Smoking Laws

[pitbull]

I was just wondering if you have any smoking laws in the US.Thats smoking normal cigarettes not the other type of smoking.
A couple of years back the English government made it illegal to have a smoke in any public building,bars,clubs etc and in the workplace.These places had to erect smoking shelters that had to be open on 3 sides.This was then extended to commercial vehicles and work vehicles.
If I have workmen coming into my house it is illegal for me to smoke half an hour before they arrive and while they are there.
Some doctors are now calling for smoking to be banned in private cars,it's one way to increase road rage thats for sure.I have been smoking while driving for nearly 30 years and won't stop now.I do respect non-smokers and if I have one in my car I will not smoke.Most of the time I make tham walk tho.
I sometimes have a smoke when I'm on the Valk,when in slow moving traffic.

Oh how I want to emigrate somewhere more relaxed.

Pitbull

[PAVALKER]

There are a bunch of smoking laws, and they vary from state to state actually.  Have not heard about any that requires you to stop smoking half hour before a worker comes to do work on your house.... that would be interesting.     I gave up smoking a few years ago (see signature).... and am quite glad I did.  I still get urges..... but they pass.

[FLAVALK]

We seem to be moving in your direction. For several years now here in Florida, smoking in restaurants has been banned. They're now pushing to to ban it in parks and other public place. Most places of buisness have kicked the smokers outdoors to puff away. I know where I work, smokers can only partake at one covered area in the parking lot.

I'm not a smoker and can't stand the smell of cigaretts, but think the govenment gets involved way too much in our personal buisness telling people what they can and cannot do. 

[Chrisj CMA]

Hopefully we are in the process of downsizing the government.  Maybe silly things such as this wont be given much attention because people working for the government will have to actually do their jobs for a change

[Farther]

As a former smoker I have no problem with banning smoking in publc areas.  What people do in their private space is their own business.  I also have a science/health perspective on this since I have worked in environmental health all of my adult life that I wasn't in the Fire Service.  Even then I was a Firefighter/Medic.  It does bother me when I see young parents carry around a baby with a smoke in their mouths.  I know that this baby is exposed to smoke in confined spaces of cars and homes too.

[Sodbuster]

As a former smoker I have no problem with banning smoking in publc areas.  What people do in their private space is their own business.  I also have a science/health perspective on this since I have worked in environmental health all of my adult life that I wasn't in the Fire Service.  Even then I was a Firefighter/Medic.  It does bother me when I see young parents carry around a baby with a smoke in their mouths.  I know that this baby is exposed to smoke in confined spaces of cars and homes too.

+1 

[VALKIFIED]

As a former smoker I have no problem with banning smoking in publc areas.  What people do in their private space is their own business.  I also have a science/health perspective on this since I have worked in environmental health all of my adult life that I wasn't in the Fire Service.  Even then I was a Firefighter/Medic.  It does bother me when I see young parents carry around a baby with a smoke in their mouths.  I know that this baby is exposed to smoke in confined spaces of cars and homes too.

[R J]

We were banned from smoking in our Patrol Cars back in about 1980 or so.

We also couldn't smoke on a motor while on duty.    We could smoke in out of the way places.

I usually lite up during breakfast, lunch an dinner times.     Then hit the Lucky Strike non filter pretty heavy after work and before bed.   Couldn't consume any alcohol anytime as we were on call 24/7.   They smelled booze on your breath, no hearing nothing, you were done.

The wife still smokes, but she will not smoke in the house or around me since I have a breathing problem, and on O2 24/7.

Used to try and get her to quit, but gave up on it as all it did was start WW III.

And I never did win that battle..........   Guess she was the better Marine.

I did one time try to sneak in the back door and had the grandkids ask grandma why she smoked.

Damn, that started WW IV, so I just dropped it and took another defeat.  

[Paxton]

Our local Police and Fire Departments will not hire smokers on and off the job. Also, by law, you must not smoke within 20 feet from
a door to a public building... or a building open for ANY KIND of business. ???

