one way and the rest another, see, at that point it was no longer about you and me.  So I stand by my statement.  Anyone that feels killing this dude wasnt justified just doesnt "get it" we are at war...he made himself (they) to be the enemy and now they are dead.  That obviously wasnt directed at you if you agree with the killing of this guy.

Dont take it so personal eh

[musclehead]

I'm comfortable with the accuracy of my statements.

Of course you are

But, every deffinition I read put the term "blood lust" in a less than sane category......this is not a rational feeling nor a normal desire........it is crazed and un-natural

I get what you're saying, but even a righteous kill can be made in the throes of a condition akin to insanity. Were someone to threaten or harm your family you'd be justified in taking measures to stop them up to and including killing them if the threat were that serious. But it doesn't necessarily mean you're in the correct state of mind. In fact, you're probably NOT in the situation with your head screwed on straight. We are humans afterall.

I'm not even going to say that this is you Chris or even anyone here. but I do see people bubbling over with hate. There's a lot of it out there right now. Hate towards al Qaeda, between political parties, between races... there's just too much of it in America and sadly, that's exactly what those whop seek to destroy us want. Their feelings are not hurt by it and it ensures that the cycle of violence continues beyond the solution of justice and the elimination of the threat.

Hate is the only human emotion that has no positive side effect under any circumstance. Jesus knew this. Love is what love is. Anger can overcome terror and spur righteous action. Fear can save your life. Despair can cleanse and close...

...but hate is a virus that finds a host and spreads, killing as effectively as the most potent of pathogens.

fear is the path to the dark side, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.....

Yoda, little green man of wisdom