Should we eliminate brussel sprouts as food source?

[f6john]

Suits me just fine

[Jeff K]

No.
What would the world be like if everyone agreed?
Boring as hell if you ask me.

And... if it was eliminated... I think religion should go next.   

[bsnicely]

I have always understood the General Board to be just that, a board where any topic was allowed so long as language and general manners were preserved. I do not take part in the political or religious arguments as a general rule but I will admit that on the rare occasion I just can't help myself and I will get in and out quickly. If the rules of the road are followed I do not see why any topic should be banned ( within reason of course ). Remember that this is a big family and not perfect by any means, so be kind, do not attack anyone in a personal way. This is a very diverse group of folks we have here, all connected by an admiration of the best motorcycle ever built and not much more than that. You may want to ride with the person you are being rude to some day, so behave accordingly. I for one, think that admin does a good job of policing the General Board and removing posts which are over the line and when continued warnings are ignored the offenders are removed. Bear in mind that they are not paid to do this work and do so because they care about all our members and the continuance of the VRCC.  

[Serk]

Political (And religious) posts, imho, should NOT be eliminated...

What should be eliminated are personal attacks. Period...

Attack the subject, not the other person.

[DeathWishBikerDude]

Freedom of speech should be protected everywhere.
 

[JimL]

The truth is that this board is simply a microcosm of the world we live in, and as such it reflects the extreme divisiveness that our national "leaders" (this is an extremely generous use of the word "leaders") have worked so hard to architect.  They have done such a good job of modeling their political platforms to appeal to the secular interests of individual groups, that the country is practically equally divided at the current time.  Probably the only other time in our national history that ideologies have been so equally divided was just before the Civil War.  The Greek author Aesop realized centuries ago that such division would would ultimately wreck a nation, hence he immortalized this thought which was translated into English as "United we stand, divided we fall".  This nation proved Aesop right in the mid-1800's, I suspect our national ignorance will ultimately prove him right again.  The net of the preceding paragraph is that we are a nation that is mired in an ideological war, and this is reflected not only on this board, but every other medium of communication that we encounter today.

Since I am simply a grateful user of this board, I am happy to abide by the rules of the board administrator(s).  It is hard to legislate human thought (and I am not sure that anyone here would want to do that anyway), however I do understand the need to keep things from getting out of hand.  Hopefully we can all concentrate on what has brought us together in the first place....a love of the finest motorcycle ever built.

Jim

[Chrisj CMA]

Political (And religious) posts, imho, should NOT be eliminated...

What should be eliminated are personal attacks. Period...

Attack the subject, not the other person.

AMEN

[Black Dog]

Politics, religion, and sex...  Three things that are sure to stir up differences of opinion.

We should NOT ban posts/discussions on these or any subjects.  As others have pointed out, this board is a small cross section of our society, with a few from over seas, adding their thoughts and observations.  Sure some are more passionate about certain subjects than others, and everyone has a right to their opinion.  Yep, some step over the line, with name calling and pseudo threats, but in most of those cases, the name caller is more likely to be showing their true colors, and reinforcing the already formed opinions of many on the board. 

Ya see a post that has a subject matter that is sure to rile ya up, skip it, turn the channel, turn the page, go for a ride...  There is no one holding a gun (oops, my bad, another touchy subject) to your head, and making you read it.  Same goes for a post by someone ya just know yer gonna butt heads with...  Skip it, move on, or jump in head first, and put yer iron shorts on 

I have many friends here in the VRCC.  My political views are known to a few that I have felt comfortable enough with to share them.  Many of my closest friends here, differ in their political views, from each other and myself...  We agree to disagree, then we go for a ride.

I rarely jump in to any of the really hot threads, but rest assured, I read each and every one of them.  In the words of one of our VRCC brothers, who by the way has  different political views than I (we've had many heated discussions), "I've never learned anything by arguing with someone that agrees with me".  This was said, after I asked him if any of our discussions made him uncomfortable, or made him think less of me...  A wise man indeed 

Keep the posts.  Keep the discussions.  Keep an open mind 

Black Dog

[f6gal]

...admin should step in immediately and  call a "spade a spade". And since we're all adults only one warning should be sufficient.

A word about "admin."  
Admin folks are all members, just like you, that have full time jobs and lives.  We don't always see things "immediately," nor should it be necessary.  We're all adults here and should know when the line has been (or is about to be) crossed.  On the old message board, you were stuck with the words in your posts... on this format, you can edit or even delete your own posts.

