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Savago
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« on: June 02, 2020, 12:25:06 PM »

It wasn't a Target being looted.

It wasn't cars being set on fire.

I strongly disagree with such criminal acts and I want to see the criminals paying for the damage and I hope in due time some of them will have to face justice.

What really shocked me wasn't the property damage. I disagree with the method and one party wrongs (e.g. police) doesn't justify another wrong (i.e. looting).

But in the end of the day, this is just material things, 'stuff', it can be easily replaced.

What really shocked me was:
a) A reporter being arrested by 'police' dressed in combat gear on live TV. This is what you expect in a Banana Republic.

b) People being beaten up, shot with 'non-lethal'* ammo and run over by police SUVs (NYPD, the finest!) for no apparent reason. Again, stuff of a non democratic nation.

* yeah, sure, get one of those pellets in one eye and see how that works for you. Or even better: what if a citizen shot a cop with a 'non-lethal' cartridge and see how the Justice hammer will drop on them...

This is a brazen attack to the First Amendment by the same authorities that supposedly pledged to protect our Constitution.

If they go after the First Amendment, guess which Amendment comes next? Am I the only one that sees this?
 Shocked

I lived my youth under a military dictatorship and I can recognize the signs of an abusive government. First they shut the people up, next they censor the media and finally they confiscate the guns. I've seen it happening before, it is always how it works.

Finally: people are protesting against lack of accountability of Police and racially targeted violence. You got to be living under a rock to not see that those are legitimate claims.

The answer of the authorities for those? More police brutality!

And now we have a president threatening to unleash the military on our civilian population.

Is this why I pay taxes? To be threatened by the government?

The worst part of this whole mess: the same people (rightfully) protesting now will be the ones being hit by Covid-19 in 2 to 3 weeks.

This whole thing is totally FUBAR.
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2020, 12:33:35 PM »

I'm aghast of seeing this image. For snuggles sake, could be my daughter coming back from buying groceries.
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2020, 12:34:05 PM »

Finally: people are protesting against lack of accountability of Police and racially targeted violence. You got to be living under a rock to not see that those are legitimate claims.


You're being emotionally manipulated. You're smarter than that. Look at the actual facts and data.

https://research.msu.edu/the-truth-behind-racial-disparties-in-fatal-police-shootings/

For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed.

For every 10,000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed.

There is definitely a problem with militarized police in this nation, but race isn't the central pillar of that problem.

Sources should you care to fact check the above (And no, I haven't personally done so, but it's been out there for a while and no one's come forward with good info discrediting it.)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43?fbclid=IwAR0Wx8jIvTUuLSMwXVxpK9_n1I8KOPNneeCJpWOkEP_R-v92XcJ8AZBzLe8

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43?fbclid=IwAR3mWyAe5ETNnIlNJs5p1o5JNZ5ARBp4BwaN5haWZwvKdVVFG_8gjeSRPJU

https://t.co/fKlyO9Oa6S?amp=1&fbclid=IwAR2TO-930o6up0hOa5Le2EbpnaRkQxLylEG6M-wWA9RCgn9Y0gR0xqbYlwY

https://t.co/nXZ8a2jCaS?amp=1&fbclid=IwAR2kMkfi_fdyaG4euYgVpJDUGWNZXAnfsUpWah9y5FURDjjk0LjOpWLoUcM
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2020, 12:37:57 PM »

There is definitely a problem with militarized police in this nation, but race isn't the central pillar of that problem.

I believe we both agree that, given the taxes paid, we should have a better trained and more accountable police.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2020, 01:01:55 PM »


What really shocked me was:
a) A reporter being arrested by 'police' dressed in combat gear on live TV. This is what you expect in a Banana Republic.

b) People being beaten up, shot with 'non-lethal'* ammo and run over by police SUVs (NYPD, the finest!) for no apparent reason. Again, stuff of a non democratic nation.


WRONG! cnn reporter was told to MOVE to another location by the police he refused after the police told him many times. THAT IS WHY HE WAS ARRESTED.

there are been other news reports, with other reporters, police told them to move and they moved.


REALLY?, NO APPARENT REASON??
 the police were being attacked, and run over by protestors, and now have been shot at and actually shot.  it is a shame u are so blind.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2020, 01:12:33 PM »

Hmmm.  Two videos here.  

https://lailasnews.com/georgefloyd-dallas-protesters-brutally-beat-white-man-wielding-machete-at-them-video/

I guess they're not "shocking" because they depict typical racist thug behavior.

