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Hello All:
I was just going over some old posts and came across "Dyna Beads". I have never heard of them. Could someone please enlighten me.
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2009, 10:23:03 AM » |
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2009, 03:42:10 AM » |
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A friend of mine put them in the tires for his Goldwing and swears by them. The need to balance a new tire is no longer needed. Just change the tire, drop in 2 ounces of these beads and you are ready to go.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2009, 07:25:28 AM » |
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 I just installed them on front and back along with some new Dunlop E3's . I pulled the wheels but let the dealer do the tire swaps. The most unnerving part is knowing and explaining that the inner tire must be kept dry from tire mounting lube. The folks working the counter were clueless: never heard of Dyna Beads. I verbally went over the details, gave them the printed directions, and had to just hope for the best. When I returned, the fellow that actually did the mounting came out and told me he was familiar with them as he had installed them while working at another shop, whew! When the tires are spun (without the disc brake pads touching the disc - too much noise) you can just barely hear the beads rolling around. Well, I mounted the wheels yesterday and took them for a spin last night: Perfect! By the way, I put 2 oz in the front and 3 oz (vrs 2 oz) in the back just for insurance.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2009, 02:16:02 PM » |
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2 oz. in the front tire and 3 oz. in the back tire is what the manufacturer specifies. Either MC tire or Darksider, 3 oz. is recommended in the rear tire. I have run them in both. With the manufacturing standards now days, there are some tires that might not need this much but that is what is recommended. I have used them for about a year now and just love them...JTL
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2009, 06:31:33 AM » |
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2 oz. in the front tire and 3 oz. in the back tire is what the manufacturer specifies. Either MC tire or Darksider, 3 oz. is recommended in the rear tire. I have run them in both. With the manufacturing standards now days, there are some tires that might not need this much but that is what is recommended. I have used them for about a year now and just love them...JTL
Ok, not to be testy,  but you made me go back to their web site. Their recommendations for a 130-240 mm rear motorcycle tire is 2 oz. This is the link to the page http://www.innovativebalancing.com/chart.htm#MotorcycleChart. Do they say something else on the phone perhaps? |
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2009, 07:26:48 AM » |
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a little too much won't really make a difference....not enough would though.
while we are on the subject....could BB's or small steel shot be used instead?
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2009, 07:39:30 AM » |
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a little too much won't really make a difference....not enough would though.
while we are on the subject....could BB's or small steel shot be used instead?
Ken
A quote from someone at Innovative Balancing: "As the Innovative site will tell you, the ceramic version is a much improved version over the glass and steel. The glass were the originals, but because of their light weight, it required a lot of glass beads by volume to get the job done. There were problems when extra weight was needed, especially in light trucks and cars, because the volume of the beads created a "collision" of sorts internally, causing them to lose efficiency. Because the high-density ceramic was not available when Counteract decided they needed a heavier bead to fix this problem, they used an ordinary steel bead. To try and prevent the inevitable rusting that steel produces in a moist-air environment, they coated the beads with a PTE Teflon. The problem with this route is that steel does not absorb liquid, so the beads quickly lose their coating rolling around the inside of the tire and now are susceptable to rust again. I have used the steel beads and can personally vouch for their rusting inside the tire and the resultant problem. I was in my cabin for about 3 days in the mountains, and never moved the vehicle. I had to go to the store finally, and when I started down the road in my 99 Dodge duallie, I thought somebody had tied bricks to the tires the vibration was so bad. The reason was simple. The moist air inside the tire attacked the steel beads, and they rusted into a large rusted mass. When I started off down the road, it took several miles before things settled down again, and the beads finally broke apart. If you want to see what the steel beads look like in this condition, go here: http://www.innovativebalancing.com/news.htm" |
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2009, 10:26:51 AM » |
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Well I be! First mistake I ever made. Didn't intend to come across as a "know-it-all" because I will be the first to admit that I do not. I guess that I have wasted a couple of ounces of beads, but the tires ran good. I've got my second darksider on now with 3 oz. of beads in it and it runs good. It seems that I must have forgotten what amount of beads that are required in a MC tire. I apologize for trying to lead you astray. I'll try to do better next time...JTL  |
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2009, 11:52:50 AM » |
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Well I be! First mistake I ever made. Didn't intend to come across as a "know-it-all" because I will be the first to admit that I do not. I guess that I have wasted a couple of ounces of beads, but the tires ran good. I've got my second darksider on now with 3 oz. of beads in it and it runs good. It seems that I must have forgotten what amount of beads that are required in a MC tire. I apologize for trying to lead you astray. I'll try to do better next time...JTL Oh come on! No problem, I was led astray years ago! I too used 3 oz in the back tire and probably will continue to do so. Cheers! Bon |
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2009, 04:58:53 PM » |
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BonS, sometimes I find that being led astray isn't all that bad, even pleasurable, huh?...JTL  |
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2009, 07:08:50 PM » |
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Tried them in my bike and liked them so I took the weights off and still liked them and the more I rode the more I liked them. Put them in my pickup in the front and was really happy with them because it got rid of a intermittent shake at 75 mph. Put them in the rear and now the truck is smooth sometimes so smooth that I didn't realize how fast I was going. So I put them in my friends bikes and hes a happy camper. I put 2 oz in the front and rear of the Valk and the same in his bike and had no problems and like I said is smooth as glass. The truck I only put in 3 oz in each tire and it still did the job. I have a high speed balancer at work and had balanced the truck tires several times before and never really able to get that stupid shake out. I even rebalanced them after the Tire Kingdom balance was ng. But the Dyna Beads really did the trick.