Smokin' sanctuaries in the workplace are out. Banning smoking in Public Parks is now under consideration.

Pretty soon, if you want to smoke you'll have to go to Hell with your flame suit on! .

[oxfordhog]

Go to China. They smoke up a storm there..

[fudgie]

Yea but think it sucks. I dont smoke but Kit does. I can choose to go to a place that has smoking just as much as I can choose not to go there. Laws shouldnt tell me one way or the other. I have asthma and smoke does bother me after some time. But I can go out and get some air and all is better. Work has a 'no tabacco' policy. Dosent say no smoking just no tabacco. No one is brave enough yet to fire up a clove cig yet. 

S. Dakota is smoke free. But this year our bartender gave us 'candle holders'. She said do what ya want with them. 

[The Anvil]

I don't a problem with banning smoking in public places. I don't smoke and cigarette smoke makes it extremely difficult for me to breathe. What some smokers don't always get is that non-smokers can react to second hand smoke in very different ways. Some tolerate it quite well, others not at all. I actually lock up and start hitching. Now, I do believe people have the right to do as they wish to their bodies, but I have a right to breathe clean air and since that's the default condition then it trumps a smoker's rights in public places.

If it's their car or house then that's another story. Banning people from smoking in their own homes one half hour before workmen come over is not only way out of bounds but completely worthless as a preventative health measure. I am 100% confident that legislation like that has NOTHING to do with protecting anyone's health and everything to do with putting the screws to people who are doing something you don't like.

A couple of things about smoking though; people who toss their cigarette butts wherever they please are d-bags. You wanna smoke? Fine, I have no problem with that. But keep your nasty trash with you and dispose of it properly. It's littering, plain and simple and if you do it then you're a rude, ignorant fish taco. The other thing is people who smoke with children around, especially cooped up in cars. People who do this are uneducated trash. There was a time in America where ignorance on this was pervasive and to some degree understandable but people should know better now.

[junior]

as a smoker,and a total ass at times(yes i am past the denile stage) and pretty much a non drinker.
let me ask you people this, mostly you non smokers that drink and yes that glass of wine counts............ if it made a non drinker ill from the smell of booze and started looking for non drinkers rights. how would you feel? you know telling you where,what or how you can drink.

 and dont even make me get into religon

[The Anvil]

as a smoker,and a total ass at times(yes i am past the denile stage) and pretty much a non drinker.
let me ask you people this, mostly you non smokers that drink and yes that glass of wine counts............ if it made a non drinker ill from the smell of booze and started looking for non drinkers rights. how would you feel? you know telling you where,what or how you can drink.

 and dont even make me get into religon

Fair question, but you are already told where you can drink (it's typically illegal to drink in public) and alcohol content is regulated in many places. Remember Four Loko?

I have a few friends who are recovering alcoholics and I don't drink around then out of respect. I like having a few beers and even getting tore up on rare occasions, but I can live without it.

[Clark]

this doesnt answer your question but it does pertain to smoking.. i was at the denver airport last week and ran into a buddy from idaho who was on the same flight as me.. he asked me if he could ride home with me from the boise airport to sun valley. I said certainly.. we got in at 11 p.m. and its a 2 and a half hour drive home.. he FRIGGIN STUNK SO BAD I had to keep rolling the windows down and airing the car out so i wouldnt vomit.. good news is the fresh cold air kept me awake for the drive home..

[old2soon]

this doesnt answer your question but it does pertain to smoking.. i was at the denver airport last week and ran into a buddy from idaho who was on the same flight as me.. he asked me if he could ride home with me from the boise airport to sun valley. I said certainly.. we got in at 11 p.m. and its a 2 and a half hour drive home.. he FRIGGIN STUNK SO BAD I had to keep rolling the windows down and airing the car out so i wouldnt vomit.. good news is the fresh cold air kept me awake for the drive home..

