new motorcycle shed...

[carolinarider09]

Marine plywood is great stuff.  Have not used it for years but I once built a 15' Knockabout sailboat in my carport (I was 16) and used marine plywood.  It lasted many years.  

When I retired in 2018, I finally got a chance to finish my workshop (well I had dug the foundation but not put the building up).  I wanted a building I could actually raise a 4x8 sheet of plywood in and found a company, Socket Systems, that had a method that gave me high ceilings and ease of construction.  They are no longer in business but I love the results.  

[hubcapsc]

I finally got a chance to finish my workshop

Nice roof... and other stuff too...

I'll probably put a v-crimp roof on my little building... the v-crimp
roof on my littler motorcycle shed is over 20 years old without any
rust... it has a decent pitch, like, 8-in-12 I think... I have some less
steep metal roofs that aren't much or any older that are rusty... I
think the good pitch (your building has a good pitch) has something
to do with no rust...

-Mike

[carolinarider09]

Mike,

Don't really know the pitch but I have a garage I built the same way thats been in service for 10 plus years as has the house.  Its roofing from Metal Sales.  

The only issue I have had is with the house.  The roof is steep and and on the part that faces south I found some screws backing out. I mean they were  actually almost out of the roof.  I assume it was expansion/contraction fro sunlight but.....

As i get older, its harder to get up there and do any maintenance.  But.... I will keep trying.  

The picture below is during construction about 10 years ago.  Still have the Explorer 

Jim

[hubcapsc]

36 tuba fours. Doesn't sound like much. My little truck knew
they were there!



-Mike

[Rams]

Mike,

Don't really know the pitch but I have a garage I built the same way thats been in service for 10 plus years as has the house.  Its roofing from Metal Sales.  

The only issue I have had is with the house.  The roof is steep and and on the part that faces south I found some screws backing out. I mean they were  actually almost out of the roof.  I assume it was expansion/contraction fro sunlight but.....

As i get older, its harder to get up there and do any maintenance.  But.... I will keep trying.  

The picture below is during construction about 10 years ago.  Still have the Explorer  

Jim

The home I am currently constructing has an 8/12 pitch roof, I assure you, your roof is closer to a 12/12 pitch.   I could be wrong but, this I know, no way could I stay on your "metal" roof without being tied on.  

The "Spousal Unit" and I seriously considered putting a metal roof on with spray foam insulation.   Just couldn't justify the additional cost.   We went with dimensional shingles (supposedly a 30 year warranty).   The metal roofs we looked at had a 50 year warranty.    I won't be around another 50 years and that company may not be around either.    I doubt the shingles will last that long but, I shouldn't have to put another roof on due to age.   High winds, hail and other acts of Mother Nature not counted.  We're still going with the spray foam insulation, the foam insulation has an immediate payback and will continue to payback as long as it and I are around.  

BTW, nice structure/home.   Very attractive.

Rams

[carolinarider09]

Thanks. 

We used several methods to put up the roof and sheathing.  I did purchase a "harness" for safety reasons and I did use it but, I am sort of ashamed to say, not all the time.  Likewise the scaffold came with some "safety" poles but using those limited the ability to reach some places inside and outside.

We did use spray foam between the roofing rafters and in some exterior walls.  As such, while no vents and returns exist in the attic area, it is normally the same temperature as the upstairs rooms. 

The other thing we did was contact a specialist (for lack of a better term) to evaluate the structures enclosures and help make decisions on insulation.  The use of a door blower found several air leaks that were then closed.  We did not elect to activate an outside air supply to the home's interior.  Although the pipes were installed but not actually vented to the outside. It could be with a days work. 

His analysis did not support enclosing/sealing the crawl space to make it "controlled" as well.  In hind sight that might have been money well spent. 

[hubcapsc]

I got a little work done the last couple of afternoons... I have enough
2x4s to finish the back wall, then I'll have to go back to Lowes... South
Carolina is locked down for all but essential trips, I'm glad I went on
a ride a couple of days ago...



