The fight for freedom in VA

[Jess from VA]

Virginia House Bill no. 567, prefiled on 6 January, 2020, and offered on 8 January, 2020, seems aimed particularly at the NRA Headquarters range at 11250 Waples Mill Rd. in Fairfax, Virginia. HB 567 contains a number of provisions that single out the NRA HQ range from nearly all others.

Of course the NRA range in Fairfax VA is probably one of the single nicest and safest ranges in the entire county, and regularly used to train law enforcement, as well as for NRA members. Colocated with the finest firearms museum in the world.  You can't even use the range without first taking and passing a safety class with professional instructors.  But they want it shut down.  Of course, NRA had their HQ and range in DC since 1933, but that became untenable so they moved to a new modern building in VA in 1998 to escape DC zealots..... for this to now happen in VA.

https://www.ammoland.com/2020/01/virginia-bill-aims-to-shut-down-nra-headquarters-range/

Days before law-abiding citizens are set to go to Richmond to urge lawmakers to defend their rights, the new anti-gun majority of the Virginia General Assembly has passed an immediate gun ban for the Pocahontas Building and the Capitol through the duration of the 2020 General Assembly Legislative Session.  Citizens will not be permitted to carry firearms into these locations, even if they have a Concealed Handgun Permit.  

I was not aware that my (all) VA permits allowed carry in these government buildings (which I think is pretty rare even in most gun friendly states), but in anticipation of maybe 100,000 people who are planning to come armed to the VA Lobby day in Richmond (20 Jan) to exercise our 1st amend rights to protest planned 2d amendment violating laws (to only affect the law abiding), the freedom hating scum in Richmond was probably feeling nervous.  (good)

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20200110/virginia-general-assembly-passes-capitol-gun-ban

This is because 1) way too many people stayed home and didn't bother to vote last November, and 2) untold millions of Mikey Bloomberg's money spent on Democrat campaigns throughout the state running up to those election.  Money with conditions.  You know Mikey Bloomberg, the private citizen with the finest private armed personal security in the country short of the US President with Secret Service.  And all around Enemy of the People.

It was hardly a landslide, the Dem's secured a 21-19 majority in the Senate, and a 55-45 majority in the House of Delegates in Nov.  But Northam the Liar is claiming a big plebiscite for gun control.

So don't let it happen in your states.  

[MarkT]

I have been watching the legislation going on there since Northam was throned.  I'm very concerned as it looks to be the bellweather of precedent setting liberal crap.  Not to mention my lefty brother lives there - he's no doubt applauding this BS.  If they get away with this without a shooting war other states will follow including mine - already a morass of illegal tyranny. When will the constituents WAKE UP?

[Oss]

This is a helpful site

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/38

[Bighead]

Jess I hope not 100k show up but a million plus. But wait they (conservatives) who actually give a damn will be working.

[Jess from VA]

I hope it's a million too. 

It's MLK Day which is one of those federal holidays some get off and others don't.

   

[Gavin_Sons]

Democrats here are trying to limit our magazines to 10 rounds. I just ordered 30 more 30 round mags for the black scary guns and several more for my carry pistols. Come and try to take them.

[scooperhsd]

This is a helpful site

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/38

Unfortunately, It  appears to be stuck in committee in the House.

[Serk]

Jess I hope not 100k show up but a million plus. But wait they (conservatives) who actually give a damn will be working.

There is chatter that antifa and other Democrat aligned groups are gonna pull a false flag attack during the rally, trying to make it look like the pro-freedom folks got violent ahead of schedule.

Be very wary if you go. Evil is working overtime.

[old2soon]

         Far too many folks pro git rid of the 2nd amendment. Jess-watch yer back while there. I Thank GOD I live-proudly I might add-in Red Neck Country. Maybe just MAYBE Now would be a cursed good time for POTUS to declare all 50 states only need the 2nd amendment. As most of us Are aware you give these little rat bastid political type a millimeter they Will end up taking a couple miles. Wanna see our future visavis guns? Ask somebody from Australia Canada or Great Britian. Old but TRUE-when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns!  RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

Jess I hope not 100k show up but a million plus. But wait they (conservatives) who actually give a damn will be working.

