Mods....would it be possible to..........

[BF]

..........split the general boards into two different general boards?   

Perhaps one general motorcycle board (the one we have now).....all brands, anything motorcycle related, pics of bikes, new member welcomings, ride reports, ride pics, etc where that kind of stuff would be allowed and welcomed.

And another general board where any kind of politcal threads, President bashing, union bashing, gay bashing, teacher bashing, calling people lib-tards, religious rantings, holistic health stuff, anti-immigrantion, fat people threads, what to get the wife for christmas threads, pissing contest threads, joke telling thread, etc, where that kind of stuff would be not only allowed, but welcomed also?  An over 21 board if you will. 

As long as people know what's likely to be in those kind of threads and that feelings not only might, but would mostly be hurt before entering, then it shouldn't be a problem. 

I'm not adverse to participating in such threads, but alot of folks are and I believe that we've lost several good folks because of it.  I know we lost at least one good poster......Walküre.  He posted that he's done specifically because of it.  I valued alot of his posts, especially on the tech board, but we've now lost his technical inputs and advice which was a great service especially to the newer members.

I think that at least there are a few others that feel the same way and would like to see a second general board to include those kinds of threads. 

How 'bout it mods?
 

[Chrome]

Hey BF Great idea but what about a third board devoted to just Valkyries? You know just Valkyries.
Adrian

[BF]

Hey BF Great idea but what about a third board devoted to just Valkyries? You know just Valkyries.
Adrian

I'd think that would be possible....especally on a Valkyrie board.      But then again, I'm pretty sure that Valks are motorcycles too and would be welcomed and included in the general motorcycle board.   

[MacDragon]

I agree... I would like a "Valkyrie only" - "MC only" and/or an "Off Topic" Board for those with reason to add talk about "off topic" kind of things... myself included.   I've been on for just a year and 1/2... but learned quick to just filter out the stuff that  I have no use for.   A line of demarkation would be nice to just discuss what we are ultimately here for.  My .02 and worth every penny.

[Jess Tolbirt]

get out the popcorn, here we go again!!

[Full_Throttle]

..........split the general boards into two different general boards?   

Perhaps one general motorcycle board (the one we have now).....all brands, anything motorcycle related, pics of bikes, new member welcomings, ride reports, ride pics, etc where that kind of stuff would be allowed and welcomed.

And another general board where any kind of politcal threads, President bashing, union bashing, gay bashing, teacher bashing, calling people lib-tards, religious rantings, holistic health stuff, anti-immigrantion, fat people threads, what to get the wife for christmas threads, pissing contest threads, joke telling thread, etc, where that kind of stuff would be not only allowed, but welcomed also?  An over 21 board if you will. 

As long as people know what's likely to be in those kind of threads and that feelings not only might, but would mostly be hurt before entering, then it shouldn't be a problem. 

I'm not adverse to participating in such threads, but alot of folks are and I believe that we've lost several good folks because of it.  I know we lost at least one good poster......Walküre.  He posted that he's done specifically because of it.  I valued alot of his posts, especially on the tech board, but we've now lost his technical inputs and advice which was a great service especially to the newer members.

I think that at least there are a few others that feel the same way and would like to see a second general board to include those kinds of threads. 

How 'bout it mods?
 

+1

[doubletee]

I use an even simpler solution:  If I believe the contents of the subject line indicates a subject that's likely to annoy me or hurt my feelings, I don't open it. And, on those occassions when the subject line fools me or is ambiguous, and I find upon opening it I don't like the contents, I close it immediately.       

[judd]

I use an even simpler solution:  If I believe the contents of the subject line indicates a subject that's likely to annoy me or hurt my feelings, I don't open it. And, on those occassions when the subject line fools me or is ambiguous, and I find upon opening it I don't like the contents, I close it immediately.      

+1   I like everything right here in one place ............

Perhaps one general motorcycle board (the one we have now).....all brands, anything motorcycle related, pics of bikes, new member welcomings, ride reports, ride pics, etc where that kind of stuff would be allowed and welcomed.

All warm and Fuzzy..............Personally, I feel if this were done, it would be quite boring with few posts............That stuff is all here anyway, I don't see the need to filter it for a few thin skinned posters.    

