Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[scooperhsd]

Second the lock down was about slowing the spread, not preventing the spread. 

Sort of.

The initial lockdown was about flattening the curve, or reducing the burden on hospitals to reduce unnecessary death due to overcrowding.  In countries like Italy it was evident that when hospitals became overwhelmed people unnecessarily died die to a lack of resources, bedding and equipment.  So, the initial lockdown may not have been about preventing the spread but saving lives was absolutely part of their rationale.  Whether it was a good idea will be debated for decades.  I'm not convinced that it was.

I get having the lockdown AT FIRST, what I have a big issue with is the "one size fits all" approach on getting back to "normal". There are some counties  in Western KS that have had ZERO Covid 19 cases. There is no reason they should not be back to normal already ( if they aren't already). And that proclamation from the NJ governor that "they won't be back to normal until a vaccine is available" - does that mean he's going to try to keep the state's economy closed for 2 years maybe ???? I think there should be a revolution (at least) before the people will let that happen. It would be better to go the route of Sweden rather than wait that long.

[carolinarider09]

A Study on Infectivity of Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Carriers May 13, 2020

Background: An ongoing outbreak of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has spread around the world. It is debatable whether asymptomatic COVID-19 virus carriers are contagious. We report here a case of the asymptomatic patient and present clinical characteristics of 455 contacts, which aims to study the infectivity of asymptomatic carriers

Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32405162/?fbclid=IwAR3-V7fI4Urbeo6XXSNdYuTm_PxFo3wbvOTnYCo-m3c9cRTKU8J13waX2F8

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As previously mentioned in this thread I believe I had the "Rona" duirng the latter part of February this year.

2 others from this forum believe they had it in January.

I spoke with a friend who lives in Hickory, NC who also thinks he and his lady friend had it in January.

I'm going to have blood drawn this week for the antibody test. Hopefully it comes back positive and I can raise my middle finger to the "Rona while still taking sensible precautions re personal hygiene.

[Serk]

I thought I'd had it in mid March....

I had the blood test a few weeks ago, hoping I HAD had it just to flip off all the quarantine Karens.....

My test results were negative.....

[carolinarider09]

Major UK COVID-19 vaccine trial in jeopardy because the virus is 'disappearing

https://www.theblaze.com/news/major-covid-19-vaccine-trial-in-jeopardy-because-the-virus-is-disappearing

[Leathel]

Major UK COVID-19 vaccine trial in jeopardy because the virus is 'disappearing

https://www.theblaze.com/news/major-covid-19-vaccine-trial-in-jeopardy-because-the-virus-is-disappearing

It sure has slowed there but still getting a fair few cases daily in UK, My daughter is over there ATM so I am happy to see it drop below 2.5K cases per day

No show of testing it in NZ....last month has seen around 10 new cases, mostly coming in on the few monitored flights...one plus with being small and low population per area

[carolinarider09]

Yes population density seems to have a major influence on these flu like diseases. 

The New York Stock Exchange returned to having real people there, but at about 1/4 the number of before (that figure is from memory). 

One note, they all had to have their temperature checked upon arrival, had to sign a waiver stating they would not hold the NYSE liable if they caught the virus there (now, how the heck would you prove where you got it if you did) and had to agree not to take mass transportation. 

Wonder if mass transit includes taxis since it is used by the masses there. 

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Major UK COVID-19 vaccine trial in jeopardy because the virus is 'disappearing

https://www.theblaze.com/news/major-covid-19-vaccine-trial-in-jeopardy-because-the-virus-is-disappearing

It sure has slowed there but still getting a fair few cases daily in UK, My daughter is over there ATM so I am happy to see it drop below 2.5K cases per day

No show of testing it in NZ....last month has seen around 10 new cases, mostly coming in on the few monitored flights...one plus with being small and low population per area

What's going to happen when restrictions to the outside world are lifted???

[Valkorado]

Brazil records world's highest daily coronavirus death toll for first time

https://thehill.com/policy/international/americas/499460-brazil-has-worlds-highest-coronavirus-death-toll-for-first-time

"Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has previously referred to the coronavirus as a “little flu” and encouraged some businesses to open despite the ongoing pandemic. He also dismissed his former health minister following a reported dispute over the country’s coronavirus response".

