Religous debates are pointless

[Alien]

Here's my take on the religous debate on another thread (I don't feel the need to further hijack that thread).  I don't care what anyone believes or doesn't believe.  I'm not interested in being preached to or browbeaten by anyone, even if I agree with you.  Religion/faith/belief/non-belief is a personal matter and should remain so.

I respect Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu's, Druids, Sun worshippers, Satanists, Athiests, Agnostics, Wiccans etc..  I consider all of them friends until they try to force their beliefs on myself or others.  Then I consider them douchebags.

As for my own beliefs or lack thereof, I keep that to myself.  We would all do well to do the same.  

NO ONE WILL EVER CHANGE THEIR BELIEFS BASED ON SOMETHING THAT THEY READ HERE.  NO ONE.  EVER.

I respect you all, regardless of your beliefs or lack thereof.  I just don't want to hear it.  There are plenty of other places to go for endless debates of that nature.


Lighten up (It's summer and we have motorcycles) and ride safe,

Scott

P.S.  The same can be said of political debates.

[Serk]

Religious debates, I 100% agree with you.

Politics however, I can see benefits of discussing and debating. Discussing political issues forces me to really examine why I stand where I stand, and sometimes that can cause me to refine my own stance, or even change my own mind. Believe it or not, it has happened, and most likely will happen again...

(So wait, are we now arguing about arguing?  )

[Alien]

Serk, I see your point on the political stuff.

[Jabba]

Huh... I haven't seen hardly ANY political or religious posts for weeks...

HOW did THAT happen?

Oh yeah... I don't OPEN 'em.   

Jabba

[Chrisj CMA]

Here's my take on the religous debate on another thread (I don't feel the need to further hijack that thread).  I don't care what anyone believes or doesn't believe.  I'm not interested in being preached to or browbeaten by anyone, even if I agree with you.  Religion/faith/belief/non-belief is a personal matter and should remain so.

I respect Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu's, Druids, Sun worshippers, Satanists, Athiests, Agnostics, Wiccans etc..  I consider all of them friends until they try to force their beliefs on myself or others.  Then I consider them douchebags.

As for my own beliefs or lack thereof, I keep that to myself.  We would all do well to do the same.  

NO ONE WILL EVER CHANGE THEIR BELIEFS BASED ON SOMETHING THAT THEY READ HERE.  NO ONE.  EVER.

I respect you all, regardless of your beliefs or lack thereof.  I just don't want to hear it.  There are plenty of other places to go for endless debates of that nature.


Lighten up (It's summer and we have motorcycles) and ride safe,

Scott

P.S.  The same can be said of political debates.

Very sensitive you are......I agree no one should "browbeat" anyone over their personal beliefs........however explaining why one believes what they believe in a way that can allow someone else to have a clearer understanding should do the opposite of offending, unless one is over sensitive............like most of the outspoken athiests in this country.....way over sensitive.

I have said it before, and Ill keep saying it........you have to be a glutton for punishment to get "browbeated" in a forum like this where all you have to do to make the offensive conversation stop is HIT THE BACK BUTTON.

I think maybe you need to heed your own advise and LIGHTEN UP as well.......ya think

[3fan4life]

OK

1) So you don't care what your friends believe, so long as they keep their beliefs to themselves.

2) You have religious / spiritual convictions but refuse to share them with ANYONE.


Just remember,


If you or anyone believes that they have found the path to Heaven and refuse to share it with someone............


YOU are essentially telling that person to.............

"Go to HELL" 

[Alien]

OK

1) So you don't care what your friends believe, so long as they keep their beliefs to themselves.

2) You have religious / spiritual convictions but refuse to share them with ANYONE.


Yes, exactly!

[BF]

My God is better than your God.   

[3fan4life]

OK

1) So you don't care what your friends believe, so long as they keep their beliefs to themselves.

2) You have religious / spiritual convictions but refuse to share them with ANYONE.


Yes, exactly!

YOU would make a really good politician............

They quote people and leave out the parts that they don't like all the time too.........

Just remember,


If you or anyone believes that they have found the path to Heaven and refuse to share it with someone............


YOU are essentially telling that person to.............

"Go to HELL" 

NOW it's fixed.

[Dogg]

Yeah, well, I like pie...

[Serk]

Yeah, well, I like pie...

[bscrive]

My God is better than your God.   

He/She/It must be because I don't have one. 

[G-Man]

Yeah, well, I like pie...