And another general board where any kind of politcal threads, President bashing, union bashing, gay bashing, teacher bashing, calling people lib-tards, religious rantings, holistic health stuff, anti-immigrantion, fat people threads, what to get the wife for christmas threads, pissing contest threads, joke telling thread, etc, where that kind of stuff would be not only allowed, but welcomed also?  An over 21 board if you will.  

Then some splinter group or special interest person will want to split this board up as well, where does it end ?  

It's called the General Board ...........deal with it !!!  

[bscrive]

I think it should be left as is.  

Trying to change things to please others is the same thing as political correctness.  If people don't like what is being written, close the thread and move on.  

I work for the federal gov't in Canada and they have decreed that no longer will Christmas decoration be allowed in public areas because it may offend some people.  I don't give a crap, this country was founded on christian beliefs and even though I don't celebrate Christmas nor do I believe in god I do not think that the people they are changing for give a crap that we celebrate Christmas and put up decorations.  The gov't is just kissing their butt for votes.

People, quit making decisions to please others.  If they don't like it, too bad, go some where else.

Rant over...back to work.

[Jess Tolbirt]

double tree and Judd
+1 here

[Kaiser]

It's called the General Board ...........deal with it !!! 

It is also called the VRCC - deal with it!  (Hint: the "V" stands for "Valkyrie" which is mentioned less and less in the General board).

BF - could not agree with you more.  Actually, I've been pondering posting a similar thread for days.  Unfortunately, your idea has been shot down in the past by the Mods.

I propose a different solution that I call "Dedicated Hijacking".  I propose we take back the board.  Every time somebody posts something in a category you mentioned above, as many of us as possible hijack the thread by talking about Valks, posting pictures of our bikes, etc.  Basically don't entertain all the stuff that most of don't want to see but are told to put up with (aka "just don't read it").

(I'm done addressing you specifically, BF - the rest is for the general VRCC community)

Imagine you are sitting in a beautiful park, talking with some of your good friends about bikes.  Then, some loud mouth walks up and starts spouting garbage and other things you have no interest in hearing about.  Whaddya gonna do?  If you follow the prevailing wisdom found here, you and your buddies should get up and leave.

I call BS.  I don't know about you guys, but me and my friends would not tolerate it.  We would take action to regain what we were previously enjoying before the undesired interruption.  There are a LOT of macho-man posts on here about what all you men of action would do if such-and-such a situation arouse.  Fine.  I am calling you out.  Be a man of action and take back the General Board.

[Oss]

where would I post the auditions?

I mean would I really need to have every gal sitting astride a Valkyrie?

No more bike races, on the beach sports?  billiard contests?

oh the humanity of it all

Dont worry I aint goin nowheres whatever adm does is ok with me as long
as we still have this club

Pic is what I want for christmas, kinda different from what my buddy Gman posted yesterday
but his gal was sorta cute too

[judd]

Kaiser said

(Hint: the "V" stands for "Valkyrie" which is mentioned less and less in the General board).

Exactly why it would be Boring, if split.  I've been here more than 10 years now and all that can be said about a Valkyrie has already been said, it's just being repeated now. Without the other banter the board would soon die off................The Valkyrie as we all know is not produced anymore.  Fewer people post simply because they have sold and moved on.  

[ptgb]

It is also called the VRCC - deal with it!  (Hint: the "V" stands for "Valkyrie" which is mentioned less and less in the General board)...

I understand that it is a "Valkyrie" board, but let's be honest... how much more can be said? I mean, do you know anyone that talks about one thing and one thing only when you are around them? That would get annoying pretty fast. Now, before you say, this is Valkyrie board so we should only talk about all that is Valkyrie, have your conversations about other stuff somewhere else; think about this way... This board brought together many divergent people who share a common interest; but, it isn't their only interest... thus we start to talk about other stuff.

Friendships, kinships, and yes, even rivalries have been formed. Like any other friendship, kinship, or rivalry, it evolves, ebbs and flows over time. I will continue to post and respond to stuff about Valkyries when I have something to say involving them (trips, tech stuff, and whatever else I can come up with), but I will talk about "non-Valk" stuff as well when it moves me.

Now as far as splitting to an "off topic board", I can only opine that I experienced it on another board and didn't, and still don't like it.