   I had NO clue or NO idea how bad i smelled until i quit smoking. Mama still smokes but not in the house or my car. She has been known to pitch a bitch when we go into a resturant with smoking and non smoking areas and i pick non smoking. There be no way i can enjoy my food anymore in a smoke filled room. If there be a choice AND i'm paying-non smoking all the time. B T W non smoking areas make it WAY easier on my C O P D. Either i should have quit way sooner or better yet never started. RIDE SAFE.

[solo1]

As a former councilman (and a former smoker, quit Nov, 22, 1963) I was against any smoking ban in New Haven.  One constituent came over to my house and flat out told me I'd better not try to get one through.  While I don't believe that government should stick their nose in, I told him if the majority of people wanted it, I'd do it.  At any rate, although New Haven still has no non smoking ordinance, the chain smoker that sorta threatened me, is no more.  Lighting one cigarette with another finally killed him.

I go to restaurants in Ft. Wayne where there is a non smoking ordinance. As an asthmatic, i can't be around smoke. I hate the smell and I won't breathe second hand smoke.

[dreamaker]

I don’t understand the world drive about nonsmoking, what is the big deal .  I am a nonsmoker I quit awhile back and I don’t judge the people that still smoke.  How can these so called do gooders complain about smoking and not focus on the trash they put in our water and in our foods.   Take a minute and read the labels on your food on what they put in them.  Why don’t the people concern with my health look at what is put in the things we consume. 
I don’t know how true this is, but a while back I was told this story about smokers.  I don’t recall if they said it started in LA or New York City.   But it was said that these wealthy people would go to these clubs, bars disco’s being that they were nonsmokers they would tolerate the smoke.  The thing they couldn’t stand is they would stink of smoke afterwards it would be on their clothing. I guess they didn’t like smelling like an ash tray to their friends.   So they started a movement against smoking in public places.  Like I said I don’t know how true this is, I know it sounds silly, but why do they only focus only on smoking.  I was told this awhile back and it always stuck in my head.

[BF]

"I don't smoke and cigarette smoke makes it extremely difficult for me to breathe."


Smoke does me the same way.....and I also feel the same way regarding strong perfumes and anything else that's heavely scented.....it makes it extremely difficult for me to breathe.  I can't walk past a perfume counter at the department store...or go into a candle shop......simply can't breathe.  Eating at a restaurant can sometimes be a challange too....especially when your food tastes like grandma's ode de toilet water when the breeze is blowing my way.  Some folks seem to bathe in the stuff before they leave the house.  

I hate to sound like a commercial, but your right to smoke (AND wear heavey scents) stops at my right to breathe clean, clear, pollutant free air.  

I quite on January the 6th, 1995.  Haven't had one since.  Can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke now.  And I deeply apologize to everyone that I ever offended with my smoke when I did smoke.  I now know what you went through breathing my nasty cigarette smoke.  

HOWEVER, if you want to smoke up your own house or car (or whatever), then that's totally your own buisiness.....and NOT the government's.  

[The Anvil]

"I don't smoke and cigarette smoke makes it extremely difficult for me to breathe."


Smoke does me the same way.....and I also feel the same way regarding strong perfumes and anything else that's heavely scented.....it makes it extremely difficult for me to breathe.  I can't walk past a perfume counter at the department store...or go into a candle shop......simply can't breathe.  Eating at a restaurant can sometimes be a challange too....especially when your food tastes like grandma's ode de toilet water when the breeze is blowing my way.  Some folks seem to bathe in the stuff before they leave the house.  

I hate to sound like a commercial, but your right to smoke (AND wear heavey scents) stops at my right to breathe clean, clear, pollutant free air.  

I quite on January the 6th, 1995.  Haven't had one since.  Can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke now.  And I deeply apologize to everyone that I ever offended with my smoke when I did smoke.  I now know what you went through breathing my nasty cigarette smoke.  

HOWEVER, if you want to smoke up your own house or car (or whatever), then that's totally your own buisiness.....and NOT the government's.  

Perfume counters and candle stores are the bane of my existence!

