Is anyone watching the Q&A session?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Followup question to our friends on the left: If you knew this whole thing would not be successful, why did you support putting our country though all this when the outcome was a forgone conclusion? What was the point?

A follow up to your follow up, if I could. Do you believe what Nixon did in the Watergate Scandal was impeachable ?

[Serk]

Followup question to our friends on the left: If you knew this whole thing would not be successful, why did you support putting our country though all this when the outcome was a forgone conclusion? What was the point?

A follow up to your follow up, if I could. Do you believe what Nixon did in the Watergate Scandal was impeachable ?

Yes.

[scooperhsd]

No doubt on what Nixon did.

IF (a big if) the Democrats had actually found "High Crimes and Misdeamonors" worthy of impeaching the President, I'm betting even the Republicans would have voted for the impeachment. As it is - the democrats have only accomplished in "weaponizing" the Constitutional process of impeachment. God help the next President who isn't absolutely squeeky clean and above board in his dealings with Congress and other country's leaders. If by some miracle the Democrats manage to vote Trump out of office, but the House swings Repubican - prepare for ultimate political warfare. Except the Republicans will learn from the Democrats mistakes and make it stick.

I wish we could punish the Democratic leaders and toss them into jail for this travesty.

[Big Rig]

At this point and time....clock management has to come into play for the Dems....if you know it is a lost cause, dont drag it out...lick you wounds and get back in the game...

If they drag it on, they WILL loose votes...plane and simple....

[Jess from VA]

Their one trick pony act is really getting old, and quite boring.

They need to find a new trick.

Or is it a mule?

[henry 008]

"I wish we could punish the Democratic leaders and toss them into jail for this travesty."

I think the DNC should pay the government back for the money it wasted with the 'Russia" hoax, and Ukraine hoax, and the impeachment hoax!   

[Black Pearl's Captain]

Best part is when that little AOC runs those questions up to the desk.

[Willow]

Followup question to our friends on the left: If you knew this whole thing would not be successful, why did you support putting our country though all this when the outcome was a forgone conclusion? What was the point?

A follow up to your follow up, if I could. Do you believe what Nixon did in the Watergate Scandal was impeachable ?

Yes.

All three impeachment articles against Richard Nixon were tightly tied to the unlawful break in of the DNS Washington headquarters and his subsequent efforts to cover up the crime.  Without the crime none of the impeachment claims would have made sense.  When President Nixon resigned votes committed to his impeachment were clearly bipartisan, that is made up of both dominant political parties.

Yes, Richard Nixon's behavior was criminal, that is against the law.

As to Serk's question, the point was not to remove President Trump.  They knew that the Senate would not do that.  The option was to get as much anti-President Trump publicity as possible to handicap him for the 2020 election (Would that be what they continually refer to as trying to "cheat" in the election?).  You'll see this as you note the managers' time in front of the camera (and in the halls) was not so much trying to sway senators as it was to preach to voters at large.

Votes to impeach President Trump were entirely made up of one political party in the House.  Speaker Pelosi admonished the Senate that votes for conviction or acquittal must be disregarding political party.  How strange and hypocritical is that?  

[Jersey mike]

Hey all, my daughter came home from college for the weekend, I missed the last 10-15 minutes before I guess they adjourned. I guess we’re waiting on the vote. Was there a time line given when to expect that. I’m watching on C-SPAN2.

[Serk]

Hey all, my daughter came home from college for the weekend, I missed the last 10-15 minutes before I guess they adjourned. I guess we’re waiting on the vote. Was there a time line given when to expect that. I’m watching on C-SPAN2.

They just had the vote on dragging this out even more (I.E. calling witnesses) and it failed, 51 to 49. The senate is now in recess.

[Bighead]

Serious question to our friends on the left: Did any of you seriously think this whole exercise would lead to the removal of our president from office?

No, I was under no allusions that 20 R Senators would cross over. What is absolutely disgusting is that they're such cowards that they wouldn't cross to allow witnesses and evidence. What kind of trial exists without them? What are they afraid of? Oh yeah, the truth.

