Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[Robert]

Discussion can be fun!  Again, I do see both sides.   

OK so does the altitude effect your judgement??

 

Great pic in your ICON.

[Serk]

Robert - I've been following QAnon since the beginning, I was active on the forum where it originated.

And I don't believe a bit of it.

OK, so you believe Q is a control, but what about the virus and the handling of it?

No, I believe Q is a group of bored neckbeards LARP'ing from their mother's basements.

Handling of the virus -

-I think the virus is very serious, deadly, and should be taken seriously.
-I think the majority of the actions taken thus far have been taken with the best intentions.
-I think some of the politicians, mainly on the left, are trying to shuck and jive this to their advantage, as they always do.
-I see the wisdom in a lockdown, seeing how bad things have been in places that didn't have one until too late.
-My patience for said lockdown is not infinite. The Flugaloo is a real possibility if the powers that be get too drunk with the power they've taken/been given.
-I'm once again reminded of the parallels with the Y2K bug.

Edit to add - not at you, but in a really foul mood, been planning on either taking the kids to our land for the day today or taking a long trip on the Valk today.

My land is in the middle of the black circle.

[Valkorado]

Discussion can be fun!  Again, I do see both sides.  

OK so does the altitude effect your judgement??

 

Great pic in your ICON.

 

Sometimes when I'm getting up around timberline I find myself on the throttle a bit too much for the prevailing conditions.  It's worked out well so far.  

That's why I like to go to places like the icon pic (Moab) in the summer.  To thaw and breathe in the "thick" air!

[Robert]

That's why I like to go to places like the icon pic (Moab) in the summer.  To thaw and breathe in the "thick" air!

 

[Robert]

Robert - I've been following QAnon since the beginning, I was active on the forum where it originated.

And I don't believe a bit of it.

OK, so you believe Q is a control, but what about the virus and the handling of it?

No, I believe Q is a group of bored neckbeards LARP'ing from their mother's basements.

Handling of the virus -

-I think the virus is very serious, deadly, and should be taken seriously.
-I think the majority of the actions taken thus far have been taken with the best intentions.
-I think some of the politicians, mainly on the left, are trying to shuck and jive this to their advantage, as they always do.
-I see the wisdom in a lockdown, seeing how bad things have been in places that didn't have one until too late.
-My patience for said lockdown is not infinite. The Flugaloo is a real possibility if the powers that be get too drunk with the power they've taken/been given.
-I'm once again reminded of the parallels with the Y2K bug.

Edit to add - not at you, but in a really foul mood, been planning on either taking the kids to our land for the day today or taking a long trip on the Valk today.

My land is in the middle of the black circle.

 

Wow, the best example of the effects of to much quarantine time and bad weather. Heck that is almost the time when it becomes do or die to get out. Have you seen Netflix and the Flash, or Daredevil lately. How about reading the bible 

[Robert]

Well you know things are bad when it gets to these workers. 

This dominatrix is in a financial bind because of the coronavirus

https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/this-dominatrix-is-in-a-financial-bind-because-of-the-coronavirus/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

[Valkorado]

Such a waste of talent.  I can think of a few around here who could use a good whippin'.

[Serk]

So yeah, I do believe the general idea of the lockdown is a smart one.

That doesn't mean I think all the things big brother is doing or trying to do are acceptable or wise!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-most-extreme-lockdown-measures

[Valkorado]

So yeah, I do believe the general idea of the lockdown is a smart one.

That doesn't mean I think all the things big brother is doing or trying to do are acceptable or wise!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-most-extreme-lockdown-measures

Gunnison County is threatening to toss visitors, including non-resident homeowners, in the pokey for a year and a half, plus a five grand fine!  It's all about our little hospital, and heavy case saturation.

Texas Attorney General is squealing about unconstitutionality; Colorado Attorney General standing behind commissioners.

[98valk]

So yeah, I do believe the general idea of the lockdown is a smart one.

That doesn't mean I think all the things big brother is doing or trying to do are acceptable or wise!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-most-extreme-lockdown-measures

Gunnison County is threatening to toss visitors, including non-resident homeowners, in the pokey for a year and a half, plus a five grand fine!  It's all about our little hospital, and heavy case saturation.