I've seen several similar videos.  In one a man saw his wife being beaten by similar lovely young activists, and when he came to her defense they beast him down as well.
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2020, 01:19:45 PM »

This is way to far from reality.

Peaceful protests are good.

Destroying others lively hood, property, buisnesses, hurting them is not.

Your social justice statement does not come with a blanket ok to destroy others property.

By saying police brutality for protecting others property you are as much a cause as the rioters themselves.

If you are in a riot, and your walking around, you are to far gone to understand anything about personal saftey.

If you would let your daughter go into a bad area or into a riot and buy groceries you are probably the worst parent I have ever seen. I cannot even imagine the logic that its ok to do this.

Former Black Lives Matter Ferguson Organizer, Chaziel Sunz Exposes Democrats, Antifa, BLM & More
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR8SSPxVxSI&feature=youtu.be

It would be nice if you would understand this video
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2020, 01:21:44 PM »

We have looters, rioters, and thugs embedded with the peaceful protestors. The peaceful protestors know this. They have to know they give cover for the looters, rioters, and thugs. The looters, rioters and thugs are using the peaceful protestors as human shields. Those who wish to peacefully protest must choose their venues carefully lest they be co-opted by the looters, rioters, and thugs.

I see the deployment of military assets at this time as the effort to protect the civilian population.

If you don't want to be threatened by the government don't be a looter, rioter or thug. Don't enable them either.
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2020, 01:31:52 PM »

REALLY?, NO APPARENT REASON??
 the police were being attacked, and run over by protestors, and now have been shot at and actually shot.  it is a shame u are so blind.

Are we even talking about the same video? For reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v0dc44El5U

Watch it and have a look on it. Closely.

Let's look at the situation: you are heavily armed and have protestors in your front. You are inside of a 3 tons vehicle.

The rear is clear, what to do?

My basic training on defensive driving (yep, don't ask) tells that you choose the path of less resistance avoiding further escalation.

I guess they teach something else at the Police Academy.

What would *you* do in such situation? Would you drive over people or reverse?

Another thing: there must be a proportionality when scaling violence (101 on use of defensive force).

You say the 'cops were attacked', but by what? By water bottles and traffic cones. While inside a 3 tons vehicle.

Does it grant use of lethal force or grave bodily injury?

Nopes.

If you really think otherwise, this discussion is useless. We are operating with a different set of values and understanding of law.
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2020, 01:54:49 PM »

...
What would *you* do in such situation? Would you drive over people or reverse?
...
You say the 'cops were attacked', but by what? By water bottles and traffic cones. While inside a 3 tons vehicle.

Does it grant use of lethal force or grave bodily injury?
...
If you really think otherwise, this discussion is useless. We are operating with a different set of values and understanding of law. 

To answer the question, I would drive forward and demonstrate to the lawbreakers that they won't just get away with it.

Yes.  Yes.  Put yourself in the rioters' position.  If you were throwing objects at heavily armed men in three ton vehicles would you expect they should back away and give you free rein (reign?)?

You saw, with your untrained eye, lethal force?

You are correct.  This discussion with you is useless.
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2020, 01:55:15 PM »

OP Quote:

"I disagree with the method and one party wrongs (e.g. police) doesn't justify another wrong (i.e. looting)".

Does this mean the police are R's and the hoodlum looters are Deez?   ???
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2020, 01:58:38 PM »

REALLY?, NO APPARENT REASON??
 the police were being attacked, and run over by protestors, and now have been shot at and actually shot.  it is a shame u are so blind.

Are we even talking about the same video? For reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v0dc44El5U

Watch it and have a look on it. Closely.

Let's look at the situation: you are heavily armed and have protestors in your front. You are inside of a 3tons vehicle.

The rear is clear, what to do?

My basic training on defensive driving (yep, don't ask) tells that you choose the path of less resistance avoiding further escalation.

I guess they teach something else at the Police Academy.

What would *you* do in such situation? Would you drive over people or reverse?

Another thing: there must be a proportionality when scaling violence (101 on use of defensive force).

You say the 'cops were attacked', but by what? By water bottles and traffic cones. Does it grant use of lethal force or grave bodily injury?

Nopes.