Sorry for being pissed on your comment, Serk.

What kind of trial exists witout them? You have to be kidding? If they needed more witnesses they should have been subpoenaed in the house before the articles were sent to the Senate, that is so simple anyone should be able to understand that.The way the Schiff show conducted the house side of things,no rebuttal,no counsel to represent the accused ,no one from the republican side to sit in on said meetings. (Yeah that was fair) Pelosi saying this has to be bi-partisan yet it wasnt.Then handing out pens since it was (her words) a somber occasion ,her smiling the whole time.  They kept claiming abuse of power. They are the only ones guilty of that. It is hilarious they flip the way they do. Everything they accused they are guilty of.

[f6john]

Tennessee comes through, Lamar Alexander says no to more witnesses. If Romney votes for more witnesses he will be a one term Senator from Utah.

Yeah, he comes through all right. He's not running for reelection. He's a fing coward. He admits the wrong, but won't allow witnesses. COWARD.

You shouldn’t be upset or disgusted with Lamar or any of the Republicans. If I were you I would be boiling over with disgust for the sham of an impeachment that the Democrats presented and railroaded through with no bipartisan support and a couple of defections! If they couldn’t convince their colleagues in the house, why expect anything different in the Senate.

Did Trump ask for help investigating possible corruption by the Biden’s? I suppose he did, so what? I believe it needs to be investigated and even more so because Biden is vying for the chance to be President. Did he hold up aide ? Yep, fine with me too.

As I said in another post, don’t go bear hunting with a stick.

[Rams]

The vote is in on additional witnesses. 51/49 for no additional witnesses.

So, that's over with and now they'll end with an acquittal. That has been expected since the beginning. It takes a 2/3rd majority to convict. That was never gonna happen.
Now they should get back to the business of the Corruption Investigation, I'd like to know what selling one's integrity is worth like it appears VP Biden did.

Rams

[Oss]

doggone it I need to agree with Carl that without the coverup Nixon was clean  (I was a Humphrey supporter altho in HS at the time so could not vote)
I do not believe Congress had any ground to go after him at first,  but once the tapes were out.....

It took Nixon to go after and finally OPEN China as an anti communist from day one. A genius move, he could not have anticipated the stealing of intellectual property at that time but to open China to us ... WOW
  Likewise Trump's negotiating skill made him the only one who could kill and re-work the trade deals, get VA help, choice for terminally ill to get new drugs etc.

What is consistent here?  We all know that Congress did not go after Obama when the DNC STOLE the nomination from Sanders with Clinton's clear cooperation and PAC $.

That is a stain that Obama will never lose in history just like bowing to the Prince, apologizing for our nation and giving Obamacare to us (that is also on Pelosi)

You can not have two sets of rules.  The POTUS must ask about corruption It is his duty,  If you thought a delivery of meat in your freezer was compromised because you had a video of the delivery person dropping the meat on a pile of dog crap and bragging about would you not ask to investigate or even just throw it out?.  And would the fact that you were up for a review have any bearing on your decision Rob?

Of course you would do the right thing I know you well enough to say that

Why would it matter if election was in 1 year or 3 years if it does to you then you can never be fair

[Jersey mike]

doggone it I need to agree with Carl that without the coverup Nixon was clean  (I was a Humphrey supporter altho in HS at the time so could not vote)
I do not believe Congress had any ground to go after him at first,  but once the tapes were out.....

It took Nixon to go after and finally OPEN China as an anti communist from day one. A genius move, he could not have anticipated the stealing of intellectual property at that time but to open China to us ... WOW
  Likewise Trump's negotiating skill made him the only one who could kill and re-work the trade deals, get VA help, choice for terminally ill to get new drugs etc.

What is consistent here?  We all know that Congress did not go after Obama when the DNC STOLE the nomination from Sanders with Clinton's clear cooperation and PAC $.