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2009, 07:56:19 PM » |
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Do you, or anyone, have some beads available to measure for diameter? I'm interested in buying bulk and experimenting with my cars and other bikes. |
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2009, 04:10:46 AM » |
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Do you, or anyone, have some beads available to measure for diameter? I'm interested in buying bulk and experimenting with my cars and other bikes. I have an un-opened bag at home (ready for the rear tire replacement when the time comes). I will measure the bead diameter when I get home from work. Currently have 2oz in my IS front tire and it is smooth as silk up to triple digits. |
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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2009, 05:23:58 AM » |
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I just put 1400 miles on my new front Avon Cobra with 2 oz. Smooth as silk pulling a trailer riding 2 up running 95 gps indicated. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2009, 06:04:17 AM » |
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.86 to .98 mm
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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2009, 06:30:56 AM » |
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.86 to .98 mm
Thanks Robert, I've sent Quackenbush an email for a quote for 5#. |
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2009, 01:06:13 PM » |
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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2009, 01:40:26 PM » |
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Do you, or anyone, have some beads available to measure for diameter? I'm interested in buying bulk and experimenting with my cars and other bikes. I have an un-opened bag at home (ready for the rear tire replacement when the time comes). I will measure the bead diameter when I get home from work. Currently have 2oz in my IS front tire and it is smooth as silk up to triple digits. Measurement done.... just under 1mm |
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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2009, 05:31:05 PM » |
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.86 to .98 mm
Thanks Robert, I've sent Quackenbush an email for a quote for 5#. Their reply: "The beads they are buying are our QBZ-58A, which is made of zirconium silicate. ZY beads are made of yttrium stabilized zirconia, and they cost a lot more. We can offer our 0.8-1.0 mm QBZ-58A for the price of $60.00 per quart. A quart contains a little over 5 lbs. We have the beads (QZ-58A) in stock." I put 400 miles on my new E3 Dunlops today and the tires/balance with the beads is smooth as any I've ever felt. I'm going to buy a quart after I return from InZane next week. Bon |
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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2009, 06:16:21 PM » |
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The most unnerving part is knowing and explaining that the inner tire must be kept dry from tire mounting lube. Wouldn't the lube dry out after a few days? Just wondering if waiting a few days before adding the beads would work out. Note: I've been using the beads for a few years and like them ... but always wondered about the possibility of having lube drip inside the tires. Thanks! |
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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2009, 07:09:40 PM » |
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The most unnerving part is knowing and explaining that the inner tire must be kept dry from tire mounting lube. Wouldn't the lube dry out after a few days? Just wondering if waiting a few days before adding the beads would work out. Note: I've been using the beads for a few years and like them ... but always wondered about the possibility of having lube drip inside the tires. Thanks! I'm sure it would but might it leave a sticky or tacky residue that would hold the little beads hostage? Innovative Balancing warns that some tires have a sticky substance on the inside of new tires that must be removed before mounting but they never out-and-out say that tire mounting lube will become sticky or tacky. They just say don't let it in the tire. |
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2009, 02:48:50 PM » |
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The most unnerving part is knowing and explaining that the inner tire must be kept dry from tire mounting lube. Wouldn't the lube dry out after a few days? Just wondering if waiting a few days before adding the beads would work out. Note: I've been using the beads for a few years and like them ... but always wondered about the possibility of having lube drip inside the tires. Thanks! I'm sure it would but might it leave a sticky or tacky residue that would hold the little beads hostage? Innovative Balancing warns that some tires have a sticky substance on the inside of new tires that must be removed before mounting but they never out-and-out say that tire mounting lube will become sticky or tacky. They just say don't let it in the tire. I'll put some on an old tire in the gara ge, and see how long it takes to dry.  |
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2009, 01:45:04 PM » |
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The most unnerving part is knowing and explaining that the inner tire must be kept dry from tire mounting lube. Wouldn't the lube dry out after a few days? Just wondering if waiting a few days before adding the beads would work out. Note: I've been using the beads for a few years and like them ... but always wondered about the possibility of having lube drip inside the tires. Thanks! I'm sure it would but might it leave a sticky or tacky residue that would hold the little beads hostage? Innovative Balancing warns that some tires have a sticky substance on the inside of new tires that must be removed before mounting but they never out-and-out say that tire mounting lube will become sticky or tacky. They just say don't let it in the tire. I'll put some on an old tire in the garage, and see how long it takes to dry. 3 or 4 days later, the lube on the old tire is practically dry. It certainly isn't sticky anymore. As of now, I will get into the habit of waiting 4 or more days before installing Dyna Beads in new tires. |
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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2009, 04:45:38 AM » |
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3 or 4 days later, the lube on the old tire is practically dry. It certainly isn't sticky anymore. As of now, I will get into the habit of waiting 4 or more days before installing Dyna Beads in new tires. Thanks for the good info! |
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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2009, 06:21:21 AM » |
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3 or 4 days later, the lube on the old tire is practically dry. It certainly isn't sticky anymore. As of now, I will get into the habit of waiting 4 or more days before installing Dyna Beads in new tires. It's good to know that the glue isn't sticky when dry. However, because moisture is always present in our tires (brought in with the compressed air) and the moisture condenses as the tire cools. The condensed moisture might make the dried tire mounting lube become sticky as it is wetted again? Some moisture vapor may escape over time but new moisture vapor or liquid is introduced whenever adding air to the tire. I don't know whether this is really an issue so I'm just hypothesizing. |
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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2009, 09:26:14 AM » |
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That is one of the reasons why nitrogen is used by some tire dealers.
