tomorrow is the big day for 'Obamacare'

[musclehead]

anyone want to go on record with a guess on whats going to happen?

I'm not sure how it's going to end up. 

[Thespian]

 I'ts A tossup, but I think it would have a better chance if they called it by its real name. The nationalized Mitt medical plan. 

 I don't trust the supers to make non partisan rulings these days.     

[old2soon]

Could be well and truly fd either way it goes. Do like they told us to do in the service-stick yer head tween yer legs reach up and kiss yer a$$ goombye. RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

Boy oh boy,, I'm not making any bets on this one.. When it comes to our SCOTUS you might as well toss a coin..
All the polls I've seen show the vast majority as wanting it repealed..
As for me,, I don't believe the feds have the authority to force this on us.. Regardless,, Starting in Jan. President Mitt will see thats its repealed.. Not to worry..

[Serk]

How do I think it SHOULD go or how do I think it WILL go?

Should: It should be completely revoked, Obama and all congressmen that voted for it should be impeached and removed from office, then indicted and tried for treason.

How it WILL go: Probably a split decision. The individual mandate will get tossed, but the rest will be allowed to stand, at least until January when we can correct that mistake as well.

[Jess from VA]

Believe you've nailed it Serk.

It has been said that without the individual mandate the entire program cannot work, so it all should go, but that will probably not happen.

Of course, Kagan, Sotomayor and Ginsburg will dissent.  But I am wondering about Breyer.

[Chattanooga Mark]

Let's see....the government can force me to purchase something from a private company that the government designed whether or not I want it or think I need it. I can't imagine why anyone would support such a power grab. Maybe next the government will force me to purchase a Koran and force me to go to government mandated classes to read it. All in an attempt to get me to understand this religion of peace and promote national peace. Bet that same government mandated class would make me skip the many, many pasages that say I have to be converted or killed.

Maybe next the government can pass a law forcing us all to eat rice cakes for at least one meal a day to 'promote national health'. I doubt this same regime would pass a law forcing me to purchase a handgun for my own self defense and protection though.

Anyone who supports any form of an individual mandate is a partisian in the highest magnitude. Those same 'supporters' would rally against this same idea if the president had an R after his name. Liberalism truly is a mental disorder. Their mantra being I want it, I don't care what you think so we'll force our beliefs onto you.

Obamacare v Romneycare...it's illegal for the Federal government to do what the Dems passed but it's perfectly leagal according to the Mass state constitution.

Mark

[Bob E.]

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder. Their mantra being I want it, I don't care what you think so we'll force our beliefs onto you.

Puh-lease!    And this is different from conservatism how?? 

The ACA is NOT a Liberal Plan.  Let's not forget that this idea of an individual mandate is a conservative idea put forth by the republicans and originally supported by the Heritage Foundation and most reps in congress as the alternative to Hillary-care back in the 90's.  The only reason we even have this type of health care law is because the dems moved so far to the right to try and get a few rep votes from those who had very recently supported the idea.  And that is the reason there are so many that oppose the law.  Conservatives don't like it because the Dems passed it (even though it was their idea and they liked it very much a few years ago) and Liberals don't like it because it is too conservative.

I have mixed emotions about whether I want it to be overturned or not.  On one hand, I don't like the law because I'd prefer a real overhaul of our health insurance system like single-payer, or at least the "Public Option".  Furthermore, letting it stand will make it even harder to move in that direction.  However, I, and over 70% of Americans according to a recent poll, like many of the aspects of the law like elimination of pre-existing conditions, lifetime maximums, minimum standards, etc. and don't want to go back to the way it was and view the law as better than nothing.  And since I don't have any confidence that a better alternative can get done with this congress, I hope it stands.

[G-Man]

Just remember that when you allow the gov't to pay for your care, they are allowed to tell you how to live.  We see it now in our cities.  Bloomberg says that diabetes and obesity costs the city a lot of money so they are regulating what and how restaurants cook, what they can serve and how they can serve it, even how they display there menus........all to modify your behavior in order to curb costs.  Is there anyone that really thinks things will get better as gov't takes more and more control?  If so, why?  I never get the answer to why?   