Remember that old Steve Martin joke?
"Mind if I smoke?
"No. Mind if I FART?"

I'd rather smell farts. Yes it's offensive, but it doesn't cause me to stop breathing.

[BIG--T]

As a former smoker I understand the complaints and didn't realize how much it stunk until I quit!. Most resturants here don't allow it nor do the hospital parking lots or even in your car there either. There are many places that smoking is prohibited. Depending on what county you're in some bars don't even allow it and the owners are losing  a lot of business. Most people that smoke at home will go outside so their spouse/children won't be exposed, at least I know I did in my later years.

The way I see it, it is a double standard. It's ok to drink, get drunk and wipe out a whole family at one time or go crazy with an AK-47 and leave piles of bodies. No, the poor ole smoker is slowly killing themselves. Goverment needs to stay out of it or they will chip away at everything. So if they want to really regulate smoking the same needs to be done with alcohol!

I know this won't be popular but just my $.02.  

[hotglue #43]

Smoke'm if ya got 'em....
and have a drink....

But hey... I grow my own tobacco,  and blend and age my own whiskey.....

I will be considerate.......  but if someone thinks they are gonna tell me what I can do at my place..... they are welcome to leave....

[BIG--T]

Smoke'm if ya got 'em....
and have a drink....

But hey... I grow my own tobacco,  and blend and age my own whiskey.....

I will be considerate.......  but if someone thinks they are gonna tell me what I can do at my place..... they are welcome to leave....

There ya go!

[RoadKill]

I'll be nicer (and not smoke) when people get smarter (Ban STUPIDITY First! ) ! ! !

[Farther]

How can these so called do gooders complain about smoking and not focus on the trash they put in our water and in our foods.   Take a minute and read the labels on your food on what they put in them.  Why don’t the people concern with my health look at what is put in the things we consume.

  I guess you haven't been paying attention.  Be careful for what you wish.

[CajunRider]

Smoke'm if ya got 'em....
and have a drink....

But hey... I grow my own tobacco,  and blend and age my own whiskey.....

I will be considerate.......  but if someone thinks they are gonna tell me what I can do at my place..... they are welcome to leave....

+ 1

In public places, I have the common courtesy (not so common these days) to ASK if people are OK with my habits... but in PRIVATE..... MY car, MY house, MY yard...

People... it's a FREE country...

If you don't like what I'm doing, you are FREE to LEAVE! 

[junior]

Smoke'm if ya got 'em....
and have a drink....

But hey... I grow my own tobacco,  and blend and age my own whiskey.....

I will be considerate.......  but if someone thinks they are gonna tell me what I can do at my place..... they are welcome to leave....

I was hoping that you would post................... seeings that your a fellow welder, you must of read the MSDS sheets for some of the rod and wire that we are exspoed to. (chuckles) now what about some of you backyard mechanics? or you weekend woriors that  fire up the backyard  wood fired BBQs or burns wood to keep warm in the winter? the chemicals that some of you unknowingly exspose yoursefs to yes i am talking about you people that use gas,diesel,mineral spirets and brak-kleen(red or green can) carb cleaner,car wax, armor-all.............how about them little x-mass trees that you hang from your rear-view mirror? your ax spray on deoderant fre-breeze, ( ok who sprays the daylights out of the bathroom so thier crap dont stink?)your old spice swagger and the list goes on and on. (wont even get into food thing) the crap and chemicals you people exspose yourselves to. then you hope up that soap box and tell me that i am messing up your health with alittle bit of ciggarette smoke? oh wait a minute lets make this motorcycle related,  I think we all have been to motorcycle rallies,bike weeks.(and yes i am gonna point the finger) hotglues gatherings of the fools................the cigar smoke,the smoke from the smoking brisket. and some of you will drool till your stupid over BBQ and hot sauce. and you people think that you have the right to complain about my smoking? it aint like i blow it into your face,light up in your car,house. i have accually worked in welding shops where they have banned smoking..................beacuse it is a fire hazard.

and here is my .02 sents "I think you non-smokers and you born again nonsmokers otto mind your own god dam Ps-n-Qs

[pitbull]

Sorry guys,I didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest,I was only asking about the US laws.