I am on a Honda Shadow board from way back... they were motorcycles and all that is motorcycles only for a long time. The mods there were much more militant than they are here; if you posted something that had nothing to do with motorcycles or drifted the topic off of motorcycles, they chopped your post or the whole thread post-haste. I thought they were much too stringent. Well then they bowed to pressure and put in an off-topic board. The worst thing they could of done, because they then relaxed the moderating so much that the off-topic became a cesspool of idiots, deviants, and general ne'er-do-wells just posting to cause havoc with little oversight. This attitude and animosity leaked over to their motorcycle only threads as well. Many long-time members left the board because of the stupidity.

I guess my point here is that "moderation" can have a few different meanings when it comes to the way boards like this are handled. I find that there is a pretty good balance here on the VRCC and tweaking it is short-sighted and reactionary. Plus, I mean this pretty much happens every winter around here... come April it should get back to more Valkyrie/motorcycle related postings.

[judd]

Kaiser said

Imagine you are sitting in a beautiful park, talking with some of your good friends about bikes.  Then, some loud mouth walks up and starts spouting garbage and other things you have no interest in hearing about.  Whaddya gonna do?  If you follow the prevailing wisdom found here, you and your buddies should get up and leave.

SO............What you are saying is that the beautiful Park is only for you and like minded people and that no one else should be allowed in with any other views or topics..............  

[DarkMeister]

I'll vote for leaving it as is and I call BS on friends on a park bench being rudely interrupted. The bench is a thread and if you're in a thread about, say, paint-scheme ideas for Valks, I just don't see someome piping up about Bush, Obama or Islam. Ride reports and pictorials have no politics in them and, should one show up it's shut down by others in the thread.
Look at the Tech board, the bread and butter of this forum. Notice how any and all knives are pulled in, even when there may be disagreement about approaches to solutions.
There is a healthy mix of topics in General. If some bother me or don't interest me, I'm a click away from the next one. It's easier than packing up my toys and leaving in a huff.

[Kaiser]

Imagine you are sitting in a beautiful park, talking with some of your good friends about bikes.  Then, some loud mouth walks up and starts spouting garbage and other things you have no interest in hearing about.  Whaddya gonna do?  If you follow the prevailing wisdom found here, you and your buddies should get up and leave.

SO............What you are saying is that the beautiful Park is only for you and like minded people and that no one else should be allowed in with any other views or topics..............  

No.  And I suppose I coulda come up with a better analogy.  My bad.

How do you think (or you know) other non-motorcycle forums would react if you started posting pics and stories about your Valk on their boards?  Most of the other forums I've participated in have a dedicated "Off Topic" area where such posts would be allowed and appreciated.  Venture outside of that area, though, and you'd probably get your hand slapped.

[BF]

where would I post the auditions?

You'd post 'em in the everything else general board......where you'd be strongly encouraged to post more auditions.  The more auditions the better.   

[MacDragon]

We need an "Auditions Board" 

[grandpaweaver]

I'm new here but I like it the way it is.

BTW OSS nice rack

[R J]

I use an even simpler solution:  If I believe the contents of the subject line indicates a subject that's likely to annoy me or hurt my feelings, I don't open it. And, on those occassions when the subject line fools me or is ambiguous, and I find upon opening it I don't like the contents, I close it immediately.      

+1   I like everything right here in one place ............

Perhaps one general motorcycle board (the one we have now).....all brands, anything motorcycle related, pics of bikes, new member welcomings, ride reports, ride pics, etc where that kind of stuff would be allowed and welcomed.

All warm and Fuzzy..............Personally, I feel if this were done, it would be quite boring with few posts............That stuff is all here anyway, I don't see the need to filter it for a few thin skinned posters.    

And another general board where any kind of politcal threads, President bashing, union bashing, gay bashing, teacher bashing, calling people lib-tards, religious rantings, holistic health stuff, anti-immigrantion, fat people threads, what to get the wife for christmas threads, pissing contest threads, joke telling thread, etc, where that kind of stuff would be not only allowed, but welcomed also?  An over 21 board if you will.  

Then some splinter group or special interest person will want to split this board up as well, where does it end ?  

It's called the General Board ...........deal with it !!!  

I do believe Judd hit  it on the head.    Leave it like it is.   I been around here since day 3 of the club forming.    I learned how to filter and open close and so forth.   Also ignore some posters entirely.

My $.01 worth.

[DarkMeister]

BTW OSS nice rack

 
 

[art]

..........split the general boards into two different general boards?   

Perhaps one general motorcycle board (the one we have now).....all brands, anything motorcycle related, pics of bikes, new member welcomings, ride reports, ride pics, etc where that kind of stuff would be allowed and welcomed.