There is chatter that antifa and other Democrat aligned groups are gonna pull a false flag attack during the rally, trying to make it look like the pro-freedom folks got violent ahead of schedule.

Be very wary if you go. Evil is working overtime.

Brian, I am well aware of exactly that.  I'm closely following more local blogs on almost daily updates.

Of course, we are to be the well regulated (peaceful) militia, we are to stay together always having numbers advantage, and handle anything possible by pushing them out and away from our people (and handle any of our own who overreact).  But it may definitely not pay to be wondering around the periphery or side streets. 

BTW, the more specific chatter is that Bloomberg funding will back an attempt(s) to create physical conflict or violence to sully the cause. 

We will have many buses from all over the state arriving.  Watching the bus station for any arriving miscreants is warranted. 

There may be tens of thousands of firearms present, and none must be used.  (maybe a club, but that's it).

God be with us. 

[98valk]

bloomberg, soros all backed by UN Globalist.
UN 2030 Agenda
Goal 11) Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable

Translation: Ban all gun ownership by private citizens, concentrating guns into the hands of obedient government enforcers who rule over an unarmed, enslaved class of impoverished workers. Criminalize living in most rural areas by instituting Hunger Games-style "protected areas" which the government will claim are owned by "the People" even though no people are allowed to live there. Force all humans into densely packed, tightly controlled cities where they are under 24/7 surveillance and subject to easy manipulation by government.
https://www.naturalnews.com/051058_2030_Agenda_United_Nations_global_enslavement.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/26/trump-nra-united-nations-arms-treaty-gun-control
Donald Trump has announced that the US will withdraw its support for a United Nations treaty regulating the multibillion-dollar global arms trade.
The US signed the treaty in 2013 but never ratified it.
Who was that? Obama. if had senate majority it would had been ratified like democrats are doing in virginnia.

democrats and their supporters are traitors to the US Constitution. sadly the supporter are clueless to this.

UN Small Arms Programme of Action (UNPoA)

By consensus between states in 2001, the UN small arms Programme of Action (UNPoA), placed a politically, but not a legally binding commitment on national governments to implement the measures agreed upon, and to provide the UN with periodic national reports on their progress. These commitments have been summarised as: 'regulating small arms transfers and brokering activities; criminalising the illegal manufacture, possession, stockpiling and trade of small arms and light weapons; ensuring that weapons be marked and registered; enforcing arms embargoes; destroying surplus and confiscated weapons; raising public awareness; and implementing disarmament, demobilisation and reintegration programmes.'8
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-nations

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Jess I hope not 100k show up but a million plus. But wait they (conservatives) who actually give a damn will be working.

There is chatter that antifa and other Democrat aligned groups are gonna pull a false flag attack during the rally, trying to make it look like the pro-freedom folks got violent ahead of schedule.

Be very wary if you go. Evil is working overtime.

Brian, I am well aware of exactly that.  I'm closely following more local blogs on almost daily updates.

Of course, we are to be the well regulated (peaceful) militia, we are to stay together always having numbers advantage, and handle anything possible by pushing them out and away from our people (and handle any of our own who overreact).  But it may definitely not pay to be wondering around the periphery or side streets. 

BTW, the more specific chatter is that Bloomberg funding will back an attempt(s) to create physical conflict or violence to sully the cause. 

We will have many buses from all over the state arriving.  Watching the bus station for any arriving miscreants is warranted. 

There may be tens of thousands of firearms present, and none must be used.  (maybe a club, but that's it).

God be with us. 

Got a brain bucket helmet to wear?

[Jess from VA]

Got a brain bucket helmet to wear?

Yes, but it's a WWII era helmet and would be more comical than I could live with.    (great club though)

Our people will be armed, but we should not dress for close combat, or like we came looking for a brawl, or  look like Antifa (who should stand out as bad guys for the cameras, and us).   Numbers and common purpose should see us through.