First I’m going to quote you from your original post; “ ... run over by police SUVs (NYPD, the finest!) for no apparent reason“



Now I watched the video you posted, not one person was run over, they were shoved, forcefully and rightfully so. Those were not peaceful protesters. When you throw stuff at a police car, there is no peaceful intent there.

As for the girl in the photo, I hope she learned a valuable lesson. During a period of civil unrest listen to those who are attempting to restore order. If you wish to defy those orders you will suffer the consequences. Actions have consequences.

In times like this I have no problem if these things happened:

Looters should be shot on sight.
Anyone throwing a Molotov cocktail should be shot on sight.
Vandals should be shot on sight.
Assault on a peace officer should be met with equal force.
Arsons should be shot on sight.

The use of the National Guard in support of local police is paramount and if they need to be the major force in smaller towns or cities with a small police force is fine. The National Guard should have been utilized after the 3rd day of theses issues. It was obvious this wasn’t going to subside.

All these people destroying stuff are not the majority.



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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2020, 02:02:04 PM »

In all that long post, not once did you mention the 4 officers shot in St Louis. Another retired officer killed while working at a pawn shop.  A person throwing an incendiary device into a horse trailer attached to a pickup, severely burning the horses inside.
An occupied house, with a child inside, set on fire.  Then the roads to the house were blocked, causing a massive delay for the fire department.
And you are siding with a few people who got stung by some rubber bullets and had their whiddle eyes hurt by teargas?!?  Really?

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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2020, 02:09:22 PM »

And you are siding with a few people who got stung by some rubber bullets and had their whiddle eyes hurt by teargas?!?  Really?

No, read my message again: "I strongly disagree with such criminal acts and I want to see the criminals paying for the damage and I hope in due time some of them will have to face justice."

Pointing the abuse of force by the State is totally different from supporting (civil) criminals.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2020, 02:20:32 PM »

So if the police SUV is being attacked from the rear by molotov cocktails (use of deadly force with intent to kill), they should retreat. 

The second SUV moved up and the rioters failed to move out of its way.  Instead they tried to block its forward progress.  If you move to stand in front of a moving police vehicle with lights and siren, do you think you have the right to be able to left in peace.  The intent of the rioters were not to have a peaceful protest.  That is confirmed by the fire bombs used.  

Second, we only see what they want us to see, about 1 1/2 minutes of video.  Do a search and see if anyone was injured. Surely The Sun would have that information.  Was it one person, two, 5, 10, 15, 30? 

The intent of this video is not to inform, its meant to inflame, and discredit.  The protesters are the good guys is the narrative.  The police are obviously the bad guys.  And that is the evil part of some news sources we have today.  The intent is not to inform but to inflame.  The hope is to cause more hate. 
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2020, 02:21:53 PM »

Savago, you are wasting your time.  They won't care until it is happening to them.  
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2020, 02:24:42 PM »

Savago, you are wasting your time.  They won't care until it is happening to them.  

Agreed.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2020, 02:26:12 PM »

REALLY?, NO APPARENT REASON??
 the police were being attacked, and run over by protestors, and now have been shot at and actually shot.  it is a shame u are so blind.

Are we even talking about the same video? For reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v0dc44El5U

Watch it and have a look on it. Closely.

Let's look at the situation: you are heavily armed and have protestors in your front. You are inside of a 3 tons vehicle.

The rear is clear, what to do?

My basic training on defensive driving (yep, don't ask) tells that you choose the path of less resistance avoiding further escalation.

I guess they teach something else at the Police Academy.

What would *you* do in such situation? Would you drive over people or reverse?

Another thing: there must be a proportionality when scaling violence (101 on use of defensive force).

You say the 'cops were attacked', but by what? By water bottles and traffic cones. While inside a 3 tons vehicle.

Does it grant use of lethal force or grave bodily injury?

Nopes.

If you really think otherwise, this discussion is useless. We are operating with a different set of values and understanding of law.


Your super powers are strong.

You can tell the contents of all the containers being thrown at the vehicle. Acid, flammable?

You can see how many occupants there are in the first vehicle? If only one they would be looking at the main threat which is to the front and sides.

You saw how many people get run over?

I can't be bothered with more.


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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2020, 02:32:51 PM »

Savago, you are wasting your time.  They won't care until it is happening to them.  

