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yeah, doesn't make sense that they don't bring back the valkyrie, but one thing for certain, no one will be stupid enough to ask "what kinda harley is that?" (then again, there are idiots out there that think harley invented motor cycles.)
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yeah, doesn't make sense that they don't bring back the valkyrie, but one thing for certain, no one will be stupid enough to ask "what kinda harley is that?" (then again, there are idiots out there that think harley invented motor cycles.)
I don't think they could get the "original" Valkyrie to pass emissions. So you're talking about engineering an FI system for a legacy engine. That's pretty much a given, you'll never see another 6 pack carb system on a new bike. No big deal to me, I'm happy with the modern EFI's. First you hear that the EVO6 is going into production, then canceled, now the Rune going into production. I'll believe it when I see it. I just hope they eventually offer a touring model. |
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That's pretty much a given, you'll never see another 6 pack carb system on a new bike. No big deal to me, I'm happy with the modern EFI's.
First you hear that the EVO6 is going into production, then canceled, now the Rune going into production. I'll believe it when I see it. I just hope they eventually offer a touring model.
I'm with you. If I never owned another bike with a carburetor that would be fine with me. EFI has progressed to the point where it is better than carburetion in every way that really matters. But what I meant was that the GL1800 motor already has it's EFI system in place. If they wanted to bring the 1520CC Valk back they'd need to R&D a new EFI for it. I don't think Honda sees that as a good investment. That said, they could just build a more traditional cruiser around the 1800cc EFI GW engine using a lot of off the shelf parts (like they did with the original Valk). I like the Rune too, but it's too much money with that Frenched rear fender and big old landing gear in front. |
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I don't think they could get the "original" Valkyrie to pass emissions. So you're talking about engineering an FI system for a legacy engine.
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The sale of V twin cruisers has gone down nearly 20% in the past year alone. That fad and the want to be’s which the 6 cylinder Rune was supposed to appeal to is slowing considerably. Kind of like ten years after the Urban Cowboy craze when nobody was wearing “Caboy” hats and all the country bars started doing Hip Hop. Honda’s translators ( that’s the folks that translate English, or what we call English into Japanese) just have not gotten the message straight. I have a friend who translates English documents to Japanese and she says that it is quite common for someone to make such a mistake when it comes to statistics or Engineering terminology.
I don’t know if Honda sold more than 3000 Runes in any year so they probably have a lot of parts left over from the previous models. Maybe I should get my friend to draft an official press release saying the Valkyrie was coming back. Then maybe the Japanese would get the hint.
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Not quite ready to definitively call BS yet, but that link just doesn't pass the sniff test... I can't see Honda bringing back a motorcycle that didn't seem to really sell well in a good market into a bad market 8 years later, especially without making any visible changes to it.
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I don't think they could get the "original" Valkyrie to pass emissions. So you're talking about engineering an FI system for a legacy engine.
My 99 Valk IS passes easily and we have some of the strictest testing in the states. I've asked this before but I think we are the only state that has emission testing for motorcycles. Overall your testing may be strict but emissions testing is not an across the board level (at least I've never seen one that is). Allowances are made for the vehicle type and age. They are not required to be "greener" in 2011 than the standard that existed in 1997. But the standards for a 2011 production bike will be much different. |
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Not quite ready to definitively call BS yet, but that link just doesn't pass the sniff test... I can't see Honda bringing back a motorcycle that didn't seem to really sell well in a good market into a bad market 8 years later, especially without making any visible changes to it.
I've searched around some more and thus far haven't been able to dig up any credible links referencing a 2012 Honda Rune. I hope it IS true, but so far I'm just not believing it... I posted the link, but can not vouch for the validity of it... It was just brought to my attention and thought I would throw it out there... I to, can't fathom why they would bring it back when it didn't sell well the first time...  |
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But what I meant was that the GL1800 motor already has it's EFI system in place. If they wanted to bring the 1520CC Valk back they'd need to R&D a new EFI for it. I don't think Honda sees that as a good investment. That said, they could just build a more traditional cruiser around the 1800cc EFI GW engine using a lot of off the shelf parts (like they did with the original Valk).
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But what I meant was that the GL1800 motor already has it's EFI system in place. If they wanted to bring the 1520CC Valk back they'd need to R&D a new EFI for it. I don't think Honda sees that as a good investment. That said, they could just build a more traditional cruiser around the 1800cc EFI GW engine using a lot of off the shelf parts (like they did with the original Valk).
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I clicked on the link with the original post and somewhere amongst all the Rune pics was this one. I'd love to have the $$ to build something like that....naked and hot looking. Don't think I better go any further with my description.  Notice in the first of your pictures, his gauges are in front of the seat nose. I'm trying to see what he did with the two radiators, did he mount a single one down below in that air dam? |
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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2011, 07:20:08 PM » |
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I just wish they'd bring the Valk back in a Standard or Tourer version with a Goldwing motor with FI and a six speed and I'd be happy.
IMHO, I don't think they should bring back the I/S as it would compete with the Wing like it did last time. I don't know for sure, but I'd bet that the I/S took sales away from the Wing when it was introduced. And besides.....Honda already screwed up by naming a v-twin the Insterstate anyway.
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Now this version of the Rune I could really go for. Looks like someone's idea of a Rune custom, first thing I'd do is get rid of those forks they come with. I've ridden them a couple times, once at Honda Homecoming, didn't like it at all. This one looks like a cruiser should, might want to mess with the seating a bit, maybe a couple other areas as well. But overall, I reall like this. Looks a car tire on the back |
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Yeah, a new Valkyrie built around the 1800 with FI in a standard and Tourer version and classic cruiser style. That would be the ticket. Kind of in the Rocket III and Rocket III Tourer class.
Can't see a large market for an I/S version with the Gold Wing available. But I do see a market for a large class bike with a lot less bells and whistles and the ability to outfit it for and comfortably tour the country.
As for the Rune. Never liked it. It looks neat and I'm sure it performs exceptionally well, but it just isn't practical. Its more of a show bike. Can't see riding it for week and actually touring the country with it. Seems more for the occasional poker run or biker night crowd.
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Hard to believe Honda would bring back the Rune. It didn't sell well at all. They still had NOS Runes a few short years ago at about half their original MSRP. Not surprising as it has the ugliest front fork assembly ever bolted to a motorcycle.
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IMHO, I don't think they should bring back the I/S as it would compete with the Wing like it did last time. I don't know for sure, but I'd bet that the I/S took sales away from the Wing when it was introduced. And besides.....Honda already screwed up by naming a v-twin the Insterstate anyway.
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Honda knew it was to radical for the masses.
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But what I meant was that the GL1800 motor already has it's EFI system in place. If they wanted to bring the 1520CC Valk back they'd need to R&D a new EFI for it. I don't think Honda sees that as a good investment. That said, they could just build a more traditional cruiser around the 1800cc EFI GW engine using a lot of off the shelf parts (like they did with the original Valk).
Weren't the 1500 Goldwings EFI? Use the GW motor. No, dual carb. The GW didn't get EFI until the 1800's came out. I mean it certainly could be done... Well not really... the first fuel injected Gold Wing was the 1985 Gold Wing Limited Edition. Friend of mine in his 70's still rides his all over the country. Of course it was only a four cylinder but no carbs. |
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