I've decided on my woodland BDU cap with subdued captains bars (from service) (and to avoid being struck about the head or shoulders).         One of my NRA caps is a close second.   

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I can not imagine waking up to find the state that I love, that I raised my family in had been taken over by tyrants. Below is my take on it.

I sometimes find other people’s logic difficult to understand. A case in point is when freedom loving Americans vote for those who intend to take away their freedom. I’ve frequently heard people justify voting for anti-gunners by saying “they will never take away our guns” and yet when you continue to put people in power who will pass laws to do just that, it will happen. When you vote for people who install anti-freedom/anti-Constitution Federal and State judges, it will happen.

If your firearms rights are taken away, sure you may be able to secretly retain your firearms, but if you can’t shoot them, if you can’t teach your kids to shoot, if you can’t freely pass your firearms to your descendants then you have lost. And you have doomed your children and grandchildren to a life of submission and conflict.

Also, I’ve frequently heard people justify voting for these “wanna be tyrants” by saying “they can’t stop the meth trade, they can’t stop human trafficking, they can’t stop the illegals so they won’t be able to stop law abiding Americans from owning firearms”. This is horribly flawed logic also. The difference is, they don't care about illegals or narcotics because the drug addicted and illegals are their easily manipulated supporters.

However, it’s obvious from what’s going on in Virginia the Dems fully intend to confiscate their citizen’s firearms even if they have to incarcerate or kill entire families to do so. They will do this after shutting off their power, cell phones and internet so they can't call for help. There is little difference between the Virginia Democrats and the Iranian government in this regard. Both intend to use the same tactics against their own people. And for the same reasons too, sadly.

And, yet, Virginia citizens voted their oppressors into office. Why, because unions, media and other Democrats told them, “don’t worry, it can never happen here”. And now they are faced with what happens when it does happen here.

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I can not imagine waking up to find the state that I love, that I raised my family in had been taken over by tyrants. Below is my take on it.

I sometimes find other people’s logic difficult to understand. A case in point is when freedom loving Americans vote for those who intend to take away their freedom. I’ve frequently heard people justify voting for anti-gunners by saying “they will never take away our guns” and yet when you continue to put people in power who will pass laws to do just that, it will happen. When you vote for people who install anti-freedom/anti-Constitution Federal and State judges, it will happen.

If your firearms rights are taken away, sure you may be able to secretly retain your firearms, but if you can’t shoot them, if you can’t teach your kids to shoot, if you can’t freely pass your firearms to your descendants then you have lost. And you have doomed your children and grandchildren to a life of submission and conflict.

Also, I’ve frequently heard people justify voting for these “wanna be tyrants” by saying “they can’t stop the meth trade, they can’t stop human trafficking, they can’t stop the illegals so they won’t be able to stop law abiding Americans from owning firearms”. This is horribly flawed logic also. The difference is, they don't care about illegals or narcotics because the drug addicted and illegals are their easily manipulated supporters.

However, it’s obvious from what’s going on in Virginia the Dems fully intend to confiscate their citizen’s firearms even if they have to incarcerate or kill entire families to do so. They will do this after shutting off their power, cell phones and internet so they can't call for help. There is little difference between the Virginia Democrats and the Iranian government in this regard. Both intend to use the same tactics against their own people. And for the same reasons too, sadly.

And, yet, Virginia citizens voted their oppressors into office. Why, because unions, media and other Democrats told them, “don’t worry, it can never happen here”. And now they are faced with what happens when it does happen here.

Drip, drip, drip.

Fools wonder how they get flooded.

[98valk]

 “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

― Abraham Lincoln

[scooperhsd]

just insert democrat politicians in the near future?

https://gellerreport.com/2020/01/horror-iranian-security-forces-open-fire-at-protesters-in-tehran.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

I don't see something like that ending well for the democrats...

[Pappy!]

I sincerely hope all Hell does not break loose but it sure looks close to happening if this goes through.
The whole country will be watching and you can bet the news outlets will all be drooling at the steps.