Texas Attorney General is squealing about unconstitutionality; Colorado Attorney General standing behind commissioners.

and as I 'm trying to get across the govt mainly state governments has screwed the citizens who pay high health insurance.

this is the reason for the lock down not enough beds to support a highly contagious disease, which for a high % do not need hospital stay, but enough do as to overload the inadequate hospital system.

https://medium.com/concentrated-benefits/how-state-certificate-of-need-con-laws-impact-access-to-health-care-b8d3ec84242f

https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/con-certificate-of-need-state-laws.aspx

[Willow]

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this is the reason for the lock down not enough beds to support a highly contagious disease, which for a high % do not need hospital stay, but enough do as to overload the inadequate hospital system.
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I hate to break my pattern and reply to this but the issue is not a shortage of beds.  The issue is the expectation in the projected future there will not be enough beds.  The models that have presented those expectations have repeatedly failed.  I know it is worth discussion as to whether the models are projecting high because of effective mitigation or because of faulty data being inputted.  A model's projection is totally driven but its data.  That data starts with some hard numbers from experience but also involves some initial speculation on how those numbers will evolve. 

[_Sheffjs_]

Report from inside the hardest hit part of Italy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qveMbt2XE4

Quite somber video Serk.   

[Serk]

I might be non-religious, but I still respect simple basic rights of those who are to worship as they please, especially when they make reasonable accommodations (Beyond reasonable even) for the current situation.

This damn near makes me want to resort to violence.

But I won't. Not yet.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/mississippi-coronavirus-shutdown-city-bans-drive-in-church-services-easter

[Valkorado]

I might be non-religious, but I still respect simple basic rights of those who are to worship as they please, especially when they make reasonable accommodations (Beyond reasonable even) for the current situation.

This damn near makes me want to resort to violence.

But I won't. Not yet.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/mississippi-coronavirus-shutdown-city-bans-drive-in-church-services-easter

No reason for that crap,  unless they know more than they're telling us.   Freedom to worship.

It seems the organizers were considering the proper distancing (cars) , etc..   Couldn't the property owners,  church or parishioners sue?  Of course the city would probably cite them for not filing the proper licenses or some BS like that.   Seems they always have their regulations and legalese to hide behind.

This is totally different from the mega church pastors that want to proceed with traditional church pew services ,  IMHO.  Can't say I condone that, right now anyway.   Not unless they space the parishioners six feet apart and have them wear face coverings.

Yes,  these stories are worth watching.   Closely.

[Willow]

I might be non-religious, but I still respect simple basic rights of those who are to worship as they please, especially when they make reasonable accommodations (Beyond reasonable even) for the current situation.

This damn near makes me want to resort to violence.

But I won't. Not yet.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/mississippi-coronavirus-shutdown-city-bans-drive-in-church-services-easter

One group of $500 tickets was given for a group meeting in the parking lot, in their cars, with the windows rolled up.  The cars were not even parked next to one another while they watched the pastor's preaching.  If they have a legitimate court at any level those will be thrown out and the government official who ordered such behavior will be in big trouble.  One of the policemen told the pastor that "his rights were suspended".  Say what?

It may be most practical for churches to meet remotely during these days but that is for the people to decide not for the government to do so.

[Jess from VA]

I might be non-religious, but I still respect simple basic rights of those who are to worship as they please, especially when they make reasonable accommodations (Beyond reasonable even) for the current situation.

This damn near makes me want to resort to violence.

But I won't. Not yet.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/mississippi-coronavirus-shutdown-city-bans-drive-in-church-services-easter

I've been following this one with a friend in MS.

I understand the MS statewide lockdown rules (Governor) closed indoor church services (as has everyone) but did not prohibit what these people were doing (for 3 weeks).

But the Greenville MS mayor added his own lockdown rule specific to all churches.  This article also cites city council, but I believe this is all on the mayor.  A pile of $500 tickets (not just drivers, everyone in each car).  (that's likely a max a judge could reduce)

I do not know MS preemption laws but often state law cannot be overridden or altered/made more restrictive by local municipalities (and that can be universal, or only as to specific things) (gun owners should know all about this issue).  I've read what I can find, but found no discussion on this issue in this case.

Not only are they suing, but every man with a ticket should demand a jury trial; the local judge will love that one.