In the style of the "what I learnt" threads I will have a go.

What I learnt about posting this thread is

1) All Americans are very passionate about their beliefs (good thing)

2)All smokers stink

3)All smokers are anti-social

4)Non smokers have the right to breathe clean air

5)Non-smokers have the right to verbally abuse smokers.

6)Smoke smell is worse than  perfume or ar$e gas

7)The US laws on smoking are not as bad as UK laws,,,yet.

8)This is too much so I'm going for a smoke.

Pitbull

[BIG--T]

I'll be nicer (and not smoke) when people get smarter (Ban STUPIDITY First! ) ! ! !

If Hotglue grows his own baccer, it won't have 4,000 deadly chemicals in it!

[MP]

The way I see it, it is a double standard. It's ok to drink, get drunk and wipe out a whole family at one time or go crazy with an AK-47 and leave piles of bodies.

Just wondering, Where is it OK to do the above?  Seems to me those are wrong everywhere?  But, maybe in your town and state they are legal?

MP

[Michvalk]

I generally find the biggest complainers about cigarette smoke are the ex-smokers.

[BIG--T]

Smoke'm if ya got 'em....
and have a drink....

But hey... I grow my own tobacco,  and blend and age my own whiskey.....

I will be considerate.......  but if someone thinks they are gonna tell me what I can do at my place..... they are welcome to leave....

I was hoping that you would post................... seeings that your a fellow welder, you must of read the MSDS sheets for some of the rod and wire that we are exspoed to. (chuckles) now what about some of you backyard mechanics? or you weekend woriors that  fire up the backyard  wood fired BBQs or burns wood to keep warm in the winter? the chemicals that some of you unknowingly exspose yoursefs to yes i am talking about you people that use gas,diesel,mineral spirets and brak-kleen(red or green can) carb cleaner,car wax, armor-all.............how about them little x-mass trees that you hang from your rear-view mirror? your ax spray on deoderant fre-breeze, ( ok who sprays the daylights out of the bathroom so thier crap dont stink?)your old spice swagger and the list goes on and on. (wont even get into food thing) the crap and chemicals you people exspose yourselves to. then you hope up that soap box and tell me that i am messing up your health with alittle bit of ciggarette smoke? oh wait a minute lets make this motorcycle related,  I think we all have been to motorcycle rallies,bike weeks.(and yes i am gonna point the finger) hotglues gatherings of the fools................the cigar smoke,the smoke from the smoking brisket. and some of you will drool till your stupid over BBQ and hot sauce. and you people think that you have the right to complain about my smoking? it aint like i blow it into your face,light up in your car,house. i have accually worked in welding shops where they have banned smoking..................beacuse it is a fire hazard.

and here is my .02 sents "I think you non-smokers and you born again nonsmokers otto mind your own god dam Ps-n-Qs

Well it's good to know there's two fellow welders on board. You made some good points about household chemicals and what's in the garage and diesel or car smoke you're right behind especially on your bike. Yes the welding rod boxes have had a warning on them ever since I can remember, plus I used to even smoke under my shield, or using a cutting torch, grinding..just name it. That's not counting cutting off asbestos insulation to rework some pipe before they found out that was bad for you! So in contsruction, building and working on all kinds of plants including nuclear there is no telling what's lurking in my lungs. I do know those 6010's and 7018's sho do put out some smoke!

[dreamaker]

Smoke'm if ya got 'em....
and have a drink....

But hey... I grow my own tobacco,  and blend and age my own whiskey.....

I will be considerate.......  but if someone thinks they are gonna tell me what I can do at my place..... they are welcome to leave....