That is a stain that Obama will never lose in history just like bowing to the Prince, apologizing for our nation and giving Obamacare to us (that is also on Pelosi)

You can not have two sets of rules.  The POTUS must ask about corruption It is his duty,  If you thought a delivery of meat in your freezer was compromised because you had a video of the delivery person dropping the meat on a pile of dog crap and bragging about would you not ask to investigate or even just throw it out?.  And would the fact that you were up for a review have any bearing on your decision Rob?

Of course you would do the right thing I know you well enough to say that

Why would it matter if election was in 1 year or 3 years if it does to you then you can never be fair

Since the dawn of politics there has been politicians digging up dirt on their opponents and that’s a fact. Doesn’t anyone wonder how politicians found out the dirty little secrets on a political rival before this modern era of instant communication? It was through insiders, reporters, other rivals and so on and most likely any credible information would have been rewarded in some fashion. As for our President, IMO, what he did/didn’t do is the lesser of the 2 evils in this trial if you really believe a political opponent running for the office of POTUS is beyond investigation if there is a cause, reason or belief he/she is guilty or has given the impression of a past or present impropriety even if another country can confirm, attest or provide proof of impropriety especially in this day in age of the ease of communication between 2 countries and the more complex nature of geopolitics.

The bigger evil here is how the House wished to side track the ability of the POTUS to use his right to due process as well as the House not taking the lesser conditions of reprimand of the POTUS before jumping to impeachment.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Since the dawn of politics there has been politicians digging up dirt on their opponents and that’s a fact. Doesn’t anyone wonder how politicians found out the dirty little secrets on a political rival before this modern era of instant communication? It was through insiders, reporters, other rivals and so on

Absolutely. But, what you gloss over is the difference of using the power of our government to strong arm a FOREIGN government to do the dirty work for them. Being a candidate, and asking for Russia to help you is bad enough. Being a President, and extorting a foreign government to dig up dirt for you is beyond the pale. Well.....at least for some it is.

[The emperor has no clothes]

doggone it I need to agree with Carl that without the coverup Nixon was clean  (I was a Humphrey supporter altho in HS at the time so could not vote)
I do not believe Congress had any ground to go after him at first,  but once the tapes were out.....



What is consistent here?  We all know that Congress did not go after Obama when the DNC STOLE the nomination from Sanders with Clinton's clear cooperation and PAC $.

I didn't read Willow's take on the matter that way. As I understood what he said was, Nixon committed crimes before the coverup that were impeachable. Nixon's problem was he followed the Constitution and let his people go before Congress. Had he followed Trump's playbook, he would have served out his term.
 As to Congress going after Obama for the DNC's shenanigans in helping Clinton over Sanders. That is not for them to do. For one, the parties are quasi-private organizations that can nominate people as they see fit. Two, Obama had nothing to do with it to begin with. That is on Clinton and her political machine she set up.

[f6john]

Since the dawn of politics there has been politicians digging up dirt on their opponents and that’s a fact. Doesn’t anyone wonder how politicians found out the dirty little secrets on a political rival before this modern era of instant communication? It was through insiders, reporters, other rivals and so on

Absolutely. But, what you gloss over is the difference of using the power of our government to strong arm a FOREIGN government to do the dirty work for them. Being a candidate, and asking for Russia to help you is bad enough. Being a President, and extorting a foreign government to dig up dirt for you is beyond the pale. Well.....at least for some it is.

Trump is President, he is obliged to look into corruption if you are providing aide to that government, that aide is taxpayer money, not Pelosi’s. Does the fact that a former VP could be involved mean it’s hands off? I don’t think so. Maybe you think there is dirt to dig and you don’t want it disturbed? Has any other President ever been investigate more than Trump? And what has been discovered? Top personnel at the FBI used fraudulent info to obtain warrants to investigate Trump and his associates, and who has paid a price for that? Beyond the pale is the Democratic party  planning and implementing a overthrow of the duly elected President since his nomination and election. Beyond the pale indeed!