For further explanation on this subject, please go to http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbsrulesoftheroad.htm

[Scott in Ok]

Freedom of speech should be protected everywhere.
 

Just so you know, this isn't a democracy, or a replublic....its a dictatorship. So the freedom to call someone an [insert insult here], is certainly not protected and never will be.  You can have all the opinions you want around here, but the line is drawn when people start attacking each other.  It is how it is, and anyone that doesn't like it, we'll be happy to refund your membership dues. Oh, wait...this is a free club, message board, chatroom, with an endless supply of technical information and shared resources.  Sorry for that little rant but it annoys me when someone spouts off with "Freedom of speech should be protected around here".  You can attack people all you want in your own house, but not in ours.    

With respect to Political or any other subject, you folks can discuss just about anything you want as long as you can discuss the subject at hand, and not attack each other.  (According to the Rules of the road of course)

I've been around here almost as long as the oZman, and I've seen alot of folks come and go.  Some, like me, are still here.  A few of those folks used to discuss politics and religion in a very aggressive manner.  Some to the point of alienating themselves and others.  However, a few of those made a conscious decision to stay out of the fray and have learned what an awesome family the VRCC has always been.

When a handful of you finally realize that when someone posts a differing opinion from your own, that they are not attacking YOU personally.  They simply have a different opinion, and it doesn't require you to attack them in return. 

-Scott

[JimC]

Leave em be, until the personal attacks get thrown about.

BLACK DOG,
 
Politics, religioin, and sex?
You forgot one of the most controversial subjects that actually is relevant to the board!

THE BLACK VALK IS ACTUALLY THE SLOWEST!

Jim

[Jeff K]

Leave em be, until the personal attacks get thrown about.

BLACK DOG,
 
Politics, religioin, and sex?
You forgot one of the most controversial subjects that actually is relevant to the board!

THE BLACK VALK IS ACTUALLY THE SLOWEST!

Jim

Oconomowoc?
I have kin folk living there!
Well some in Oconomowoc, and some in Okauchee.
 

[Black Dog]

THE BLACK VALK IS ACTUALLY THE SLOWEST!  That sounds like a personal attack, on ME   Scott?  Willow?  Where are they when ya need em?

Jim, Jim, Jim...  And I thought you were a pretty stand up guy... 

Hope yer gettin' some miles with this beautiful day we're havin.  I'm stuck at work.

BTW, there are far too many two tones in this neck of our woods...  I'm being ganged up on!

Black Dog

[Cruzen]

THE BLACK VALK IS ACTUALLY THE SLOWEST!

Jim

OUCH!!!
That hurt but it didn't draw blood.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Should we eliminate political posts?

We can only dream 

[Steve K (IA)]

Should we eliminate political posts?

We can only dream 

I vote Yes.  

[junior]

Not many Valks close by to regularly check the slowness of Black Valks, but most of my encounters with other Valkyries have been determined by whose throttle was twisted the hardest and longest. But black and silver just looks better, don't ya think?

 i am fond of red and black valks, but i dont want you to think that this is a personal attack on your oppinion or person

[Momz]

The VRCC is a motorcycle club,.....period!
It is great that we can feel patriotic and religious,....or not!

I would rather see us dicussing rides, tours, events, and club and family happenings here.

We have a new President and that is not going to change. Bitchin on this board does no good, if you don't agree, or do agree with the current political climate, then get up of your dead butts and get involved in the political party of your choice, write your congressmen and representatives. Run for political office (I did and won).

Complaining on this board is "simply whining" or "crying in your beer". It serves no purpose other than angering those that disagree with your point of view. That is not, nor never was the purpose of the VRCC.

SO,...STOP YER BITCHIN!

[junior]

well not having seen you i couldnt be the judge if you would look good to ok on a purple and white valk.
but i bet some would like to see it

[junior]

so true

[Chrisj CMA]

I have a pink Valkyrie
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Well, thats what the red and white blurrs to while zipping by................they are the fastest, maybe thats why that one on Evil Bay was going for so much

[Willow]

THE BLACK VALK IS ACTUALLY THE SLOWEST!  That sounds like a personal attack, on ME   Scott?  Willow?  Where are they when ya need em?

Naw, Steve, some folks just insist on exaggerating and spreading false information.  I would say fourth from the bottom would be more accurate with the exceptional five ebonies near the top of the list.    