[old2soon]

          And IF SHOULD it work in Virginia I see other d states rushing in to do the same cursed thing. For tyranny to flourish good Men and good Women need do NOTHING!. Just vote in the ones promisin pie in the sky and rose colored glasses and legalized drugs. Anyone else here drawing that same conclusion cuz i really ain't that smart on my own.  Turn on tune in drop out-very 60ish but Still true. RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

Having yanked the rug out of Capital carry, he now does so for Grounds carry.

So he creates a widely publicized gun-free zone so all attendees are all at risk from criminals and lunatics (which may include some counter-protesters).  Criminalizing lawful behavior, again.    

Northam the Liar, is now Northam the Coward. (not like he is going to show his face in public)

https://www.theeagle.com/news/national/ap-exclusive-northam-to-ban-guns-from-capitol-grounds/article_aa82592a-b478-5cac-904d-7c9964a35bf5.html

Notice how he deflects the risk to imaginary out-of-state militia groups. (though we expect out of state patriots) (and read a history book moron, we are all the militia)

Of course that makes all Virginians love him.  

Or at least the blue idiots.

He only carried 14 counties (of 95).


Richmond, 1865



 

[98valk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HejA3-IQHUY

LEAKED FOOTAGE OF VA. DEMS DISCUSS TAKING AWAY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS!

[Alpha Dog]

What is going on in Virginia has always been the goal for the whole U.S.  It has however been the long game as in the past there were plenty of 2nd amendment Democrats  that held the line.  I am convinced there still are, however they are not the ones being elected anymore, as this party has been so radicalized by progressives that would just love to get rid of the second amendment. Guns are always the first to go when a tyrannical, dictatorial power, socialist/communist government takes hold.  If the 2nd amendment can not be accomplished they have other methods which most of us are well aware of.  This is not your daddy's and certainly my father's democrat party anymore.

Last night I caught a small segment of some of Sanders hi staff talking about once he is elected, they will have to send folks like us to be reeducated.  Where have we seen this before.  Soviet Union and China come to mind.   I forget the show, may have been Tucker Carlson that I flipped over to during a commercial while watching The Curse of Oak Island  ( where the swamp has now been dated to being developed at about 1220 ad ).

God help us if they get all the power they crave.

[98valk]

What is going on in Virginia has always been the goal for the whole U.S.  It has however been the long game as in the past there were plenty of 2nd amendment Democrats  that held the line.  I am convinced there still are, however they are not the ones being elected anymore, as this party has been so radicalized by progressives that would just love to get rid of the second amendment. Guns are always the first to go when a tyrannical, dictatorial power, socialist/communist government takes hold.  If the 2nd amendment can not be accomplished they have other methods which most of us are well aware of.  This is not your daddy's and certainly my father's democrat party anymore.

Last night I caught a small segment of some of Sanders hi staff talking about once he is elected, they will have to send folks like us to be reeducated.  Where have we seen this before.  Soviet Union and China come to mind.   I forget the show, may have been Tucker Carlson that I flipped over to during a commercial while watching The Curse of Oak Island  ( where the swamp has now been dated to being developed at about 1220 ad ).

God help us if they get all the power they crave.

latest UN 2030 Agenda, where they get their 12yrs which is now 10 yrs end of the world from

Goal 11) Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable

Translation: Ban all gun ownership by private citizens, concentrating guns into the hands of obedient government enforcers who rule over an unarmed, enslaved class of impoverished workers. Criminalize living in most rural areas by instituting Hunger Games-style "protected areas" which the government will claim are owned by "the People" even though no people are allowed to live there. Force all humans into densely packed, tightly controlled cities where they are under 24/7 surveillance and subject to easy manipulation by government.

Total enslavement of the planet by 2030
As the UN document says, "We commit ourselves to working tirelessly for the full implementation of this Agenda by 2030."