[The emperor has no clothes]

Since the dawn of politics there has been politicians digging up dirt on their opponents and that’s a fact. Doesn’t anyone wonder how politicians found out the dirty little secrets on a political rival before this modern era of instant communication? It was through insiders, reporters, other rivals and so on

Absolutely. But, what you gloss over is the difference of using the power of our government to strong arm a FOREIGN government to do the dirty work for them. Being a candidate, and asking for Russia to help you is bad enough. Being a President, and extorting a foreign government to dig up dirt for you is beyond the pale. Well.....at least for some it is.

Trump is President, he is obliged to look into corruption if you are providing aide to that government, that aide is taxpayer money, not Pelosi’s. Does the fact that a former VP could be involved mean it’s hands off? I don’t think so. Maybe you think there is dirt to dig and you don’t want it disturbed? Has any other President ever been investigate more than Trump? And what has been discovered? Top personnel at the FBI used fraudulent info to obtain warrants to investigate Trump and his associates, and who has paid a price for that? Beyond the pale is the Democratic party  planning and implementing a overthrow of the duly elected President since his nomination and election. Beyond the pale indeed!

Above board "looking in to corruption" would involve the institutions of our government. State Dept., DOJ, FBI, etc. NOT A PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND HIS NEFARIOUS STOOGES IGOR AND LEV.

[Jersey mike]

Since the dawn of politics there has been politicians digging up dirt on their opponents and that’s a fact. Doesn’t anyone wonder how politicians found out the dirty little secrets on a political rival before this modern era of instant communication? It was through insiders, reporters, other rivals and so on

Absolutely. But, what you gloss over is the difference of using the power of our government to strong arm a FOREIGN government to do the dirty work for them. Being a candidate, and asking for Russia to help you is bad enough. Being a President, and extorting a foreign government to dig up dirt for you is beyond the pale. Well.....at least for some it is.

If POTUS is removed from office Pence is next, no doubt and Pelosi moves into White House.

There is so much more to this than what is portrayed in the media and on it’s surface.

We’re all big kids here so bear with me for a few minutes and let me get out what I believe is the real nature of this whole thing. Believe me it may seem a little far fetched but it’s not IMO.


Justice Scalia “died” I believe March 2016. There was some push for Obama to be allowed to name his successor but that all died down when Hillary Clinton became the favorite to win the election so she was going to be able to appoint a liberal justice....Anti-guns, pro all things liberal and progressive.

The Democrats had their whole agenda all lined up for HC’s big win and the party’s movement further left.

Trump wins based on one of his promises...”Drain the swamp”, there goes the monkey wrench in the cog of the progressive movement.

The new Ukraine President was elected on April 21, 2019. He ran on a similar anti corruption platform.

Joe Biden announcement of his presidential campaign begins April 25, 2019.

There are 20 other candidates when he makes his announcement....20.

Now the Biden boys (and his staff as well as who knows who else) “know” Trump was not going to let his campaign promise of exposing corruption just slip away so they have 3 days to come up with a plan to shield them from the new Ukraine President and any new investigation into the past. What’s their plan, announce Joe is running for President. If Trump gets involved in any way it becomes tampering with an election.

Looking back at the transcript of the the July25, 2019 phone call to the Ukraine President all that was asked was to “re-examine ” the investigation into corruption which may have occurred. If Clinton was elected this would never have been brought up again.

Joe Biden was not interested in running for President he was using the process as a shield. I clearly recall Joe Biden speaking in a couple interviews well before the current Presidential campaign even began of him saying he wasn’t interested in running unfortunately I can’t locate those tv interviews.

It’s my opinion that Joe planned to drop out of the campaign for “health” issues or some other reasons if President Trump was impeached or removed from office then he would back another candidate.