And another general board where any kind of politcal threads, President bashing, union bashing, gay bashing, teacher bashing, calling people lib-tards, religious rantings, holistic health stuff, anti-immigrantion, fat people threads, what to get the wife for christmas threads, pissing contest threads, joke telling thread, etc, where that kind of stuff would be not only allowed, but welcomed also?  An over 21 board if you will. 

As long as people know what's likely to be in those kind of threads and that feelings not only might, but would mostly be hurt before entering, then it shouldn't be a problem. 

I'm not adverse to participating in such threads, but alot of folks are and I believe that we've lost several good folks because of it.  I know we lost at least one good poster......Walküre.  He posted that he's done specifically because of it.  I valued alot of his posts, especially on the tech board, but we've now lost his technical inputs and advice which was a great service especially to the newer members.

I think that at least there are a few others that feel the same way and would like to see a second general board to include those kinds of threads. 

How 'bout it mods?
 

I agree .I've been thinking along that line for quite awile.A board for m/c related stuff an a seperate one for other subjects like you described

[olddog1946]

MY vote is for AS IS !!!!!
If it's political or some such nonsense I don't open it..not a big deal, some of the off the wall posts have been quite entertaining..even some of the rants and raves...Besides, no one lives close enough to me to come whip my butt...and the last fight I was in I won by a 100 yards..

[BF]

Yep, some people don't see a problem and would just like to see it the way it is.  I'm fine with that, however, I'm betting that there are more than a few that don't like it the way it is and are alienated by some of the threads and postings in the general board.  

If it can be fixed to as to not piss everybody off, then why not split the general board into two sections?

The Valk is an out-of-production bike.  I'd think that the membership would want to welcome and befriend all comers to the board instead of running some of them off with off-color or possibly offensive threads.  There should be a place for those kind of threads I'd think.  

[bscrive]

"The Valk is an out-of-production bike.  I'd think that the membership would want to welcome and befriend all comers to the board instead of running some of them off with off-color or possibly offensive threads.  There should be a place for those kind of threads I'd think."

I fail to see how that will help, I see it as only 'ghetto-ising' some posts. 

[Clark]

 

[Dogg]

Here's a thought...the guys that run this board, own this board. Your vote doesn't count. There is no democracy here. The boards are what they are and it's easier to just pass by a thread than bitch about it.

Kudos to the admin team for not paying attention to this type of thread.......again.....lol

[Willow]

Well, here's the sort of short answer.

We believe that splitting into two General boards will result in a subsequent request to split into four boards, then eight, then sixteen. 

I personally don't have the mental capacity to deal with monitoring sixteen boards, so we've chosen not to start down that slope.

I deeply regret that some who once posted and otherwise participated in our conversations no longer do.  I tend to take with a grain (or more) of salt why people say they left the community.

I truly would like to see a reduction in the political bickering, but I'm unwilling to apply draconian (or is that more draconian) measures to make it go away.

We have provided our members with two aggressive and one not so aggressive means of avoiding undesirable verbiage.  The aggressive measures are the ignore feature and the "Report to Moderator" button.  The not so aggressive means is the ability to simply pass over material one finds offensive.  Remember that if you take the time and effort to contend with opinions that offend you, you are in fact moving them to the top of the list and prolonging their lives.

I honestly wish there were some way to please all the people all the time, but I haven't found it.

My view of the General board is that it's a little like a social gathering at one of our rallies.  We all came to the rally because of our Valkyries, or at least our interest in Valkyries, but once there we talk among ourselves not only of Valkyries but also of other topics of which we share some interest.  Moving through the crowd, we have the option of participating in many conversations, more so in this electronic gathering than in a physical setting.  Sometimes we just listen; sometimes we offer an opinion.  Sometimes someone says something really stupid and we choose to walk away.  Sometimes we get the idea we can rearrange the thinking of the one who said something stupid or that we can at least expose his stupidity to the others listening.  Now and then after one of those failed attempts we might storm out of the party, or just walk away shaking our heads.  Once in a while someone becomes loud enough and verbose enough to interfere with other's ability to effectively join in.  Sometimes conversations get out of hand and we need to ask the participants to cease.  On very rare occasions we have to ask someone to leave.

It seems to work for a lot of people.  It also seems to be an irritant to almost all the people at some time or another.