You know, it's very un-American of you to not use an apple pie.  I bet you even ride a japanese motorcycle, right?   

[sandy]

Just like my Hondas, whether Key Lime or Apple, they were all baked in America.

[G-Man]

Just like my Hondas, whether Key Lime or Apple, they were all baked in America.

Touche'......but the's Frech, right?   

[Robert]

Well opinions are like,,well we all have them some maybe two, I guess somebody else posted their opinion in a religious post, but what makes you think your post is any different? I go by quite a few posts that I consider not to my liking, there are some on the board who do have a relationship with Jesus and who like not badgering posts but supportive ones. But as we all know they can become heated. In posting this you have stated your position a position that I dont agree with. To me if you do have a relationship with someone and you admire them then you will tell people how proud and happy you are with them. I have seen many talking about the dog that passed away or the relative that is not feeling well. I would also stand up for anyone of my friends if they got into it with someone or they said something disparaging about them. I will certainly do this for the one I owe my salvation to and the one that has provided me with so much. I talk about alot of things cars, Jesus, Home improvements, Jesus, my friends, Jesus, my Valk, oh and did I mention Jesus??? So you may want to be silent about whatever you believe but personally I like to talk and share about the things in my life I like. Especially about the one that saved me. If someone is having problems I dont want to shove religion on them but in my relationship with Jesus I believe I have found the way to help people beyond what money and people or just about what anything else can do so in caring and just general talking I will talk about Jesus. The best advice I have is dont click the post but let others express themselves the way they feel they need to, that is respect not silencing them.

[Alien]

Fair enough

[art]

Here's my take on the religous debate on another thread (I don't feel the need to further hijack that thread).  I don't care what anyone believes or doesn't believe.  I'm not interested in being preached to or browbeaten by anyone, even if I agree with you.  Religion/faith/belief/non-belief is a personal matter and should remain so.

I respect Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu's, Druids, Sun worshippers, Satanists, Athiests, Agnostics, Wiccans etc..  I consider all of them friends until they try to force their beliefs on myself or others.  Then I consider them douchebags.

As for my own beliefs or lack thereof, I keep that to myself.  We would all do well to do the same.  

NO ONE WILL EVER CHANGE THEIR BELIEFS BASED ON SOMETHING THAT THEY READ HERE.  NO ONE.  EVER.

I respect you all, regardless of your beliefs or lack thereof.  I just don't want to hear it.  There are plenty of other places to go for endless debates of that nature.


Lighten up (It's summer and we have motorcycles) and ride safe,

Scott

P.S.  The same can be said of political debates.

I agree 100% I'm tired of seeing all the reglious crap on a motorcycle related board.I don't care ,don't need it and don't want to have some hypocrite preaching to me and then talking bad about other peoples beliefs.

[Willow]

... and don't want to have some hypocrite preaching to me and then talking bad about other peoples beliefs.

   So, would that qualify as talking bad about other people's beliefs?    

I try to remember that when I point my finger at someone else, I have three pointing back to myself, but then I've never denied my own hypocrisy. 

[Clark]

Here's my take on the religous debate on another thread (I don't feel the need to further hijack that thread).  I don't care what anyone believes or doesn't believe.  I'm not interested in being preached to or browbeaten by anyone, even if I agree with you.  Religion/faith/belief/non-belief is a personal matter and should remain so.

I respect Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu's, Druids, Sun worshippers, Satanists, Athiests, Agnostics, Wiccans etc..  I consider all of them friends until they try to force their beliefs on myself or others.  Then I consider them douchebags.

As for my own beliefs or lack thereof, I keep that to myself.  We would all do well to do the same.  

NO ONE WILL EVER CHANGE THEIR BELIEFS BASED ON SOMETHING THAT THEY READ HERE.  NO ONE.  EVER.

I respect you all, regardless of your beliefs or lack thereof.  I just don't want to hear it.  There are plenty of other places to go for endless debates of that nature.


Lighten up (It's summer and we have motorcycles) and ride safe,

Scott

P.S.  The same can be said of political debates.