Now for a couple articles;

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-saying-hed-only-serve-202319117.html

Biden, 77, who has said he's "not sure" he'd even be running if Trump wasn't president, has reportedly signaled to campaign aides he would only serve one term,


I followed that to this;
https://mobile.twitter.com/nytpolitics/status/1168953833051099136?s=20

Which led to this;
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/02/us/politics/joe-biden-2020.html#click=https://t.co/VEB4zeg74x

So why is he running? And is the singular nature of the opponent all it will take to convince voters that Joe Biden really wants to be doing this right now — at this vicious moment in our politics and at this stage of his life

Those are the rallying cries with which Mr. Biden’s “play it safe” selling point is competing. And as strong as that point might be, his superpower of perceived electability coexists with a lingering question about why, exactly, he has decided to jump back into this delirium pen.

Asked another way: Would he be doing this if a more conventional Republican (a Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush) were in the White House?

“Um, I’m not sure, to be quite honest with you,” Mr. Biden said. “I hadn’t planned on running again.”


Joe Biden is already laying the ground work for the possibility of not finishing his term, he was openly discussing who he should pick as a suitable running mate if he needed to step down or “died in office”.

IMO President Obama, Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama fit in the works somewhere. I could see President Obama being naked to the Supreme Court through Biden and Ginsburg stepping down for this to happen. I can see HC being naked VP and Biden stepping down for “health reasons” for HC to gain the presidency.


So there you have it, my thoughts, my take on what is really the behind the scenes goings on. Tear it to shreds anyway you want but I’m pretty certain this is the bigger story.


One thing I forgot to include was what the DNC did to screw Bernie Sanders so HC could be the presidential nominee....so add that into the mix as well.

[f6john]

Since the dawn of politics there has been politicians digging up dirt on their opponents and that’s a fact. Doesn’t anyone wonder how politicians found out the dirty little secrets on a political rival before this modern era of instant communication? It was through insiders, reporters, other rivals and so on

Absolutely. But, what you gloss over is the difference of using the power of our government to strong arm a FOREIGN government to do the dirty work for them. Being a candidate, and asking for Russia to help you is bad enough. Being a President, and extorting a foreign government to dig up dirt for you is beyond the pale. Well.....at least for some it is.

Trump is President, he is obliged to look into corruption if you are providing aide to that government, that aide is taxpayer money, not Pelosi’s. Does the fact that a former VP could be involved mean it’s hands off? I don’t think so. Maybe you think there is dirt to dig and you don’t want it disturbed? Has any other President ever been investigate more than Trump? And what has been discovered? Top personnel at the FBI used fraudulent info to obtain warrants to investigate Trump and his associates, and who has paid a price for that? Beyond the pale is the Democratic party  planning and implementing a overthrow of the duly elected President since his nomination and election. Beyond the pale indeed!

Above board "looking in to corruption" would involve the institutions of our government. State Dept., DOJ, FBI, etc. NOT A PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND HIS NEFARIOUS STOOGES IGOR AND LEV.

The request for help was made directly to the new President of the government. That’s supposedly what the whistleblower blew the whistle on. I’m pretty sure the institutions of our government are very much involved at this point. If I were President and had as many people working against me as Trump does, I would employ people I could trust even if a few stooges were in the mix.

[Robert]

CNN Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin: ‘Trump Won’

Even CNN gets it. Now hold on thru the b.s. that’s sure to drop over the next few days and it’s done.

    CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin: 'Trump won' and 'that's how history will remember' this impeachment pic.twitter.com/AxxrhT9O78

    — TV News HQ (@TVNewsHQ) February 1, 2020


Trump's inevitable acquittal is not going over well

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1223348649981288454

[Jess from VA]

Trump's inevitable acquittal is not going over well

Oh yes it is, with the good people of this nation.

Those that don't like it should vote out their stooges and vote in some better stooges.  

In the meantime, come on November.

Go Bernie!    

[Serk]

2 out of 3 presidents who have ever been impeached were impeached for embarrassing Hillary Clinton.....

...just saying.....

[scooperhsd]

If "Pence becomes President ", then he invokes his power to appoint his successor as VP - I doubt even the Democrats can come up with enough crap before the VP gets confirmed in the Senate - this will keep the "West Coast B****" out of the White House.