I just wish I had a better grasp of how to keep all the people happy for a short while.           

[BF]

Thank you for responding Willow....and such a lengthy response at that.   

As I stated, the "political bickering" doesn't bother me as I'm apt to jump in with both feet in one of those threads, but I know that it has and does bother other folks as they've stated so. 

When I asked the question, I hadn't considered the additional work load that an additional board would require from you and the other mods.....my bad.  My concern was, is, and remains for the folks that we may lose and have lost because of some of that "political bickering". 

I don't have any answers either and was just asking the question, but I do appreciate your consideration and your response. 

btw.....where the heck is that ignore button? 

[BF]

Kudos to the admin team for not paying attention to this type of thread.......again.....lol

I guess you were wrong 'bout that. 

[Skinhead]

Can we PLEASE at least have an Advil only board?

[The Anvil]

Can we PLEASE at least have an Advil only board?

Dude, can you imagine the ego I'd develop if I got my own forum? I'd be insufferable!

[Clark]

Can we PLEASE at least have an Advil only board?

Dude, can you imagine the ego I'd develop if I got my own forum? I'd be insufferable!

HEY NUMBNUTS.. HE SAID ADVIL NOT ANVIL.. ITS NOT ALLLL ABOUT YOU ALLLL THE TIME

[Serk]

Can we PLEASE at least have an Advil only board?

vBulletin has a WONDERFUL feature known as "Putting someone in Coventry". I admin a vBulletin forum, and I've only done it a VERY small number of times, but it's GREAT. What it does is it puts it where EVERYONE ignores everything the person in Coventry posts, but the person in Coventry isn't told this, they think that everyone is really just ignoring everything they say, whereas in reality no one (But us admins) are seeing what they're saying at ALL...

[The Anvil]

Can we PLEASE at least have an Advil only board?

vBulletin has a WONDERFUL feature known as "Putting someone in Coventry". I admin a vBulletin forum, and I've only done it a VERY small number of times, but it's GREAT. What it does is it puts it where EVERYONE ignores everything the person in Coventry posts, but the person in Coventry isn't told this, they think that everyone is really just ignoring everything they say, whereas in reality no one (But us admins) are seeing what they're saying at ALL...

I'd catch on quick. I'm impossible to ignore in that fashion. Like a car wreck.

[Scott in Ok]

btw.....where the heck is that ignore button? 

Courtesy of Serk: http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,31292.0.html

-Scott

[BF]

btw.....where the heck is that ignore button? 

Courtesy of Serk: http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,31292.0.html

-Scott

Thanks.  I bookmarked it. 

[RoadKill]

Does the ignore feature work if they start a new subject ?   It must, I gave every one a motorcycle only thread and none of the whiners even posted in a motorcycle thread... so I suppose all we would hear is crickets in a whole motorcycle only forum......HELLO ? HELLLLLOOOOO....Anyone see thi...Damn IGNORE FEATURE  !!                  

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

If you want to kill this board and this club that might be a good way to do it. We have a Valkyrie only board right now. It's the Tech Board. I go there for a few minutes once or twice a week. But not very often because it's boring as hell when your not having a tech problem.

The general board is for everything else. That's simple and easy to understand. I'm a member of many boards, both motorcycle, firearms and hunting related. Most of them are so divided up into little used segments that it is too time consuming and boring to bother with them.

I know many of you are able to access this board at work and so, perhaps, have time to look through a bunch of little compartments to find the niche that interests you while protecting yourself from other info which might disturb you. I'm not one of those, I still work with my hands more than with a keyboard, I come home dirty, tired, and frequently with very little time and patience. And when I have very little time this is the only board I go to because it's not separated into a bunch of little cliques.

Myself, I love this board and this club, but I don't have the patience or time to sort through that kind of crap. Nor will I do so.

This discussion comes up every year or two whenever someone thinks that the opinion of someone they don't agree with is getting too much air play. I can just imagine someone staring at a post, knowing it's going to piss them off and then reading it anyway and then complaining about it. WTH?

I'm capable of deciding for myself what posts to read, I don't need protected from anyone's posts, I don't need protected from too much information and I don't need my delicate sensibilities protected from someone with a different perspective. And, as you can see, I don't have a lot of patience for those who do need this kind of protection.

I'll never quit this board because I read a post I didn't like and could have skipped. If someone else does then then let em go back to their knitting board.