hubcapsc
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I made the setting in my profile so that I read all the main groups at the same time, all mixed up, general, tech, Texas, classifieds... sometimes my posts are all mixed up too  some folks on the tech board don't frequent the general board, here's my latest pinion cup adventure http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,54814.0.html-Mike
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2013, 06:52:31 AM » |
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Well, what is the story, where did it come from?? how was it serviced last time?? We need INFO.
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2013, 07:08:03 AM » |
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Thanks Mike for the post. Looking forward to finding out more about this misfortune. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2013, 02:57:20 PM » |
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Lubrication of the splines by rear end oil is bs it obviously does not work. Belray grease works and that's about it if you want a moly lube you can try this stuff one member did but I don't know the results. The only thing I will say is maybe the seal goes bad and pops out of the cup and allows the rear end lube out. http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/LOCTITE-Anti-Seize-Compound-5E200 LOCTITE Anti Seize Compound, Moly Paste, 8-Oz. Brush Top Can, Size/Net Weight 8 oz, Temp Range -20 to 750 F, Flash Point 320 F, Specific Gravity 1.96, Contains 102.3g/l VOC, Film Type Paste, Reduces Friction to a Very Low Level, Lubricates Press Fits, Protects During Break-in and Under High Static Loads, K Value 0.11, Metal-Free, Black
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2013, 03:12:00 PM » |
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Pulled mine apart today and I are happy to report-splines are in excellent shape and the pinion cup is in excellent shape. The P cup and it's shaft were/are dripping wet with the 80/90 syn gear lube. The splines(moly guard dog)went 13744 between service. Yup-went a tad long on the service but the Guard Dog did it's job.  Needless to say I am a happy camper after all the horror stories here recently with failed P cups and what not. And thanks to this board and it's fine members I hope to keep my Ghurl in very good shape.  All I gotta do now is find the frikkin O-rings.  Damn things grew legs here in the last week or so.  RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2013, 03:52:45 PM » |
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Lubrication of the splines by rear end oil is bs it obviously does not work. Belray grease works and that's about it if you want a moly lube you can try this stuff one member did but I don't know the results. The only thing I will say is maybe the seal goes bad and pops out of the cup and allows the rear end lube out. http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/LOCTITE-Anti-Seize-Compound-5E200 LOCTITE Anti Seize Compound, Moly Paste, 8-Oz. Brush Top Can, Size/Net Weight 8 oz, Temp Range -20 to 750 F, Flash Point 320 F, Specific Gravity 1.96, Contains 102.3g/l VOC, Film Type Paste, Reduces Friction to a Very Low Level, Lubricates Press Fits, Protects During Break-in and Under High Static Loads, K Value 0.11, Metal-Free, Black Is that the same stuff Jabba used on his friends bike and it turned to toast ? I've been using Green Grease and Honda Moly... Just serviced my final drive and everything was still coated in a nice layer of the combo.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2013, 06:17:01 PM » |
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I recently had to rebuild my rear drive. Gears were dry as a bone and all chewed to hell. Pinion and shaft were perfect and required nothing but more grease.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013, 01:12:44 PM » |
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Hey Mike, I guess the big question is,,,, the last tire change, did you clean the drive line and pinion cup, and apply two or three grams of moly grease??