[Willow]

I didn't read Willow's take on the matter that way. As I understood what he said was, Nixon committed crimes before the coverup that were impeachable. Nixon's problem was he followed the Constitution and let his people go before Congress. Had he followed Trump's playbook, he would have served out his term.
 As to Congress going after Obama for the DNC's shenanigans in helping Clinton over Sanders. That is not for them to do. For one, the parties are quasi-private organizations that can nominate people as they see fit. Two, Obama had nothing to do with it to begin with. That is on Clinton and her political machine she set up.

Clarification - The original crime committed was the Watergate break in.  Nixon's crime was covering up the crime.  It was not proven that Nixon ordered the break in but his staff (election and otherwise) certainly did.  The point is Nixon committed a crime.

As to following Trump's playbook, no crime was committed.  No witness has connected a "quid pro quo" as the House democrats allege.  The House managers repeatedly allege that President Trump asked and pressured Ukraine to "dig up dirt" on Mr. Biden.  He did not.  He simply told them it would help the U.S. if they would investigate.  Investigate means to determine whether a crime was committed.  The House managers repeatedly refer to this as "cheating" on the election.  Is attempting a politically motivated impeachment not "cheating" on the election?  There was never a chance of removing the President but hope that a public process of impeachment would smear his image.

The House managers insist no crime is necessary.  The Constitution clearly refers to "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".  The inclusion of other indicates that these are also crimes.  No crime, no reason for impeachment.

The heat of your hatred has interfered with your rational logic. 

[John Schmidt]

Since the dawn of politics there has been politicians digging up dirt on their opponents and that’s a fact. Doesn’t anyone wonder how politicians found out the dirty little secrets on a political rival before this modern era of instant communication? It was through insiders, reporters, other rivals and so on

Absolutely. But, what you gloss over is the difference of using the power of our government to strong arm a FOREIGN government to do the dirty work for them. Being a candidate, and asking for Russia to help you is bad enough. Being a President, and extorting a foreign government to dig up dirt for you is beyond the pale. Well.....at least for some it is.

Trump is President, he is obliged to look into corruption if you are providing aide to that government, that aide is taxpayer money, not Pelosi’s. Does the fact that a former VP could be involved mean it’s hands off? I don’t think so. Maybe you think there is dirt to dig and you don’t want it disturbed? Has any other President ever been investigate more than Trump? And what has been discovered? Top personnel at the FBI used fraudulent info to obtain warrants to investigate Trump and his associates, and who has paid a price for that? Beyond the pale is the Democratic party  planning and implementing a overthrow of the duly elected President since his nomination and election. Beyond the pale indeed!

Above board "looking in to corruption" would involve the institutions of our government. State Dept., DOJ, FBI, etc. NOT A PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND HIS NEFARIOUS STOOGES IGOR AND LEV.

No it wouldn't if it is a foreign country doing the investigation. They may well ask for assistance and/or information from our various depts. but the preponderance of the work would fall on the foreign shoulders, not ours. Now if Trump had done a fraction of the things Obama did, then yes....he should be removed from office. But he didn't and one only needs to look at Obama's "legacy" in which there have been pages written that list his improper(being delicate there) activities. I think it's time this is all allowed to die but I feel the Democrat party as a whole won't allow it, I look for any and all of them to continue harping about a multitude of things. All done in an attempt to smear Trump enough to affect his campaign in a negative way. Personally, I think much of this action will backfire, time will tell.

[Jess from VA]

No kidding Carl, it is that simple.

The president couldn't have worried about rampant corruption in Ukraine.

The president couldn't have worried about big US bucks getting siphoned off by oligarchs (instead of used for their national defense).  Which has happened many times with US bucks/food/medicine in the past BTW. The oligarch that owned the company Hunter Biden worked for was known as the single most corrupt man in the Ukraine, so it was conceivable those US funds could end up paying HB's salary, indirectly.  