There's a bunch of people over on the acousticguitarforum posting little
videos while stuck at home, I sat out by the white wisteria for a while
this morning and posted a couple of minutes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e48gJNvU44Q

-Mike

[The emperor has no clothes]

I got a little work done the last couple of afternoons... I have enough
2x4s to finish the back wall, then I'll have to go back to Lowes... South
Carolina is locked down for all but essential trips, I'm glad I went on
a ride a couple of days ago...



There's a bunch of people over on the acousticguitarforum posting little
videos while stuck at home, I sat out by the white wisteria for a while
this morning and posted a couple of minutes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e48gJNvU44Q

-Mike

Building stuff is pretty haphazard for me. You do good work.  I'm curious why you are doing the back wall in 2 parts ? (Your music ability is about 5,000 times better than mine also) 

[msb]

I got a little work done the last couple of afternoons... I have enough
2x4s to finish the back wall, then I'll have to go back to Lowes... South
Carolina is locked down for all but essential trips, I'm glad I went on
a ride a couple of days ago...



There's a bunch of people over on the acousticguitarforum posting little
videos while stuck at home, I sat out by the white wisteria for a while
this morning and posted a couple of minutes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e48gJNvU44Q

-Mike

Shed's coming along nicely Mike, but what I really like is your playing. Is that Colorado song one of yours as well?

[Valkorado]

Shed's coming along nicely Mike, but what I really like is your playing. Is that Colorado song one of yours as well?

Love that song!  That's a Henry John Deutschendorf Jr. classic.   Very nice rendition!  

[msb]

Shed's coming along nicely Mike, but what I really like is your playing. Is that Colorado song one of yours as well?

Love that song!  That's a Henry John Deutschendorf Jr. classic.   Very nice rendition!  

Lol....wondered if you may have been funnin' me, so I had to look him up...John Denver

[hubcapsc]

I'm curious why you are doing the back wall in 2 parts ?

I did the side wall in two parts too. I built the walls lying down on the deck
and lifted them into place - it doesn't pay to build walls you aren't
strong enough to lift  ... also, I didn't have any 16 foot long or 12 foot
long plates (the horizontal 2x4s) and it was easy for me to lay out the
back wall on the floor and account for the window rough opening. There
will be a window on the other half of the back wall too...

-Mike

[hubcapsc]

About the Colorado song... it was written by Bill Danoff and Taffy Nivert,
and John Denver did play it on an album, also Merle Haggard did too...

-Mike

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm curious why you are doing the back wall in 2 parts ?

I did the side wall in two parts too. I built the walls lying down on the deck
and lifted them into place - it doesn't pay to build walls you aren't
strong enough to lift   ... also, I didn't have any 16 foot long or 12 foot
long plates (the horizontal 2x4s) and it was easy for me to lay out the
back wall on the floor and account for the window rough opening. There
will be a window on the other half of the back wall too...

-Mike

(I would have built the whole wall and then wondered "wtf do I do now" )

[hubcapsc]

Another trip to the grocery store for food...

Another trip to Lowes for lumber...

And another trip outside with a guitar  ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsER4axHdmw

And a couple of more afternoons of working on the shed...



-Mike

[Jess from VA]

Mike, these posts on the shed with your playin' and singin' are becoming the highlight of my days.   

Please, keep them comin'.    (but no pressure, none at all)

[msb]

Mike, these posts on the shed with your playin' and singin' are becoming the highlight of my days.   

Please, keep them comin'.    (but no pressure, none at all)

Ditto, Jess!!!

[Foozle]

04-10

Seems fitting - a little shed humor (perhaps very little if you're not a Monty Python fan).

https://vimeo.com/338144148

[hubcapsc]

04-10

Seems fitting - a little shed humor (perhaps very little if you're not a Monty Python fan).

https://vimeo.com/338144148

That was good  ... I'll have two sheds soon, as long as the quarantine holds out...