It's not likely to happen to me.  Since I am not going to be out there looting and causing issues.
Protests are one thing, but if you are in the road, blocking traffic, it is illegal.
If this idiots want sympathy, it's in the dictionary between sh!t and syphilis.
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2020, 02:50:19 PM »

Finally: people are protesting against lack of accountability of Police and racially targeted violence. You got to be living under a rock to not see that those are legitimate claims.


You're being emotionally manipulated. You're smarter than that. Look at the actual facts and data.

https://research.msu.edu/the-truth-behind-racial-disparties-in-fatal-police-shootings/

For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed.

For every 10,000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed.

There is definitely a problem with militarized police in this nation, but race isn't the central pillar of that problem.

Sources should you care to fact check the above (And no, I haven't personally done so, but it's been out there for a while and no one's come forward with good info discrediting it.)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43?fbclid=IwAR0Wx8jIvTUuLSMwXVxpK9_n1I8KOPNneeCJpWOkEP_R-v92XcJ8AZBzLe8

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43?fbclid=IwAR3mWyAe5ETNnIlNJs5p1o5JNZ5ARBp4BwaN5haWZwvKdVVFG_8gjeSRPJU

https://t.co/fKlyO9Oa6S?amp=1&fbclid=IwAR2TO-930o6up0hOa5Le2EbpnaRkQxLylEG6M-wWA9RCgn9Y0gR0xqbYlwY

https://t.co/nXZ8a2jCaS?amp=1&fbclid=IwAR2kMkfi_fdyaG4euYgVpJDUGWNZXAnfsUpWah9y5FURDjjk0LjOpWLoUcM
Great information.  I'll add the study by the University of Washington that found white cops were less likely to pull the trigger when facing a black suspect than when they faced a white suspect.  The reason?  They are intensely aware of the repercussions they'd face, legal and otherwise, from the national publicity so many such shootings receive.

I'm also disturbed by the militarization of police forces.  Some of it may be necessitated by the increased hostility towards (and lack of respect for) police in recent decades.  But some of the police departments I'm familiar with have vehicles and arsenals Barney Fife never would have dreamed of.  And the abuses of processes like civil asset forfeiture are disgusting.
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2020, 02:50:51 PM »

How come you weren't shocked by the 5 police officers shot?  Or the 2 police officers run over by vehicles?  Or the 6 police officers beaten up?

I know I am.

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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2020, 02:54:41 PM »

How come you weren't shocked by the 5 police officers shot?  Or the 2 police officers run over by vehicles?  Or the 6 police officers beaten up?

I know I am.



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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2020, 02:55:56 PM »

In all that long post, not once did you mention the 4 officers shot in St Louis. Another retired officer killed while working at a pawn shop.  A person throwing an incendiary device into a horse trailer attached to a pickup, severely burning the horses inside.
An occupied house, with a child inside, set on fire.  Then the roads to the house were blocked, causing a massive delay for the fire department.
And you are siding with a few people who got stung by some rubber bullets and had their whiddle eyes hurt by teargas?!?  Really?



Sorry brother.  I was thinking the exact same thing by the end of the o.p. and rattled off the same thing.  You beat me too it but If anybody were to "steal" my thoughts, I am honored it is someone with as much reason and smarts as you!

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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2020, 02:59:22 PM »

WHAT SHOCKED ME THE MOST

How people destroy property and loot without any thought.

How some who really cared told the trouble makers to get lost.

How there was no respect for others rights.

How there was no fear of the police or any other authority that would put an end to this.

How no one that was rioting could accept that someone may retaliate.

How the rule of law had broken down.

How a mayor let his personal views stop him from upholding the rights of everyone and tell cops to stand down.

How the responses have been so one sided not seeing that riots in any form require to be ended.

The lack of acceptance the justice system for them worked and the cop was arrested, but it failed everyone else.

How someone can quote the first amendment and forget theft is a crime also.

The lack of understanding to see that the establishing of law and order is what sets this country apart from third world countries.

That when the rule of law fails that the military is last stop to establishing a law and order




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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2020, 02:59:41 PM »

In all that long post, not once did you mention the 4 officers shot in St Louis. Another retired officer killed while working at a pawn shop.  A person throwing an incendiary device into a horse trailer attached to a pickup, severely burning the horses inside.
An occupied house, with a child inside, set on fire.  Then the roads to the house were blocked, causing a massive delay for the fire department.
And you are siding with a few people who got stung by some rubber bullets and had their whiddle eyes hurt by teargas?!?  Really?