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2013, 05:02:37 PM » |
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Lubrication of the splines by rear end oil is bs it obviously does not work. Belray grease works and that's about it if you want a moly lube you can try this stuff one member did but I don't know the results. The only thing I will say is maybe the seal goes bad and pops out of the cup and allows the rear end lube out. http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/LOCTITE-Anti-Seize-Compound-5E200 LOCTITE Anti Seize Compound, Moly Paste, 8-Oz. Brush Top Can, Size/Net Weight 8 oz, Temp Range -20 to 750 F, Flash Point 320 F, Specific Gravity 1.96, Contains 102.3g/l VOC, Film Type Paste, Reduces Friction to a Very Low Level, Lubricates Press Fits, Protects During Break-in and Under High Static Loads, K Value 0.11, Metal-Free, Black Is that the same stuff Jabba used on his friends bike and it turned to toast ? I've been using Green Grease and Honda Moly... Just serviced my final drive and everything was still coated in a nice layer of the combo. That's the stuff that the manual calls for on the drive splines and driven hub. It's referred to as moly paste, even though it is partly mineral oil, because the moly solids content is very high. Honda specifies moly content greater than 40% minimum. I think the Loctite stuff is 70%. For the pinion cup and drive shaft, the manual calls for a small amount of 3% minimum moly grease, which is a petroleum grease carrier with a much lower moly solids content. You can get away with using waterproof grease both places, if you maintain the rear end faithfully and regularly at about 10,000 miles. However, the pinion joint is designed to flex, the drive splines are not, so the forces they see are different. Moly paste is the wrong material for the application of the pinion cup. Plus, the potential for high moly solids content to plug the pickup holes in the bottom of the pinion cup means you shouldn't use paste both places. For what it's worth, moly paste is effective in the drive splines even if it appears dry.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2013, 05:07:22 PM » |
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Hey Mike, I guess the big question is,,,, the last tire change, did you clean the drive line and pinion cup, and apply two or three grams of moly grease??
Yes. http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~hubcap/tire2012Jul/I'm looking around for some scales that will weigh grams. With tire changes only coming every 6-10 months, it is hard to say how similar the amount I used three tires ago was compared to how much I used last time. Weighing the grease would make it the same every time. There's three important sentences in the manual, at the bottom of 12-18, and the top of 12-19: ... and pack 0.5 g (0.02 oz) of grease onto the splines. which end of the drive shaft are they talking about?Pack 2 g (0.08 oz) of molybdenum disulfide grease into the pinion joint spline. They're talking about inside the cup here, right?Pack 1 g (0.04 oz) of molybdenum disulfide grease into the drive shaft spline. which spline are they talking about now? They've already put the drive shaft into the pinion cup.No wonder it is tempting to forget about the holes and just cram a bunch of good grease in there. I used a lot of that waterproof blue belray grease when I rode dirt bikes. -Mike
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2013, 06:11:43 PM » |
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DO NOT USE NEVER SEIZE. That is not made to lubricate moving parts. That never seize is made for press fit parts, and bolts or nuts that will seize together from time or pressure, or conditions. These parts will later have to be seperated, never seize will make it possible to seperate these parts in time. It is not to be used on moving parts as a lubrication. You want a grease high in moly content for moving parts. Ask Jabba about his findings using never seize.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2013, 08:38:53 PM » |
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Hey Mike, I personally dont think you can overdo it with the grease,
"No wonder it is tempting to forget about the holes and just cram a bunch of good grease in there."
I dont think that would hurt a thing, and you would never have a dry pinion cup,, The amounts HOnda recommends are enough to get you from one recommended maintenance period to the next. When you weigh some out, it might be more than what you think. If you plug up the vent holes with some grease, the only thing that will happen is some of the grease will migrate into the final drive,, it will not hurt a thing,, they are all lubricants. THis is not some finicky lightweight thing, it is a drive gear, if you put too much lubrication in it the only thing that will happen is it will be a greasy mess.. it will never dry out with too much lubrication. The driveline splines are to be lubed with moly grease, dont be lightweight with the lube,, load them up and you will not have problems.
look how smokinjoe does it. He mixes his to get a moly grease,, and said he sometimes over does it,, he always has grease on his when he disassembles,, thats how I did it too. If you mix just make sure you use a lithium based grease for compatibility with the moly.
I just cant figure where these ideas came from about being scared of lubing the splines and getting a little bit of grease in the holes.. that is a recipe for disaster as we have seen time after time. Let us not be afraid men,, these are machines,, we ride them for thousands of miles,, lets lube them up like the manual says to do and get away from these problems,, treat our babes like they deserve.
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