[Leathel]

Major UK COVID-19 vaccine trial in jeopardy because the virus is 'disappearing

https://www.theblaze.com/news/major-covid-19-vaccine-trial-in-jeopardy-because-the-virus-is-disappearing

It sure has slowed there but still getting a fair few cases daily in UK, My daughter is over there ATM so I am happy to see it drop below 2.5K cases per day

No show of testing it in NZ....last month has seen around 10 new cases, mostly coming in on the few monitored flights...one plus with being small and low population per area

What's going to happen when restrictions to the outside world are lifted???

good question.....some are saying its going to be a long time before we are fully open. talking about opening to Aus, Fiji and tonga etc first, 2021-22 has been the timeline talked about for the risky countries? that will kill those businesses in tourism..... locals will make up some of the numbers if holidaying in NZ but Aus & the islands wont make enough numbers & $$ to take the stress off.

[..]

Major UK COVID-19 vaccine trial in jeopardy because the virus is 'disappearing

https://www.theblaze.com/news/major-covid-19-vaccine-trial-in-jeopardy-because-the-virus-is-disappearing

It sure has slowed there but still getting a fair few cases daily in UK, My daughter is over there ATM so I am happy to see it drop below 2.5K cases per day

No show of testing it in NZ....last month has seen around 10 new cases, mostly coming in on the few monitored flights...one plus with being small and low population per area

What's going to happen when restrictions to the outside world are lifted???

good question.....some are saying its going to be a long time before we are fully open. talking about opening to Aus, Fiji and tonga etc first, 2021-22 has been the timeline talked about for the risky countries? that will kill those businesses in tourism..... locals will make up some of the numbers if holidaying in NZ but Aus & the islands wont make enough numbers & $$ to take the stress off.

It's going to be tough for NZ. I do wish you good luck. Maybe the country will adapt and improvise so as to stay plague free.

[carolinarider09]

This may have been addressed in the thread on Face Masks but I just saw this.  It was reported on the local news website today. 


It's official. All Virginians must wear face masks while inside public places.

Northam made the announcement on Tuesday during a coronavirus press briefing, stating that everyone will need to wear masks inside stores, barbershops, restaurants, city buildings, on public transportation or anywhere where people can congregate.

https://www.wltx.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/its-official-all-virginians-must-wear-face-masks-while-inside-public-places/291-4ce07d38-8385-4828-9110-9d5b8356b87e?fbclid=IwAR3xEI3vnhPs3-cdI8DU0je9fRaeqb8FfivXF3DqE-P_-oWphfTHHgrGF-s

There is a law in VA against wearing masks to conceal the identify of the person, but the law (code. 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exception), has the following exception. 

the declaration of a disaster or state of emergency by the Governor in response to a public health emergency where the emergency declaration expressly waives this section, defines the mask appropriate for the emergency, and provides for the duration of the waiver. The violation of any provisions of this section is a Class 6 felony.

It would be curious to see if the Governor's declaration has a specific duration, as is required by the above code.

[Serk]

This may have been addressed in the thread on Face Masks but I just saw this.  It was reported on the local news website today. 


It's official. All Virginians must wear face masks while inside public places.

Northam made the announcement on Tuesday during a coronavirus press briefing, stating that everyone will need to wear masks inside stores, barbershops, restaurants, city buildings, on public transportation or anywhere where people can congregate.

https://www.wltx.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/its-official-all-virginians-must-wear-face-masks-while-inside-public-places/291-4ce07d38-8385-4828-9110-9d5b8356b87e?fbclid=IwAR3xEI3vnhPs3-cdI8DU0je9fRaeqb8FfivXF3DqE-P_-oWphfTHHgrGF-s

There is a law in VA against wearing masks to conceal the identify of the person, but the law (code. 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exception), has the following exception. 

the declaration of a disaster or state of emergency by the Governor in response to a public health emergency where the emergency declaration expressly waives this section, defines the mask appropriate for the emergency, and provides for the duration of the waiver. The violation of any provisions of this section is a Class 6 felony.