If you read the full document and can read beyond the fluffery and public relations phrases, you'll quickly realize that this UN agenda is going to be forced upon all the citizens of the world through the invocation of government coercion. Nowhere does this document state that the rights of the individual will be protected. Nor does it even acknowledge the existence of human rights granted to individuals by the Creator. Even the so-called "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" utterly denies individuals the right to self defense, the right to medical choice and the right to parental control over their own children.

The UN is planning nothing less than a global government tyranny that enslaves all of humanity while calling the scheme "sustainable development" and "equality."

https://www.naturalnews.com/051058_2030_Agenda_United_Nations_global_enslavement.html

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-2030-agenda-this-month-the-un-launches-a-blueprint-for-a-new-world-order-with-the-help-of-the-pope

[Big Rig]

Democrats here are trying to limit our magazines to 10 rounds. I just ordered 30 more 30 round mags for the black scary guns and several more for my carry pistols. Come and try to take them.

They have already done this in NJ....lost all mine in a boating accident...good luck finding them in the atlantic....

[Jess from VA]

Magazines, firearm types/capacities, having one stray bullet where it is not allowed (with no firearm to even fire it), gun free zones (so many feet from this and that).  All these restrictions do nothing against crime.  They just criminalize the law abiding for doing nothing with a bad (criminal) intent.  Aside from righteous and constitutional noncompliance with overreaching legislation, or simple ignorance of the law.

If outlawed, and even if there is no practical way to discover those who do not comply (by otherwise entirely law abiding people), and even if the cops don't go looking (or getting warrants and kicking doors), these laws make good, honest, taxpaying, productive people felons in their own homes.

At what point is the Democratic party as an organization one of the domestic enemies so many took an oath to defend the country against?  Not just rank and file D voters, but surely all politicians who took the same oath and vote for these laws criminalizing ordinary lawful behavior.

[Willow]

Magazines, firearm types/capacities, having one stray bullet where it is not allowed (with no firearm to even fire it), gun free zones (so many feet from this and that).  ... 

"...  the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

At what point do we realize that required licensing and all these silly restrictions are doing exactly what the Constitution says shall not be done? 

[Big Rig]

Once the second goes away, they rest will go away even faster....just sayin...

[scooperhsd]

If I REALLY wanted to kill somebody with a gun, the existence or not of a gunfree zone would not even enter my consideration. Which shows the real point is to make otherwise law-abiding citizens criminals for having guns.

[98valk]

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/01/15/ap-exclusive-northam-ban-guns-capitol-grounds/

[Moonshot_1]

RICHMOND, Va. (WWBT/AP) - Fearing a repeat of the deadly violence that engulfed Charlottesville more than two years ago, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam declared a temporary emergency Wednesday banning all weapons, including guns, from Capitol Square ahead of a massive rally planned next week over gun rights.


Trying to wrap my head around the logic here and unable to do so.

Fearing a repeat of deadly violence like Charlottesville where a guy killed a woman and injured people wit a CAR, the Governor decides to ban all weapons at a GUN RIGHTS RALLY.  What about the cars?

[Serk]

Hope our liberal betters don't try something like this again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

[DirtyDan]

RICHMOND, Va. (WWBT/AP) - Fearing a repeat of the deadly violence that engulfed Charlottesville more than two years ago, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam declared a temporary emergency Wednesday banning all weapons, including guns, from Capitol Square ahead of a massive rally planned next week over gun rights.


Trying to wrap my head around the logic here and unable to do so.

Fearing a repeat of deadly violence like Charlottesville where a guy killed a woman and injured people wit a CAR, the Governor decides to ban all weapons at a GUN RIGHTS RALLY.  What about the cars?

Reminds me of a safety meeting back in pipe fitting.........

“No weapons on the construction site”

  AND 

 Dan

[Serk]

I had been hoping this stays peaceful, but at this point..... this guy makes a very valid point.....

[Jess from VA]

I will be cold in the low 30's on Monday, and every one will be warmly dressed.  Almost everyone will be outside all day.

So the question is, will the "Grounds" (exactly what they are I don't now, and now that is very relevant) be cordoned off with metal detectors and handheld scanners to get in, or not?  I have not heard yet.  With no cordons or detectors, we could have massive civil disobedience, and no one would ever know. There WILL be detectors to get into the statehouse.  