And BTW, the gov't also controls what food stamps will pay for.  They put the denomination on a debit card and the debit card accepts or refuses certain purchases.  Well, there are storefronts popping up that buy gold, gift cards, etc.  They also buy the food stamp cards for 50% of the value.  Someone I know buys 5 a day from people that would rather have the cash than what they can buy with the card.  Yet another fine way the gov't manages it programs and our money.

[Serk]

Wow, looks like the court let this thing stand, if the early reports are to be believed...

...which means we will redouble our efforts to defeat Obama so this cancer can be cleaned out of our country through congress and the White House instead of the quick surgical cure we were hoping for.

[solo1]

I'm seeing one result of ObamaCare right now personally!  BTW it's Obamacare to me no matter what the official title.is.

The company that I retired from dropped our group insurance as of July 1 .  It, and Medicare, was working fine for me.  The company saw the handwriting on the wall tho.

I have been forced, by practicality and financially, into a Medicare Advantage Plan devised by the AARP (I no longer belong to AARP., they are in the insurance business and were all for OBAMACARE).   After I signed up I noted in the news that the Abominable Administration by devious means, set aside some 8 billion bucks to 'shore up' the Medicare Advantage Plans and make them look like a bargain until after the FIRST OF 2013.  The Administration has already been told that the 8 billion allotted for the shore up, is not technically legal.
Does that sound familiar?

Today, no matter what happens, I believe that the situation with health care is FUBAR!

[Patrick]

The court has just upheld [ 5 to 4] the individual mandate which will now become a tax..

[Fudd]

The court has just upheld [ 5 to 4] the individual mandate which will now become a tax..

Here is the report from MSN:

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12457822-supreme-court-upholds-health-care-law?lite

[Chattanooga Mark]

Now they can 'tax' you into exactly what they want you to do. If the government controls your healthcare, they control you. What you do and what you eat can now easily be regulated by politicians. Those who support this have no idea what they may actually get.

What's to stop them from doubling healthcare costs for those who have dangerous hobbies like motorcycling, downhill skiing etc. etc. etc.

Hold on, it's going to get bumpy!

Conservatives - you live your life, I live mine. Have a nice day.

Liberalism - you live your life how you want unless liberals disagree. Then thel'll force you to live your life how they deem neccessary.

All the best,

Mark

[big d]

well, its legal as a tax   i thought they were fighting that it was not a tax. what happened. guess they lied.. i know i am shocked..

[solo1]

I said just a few minutes ago that health care is FUBAR.   Now, Unless things change in the election, the Republic as we know it, is FUBAR

[grandpaweaver]

just read the report, was shocked thought it was sure to be shot down. I'm a small business owner and this just may put an end to it.

It's time for American's to take control and get rid of the whole bunch but I don't see it happening cause I talk to a bunch of idiots every day that think that guy in that office is ok. Can't stand him can't even mention his name.

It's just too bad no one else running is offering a better idea.

[Chattanooga Mark]

Folks, I'm very conservative. But I like the concept of everyone paying for healthcare. The issue that some bring up is that we have X number of people without healthcare. That's flat out not true. Many of our hospitals are going broke because they mandate themselves to treat everyone regardless of their citizen status or healthcare coverage. I can easily see if Obama gets re-elected that in January we'll see your healthcare tax being adjusted for your gender, height, weight, occupation, hobbies, income, credit rating etc. etc. etc. Pretty much like most life insurance cost is based on. And I don't really have an issue with that. You want to be 5'5" and 300 pounds, OK, but you'll pay for it in healthcare tax. You also want to ride a motorcycle, ok again, but your tax will go up even more.

Mark

[LandElephant]

No, what you will see is no small business will exceed 50 employees and the big ones will either get an exemption or drop healthcare altogether and pay the fines.

Talk about slow growth.

Charlie Morse
Land Elephant

[G-Man]

You want to be 5'5" and 300 pounds, OK, but you'll pay for it in healthcare tax. You also want to ride a motorcycle, ok again, but your tax will go up even more.

Mark

My uncle has ridden for over 50 years and never went down.  Why should he pay more?  My Dad is 76-years-old and weighs 350.  He's been big all his life and never had any more health problems than any one else.  Why should he pay more?

Health insurance should be just that....INSURANCE.  But that's not what it's morphed into and not what people expect any longer.  People want plans where they pay very little, but someone else pays for their health costs from the sniffles to birthcontrol devices.  Rediculous! 