It would be curious to see if the Governor's declaration has a specific duration, as is required by the above code.

What, Governor Northam forgot his mask at home???

[Moonshot_1]

Had a thought about the masks.
We're supposed to wear them to protect others in the event we have the Covid 19 virus.
If we assume this dynamic to be true and accurate then wouldn't an infected person wearing a mask simply concentrate the virus into the mask they are wearing and breathing through, recirculating the virus back into their lungs that would have otherwise been permanently expelled?

Got an issue with the bacterial risks too.

[carolinarider09]

I tried to do a search on that and found not much that would confirm or refute the notion.  But the studies apparently are basically inconclusive unless the mask is a high filtration surgical mask. 

They concluded that if only 20 percent of people use masks, it wouldn’t make a difference for the spread of influenza. At 50 percent compliance, though, with the use of high-filtration surgical masks, the effect might be substantial. That’s just a theoretical result, and we know that Covid-19 outbreaks have been contained in places without widespread use of masks. On the other hand, when an outbreak is out of control, even a small contribution matters.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-face-mask-debate-reveals-a-scientific-double-standard/

[Moonshot_1]

Just seems like wearing a typical cloth mask is like expecting wearing a swim suit to protect against people peeing in the pool.

[carolinarider09]

Good analogy

[98valk]

Just seems like wearing a typical cloth mask is like expecting wearing a swim suit to protect against people peeing in the pool.

Holey Mask Batman.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/alyssa-milano-massively-mocked-over-coronavirus-mask-tweet-guys-who-wants-to-tell-her/

[DirtyDan]

Just seems like wearing a typical cloth mask is like expecting wearing a swim suit to protect against people peeing in the pool.

https://youtu.be/QY7fODFm3P8

Comes to mind

Dan

[Moonshot_1]

I tried to do a search on that and found not much that would confirm or refute the notion.  But the studies apparently are basically inconclusive unless the mask is a high filtration surgical mask. 

They concluded that if only 20 percent of people use masks, it wouldn’t make a difference for the spread of influenza. At 50 percent compliance, though, with the use of high-filtration surgical masks, the effect might be substantial. That’s just a theoretical result, and we know that Covid-19 outbreaks have been contained in places without widespread use of masks. On the other hand, when an outbreak is out of control, even a small contribution matters.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-face-mask-debate-reveals-a-scientific-double-standard/

Yup, don't see any definitive studies on the effectiveness of mask wearing by the general public to mitigate viral infections. I can see where such studies would be nearly logistically impossible. The variables are all over the place. But we can apply some logic to this.

The purpose of the mask it not to protect the wearer but to protect others from a contagious mask wearer.

So, let's assume the wearer is infected and contagious. Wouldn't the wearer then be constantly dosing themselves with the virus? Every breath they exhale is contagious by definition. The virus now being concentrated in the mask. While the wearer is already infected, is the constant dosing of more and more virus with every breath, virus that would have been exhaled permanently without the mask, increasing the severity of the illness?

[Valkorado]

Watching all the rocket scientist engineers with NASA and SpaceX at Cape Canaveral getting ready for the historic launch as I type this.  The pansy fools are all wearing face masks.  I'm sure just to invoke fear and satisfy the lamestream.   

[carolinarider09]

Moonshot_1,  I tried to find some information on that, the notion of the person wearing the mask would continually re-infect themselves and not allowing the viral particles to leave the body would keep more inside.  But, then I am no viral expert.  And sometimes simple logic does not work.

I also saw an article somewhere that said that the normal CDC guidance for separating one from someone else to minimize the spread of a viral disease was three (3) feet.  But I could not verify that in any of my searches on the subject.

I was at Lowes today and the employees were all most all wearing masks (not all of them but those that were to interface with customers were).  Customers not so much, maybe 30% or so were using masks.  I brought my N95 mask along but left it in the car when I went inside.

Several customers that appeared to be trades people (people buying stuff to work with in their jobs) almost all had bandanas around there necks.  Something not normally seen in South Carolina.  Sort of like something out of an old western movie.