[Chrisj CMA]

Can you catch a picture of the pink blur on film? I've never seen one turn pink before, not even one going in the opposite direction!

here ya go

[Serk]

Can you catch a picture of the pink blur on film? I've never seen one turn pink before, not even one going in the opposite direction!

here ya go

Freaking pinko liberal commie! 

(Before anyone takes that as an attack, it was a joke, playing on the fact that a rather conservative poster posted a picture of his "pink" bike, thus the tie in... Thank you...)

[Misfit]

I think that we should all police our own posts. That would free up the staff to be regular members and NOT baby sitters. I am sure that they would like to partake in alot more threads on this board without having to police it or be accused of taking sides in a discussion. Somtimes I think we may take all of the fun out of it for them.

[Phil Owen]

Been here since I got my first Valk in 2000. It's that real fast black and red I/S.  Anyway, why not just exercise the right to either read and respond to a post or click next.  As soon as you ban one subject then what's next?  As it was pointed out previously, if we all always agreed on everything then life would boring and we'd all be riding black and red valks.    I do agree that there are times when things can and do get a little to heated and that is when the mods need to step in.  I don't know if this software has the ability or not but on the M14 Gun forum I visit, if a post starts to get out of bounds then the mods just lock the post and if the offenders start to repeat and prove they cannot be decent then their butts are out.  Any this is my 50 cents worth.

[f6gal]

...on the M14 Gun forum...

You'd think they'd be a little more polite on an M14 site.   

[Robert]

I really like the political posts, sometimes I must admit I look at what someone says and go Then I think what a @@@@ and what can I do to stir the pot   Then I sit back and think about how they got that view ??? I then either consider changing my view or state the reasons I have the opinion I do of course with examples to back it up I also think that some of the posts are for educational purposes which I must admit I have learned a few things from There are of course those that post that are so far out in my opinion that I really just read get unnerved and go on without a response kind of like a kid you dont want to show they got to you. So I say lets keep them because whenever the tech board gets to calm I alway need something to get me going Thanks Storm

[stormrider]

Dang Robert, I believe that is the most of those, (somebody help me, what do you call the smiley faces that ahcnge faces?) thingie magigies spread throughout one post. It does clarify your feelings as you type. I like.
Not that you need my approval. And I agree.

[Madmike]

Being on the outside of most of the political discussions that happen on this board I have to say that I sometimes just have to shake my head   :roll:in wonder and then bite my tongue and kinda say to myself.... it's American politics and I don't have a say in it.... it's American politics and I don't have a say in it......

As a right winger in a soft left wing culture I emphatically believe   :-\that people should speak their opinions but must at the same time respect the opinions of others and that difference of opinion is no reason to slur a persons character or intelligence - frequently the best solution lies somewhere in the middle of the two extremes.  

We all have the freedom of not reading things we find either insulting, inflammatory or provocative.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

When a handful of you finally realize that when someone posts a differing opinion from your own, that they are not attacking YOU personally.  They simply have a different opinion, and it doesn't require you to attack them in return. 

Well said Scott

[John Schmidt]

THE BLACK VALK IS ACTUALLY THE SLOWEST!

Jim

OK, now you've done it. A personal attack on all of us with the Fast Black machines. Only one way to settle this affront....full throttles at sunrise. Preferably in a location with beautiful scenery. 

[junior]

THE BLACK VALK IS ACTUALLY THE SLOWEST!

Jim

OK, now you've done it. A personal attack on all of us with the Fast Black machines. Only one way to settle this affront....full throttles at sunrise. Preferably in a location with beautiful scenery. 

we just let you think the black ones are fast so you wont feel left out, and i was a at a beautiful spot this am, where were you? ...................lol

[6shutr]

Scott,

You are a great, and I do mean GREAT Master of Ceremonies, but a diplomat, or a dictator you are not, even if you think you are. I understand your point, and I agree whole heartedly with you, but the heavy hand is unnecessary. I don't appreciate it and doubt many do. Please consider letting Willow make these kinds of posts for you in the future, or at least give him a chance to edit them before you post.

6shutr

[stude31]

Regulate posts?  Seriously??


I respectfully disagree with the idea of doing away with political posts.  If anything it puts you on your toes to find the "truth" if you think a post is false.  If we strictly talked about bikes and no politics that's like talking to your kid about family time and what goes on around the house and shelters them from the outside world.  How effective is that, I have learned a lot from the political posts, it has made me search and read many different sites to get my educated understanding of the topic.  I rarely post on politics but I do at times.  I don't like the name calling and when a fellow member belittles another member I chalk that up in my mind to avoid any posts in that topic.  It's what was once called "walking away".   