Cannot think of a better person to steal my thoughts!

Sorry brother.  I was thinking the exact same thing by the end of the o.p. and rattled off the same thing.  You beat me too it but If anybody were to "steal" my thoughts, I am honored it is someone with as much reason and smarts as you!

 coolsmiley


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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2020, 03:33:16 PM »

Mike I concur with your opinion

The 1st amendment affirms that the People shall have a right to peaceably assemble

It does not condone arson, beating up young girls, stealing or robbing or threatening police officers

Anyone so inclined to ignore the above is risking their own demise

I would piss on the grave of all of such persons if I had enough piss and enough time

Ghandi did not riot
MLK Jr did not riot or commit arson

These are the role models you SHOULD be asking the People rioting to emulate

This is about class or the lack thereof and the agenda of those who will do anything imaginable to bring down this country.  If you think it is about race you are sadly mistaken

The real fascist are antifa and those who would walk with them The organization must be beheaded
(I did not say kill the members thereof I said behead the organization)  History is a subject they do not understand or care about

We need national carry law and we need it now
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2020, 03:36:43 PM »

A policeman was shot in the head last night in Las Vegas outside a casino.  He is on life support and probably won't make it.
What is the justification for this?
Sick and disgusting.

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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2020, 03:38:44 PM »

REALLY?, NO APPARENT REASON??
 the police were being attacked, and run over by protestors, and now have been shot at and actually shot.  it is a shame u are so blind.

Are we even talking about the same video? For reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v0dc44El5U

Watch it and have a look on it. Closely.

Let's look at the situation: you are heavily armed and have protestors in your front. You are inside of a 3 tons vehicle.

The rear is clear, what to do?

My basic training on defensive driving (yep, don't ask) tells that you choose the path of less resistance avoiding further escalation.

I guess they teach something else at the Police Academy.

What would *you* do in such situation? Would you drive over people or reverse?

Another thing: there must be a proportionality when scaling violence (101 on use of defensive force).

You say the 'cops were attacked', but by what? By water bottles and traffic cones. While inside a 3 tons vehicle.

Does it grant use of lethal force or grave bodily injury?

Nopes.

If you really think otherwise, this discussion is useless. We are operating with a different set of values and understanding of law.


You really aren't as stupid as you are trying to make yourself out to be, are you?  

Have you ever had riot control training?  I have, and you are trained to put up with a lot before you use force on protesters.  You don't attack innocent protesters.  And fair warning is given several times to disperse before any force is used.  Rioters and looters are not peaceful protesters.
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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2020, 03:44:24 PM »

And you are siding with a few people who got stung by some rubber bullets and had their whiddle eyes hurt by teargas?!?  Really?

No, read my message again: "I strongly disagree with such criminal acts and I want to see the criminals paying for the damage ereand I hope in due time some of them will have to face justice."

Pointing the abuse of force by the State is totally different from supporting (civil) criminals.


Savago it seems you are struggling to differentiate between lawful protesters and lawless rioters. Once you throw stuff at police you are a lawless rioter. The cops should not back away, they should dominate and suppress. You live in a bubble of liberal smoke and mirrors. In the real world when you threaten a cop it’s ON and the cops need to win
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« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2020, 03:58:14 PM »

This is not about the clash between the lawless protestors and the police and law enforcement. It is a clash between the rioters, looters, and thugs and us. You protest with them at your peril. The police are defending us from lunacy and criminal behavior beyond the pale.

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« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2020, 04:15:41 PM »

What shocked me the most is just now when I turned on
the teevee news (NBC) and the story was about a "good
samaritan" in DC who had hidden a bunch of people from the
police who had rounded them up for arrest for violating the
curfew. I mean, I know it is the teevee news, but I didn't understand
just how far downhill they've gone. Lester Holt (the last one
of them I've been able to watch) and company were pitching
it as if the "good samaritan" was Miep Gies hiding
Anne Franks from the Nazis. I had to turn it off, but
I'm sure they know their audience and I don't
matter to them.

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« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2020, 04:46:25 PM »

   Don't start none won't be none. You even Think the L E Os enjoy baby sittin a bunch of brain dead idjits? Ah hellz bellz wastin my time here. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2020, 04:49:21 PM »

On a related side note, it's gonna be real interesting, in the next 14 days we're either gonna have a whole lot of sick and dying Democrats, or the Covid thing will be exposed as having been blown out of all proportion.....