[Valkorado]

For those so inclined, it's probably still not safe to lick those toilet seats!   

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-warns-may-be-possible-coronavirus-spread-surfaces

[hubcapsc]

Carolyn and I were in Greenville today, to pick up her car from the
shop. Once we were in separate cars the Greenville hospital was
a convenient place to split up. I'd been drinking coffee and "stopping
to go" is not as easy as it used to be before the lockdown. So I
parked and went up to one of the hospital buildings. A lady at the
door asked me if I had an appointment, I said "no" that I didn't have
any business in this building, but that I'd like to use the restroom
before I left the campus. She gave me a mask and took my
temperature and asked me almost as many questions as
they ask you when you give blood, and let me in.

Heck, the restroom was closed at the gas stop I used in
North Carolina on the way to the Hillbilly ride, and also
at the Subway (where I ate lunch in the drizzling parking lot),
I had to hold it until Tennessee!

-Mike

[carolinarider09]

That is something I had wondered about, restrooms when making trips. 

I can always find a spot, but the wife is not as flexible in that department. 

Ummm,, may have to make sure I have some empty water bottles for the next trip. 

And yes, I am not very happy about this being the norm for the next ??? weeks/months. 

[Jess from VA]

In my youth, I might have been able to hold it until Tennessee.

Today, I'd have real trouble holding it until Richmond.

I can pee in a container in the back of my big van (and have many times).  It's cleaner than most rest rooms.

But hiding behind your motorcycle does not work at all.   

[Moonshot_1]

In my youth, I might have been able to hold it until Tennessee.

Today, I'd have real trouble holding it until Richmond.

I can pee in a container in the back of my big van (and have many times).  It's cleaner than most rest rooms.

But hiding behind your motorcycle does not work at all.   

If crappin in the streets works in downtown San Francisco it can work anywhere.

[Leathel]

In my youth, I might have been able to hold it until Tennessee.

Today, I'd have real trouble holding it until Richmond.

I can pee in a container in the back of my big van (and have many times).  It's cleaner than most rest rooms.

But hiding behind your motorcycle does not work at all.   

If crappin in the streets works in downtown San Francisco it can work anywhere.

I know a rough "redneck" country boy that decided crapping in the bushes in town was OK.......mid laying the cable the sky lit up red/blue....turned out the other side of said bushes was the Mcdonalds car park and in that park was a police car...... inside for the night for him

 He almost kept it quiet but left his ticket in the glove box......and it got found... moral of the story....get rid of the ticket 
 

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Grrrrrr. Antibody test came back negative but it's only a 40 - 50 % accuracy. Seems like a $60 scam to me.

[Jess from VA]

Grrrrrr. Antibody test came back negative but it's only a 40 - 50 % accuracy. Seems like a $60 scam to me.

So what was the pregnancy results? 

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Grrrrrr. Antibody test came back negative but it's only a 40 - 50 % accuracy. Seems like a $60 scam to me.

So what was the pregnancy results? 

Twins.
Miller and Jose.

[98valk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIVspoodUM&feature=youtu.be

Dr. John Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center has said the recorded coronavirus death toll may be a dramatically overstated. One America's John Hines sat down with him to learn more.

[_Sheffjs_]

I have had enough of wearing stinky masks at work, I say open up!     The world has gone full Bozo.  

Is my breath really this bad?  

[Bighead]

This may have been addressed in the thread on Face Masks but I just saw this.  It was reported on the local news website today. 


It's official. All Virginians must wear face masks while inside public places.

Northam made the announcement on Tuesday during a coronavirus press briefing, stating that everyone will need to wear masks inside stores, barbershops, restaurants, city buildings, on public transportation or anywhere where people can congregate.

https://www.wltx.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/its-official-all-virginians-must-wear-face-masks-while-inside-public-places/291-4ce07d38-8385-4828-9110-9d5b8356b87e?fbclid=IwAR3xEI3vnhPs3-cdI8DU0je9fRaeqb8FfivXF3DqE-P_-oWphfTHHgrGF-s

There is a law in VA against wearing masks to conceal the identify of the person, but the law (code. 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exception), has the following exception. 

the declaration of a disaster or state of emergency by the Governor in response to a public health emergency where the emergency declaration expressly waives this section, defines the mask appropriate for the emergency, and provides for the duration of the waiver. The violation of any provisions of this section is a Class 6 felony.