The president couldn't have reasonably concluded Hunter Biden's $80K a month job he was entirely unqualified for might actually be part of Ukrainian corruption, and might blow up in the future making the US look bad, and interfering with good and continuing US/Ukraine relations.  And he certainly couldn't have reasonably concluded that dad Joe made them fire that prosecutor (by withholding US funds) to keep his son's job and big pay check continuing.  

The president has no lawful interest in overseeing US Foreign relations (even though the entire US State department works for him).

The president has no lawful interest in curbing criminal conduct involving US national interests (even though the entire DOJ and Treasury works for him).

No one in the entire Ukraine from Zelensky on down says any pressure was brought at all, by anyone.  And they did no investigation on the Biden's, and Ukraine got the money (after a short delay, just like many other counties).  

The president was ONLY interested in sinking Quid Pro Joe's possible run for the presidency on the democratic ticket, in a field of 20.  That was his ONLY interest or motivation.  That's completely believable.  NOT.  And it was NOT proven in the House or the Senate.  Not beyond a reasonable doubt, and not even by a preponderance of the evidence. Despite the 24 hours of jabbering House managers.

No crime was alleged, and no crime was proven.  It's that simple.

And the great irony is that the democrats did much more to hurt Biden's candidacy by bringing this impeachment than the president ever did (other than being a much better president than Joe could ever be).  Although maybe they thought that was a good 2fer; who knows what those clowns think?  

[Rams]

The heat of your hatred has interfered with your rational logic. 

Willow has just summed up the entire Democratic leadership's and many of the left's "believer's whole issue.   President Trump has weathered this storm and come out on top.   I, for one, appreciate his efforts and even though I am not a fan, he will get my vote in the next election.   The Dems only offer more corruption and socialist policies.   They apparently want to follow Venezuela into the depths of such a system.

Admittedly, I'm not a fan of DJT (he only got my vote because the alternative was putting HRC into the Oval Office).   But, I can't argue with the success his administration has had.   His administration is Making America Great Again although draining the swamp comes with a high price.   The bacteria living in the swamp is doing everything it can to survive.

As a Conservative, I simply don't understand Liberals, Progressives or, anyone else that believes a Socialist system will work.   History has shown it simply can not support itself.   

Rams

[Jersey mike]

If "Pence becomes President ", then he invokes his power to appoint his successor as VP - I doubt even the Democrats can come up with enough crap before the VP gets confirmed in the Senate - this will keep the "West Coast B****" out of the White House.

I said Pence is next. If something would render the VP incapable or incapacitated of performing his duties before being sworn in and choosing a VP then The Speaker would slide in. Helicopter accidents happen, car accidents happen, super viruses with a 2 week incubation period with no vaccine originating in a foreign country just happen coincidentally.

[Jersey mike]

The heat of your hatred has interfered with your rational logic. 

Willow has just summed up the entire Democratic leadership's and many of the left's "believer's whole issue.   President Trump has weathered this storm and come out on top.   I, for one, appreciate his efforts and even though I am not a fan, he will get my vote in the next election.   The Dems only offer more corruption and socialist policies.   They apparently want to follow Venezuela into the depths of such a system.

Admittedly, I'm not a fan of DJT (he only got my vote because the alternative was putting HRC into the Oval Office).   But, I can't argue with the success his administration has had.   His administration is Making America Great Again although draining the swamp comes with a high price.   The bacteria living in the swamp is doing everything it can to survive.

As a Conservative, I simply don't understand Liberals, Progressives or, anyone else that believes a Socialist system will work.   History has shown it simply can not support itself.   

Rams

Democrats in office, especially at the higher levels play the passive aggressive poor me games extremely well. Their playbook is well formulated and has a proven track record. The notion they can poke the bear, anytime any way and make it the bears fault has been used time and time again and they get away with it. I believe though people are finally reading the plays right now and understanding the Democrats are going to the same plays over and over again. The Democrats (in office) have proven you can say anything you want in a well mannered tone, with the “spirit” of being well intentioned on the surface and still display outrage when they are called out or challenged on what they say. If you challenge them you become a racist, a homophob, a 1% elitist, a destroyer of the environment or my favorite, privileged.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The heat of your hatred has interfered with your rational logic. 