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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2020, 05:03:26 PM »

How shocking would it be to know that a Dodge dealership in California was broken into and the the keys to every Hellcat along with all the other performance cars on the lot where stolen? We’re talking $100,000 cars, you would get more time for car theft than murder in a lot of places. I guess it’s just kids being kids.
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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2020, 05:11:38 PM »

REALLY?, NO APPARENT REASON??
 the police were being attacked, and run over by protestors, and now have been shot at and actually shot.  it is a shame u are so blind.

Are we even talking about the same video? For reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v0dc44El5U

Watch it and have a look on it. Closely.

Let's look at the situation: you are heavily armed and have protestors in your front. You are inside of a 3 tons vehicle.

The rear is clear, what to do?

My basic training on defensive driving (yep, don't ask) tells that you choose the path of less resistance avoiding further escalation.

I guess they teach something else at the Police Academy.

What would *you* do in such situation? Would you drive over people or reverse?

Another thing: there must be a proportionality when scaling violence (101 on use of defensive force).

You say the 'cops were attacked', but by what? By water bottles and traffic cones. While inside a 3 tons vehicle.

Does it grant use of lethal force or grave bodily injury?

Nopes.

If you really think otherwise, this discussion is useless. We are operating with a different set of values and understanding of law.


Do we know if the police were responding, or trying to respond, to a greater emergency? Maybe shots fired at other fellow officers? Other citizens? I would be surprised if they were just driving around looking for protestors to ram.

That is one thing I notice particularly in the age of social media, is posting of things out of context or in a context that is spun to deceive or obfuscate.
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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2020, 06:36:33 PM »

https://www.axios.com/police-buffalo-new-york-suv-plow-crowd-drive-4fe13719-0d0d-43d3-98ed-ab2f18a9b699.html

Law enforcement officers were targeted in several cities during tense standoffs overnight.

What's happening: A police officer was shot on Las Vegas Strip late Monday, per AP. No further details were immediately available. In St Louis, four police officers were struck by gunfire while standing near a line in after a peaceful demonstration, Police Chief John Hayden said early Tuesday.

    The officers were all taken to hospital with non-life threatening injuries following Monday's shooting. Hayden said a small group of people had thrown rocks and fireworks at police officers.
    In New York, a car ran over an officer in the Bronx early Tuesday, according to the New York Times, which reports the officer's condition as stable.
    Elsewhere in the state, an SUV in Buffalo plowed through a crowd of law enforcement officers Monday night, striking two officers who are now in stable condition at Erie Medical Center, AP notes.
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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2020, 06:41:49 PM »

https://www.axios.com/police-buffalo-new-york-suv-plow-crowd-drive-4fe13719-0d0d-43d3-98ed-ab2f18a9b699.html

Law enforcement officers were targeted in several cities during tense standoffs overnight.

What's happening: A police officer was shot on Las Vegas Strip late Monday, per AP. No further details were immediately available. In St Louis, four police officers were struck by gunfire while standing near a line in after a peaceful demonstration, Police Chief John Hayden said early Tuesday.

    The officers were all taken to hospital with non-life threatening injuries following Monday's shooting. Hayden said a small group of people had thrown rocks and fireworks at police officers.
    In New York, a car ran over an officer in the Bronx early Tuesday, according to the New York Times, which reports the officer's condition as stable.
    Elsewhere in the state, an SUV in Buffalo plowed through a crowd of law enforcement officers Monday night, striking two officers who are now in stable condition at Erie Medical Center, AP notes.

where the hell is the media.
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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2020, 06:52:13 PM »

Savago (and anyone else), I invite you to suit up and go forth with a legion of cops against the criminal wrongdoers.  Be as peaceful as you can, for as long as you can.  Then do your job. 

Violent rioting, looting, burning, and assaulting, is not protected first amendment speech.

When policeman go out to restore order, they are not suppressing free speech.  They are enforcing the law.

That the wrongdoers haven't been suppressed with live aimed rifle fire, they're getting off (too) easy.
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« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2020, 07:08:10 PM »



We need national carry law and we need it now


X 1000 I carry every day. If I travel to a state that don’t recognize my permit F them. I still do.
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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2020, 07:20:33 PM »

I'm aghast of seeing this image. For snuggles sake, could be my daughter coming back from buying groceries.
 Cry



probably a protester hit her.
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