Word in MS is, this mayor (Errick D. Simmons) better enjoy his current (2d) term.  The mayor said people have to get out of the cars to pee (that's weak).   

[Serk]

Being usually a big "Support law and order" type guy, I'm VERY disappointed in the cops that are willing to enforce these bullspit orders.....

I'll leave it at that...... for now.....

[Jess from VA]

Being usually a big "Support law and order" type guy, I'm VERY disappointed in the cops that are willing to enforce these bullspit orders.....

I'll leave it at that...... for now.....

So am I (a big supporter of LE), but there are exceptions.

But it's always hard for me to fault a man with a wife and kids to support and a career being asked (or considering) to disobey orders for an absolutely right reason, only to be fired out of hand.  That is a lot to ask of anyone.  If top LE leadership (always with the most to lose), lays down the law, you either go to work, or you're done.  Sometimes there's wiggle room on certain cases, but not when the target is known and in broad daylight (like the church).

Believe me, anyone who ever served in the military has had these thoughts (and they usually don't just fire you, they make an example of you in a court martial).

Most recently, we in VA just missed (by 4 votes) an assault weapon ban (grandfathering those already owned, but with full registration).  And then you start thinking about options, several of which could get you a kicked door and entry team.  Which to me is a bit worse than not going to church (but not to many people).  And that will be back next year, for certain.  Commissar Northam just signed the half dozen other bills that did pass, bless his communist heart.  Red flag, no private sales, one handgun a month, and a few others.  

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 Commissar Northam just signed the half dozen other bills that did pass, bless his communist heart.  Red flag, no private sales, one handgun a month, and a few others.  

Drip, drip, drip.

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https://www.the-sun.com/news/669953/shock-moment-passenger-dragged-off-philadelphia-bus-cops-face-mask/

[DarkSideR]

(I can't believe I'm actually sharing a Bill Maher video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8

This group is corrupting me. Now I'm agreeing with Bill Maher.

[..]

https://apnews.com/b93ce6129f6e8f3d2307f3febf5a246d

Electric bands for Koreans who break quarantine

[Serk]

Kentucky has announced they will be sending police to churches to record the license plates of all who dare to go to church on Easter Sunday, and will be giving those people mandatory 14 day quarantines afterwards.

Glad to see there's at least a little bit of the rebellious spirit left in the soul of this nation.

[3fan4life]

more fun with the Chinese sh!t virus!

Coronavirus 'harms the brain and nervous system of HALF of severely ill patients and a third of all cases' — causing symptoms such as stumbling, slurred speech and seizures

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8208417/In-half-severe-cases-COVID-19-affect-brain-nervous-too.html

Most likely a consequence of the hypoxia that the disease causes.

[..]

Don't let a good crisis go to waste


https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Leaders-seize-new-powers-to-fight-coronavirus-15195776.php

[Valkorado]

Don't let a good crisis go to waste


https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Leaders-seize-new-powers-to-fight-coronavirus-15195776.php

Along with massive unemployment.   Keep yer pow-pow dry.

[..]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/03/27/covid-19-phone-location-tracking-its-moving-fast-this-is-whats-happening-now/#69c7130411d3

[Valkorado]

OSS, Britman, Wizzard - -  you guys could be candidates.

If you think you had coronavirus, a new study might give you your answer

https://www.foxnews.com/science/if-you-think-you-had-coronavirus-a-new-study-might-give-you-your-answer

[Valkorado]

more fun with the Chinese sh!t virus!

Coronavirus 'harms the brain and nervous system of HALF of severely ill patients and a third of all cases' — causing symptoms such as stumbling, slurred speech and seizures

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8208417/In-half-severe-cases-COVID-19-affect-brain-nervous-too.html

Most likely a consequence of the hypoxia that the disease causes.

Likely.   It would still majorly suck.

Coronavirus: Patients have suffered strokes and other neurological symptoms, says study

 https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-patients-have-suffered-strokes-and-other-neurological-symptoms-says-study-11972707

[Valkorado]

Death penalty states urged to turn over lethal injection drugs to help critically ill coronavirus patients

https://www.foxnews.com/us/death-penalty-coronavirus-lethal-injection-drugs-ventilator-intubation

Nothing to see here.   Move on.