You'll notice that all these changes to Lobby day rules are being made as close to Lobby Day as possible. That's on purpose, of course.  

Northam the Liar and Coward gives reasons for his actions that are the best and most reasonable ones he can come up with (repeat of Charlottesville, out-of-state militias), but they are certainly pure bullsh!t.

I won't go into the (already) long discussions on this but Charlottsville and Lobby day are far, far different things, and he's even said they have no credible threats (only unspecified worries) about out of state militias.  There are simply no counter-protester numbers that could even approach 2-3 percent of our numbers (there could be some peripheral scuffles, but hardly a war).

Since the overwhelming majority of people attending Lobby day in Richmond will be good solid citizens with permits (remember you can't get a permit without being a good solid citizen) (and 632K have been issued in VA, and VA recognizes all 50 other state's permits), the vast majority were planning to come armed (mostly concealed).  So Northam has issued this edict to discourage people from coming at all. It's that simple.  A giant gun free zone with packed in tens of thousands would sure be an unmissable target, and the military types coming know it, and sure won't like it.  (Imagine a belt fed in a hotel window.)

And also, none of us wants to make enemies of rank and file policemen.  Nor should we (at least at this early stage).  The hope is never of course.

Word has it that Northam and Bloomberg (and his people) are working closely together on all of VA's pending gun legislation, and ongoing day to day strategy.  Plenty of public news on Bloomberg backing Northam all the way, and since he spent many millions buying the Democrat majority here, he's making sure he gets his money's worth (and they are dutifully towing the line).  

[Ken aka Oil Burner]

Well Jess, I wish you all the best. Living in an already overbearing state, I am watching this situation closely. I am a member of a known group, often vilified by the media (Oath Keepers). We all understand the potentials here, and the repercussions that may come from it. Don't give in. We have already allowed too much.

[Robert]

I was wondering what would it take to remove Northam from office. The thing I worry about is Northam sets in motion unconstitutional laws, gets people to suffer the consequences, then he gets off totally without consequence. People like Northam never seem to bear the consequences of their actions.


Northam Declares State Of Emergency In Virginia Because "Armed Militia Groups Plan To Storm The Capitol"

[Jess from VA]

Northam Declares State Of Emergency In Virginia Because "Armed Militia Groups Plan To Storm The Capitol"

I think that all sons of liberty have dreamed this very dream, but lifetimes of being good, honest, law and constitution-abiding men makes this kind of action abhorrent to them. 

And there is certainly no such plan. 

But it is nice to know the enemy thinks and worries about such things.  An enemy who is neither good, honest or law and constitution-abiding.

And it could probably be accomplished without arms anyway.   


That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; 

It's amazing how smart these old white guys were, isn't it?  And, that these same men mostly lost everything they had, and all risked hanging by the neck until dead.

[Jersey mike]

I just read of the Governor’s plans this morning and I wish you guys all the best.

I hope this doesn’t turn sideways into a real s#!t show the day of the event. I’m anticipating there will be agitators from the other side attempting to provoke, poke and prod the protesters into altercations. God forbid even one gun is fired or someone decides to pop a ballon to sound like a gun shot it’s going to be a complete disaster. I’m having some terrible scenarios run through my head right now of how an outside agitator could cause a serious disruption and I hope none of which come true for everybody’s sake.

This is a huge issue and I hope it is handled by everyone involved peacefully and without incident.

Stay safe and keep you heads together. The 2A issue is a cause that needs protection for everyone and from those wishing to have it squelched and systematically weakened and dismantled altogether.

[baldo]

I was wondering what would it take to remove Northam from office. The thing I worry about is Northam sets in motion unconstitutional laws, gets people to suffer the consequences, then he gets off totally without consequence. People like Northam never seem to bear the consequences of their actions.

Sounds familiar....

[Jess from VA]

Please do me a favor and do not respond to the troll in this thread. 

Thank you.