I agree 100% I'm tired of seeing all the reglious crap on a motorcycle related board.I don't care ,don't need it and don't want to have some hypocrite preaching to me and then talking bad about other peoples beliefs.

yeah butt ...yer from oregon

[SANDMAN5]

The point I've made several times thru the years.....if someone wants
to be, let's say, an athiest...that's just fine. Be the best athiest you can
be. BUT, don't try to tell me the Bible is wrong unless you've got PROOF,
not opinions or ideas. As has been said dozens of times, it's not about proof,
it's about belief. I BELIEVE the Bible is true..you can believe it or not. Your
option. When I bring up Jesus, God, or the Bible in a conversation, I see how
the other person reacts. If they're interested in discussing it I'm more than
happy to oblige. If they're not interested or change the subject, I drop it. As
a Christian it's my JOB to spread the Gospel....not FORCE it on anyone. Some
religious people get too carried away with that. Personally, I don't care much for
religions. They usually get between people and God.

[Alien]

I agree 100%.  I have no problem with someone asking me if I'd like to talk about faith/religon.  My problem comes in when people refuse to take no for an answer.

The problem isn't faith, it's arguing faith with the misguided thought that you can change someones mind about their own deeply held beliefs.


FWIW, I'm not an athiest.

[art]

I grew up as a catholic and they preached that it was the only true religion as do the others.I am not very reglious an would not push my beliefs on anybody.I do not like it when others do it to me .What dose being in Or. have to do with it? I was born in Ma. lived in CA.for thirty years and lived in Az for ten.Religion is the cause of lots of the problems in the world today.

[donaldcc]

... and don't want to have some hypocrite preaching to me and then talking bad about other peoples beliefs.

   So, would that qualify as talking bad about other people's beliefs?    

I try to remember that when I point my finger at someone else, I have three pointing back to myself, but then I've never denied my own hypocrisy.  

  so, i'm supporting a buddy . . . art.  it does seem a little odd to have all this religious debate on biker forum.  

  i really don't care what gets posted and like to read most, so post away, whatever it is you desire.  i do opt out frequently on the religious falderal by not opening.

  how's the weather up there art?  hot as hell (no religious implications) down here now.  

[SANDMAN5]

FWIW, I'm not an athiest.

Sorry, I wasn't using the "specific" you....just the "in general" you.
It's easier to type than "someone". 

[Paxton]

Anatole France once wrote; "It is the certainty that they possess the truth, which makes men cruel...   
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion (and a bunch of Valkyries!)" 

  "You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." 
— Anne Lamott

[Time Worp]

  "You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."  
— Anne Lamott

Very true, Hence why the English god look like the English "Jesus", the Hindu deities look like Hindu's, the Chinese Supreme God looks like the Chinese, Why the [Insert culture here] god looks like  [Insert culture here].

[art]

... and don't want to have some hypocrite preaching to me and then talking bad about other peoples beliefs.

   So, would that qualify as talking bad about other people's beliefs?    

I try to remember that when I point my finger at someone else, I have three pointing back to myself, but then I've never denied my own hypocrisy.  

  so, i'm supporting a buddy . . . art.  it does seem a little odd to have all this religious debate on biker forum.  

  i really don't care what gets posted and like to read most, so post away, whatever it is you desire.  i do opt out frequently on the religious falderal by not opening.

  how's the weather up there art?  hot as hell (no religious implications) down here now.  

Hi Doc nice to hear from you,miss riding with you also.The weather here is very hot for Or. Down in the valleys its been around 99 and humid.Went to crater lake with a friend and there is still six foot drifts and part of the rim is closed to traffic due to the snow.On the way home I was on the verge of heat exhaustion from the heat and humidity.It took me  a few hours to cool down .I haven't ridden since,maybe this weekend.Art

[SANDMAN5]

Very true, Hence why the English god look like the English "Jesus", the Hindu deities look like Hindu's, the Chinese Supreme God looks like the Chinese, Why the [Insert culture here] god looks like  [Insert culture here].

Actually, none of them (us) KNOW what He looks like.

[BigAl]

Jesus H Christ

H stands for Holy.

He is the one.

[Alien]

Nifty.

[Paxton]

    If Jesus was Jewish, why did they give him a latino alien name? 

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[Time Worp]

Very true, Hence why the English god look like the English "Jesus", the Hindu deities look like Hindu's, the Chinese Supreme God looks like the Chinese, Why the [Insert culture here] god looks like  [Insert culture here].

Actually, none of them (us) KNOW what He looks like.

Well that depends on their (your) belief or faith. The Shroud of Turin has the negative of an image on it, when reversed it shows an distinctive image of Jesus. As their (your) faith is based on belief. They believe they (you) know what he looks like.