[scooperhsd]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/03/27/covid-19-phone-location-tracking-its-moving-fast-this-is-whats-happening-now/#69c7130411d3

I don't go ANYWHERE on the internet without my Adblocker enabled

[Valkorado]

Pretty interesting graphic if you want to put any credence in China's numbers.  It's interesting even if,  like me,  you don't.

From Johns Hopkins.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1539110/

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Pretty interesting graphic if you want to put any credence in China's numbers.  It's interesting even if,  like me,  you don't.

From Johns Hopkins.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1539110/

Lying ChiComs.

[Willow]

Worldwide numbers, especially comparative numbers, are likely to not be very meaningful.  Testing and reporting are very different in differing cultures and environments.  In this country we have tested less than 1% of the population.  While we are reporting numbers, we really have no idea how many people have actually had COVID-19.

[Beardo]

Worldwide numbers, especially comparative numbers, are likely to not be very meaningful.  Testing and reporting are very different in differing cultures and environments.  In this country we have tested less than 1% of the population.  While we are reporting numbers, we really have no idea how many people have actually had COVID-19.

My daughter is a nursing student, her Biology prof believes we have a much greater percentage of the population that has had it (were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms) and hopefully now possess the antibodies to make them immune. He’s advocating for widespread testing of everyone so the ones with the antibodies can get back to work.

I suspect that’ll be the first step to getting a lot of us back to work. Combined that with faster tests and subsequent quarantines for those currently infected. Hopefully the Hydroxychloroquine and other combos tests prove to be successful in knocking down the mortality rate.

[Valkorado]

OK.   I fear the Almighty God.   I respect our right to worship Him.  I still have to scratch my head a bit at these stories.

Virginia pastor who defiantly held church service dies of coronavirus

https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-held-packed-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/

[The emperor has no clothes]

Worldwide numbers, especially comparative numbers, are likely to not be very meaningful.  Testing and reporting are very different in differing cultures and environments.  In this country we have tested less than 1% of the population.  While we are reporting numbers, we really have no idea how many people have actually had COVID-19.

My daughter is a nursing student, her Biology prof believes we have a much greater percentage of the population that has had it (were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms) and hopefully now possess the antibodies to make them immune. He’s advocating for widespread testing of everyone so the ones with the antibodies can get back to work.

I suspect that’ll be the first step to getting a lot of us back to work. Combined that with faster tests and subsequent quarantines for those currently infected. Hopefully the Hydroxychloroquine and other combos tests prove to be successful in knocking down the mortality rate.

I believe your daughters professor is correct. But until we get testing up to speed it's a mute point. Here we are months later and still waiting on testing.

[3fan4life]

more fun with the Chinese sh!t virus!

Coronavirus 'harms the brain and nervous system of HALF of severely ill patients and a third of all cases' — causing symptoms such as stumbling, slurred speech and seizures

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8208417/In-half-severe-cases-COVID-19-affect-brain-nervous-too.html

Most likely a consequence of the hypoxia that the disease causes.

Likely.   It would still majorly suck.

Coronavirus: Patients have suffered strokes and other neurological symptoms, says study

 https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-patients-have-suffered-strokes-and-other-neurological-symptoms-says-study-11972707

Yes it would majorly suck.

My point is that these things are a result of the profound hypoxia being caused in severe cases and are not something new.

The virus hasn't mutated and began attacking the brain directly.

 

[Willow]

I believe your daughters professor is correct. But until we get testing up to speed it's a mute point. Here we are months later and still waiting on testing.

I'm sure you meant moot.

Yes, it is important that we get the ability to test for immunity readily available but meantime the question remains of how many lives we're saving and how many lives we're costing in the destruction of our economy and culture to mitigate.

[Willow]

OK.   I fear the Almighty God.   I respect our right to worship Him.  I still have to scratch my head a bit at these stories.

Virginia pastor who defiantly held church service dies of coronavirus

https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-held-packed-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/

My church has gone to worshiping through remote media.  I support that and am one who works to make that available.  I still hold that it is the people's decision and not the government's.  I have no problem with the pastor's choice.

I wonder if the NY Post will be reporting on how many attended church and did not acquire the virus.  I wonder if that percentage will be significantly different than that of the population at large.