-Mike

[Skinhead]

Mike 1.5 sheds Marshall.  (Soon to be 2 sheds).

[hubcapsc]

Tornadoes and stuff have kind of kept me busy for a few days. No damage
at my house, but no power for four days. I still have manged to make two
trips through the devastation to Seneca for lumber and have made some
progress on the shed.

I built the door wall, all in once piece because of the header. The header
made it heavy, but my neighbor came over and helped lift it into place.
Then I racked and braced all the walls. Temporary two-by-four braces
on three walls, and the actual plywood sheathing on the door wall so
that there wouldn't be a brace across my door while I was trying to work.
I also laid out the first rafter using marks on the floor.





After the walls were racked everything came out pretty plumb and square  ...



The door wall was the last one I racked, it is cool how the walls go from being
floppy parallelograms to rigid walls after they are braced  ...



I uploaded  a couple of guitar songs to youtube too... one with lyrics I made
up while riding from Arizona to Taos with Mitch on hiway 64. It has a lot
of chord changes, and kind of went kablooie right at the end, I'll have to
do it over  ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1bhIX3LDHc

-Mike

[Chrisj CMA]

Good work mike. That looks like you could live in there. Nit built like a some old crappy shed fir sure!!!

[hubcapsc]

Good work mike. That looks like you could live in there. Nit built like a some old crappy shed fir sure!!!

Thanks  ... I like nailing two-by-fours together, but it's nothing like the
furniture projects I've seen of yours...

-Mike

[Jess from VA]

Very nice work.   

Now I am wondering how in the world you are going to get all the roof rafters up there (without help)?

Don't be falling off there.

The last time I was on a roof in progress I stepped back on a part without sheeting and fell through... but my armpit saved me from hitting the floor below (ouch). 

[Skinhead]

Attaboy 1.5 sheds.

[hubcapsc]

Now I am wondering how in the world you are going to get all the roof rafters up there (without help)?

I have scaffolding. Two layers (doesn't need to be tied off) is enough to get my face at the
same level as the peak. I'll have pictures  ...

-Mike

[BCoy]

  Love the songs, great work on your shed it looks great, 

[henry 008]

could you record your videos with a little more volume? my puter speakers are at 100% and so is my Youtube volume, and yet i can barley here you. thanks for posting, i like watching your project getting built.

[hubcapsc]

Hi y'all... thanks for the interest...

could you record your videos with a little more volume?

My recording studio iphone lacks power I guess... I only just
tried to use it to record guitar videos since the lockdown started,
it is "a thing" over on the acousticguitarforum. I got a new microphone
that makes it so that you can record outside when the wind is
blowing, and it sounds pretty good but it is not loud on my
laptop. It sounds plenty loud and clear with headphones, and
probably with powered speakers...

Using the rafters I laid out in one of the preceding pictures as templates,
I've been cutting rafters on the deck and assembling them in
place from on top of the scaffolding, and it is working.



Here's a song about being old  ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=172UJU9RILM

-Mike

[hubcapsc]

The shed is starting to look like something... climbing around up in the rafters
is like a real job! 



The other day when it was raining I sat in front of the porch doors and
played guitar until the iphone battery wore down (and beyond)... got
all the way through a couple of songs without going D'OH too many times...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETivTch0nvM

-Mike

[The emperor has no clothes]

Looking good Mike  (be careful climbing around)

[Jess from VA]

Making nice progress Mike.   

But I'm enjoying the Gibson picken' with songs. 


Might you sheet a portion of the rafter struts for overhead storage (of stuff)? 

My 10 X 12s are both 1/3 loft, but with my shorter roofs I can reach some (most used) stuff from the floor, or only need a 4' stepladder to reach back in there.  Nothing heavy duty, 3/8 plywood (as I don't actually climb in there). 

 

[hubcapsc]

Might you sheet a portion of the rafter struts for overhead storage (of stuff)?