[grandpaweaver]

They will also control doctors and hospitals, there is already a shortage of qualified nurses. Where will we be in 10 years when no young people do into the health business because no future in it.

[HayHauler]

Welcome to Greece.

Hay

[BIG--T]

Wow, I really thougt that would be shot down!  Yes welcome to Greece and worse.  The Brits and other European countries have warned us about this and all the problems with it. I guess our well educated, ivory league career politicians and others didn't listen. 

[f6john]

   Well one thing is for sure things are going to get better or things are going to get worse. The changes our elected officals are making will definitely end the status quo.

[Bob E.]

The next question will be, "Where is all the outrage over the GOP questioning the authority or legitimacy of the SCOTUS?" 

[BigAl]

Health Care has just sunk his boat.

Wait and see , people love freedom and when they feel it threatened

they respond,

In a mad and contentious way.

Healthcare is gonna bring him down.

[Gear Jammer]

and the Romney campaign received over $100k within the first hour after the decision.  As one Rep said, "they've awakened a sleeping giant".   now to go make a donation myself.  
https://www.mittromney.com/donate

[Jess Tolbirt]

something i dont understand, How is a friend of mine supposed to buy insurance when she has no income? she had to quit working because of copd over 10 years ago but while she was married she was covered on his insurance,, now that she is divorced and having to live with a friend just to exist with no income how is she supposed to get insurance? i just dont get it,,

[Bob E.]

something i dont understand, How is a friend of mine supposed to buy insurance when she has no income? she had to quit working because of copd over 10 years ago but while she was married she was covered on his insurance,, now that she is divorced and having to live with a friend just to exist with no income how is she supposed to get insurance? i just dont get it,,

Three things here are important.  First, if she has had a long term disease like COPD, individual insurance on the open market probably wasn't even available even if she could afford it.  The ACA now will make it available to her because there will be no pre-existing conditions criteria for acceptance.  Second, the ACA provides subsidies for people and families with incomes less than 400% of the poverty line.  So there will be financial help available to her. And third, though I'm not sure it will apply to her without knowing her exact situation, the ACA provides for an expansion of Medicaid, which is a health insurance program for poor and disabled people who cannot otherwise afford it.  This law is aimed at helping folks exactly like your friend.

[oZ]

something i dont understand, How is a friend of mine supposed to buy insurance when she has no income? she had to quit working because of copd over 10 years ago but while she was married she was covered on his insurance,, now that she is divorced and having to live with a friend just to exist with no income how is she supposed to get insurance? i just dont get it,,

Three things here are important.  First, if she has had a long term disease like COPD, individual insurance on the open market probably wasn't even available even if she could afford it.  The ACA now will make it available to her because there will be no pre-existing conditions criteria for acceptance.  Second, the ACA provides subsidies for people and families with incomes less than 400% of the poverty line.  So there will be financial help available to her. And third, though I'm not sure it will apply to her without knowing her exact situation, the ACA provides for an expansion of Medicaid, which is a health insurance program for poor and disabled people who cannot otherwise afford it.  This law is aimed at helping folks exactly like your friend.

Where do you guys live? East Elks Breath, Botswana? You definitely don't live in SoCal, I know this is getting tiresome but 37 years in the hospital. We spend on average 900,000 per month on indigent care. In our Mission Statement we vow to never turn anyone away and besides our four hospitals there are about 7 other non-profit hospitals within 20 miles that have the same policies. Screw insurance and take her to a hospital for crying out loud!

The ACA is not needed, something is but that's another discussion.

Do not believe ACA is about a healthier U.S., it's a power grab!  My E-Team (Administration - CEO and the Senior Vice Presidents) have all been reliable democrats for 30 years of my employment.  NOW all but one have left the Dem party. Quote the Bosses, "this is no longer the party of John F. Kennedy, nor is it a party in support of a republic, this party - the Current Democratic Party is a socialist party wanting to centralize all power".

Lord help us all. One more shot at sanity then the last great hope on the planet shall fade into history.

Pray for your children and more importantly your grand children, for a strange and foreign world awaits them.

I love quotes, a wise man once said: “Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.”

Who was this man?