Willow has just summed up the entire Democratic leadership's and many of the left's "believer's whole issue.   

Willow has also stated that Trump's NUMEROUS lies were not lies. He has no room to be speaking of logic. His willingness to overlook Trump's lies, immorality, bullying behavior, all for a couple Supreme Court Justices is very telling indeed.

[Black Pearl's Captain]

[..]

Yep

[Rams]

The heat of your hatred has interfered with your rational logic.  

Willow has just summed up the entire Democratic leadership's and many of the left's "believer's whole issue.  

Willow has also stated that Trump's NUMEROUS lies were not lies. He has no room to be speaking of logic. His willingness to overlook Trump's lies, immorality, bullying behavior, all for a couple Supreme Court Justices is very telling indeed.

While I do not agree with your perspective, I do understand that you don't like President Trump and any excuse to go there is good enough (personally, I don't care for him all that much either).   I don't really blame you, I felt "almost" the same about HRC.   The difference is, most of my anger was on proven issues.   Not speculations, accusations or allegations made by some party official or a biased media.  

Rams

[f6john]

The heat of your hatred has interfered with your rational logic. 

Willow has just summed up the entire Democratic leadership's and many of the left's "believer's whole issue.   

Willow has also stated that Trump's NUMEROUS lies were not lies. He has no room to be speaking of logic. His willingness to overlook Trump's lies, immorality, bullying behavior, all for a couple Supreme Court Justices is very telling indeed.

Your butt hurt is showing again. Just like kids on a playground, but,but,but, he’s a bully and he called me names, and he grabbed my sisters crotch. For heavens sake grow up and move on to a better argument.

[Robert]

Senator Rand Paul
@RandPaul
Jan 30

My question today is about whether or not individuals who were holdovers from the Obama National Security Council and Democrat partisans conspired with Schiff staffers to plot impeaching the President before there were formal House impeachment proceedings.

Are you aware that House intelligence committee staffer Shawn Misko had a close relationship with Eric Ciaramella while at the National Security Council together 1/2
and are you aware and how do you respond to reports that Ciaramella and Misko may have worked together to plot impeaching the President before there were formal house impeachment proceedings.  2/2

My question is not about a “whistleblower” as I have no independent information on his identity. My question is about the actions of known Obama partisans within the NSC and House staff and how they are reported to have conspired before impeachment proceedings had even begun.


I wonder,

In law, treason is criminal disloyalty, typically to the state. It is a crime that covers some of the more extreme acts against one's nation or sovereign???


Biden admits he gets the prosecutor fired and will not give the loan unless that happens.

https://youtu.be/Q0_AqpdwqK4?t=3107

[Jersey mike]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-appears-to-mock-pelosi-by-handing-out-pens-during-bill-signing

[Robert]

Willow has also stated that Trump's NUMEROUS lies were not lies.

He has no room to be speaking of logic.

His willingness to overlook Trump's lies, immorality, bullying behavior, all for a couple Supreme Court Justices is very telling indeed.

I thought slander was not allowed on this board by, ANYONE. Seems I see some bus tracks on someones back just about now.

[98valk]

The heat of your hatred has interfered with your rational logic. 

Willow has just summed up the entire Democratic leadership's and many of the left's "believer's whole issue.   

Willow has also stated that Trump's NUMEROUS lies were not lies. He has no room to be speaking of logic. His willingness to overlook Trump's lies, immorality, bullying behavior, all for a couple Supreme Court Justices is very telling indeed.

you need to see a doctor, and/or talk to your minster/pastor since you just listed things of how your father treated you growing up, which u posted months ago. this why u hate trump so much, which in fact u hate your dad for. I base this on what you wrote before. I tried to PM you to discuss with you back then but u have me blocked. God Bless.