So with that said, if you are for or against the president, congress, or local government... Fine, but I want to read your evidence as to why and back it up and not use percentages... I hate percentages... I can pull those out of the air all day long...  anyhow...

For those that want to know I am for less government and more power to the people.  You really think that the government can spend your money better than you?  They didn't work for your money, you did and what happens when they don't have enough money for what they want to spend??? They cut funds and add taxes... Yeah that sounds like a winner to me     I sure wish that if I over spent I could walk into my boss's office and ask for a raise.  Um, sir I don't have enough money to pay for all these loans on vehicles and house I need more money!  My boss would tell me, "you want a raise?  Stand on that box, there's your raise! Now get out of here!!"   

Oh okay.. I'm done  have a great day...

[stormrider]

A friend had an emplyee that did exactly that. Young man, went out got that newer truck, got a boat, was married, new mobile home, etc. Comes to my friend one Friday and says, I can't make it on what you pay me, I need a raise. And hadn't been there more than a year.

Text edited.  I didn't completely understand the comment, but if it meant what it sounded like it meant, it was way over the line.  -  Willow

1900, about 3% was spent on all taxes accross the board, and what about today, for some it is as much as 40-50 %. How bout you, how much total tax burden do you have; income, national and state, sales tax, property tax, cell phone tax, etc etc etc?

[Scott in Ok]

Scott,

You are a great, and I do mean GREAT Master of Ceremonies, but a diplomat, or a dictator you are not, even if you think you are. I understand your point, and I agree whole heartedly with you, but the heavy hand is unnecessary. I don't appreciate it and doubt many do. Please consider letting Willow make these kinds of posts for you in the future, or at least give him a chance to edit them before you post.

6shutr

6shutr, I guess I'm a bit jaded.  I have a rich 10 year history of the same political rantings and fighting to draw on here at the VRCC. There is a good majority of our staff who are so jaded from this that they would rather not even read the board anymore.  Willow is chief among them.  You see, we don't get to read the board to enjoy it, we HAVE to read it to keep the peace because so many people like to see what they can get away with.  They consider this message board, which we consider an extension of our homes, their own little personal playground.

My post was meant for a very specific audience, and more than likely you weren't meant to read it.  However, the format of this open forum is such that everyone gets to read my rant regardless if they needed to hear it or not.   I'm sorry if it offended you or anyone else.  I didn't intend to do that. Incidentally, you are right about one thing, I am not as good with words as brother Willow.  I have a great respect for him for many reasons.

I simply want whats best for the VRCC community at large, and the continual political rantings for the sole purpose of stirring up the opposite side is not good for our community.

So for the subject at hand, should we ban politics?  No, we will not ban politics or any other topic.  But I do have this suggestion for those that choose to discuss politics.  If you can't discuss the specific subject at hand with respect, and keep to the issues, then maybe you should consider staying out of it?

-Scott

[Chrisj CMA]

For those that want to know I am for less government and more power to the people.  You really think that the government can spend your money better than you?  They didn't work for your money, you did and what happens when they don't have enough money for what they want to spend??? They cut funds and add taxes... Yeah that sounds like a winner to me     I sure wish that if I over spent I could walk into my boss's office and ask for a raise.  Um, sir I don't have enough money to pay for all these loans on vehicles and house I need more money!  My boss would tell me, "you want a raise?  Stand on that box, there's your raise! Now get out of here!!"   

Oh okay.. I'm done  have a great day...

Ya Stude 31........I believe one reason "president" Obama got elected (besides all the voter fraud) was that so many people are looking forward to getting the free money, easy mortgages, etc. 

I think McCain misjudged the "new" Majority.  See, he tried to use the "re-distribution of wealth" that Obama came up with against him, but little did McCain know so many liked the idea. 

Its sad that so many think its just great and totally OK to rely on social programs from the government ones entire life.......sad sad sad

[stormrider]

In a earlier post on this thread I made a general referance to our Federal Government as Sambo. Some may have been offended by taking this out of context. I had an Uncle named Sam Banks and have a nephew named after him, Sam Norman. So I regularly, in conversation with family and friends, refer to the government as Sambo, so as to not confuse with my relatives. The refefernce is in "Uncle Sam Wants You". The context of the post was in relation to making political posts and government control. If you were offended by the use of this term, none was intended. 

Now let's get out and twist a grip.

[Daniel Meyer]

This.