[oZ]

Did I say I love quotes: Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

[Serk]

As the bumper sticker I just ordered says:

ROMNEY 2012
Because sometimes crap happens, and you have to vote for it.

[john]

the man was ...
         winston churchill                 

      " this is no longer the party of John F. Kennedy, nor is it a party in support of a republic, this party - the Current Democratic Party is a socialist party wanting to centralize all power".

   WORD               

what happen to ?
 " ask not what your country can do for you ... 
 ask what you can do for your country "

[Jess from VA]

Did I say I love quotes: Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Perfect definition.

[Ramjet]

As if the National debt wasn't rising fast enough already!!

[G-Man]

something i dont understand, How is a friend of mine supposed to buy insurance when she has no income? she had to quit working because of copd over 10 years ago but while she was married she was covered on his insurance,, now that she is divorced and having to live with a friend just to exist with no income how is she supposed to get insurance? i just dont get it,,

THESE are the folks who do need assistance.  And we already have it.  It's called Medicade, or public assistance.  But, it shouldn't cost almost 2 trillion, require the addition of 16,000 IRS agents, require thousands of waivers due to compliance inabilities, and the country shouldn't have had to endure watching them ram a 2700 page bill down our throats with lies, bribes, and political games taken to a level never seen before.   We could help your friend without the gov't taking over school loans as well.

[G-Man]

something i dont understand, How is a friend of mine supposed to buy insurance when she has no income? she had to quit working because of copd over 10 years ago but while she was married she was covered on his insurance,, now that she is divorced and having to live with a friend just to exist with no income how is she supposed to get insurance? i just dont get it,,

Three things here are important.  First, if she has had a long term disease like COPD, individual insurance on the open market probably wasn't even available even if she could afford it.  The ACA now will make it available to her because there will be no pre-existing conditions criteria for acceptance.  Second, the ACA provides subsidies for people and families with incomes less than 400% of the poverty line.  So there will be financial help available to her. And third, though I'm not sure it will apply to her without knowing her exact situation, the ACA provides for an expansion of Medicaid, which is a health insurance program for poor and disabled people who cannot otherwise afford it.  This law is aimed at helping folks exactly like your friend.

The country already had all of the above,.....so why did we need a law that costs almost $2,000,000,000,000?  There was/is already public assistance for those that needed it.  Now we still have it, but it costs alot more.  Why should a mandate on who insurnce companies cover have to cost the country 2 trillion?  Why should covering kids for an additional 5 years cost 2 trillion?  Why should insuring 30 million cost 2 trillion? (that's about $60,000 per person).  Why should cutting Medicare by half a billion cost 2 trillion?

Yes, those with pre-existing HAVE to be covered.  But there is nothing in the law that says for how much.  The insurance will be so high, they'll have to go onto the public system anyway.  But why does it need to cost 2 trillion?

[cookiedough]

All I know is our family health care coverage premiums have went up this year every 2 weeks out of my wife's paycheck even though instead of having to pay only 25 bucks per office visit with nearly everything else covered 100% last year mostly,  this year we pay around 44% of the bill to our 500 bucks limit until insurance starts kicking in.  Basically, insurance is worthless for us now UNLESS we have a major medical problem or need surgery say costing us over 5,000 bucks and yet we pay thru the nose every 2 weeks for basically nothing since we do not use it.  Next year I bet with obamacare in effect, our premiums will be going up even more to help pay for those who do not have insurance which sucks even more.  Whatever happened to people paying their fair share who ACTUALLY use health insurance?  It is families like us who rarely use health insurance that should be lowering our premiums nationwide, NOT increasing it.  I guess we will see how this pans out but can't see it looking good for us.  Premiums will be going up nationwide overall the way I see it thus putting employers out of business since they cannot afford to pay their premiums or even offer health insurance anymore.  This is going to suck big time for future generations and when I get older and may actually then need health insurance and probably not have it.  Same can be said for social security.  By the time I need it age 70 or so in another 30 years, there will be nothing left to give to live off of.  Boy, I am a pessimist. 

[Patrick]

Geeeez Ramjet.. I'm still trying to squash that bug !!

[Bob E.]

The country already had all of the above,.....

If that were true, then why are medical costs one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in this country?  And by the way, bankruptcy is just another way that additional costs are passed on to the rest of us through more avenues than just health care costs.