It would be curious to see if the Governor's declaration has a specific duration, as is required by the above code.

Ok so this says all Virginians. What about people traveling through that state? Inquiring minds and the like.   And what about Virginians in other states can they be charged when not in there own state?

[Robert]

Lancet Study That Caused WHO To Drop Hydroxychloroquine Trials Falls Under Scrutiny

Melbourne epidemiologist Dr. Allen Cheng has questions. For example, he said that the four Australian hospitals involved in the study should be named, that he's never heard of Surgisphere, and that nobody from his hospital, The Alfred, has provided Surgisphere with data.

The data relied upon by researchers to draw their conclusions in the Lancet is not readily available in Australian clinical databases, leading many to ask where it came from.

Victoria’s department confirmed the study’s results relating to the Australian data did not reconcile with the state’s coronavirus data, including hospital admissions and deaths. The NSW Department of Health also confirmed it did not provide the researchers with the data for its databases.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/28/questions-raised-over-hydroxychloroquine-study-which-caused-who-to-halt-trials-for-covid-19


98.1% Of 'COVID-19 Deaths' In Massachusetts Had An Underlying Health Condition

https://whdh.com/news/nearly-every-mass-coronavirus-death-was-patient-with-underlying-medical-condition-data-shows/

[98valk]

https://www.informedamerican.com/43-of-covid-19-deaths-occurred-in-group-that-is-just-0-62-of-population/

No one wants to contract Covid-19, and certainly not die from it.  But when looking at the statistics as to who is most vulnerable, a couple of things stand out.  Older Americans are at risk, and those who live in groups are at great risk.

In fact, 43% of deaths from Covid-19 in the 39 states that report such information occurred in nursing homes and assisted living facilities.  These homes for the aging house just 0.62% of the population, which means that deaths from the disease are highly concentrated in a small fraction of the American public.  In Ohio, 70% of deaths occurred in such facilities, while in Minnesota the percentage jumps to 81%!

The numbers make Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ plan for protecting the elderly look pretty good.

[Valkorado]

http://www.chronline.com/community/half-of-newly-diagnosed-coronavirus-cases-in-washington-are-in-people-under-40/article_23ad9e9e-a13c-11ea-b777-9346d581b637.html

[carolinarider09]

The more you test, the more you are going to find.  So, if those in the younger age groups are being tested more, those numbers will go up.

Note Britman's post about his test.  The results were basically 50/50 for accuracy.  Even if the test was 60/40 and you got a negative you have a 4 out of 10 chance of it being wrong.

The article did not mention the word accuracy.  Ergo, its an article.  it has information as follows:

The report is posted on medRvix, a preprint server for health sciences research. It has not been peer-reviewed, but is based on publicly available data from the Washington Department of Health (DOH)

[The emperor has no clothes]

The more you test, the more you are going to find.  So, if those in the younger age groups are being tested more, those numbers will go up.

Note Britman's post about his test.  The results were basically 50/50 for accuracy.  Even if the test was 60/40 and you got a negative you have a 4 out of 10 chance of it being wrong.

The article did not mention the word accuracy.  Ergo, its an article.  it has information as follows:

The report is posted on medRvix, a preprint server for health sciences research. It has not been peer-reviewed, but is based on publicly available data from the Washington Department of Health (DOH)

Britman's example was of a for profit company testing for antibodies. Completely different than testing for active carriers of the virus. Also, per the link it was ruled out the outcome was due to more testing of younger people. It appears to be because of older, more at risk people taking better precautions. Masks, social distancing, etc. From my experience here, this seems pretty logical. Most of the younger people are partying, no masks, no distancing.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8369241/Sweden-highest-death-rate-capita-country-world-week-data-shows.html