I was hoping that you would post................... seeings that your a fellow welder, you must of read the MSDS sheets for some of the rod and wire that we are exspoed to. (chuckles) now what about some of you backyard mechanics? or you weekend woriors that  fire up the backyard  wood fired BBQs or burns wood to keep warm in the winter? the chemicals that some of you unknowingly exspose yoursefs to yes i am talking about you people that use gas,diesel,mineral spirets and brak-kleen(red or green can) carb cleaner,car wax, armor-all.............how about them little x-mass trees that you hang from your rear-view mirror? your ax spray on deoderant fre-breeze, ( ok who sprays the daylights out of the bathroom so thier crap dont stink?)your old spice swagger and the list goes on and on. (wont even get into food thing) the crap and chemicals you people exspose yourselves to. then you hope up that soap box and tell me that i am messing up your health with alittle bit of ciggarette smoke? oh wait a minute lets make this motorcycle related,  I think we all have been to motorcycle rallies,bike weeks.(and yes i am gonna point the finger) hotglues gatherings of the fools................the cigar smoke,the smoke from the smoking brisket. and some of you will drool till your stupid over BBQ and hot sauce. and you people think that you have the right to complain about my smoking? it aint like i blow it into your face,light up in your car,house. i have accually worked in welding shops where they have banned smoking..................beacuse it is a fire hazard.

and here is my .02 sents "I think you non-smokers and you born again nonsmokers otto mind your own god dam Ps-n-Qs

Well it's good to know there's two fellow welders on board. You made some good points about household chemicals and what's in the garage and diesel or car smoke you're right behind especially on your bike. Yes the welding rod boxes have had a warning on them ever since I can remember, plus I used to even smoke under my shield, or using a cutting torch, grinding..just name it. That's not counting cutting off asbestos insulation to rework some pipe before they found out that was bad for you! So in contsruction, building and working on all kinds of plants including nuclear there is no telling what's lurking in my lungs. I do know those 6010's and 7018's sho do put out some smoke!

7018 isn't that low hydrogen rod,  remember the stick welding days.  I started welding in 1965, I use to do mig, tig, arc and gas and I can feel it now.

[BIG--T]

The way I see it, it is a double standard. It's ok to drink, get drunk and wipe out a whole family at one time or go crazy with an AK-47 and leave piles of bodies.

Just wondering, Where is it OK to do the above?  Seems to me those are wrong everywhere?  But, maybe in your town and state they are legal?

MP

You know it's not "OK" anywhere! I was just making a simple point that smokers kill only theirselves if concious about second hand smoke and that one drunk can and has wiped out entire innocent families or break out an automatic weapon and slaughter people. I was an alcoholic and only by the Grace of God did I not crash and kill innocent people, even though I did wipe out a few time only hurting myself and vehicle. I was also CRAZY- 10 foot tall and bullet proof when I drink and done some stupid stuff...and always had a gun in my vehicle. As I said..Only by the grace of God that I didn't make the news!

[hotglue #43]

Yeah.... welding will really 'dirty; up yer nose...
But when I cook for the BBQ... I get so much wood smoke , that I really can't taste the BBQ... I can tell how tender and juicy it is... but can't Really taste it.  I get my smeller back in a couple days..LOL.. then i can taste the meat!!!!!

Maybe this year I will cook broccli, cabbage and hard boiled eggs!!!!!!   Then everyone can offend themselves!!!!



NOT....

[BIG--T]

I generally find the biggest complainers about cigarette smoke are the ex-smokers.

Not me brother, I have compassion for them because I know how hard it is to stop and at times I still crave one but choose not to. Just like an alcoholic for me..I can't have not even one puff!!  

[BIG--T]

Smoke'm if ya got 'em....
and have a drink....

But hey... I grow my own tobacco,  and blend and age my own whiskey.....

I will be considerate.......  but if someone thinks they are gonna tell me what I can do at my place..... they are welcome to leave....