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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2009, 11:27:08 AM » |
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What the heck are "filtered valve stems"?
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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2009, 01:06:15 PM » |
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What the heck are "filtered valve stems"?
The little ceramic balls won't blow out if you let air out through the stem. They are actually filtered valve Schrader cores. |
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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2009, 02:45:04 PM » |
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I did not put the filtered valve stems in, and if I remember right, I don't think they are required. I did however find a little piece of crap stuck in the seat of the valve core when I adjusted the pressure. I heard it leaking after putting air in two weeks and 2,500 miles later. It was not a bead, and may have come from my compressor. Pulled the little piece of crap out and it has been fine since.
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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2009, 05:52:10 PM » |
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.86 to .98 mm
Thanks Robert, I've sent Quackenbush an email for a quote for 5#. Their reply: "The beads they are buying are our QBZ-58A, which is made of zirconium silicate. ZY beads are made of yttrium stabilized zirconia, and they cost a lot more. We can offer our 0.8-1.0 mm QBZ-58A for the price of $60.00 per quart. A quart contains a little over 5 lbs. We have the beads (QZ-58A) in stock." I put 400 miles on my new E3 Dunlops today and the tires/balance with the beads is smooth as any I've ever felt. I'm going to buy a quart after I return from InZane next week. Bon Hi Bon, Are these the same as Dyna beads? Thanks! |
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2009, 08:26:36 PM » |
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Hi Bon,
Are these the same as Dyna beads?
Thanks!
I don't know for sure, as I only "know" that the email from Quackenbush says "the beads they are buying . . ." and this could be Dyna Beads or this could be what "others" are buying. I'll call them tomorrow and see if I can glean some additional information. I'll follow up. |
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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2009, 01:35:04 PM » |
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Well, I ordered a 5# quart of zirconium silicate beads today. I'm convinced that these are exactly the same material as Dyna Beads. If you want to know more feel free to pm me. It's hard to argue with the cost per tire when buying in bulk.
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« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2009, 04:35:48 PM » |
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Well, I ordered a 5# quart of zirconium silicate beads today. I'm convinced that these are exactly the same material as Dyna Beads. If you want to know more feel free to pm me. It's hard to argue with the cost per tire when buying in bulk.
That's great! Please let us know what you think after seeing them, and also when trying them out. I'm presently stocked in Dyna beads but will not hesitate to order these if they are very similar. Thanks! |
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« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2009, 05:55:58 PM » |
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I talked to Tom Weiss at Quackenbush Co. (815-479-8900) They are (were) the supplier of the Zirconium Silicate beads that Dyna Beads uses for their product. They have since gone factory direct. We can order the beads from them. They come in a 5+ pound, quart size container for $60.00 + shipping. At 2 oz per tire that's enough to do 40 tires. order product QBZ-58A in sizes 0.8 - 1.0 ask for Tom Weiss. mine are on the way T.P. |
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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2009, 03:02:00 PM » |
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Got my beads in today. They look the same as what I used in recently from Innovative Balancing . I've started to split 'em up in 2 ounce zip lock bags; kinda feels like I'm doing some illegal. Since I had to order way more than I'll be needing in my lifetime I'll be glad to share some at a break-even cost - can't beat that. (I hope that I'm not breaking any rules 'bout selling on the board. If I am just let me know and I'll edit this post.  ) In any case it looks like I've bought my last lead weight.  |
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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2009, 07:47:02 PM » |
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Got mine today also, same package. I have mine all weighed up in 2 oz. and 1 oz. ziplocks. just in case a darksider needs a 3 oz bag. T.P. |
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« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2009, 09:14:56 PM » |
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I would be interested in buy enough for my new Metzlers. Let me know where to send the money or do you take PayPal?
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