Now if you put your faith in science, carbon dating dates the cloth between 1260AD and 1390AD which would make the Turin a fake and would support your statement "Actually, none of them (us) KNOW what He looks like."

[SANDMAN5]

But I don't put my faith in science.    Also, I don't know or actually care
if the Shroud is the real deal. Real or not it has no effect on my belief.

[Time Worp]

But I don't put my faith in science.    Also, I don't know or actually care
if the Shroud is the real deal. Real or not it has no effect on my belief.

I was presenting evidence disputing your comment "Actually, none of them (us) KNOW what He looks like." I wasn't attacking your belief or disputing your belief. Saying you don't care doesn't change the evidence that their (your) religion believes this is the image of Jesus.  

[3fan4life]

But I don't put my faith in science.    Also, I don't know or actually care
if the Shroud is the real deal. Real or not it has no effect on my belief.

I was presenting evidence disputing your comment "actually they (we) don't know what he look like" I wasent attacking your belief or disputing your belief. Saying you don't care dosen't change the evidence that your religion believes this is the image of Jesus.  

OK Dude I'm calling you out on this one.

The Shroud of Turin is NOT in any way shape or form a fundemental part of the Christian faith.

The Catholic church who is the caretaker of the shroud doesn't even take an official stance as to its authenticity or lack thereof.

The Catholic Church has neither formally endorsed nor rejected the shroud,

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin


Christians worship Jesus not the Shroud of Turin, if they did they would be called Turistians or Shroudians or something like that.

Debate what you want, but use some REAL facts in your debates.

You have made it clear that you believe Christianity or any belief in God to be Foolishness.

It is your right to believe that.

Don't forget that it is a Christian's right to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that by His sacrifice on the cross we are saved.

If some want to believe that the Shroud of Turin was indeed the burial cloth of Jesus then that would also be their right.

If some dismiss it or just don't care one way or the other that is also their right.

NO Christian that is secure in their faith would ever tell you that the Shroud of Turin is the basis of their religion.   

[Time Worp]

OK Dude I'm calling you out on this one.

The Shroud of Turin is NOT in any way shape or form a fundemental part of the Christian faith.

The Catholic church who is the caretaker of the shroud doesn't even take an official stance as to its authenticity or lack thereof.

The Catholic Church has neither formally endorsed nor rejected the shroud,

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin


Christians worship Jesus not the Shroud of Turin, if they did they would be called Turistians or Shroudians or something like that.

Debate what you want, but use some REAL facts in your debates.

You have made it clear that you believe Christianity or any belief in God to be Foolishness.

It is your right to believe that.

Don't forget that it is a Christian's right to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that by His sacrifice on the cross we are saved.

If some want to believe that the Shroud of Turin was indeed the burial cloth of Jesus then that would also be their right.

If some dismiss it or just don't care one way or the other that is also their right.

NO Christian that is secure in their faith would ever tell you that the Shroud of Turin is the basis of their religion.  

Dismiss what doesn't fall inline with belief, I must be out of context.

Familiar augments, My Apologies

[3fan4life]

Dismiss what doesn't fall inline with belief, I must be out of context.

Familiar augments, My Apologies

DUDE WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING ?

I provide you with a well thought out and rational response to your nonsensical post and you respond with another nonsensical post.

Maybe I should have expected no less.

But, you have professed yourself to be an educated, intelligent person, however NOTHING about your response would suggest that this is so.

So, Debate / Discuss what you wish but in doing so try to post responses that are above that of a third grader.     

[alph]

I grew up as a catholic and they preached that it was the only true religion as do the others.I am not very reglious an would not push my beliefs on anybody.I do not like it when others do it to me .What dose being in Or. have to do with it? I was born in Ma. lived in CA.for thirty years and lived in Az for ten.Religion is the cause of lots of the problems in the world today.

ahmen......

although, in one point i would have to say that having an argument about politics is more productive.  the fact being that politics effects the actual "here and now" while religion effects the "life after".  the way that one person spends my money has a direct effect on my opinion, while the suposed, non proven, "life after death" argument has NEVER been shown to be true.  although MANY people have killed, murdered and started wars over the idea......  i gues then, that gives it a bit of a reality to it's effect. 

all religions hold thier beliefs in a persons death.  meaning, you will only "get your reward" after you're dead!!  now, how productive is that?  the fact is, religion was invented to CONTROL the masses.  religion is a tool of the politician.