I aim to... concurrently with putting up the tin, so I'll have something to stand on
up there...

But I'm enjoying the Gibson picken' with songs.

I've recently become aware of a young fellow named Billy Strings...
him and his pals are on numerous youtube videos... holy cow are
they good !

-Mike

[threevalks]

Mike, Not bitchin, but The carpenter in me has made me curious. By looking at the plywood and ladders, your walls look to be nine foot tall. Why did you not nail the joist on top of the walls instead of nailing them to the rafters. They can then hold your walls and rafters together plus hold a lot more weight for storage vs just scabbed to the rafters. Do you need that much head room?  The one thing I do know is that you need to bring that guitar to the fire pit gatherings. Hope to see you at the Hill Billy ride.

[hubcapsc]

Mike, Not bitchin, but The carpenter in me has made me curious. By looking at the plywood and ladders, your walls look to be nine foot tall. Why did you not nail the joist on top of the walls instead of nailing them to the rafters. They can then hold your walls and rafters together plus hold a lot more weight for storage vs just scabbed to the rafters. Do you need that much head room? 

  

The studs are  92 5/8 inches.

I used rafter ties instead of ceiling joists because I will want it
to seem BIG in there, just a feeling thing. You can see it in a couple
of the pictures, I used a thing made out of two 2x6s screwed
together such that it looks like a T in section. It is afixed to
the double top plate in the middle of the building to help keep
the walls from spreading from lack of ceiling joists nailed to the
top plates. Also... in my previous plush well-lit workshop (pole
barn with dirt floor) I used an old swingset frame to hold up my
handlebars whenever I removed the bar clamps or top plate -
the ceiling-tie will serve that purpose as well.

The three-ply 15/32 plywood I'm sheathing the building with is
relatively light, I'll put slightly cut-down sheets of that in my
"attic", I know I shouldn't store boxes of bowling balls up there  ...

EDIT: I see what you mean about the plywood... I cut down the plywood
sheathing on the front and will use treated-for-ground-contact plywood
at the bottom where the walls aren't off the ground...

-Mike

[Skinhead]

I suggest any of our talented members bring their instruments to the HHR if possible.  Fiddles, banjers, and mandolins would be awesome 'round the pool.  It could turm into a real hootenanny.

[msb]

Might you sheet a portion of the rafter struts for overhead storage (of stuff)?

I aim to... concurrently with putting up the tin, so I'll have something to stand on
up there...

But I'm enjoying the Gibson picken' with songs.

I've recently become aware of a young fellow named Billy Strings...
him and his pals are on numerous youtube videos... holy cow are
they good !

-Mike

Mike, the shed looks great... I'm enjoying seeing a project like this get completed step by step. Of course I'm also enjoying your guitar playing/singing. Billy Strings... ya, there is one impressive young player, I've been following him for several years. He's got a great story too. Check out the following video of him and his step dad Terry Barber from a few years ago. His step dad was a player on the local bluegrass scene when he adopted him and taught him to play. Now Billy has become quite well known and he is bringing Terry along for the ride, including him in some of his tours. Inspiring to watch them play together... the connection that music has given them. There's other great YT videos of them playing together as well.

https://youtu.be/zcPKt2-9P7U

Ps... this is a Great on-going post

[hubcapsc]

Watched it, thanks! https://youtu.be/zcPKt2-9P7U

-Mike

[Skinhead]

https://youtu.be/zcPKt2-9P7U

Ps... this is a Great on-going post

WOW!  That's awesome.

[hubcapsc]

On the old little shed where the 1500 lives, I extended the gable end walls.



I like how it keeps the rain away from the doors and it provides a nice storage shelf inside...



I hit a milestone on the new shed... All the rafters are up and I extended the gable
end wall too. On this bigger shed, having a 12 foot long 2x12 flying out over the doors was
a bigger engineering project but I think it is up there to stay...



Actually, I have one more rafter to go... I haven't extended the gable end on the back yet...

-Mike