I was hoping that you would post................... seeings that your a fellow welder, you must of read the MSDS sheets for some of the rod and wire that we are exspoed to. (chuckles) now what about some of you backyard mechanics? or you weekend woriors that  fire up the backyard  wood fired BBQs or burns wood to keep warm in the winter? the chemicals that some of you unknowingly exspose yoursefs to yes i am talking about you people that use gas,diesel,mineral spirets and brak-kleen(red or green can) carb cleaner,car wax, armor-all.............how about them little x-mass trees that you hang from your rear-view mirror? your ax spray on deoderant fre-breeze, ( ok who sprays the daylights out of the bathroom so thier crap dont stink?)your old spice swagger and the list goes on and on. (wont even get into food thing) the crap and chemicals you people exspose yourselves to. then you hope up that soap box and tell me that i am messing up your health with alittle bit of ciggarette smoke? oh wait a minute lets make this motorcycle related,  I think we all have been to motorcycle rallies,bike weeks.(and yes i am gonna point the finger) hotglues gatherings of the fools................the cigar smoke,the smoke from the smoking brisket. and some of you will drool till your stupid over BBQ and hot sauce. and you people think that you have the right to complain about my smoking? it aint like i blow it into your face,light up in your car,house. i have accually worked in welding shops where they have banned smoking..................beacuse it is a fire hazard.

and here is my .02 sents "I think you non-smokers and you born again nonsmokers otto mind your own god dam Ps-n-Qs

Well it's good to know there's two fellow welders on board. You made some good points about household chemicals and what's in the garage and diesel or car smoke you're right behind especially on your bike. Yes the welding rod boxes have had a warning on them ever since I can remember, plus I used to even smoke under my shield, or using a cutting torch, grinding..just name it. That's not counting cutting off asbestos insulation to rework some pipe before they found out that was bad for you! So in contsruction, building and working on all kinds of plants including nuclear there is no telling what's lurking in my lungs. I do know those 6010's and 7018's sho do put out some smoke!

7018 isn't that low hydrogen rod,  remember the stick welding days.  I started welding in 1965, I use to do mig, tig, arc and gas and I can feel it now.

Yeah 7018 is a low hydrogen rod, but the shirt burners (6010 or 5P) really put out some smoke and fire! Lol Mig is not to bad but tig is the best! I started in 1971 and I can also sure feel it now too!

[BIG--T]

Yeah.... welding will really 'dirty; up yer nose...
But when I cook for the BBQ... I get so much wood smoke , that I really can't taste the BBQ... I can tell how tender and juicy it is... but can't Really taste it.  I get my smeller back in a couple days..LOL.. then i can taste the meat!!!!!

Maybe this year I will cook broccli, cabbage and hard boiled eggs!!!!!!   Then everyone can offend themselves!!!!



NOT....

Yep, little black buggers!  Yeah I think I'd rather smell smoke than what you're talking about!

[Mr. Nuts]

Having a smoking section in a public building is like having a peeing section in a public pool.

I smoked 4 packs a day until March 1, 2001. Glad I don't have to do that anymore.

I regret all the people I harmed with my second hand smoke over 30 years. I'm glad society is waking up to the fact that people like me were hurting other people who didn't have any say in the matter.

I'm still grateful for our smokers. They pay HUGE taxes that help keep my taxes lower. They are literally killing themselves so I can pay less...and I certainly do appreciate it. I just don't want to be around them while they do it.

[Chrisj CMA]

Very interesting reading.  I didnt get through all of them but I will soon (maybe).  Well, I do believe that most laws are created to SOLVE something. 

There are two things going on here that together (I think) make this whole smoking thing more clear.

1.  Sometime back in the late 70's (I was a young airman in the AirForce) I can remember the government starting to push rules that essentially gave individuals the right to not be offended.  Seems before that time if you stood up and complained that something realitively harmless (like a cross in the desert) offended you you were told to sit down, shut up and get over it. 

Now you get a laywer and usually win the suit

2.  Seems some time after we gained the right to never be offended, many lost the ability to act respectfully and consider the other person.  So we started growing a society of selve absorbed self centered people that were lacking in parental supervision in the area of personal responsibility

So they got out of control

More law suits, more inconsiderate @$$holes and then...


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