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Starting at $30,000  I've been a fan, but I wish them luck at that price.
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Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 05:03:55 PM » |
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One of my ridin' bud's ( Wimp ) has a buddy with a Screamin Eagle he rode with us last Nov. down to The Land Between The Lakes. We stopped for lunch and he told me he wrote a check for $45,000 for the bike I pretty much called him stupid cause truth be told the bike is not really that nice  He then said to me " Well Joe I did get the extended warranty " . If his bike is worth $45,000 then that one should bring $30,000 easy |
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 I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2012, 06:49:32 PM » |
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I saw a Screamin Eagle Ultra (or was it Electra?) Glide and the sticker was around $35,000. Granted it was a nice bike...the paint was beautiful and the sound system was killer (it practically shook the bike on the side stand like it was running!). But I could build a pretty nice custom for $35,000.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 06:54:03 PM » |
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A good used Valkyrie A good used ST1300 AND over $10K for gas, tires and motel rooms  . |
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Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 06:57:39 PM » |
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A good used Valkyrie A good used ST1300 AND over $10K for gas, tires and motel rooms . Road trip  |
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T-Bird
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2012, 12:37:02 PM » |
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I would bet it rides like a rocket on rails. I will never know because I'm not spending that kind of money on a bike that looks like you couldn't stand to ride more than 150 miles. |
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bigguy
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2012, 12:39:05 PM » |
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I would bet it rides like a rocket on rails. I will never know because I'm not spending that kind of money on a bike that looks like you couldn't stand to ride more than 150 miles. Couldn't-a said it better myself. All other features of the bike just get lost in the price for me. |
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Westernbiker
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2012, 12:51:10 PM » |
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All the engineering and all the thought, new ideas and planning and so on and so fourth, what happened? CHAIN DRIVE? WTH? How come not a shaft? |
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2012, 12:54:53 PM » |
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I saw a Screamin Eagle Ultra (or was it Electra?) Glide and the sticker was around $35,000. Granted it was a nice bike...the paint was beautiful and the sound system was killer (it practically shook the bike on the side stand like it was running!). But I could build a pretty nice custom for $35,000.
I didn't think a Harley needed a sound system to shake the bike.....the shakin' is built in!!  |
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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2012, 12:55:42 PM » |
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All the engineering and all the thought, new ideas and planning and so on and so fourth, what happened? CHAIN DRIVE? WTH? How come not a shaft? Because shafts suck. For a roadgoing bike I'd rather have a chain. Shaft would be the last thing I'd ever pick. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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The Anvil
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2012, 12:58:26 PM » |
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I would bet it rides like a rocket on rails. I will never know because I'm not spending that kind of money on a bike that looks like you couldn't stand to ride more than 150 miles. Actually I find that riding position (relaxed sport/sport tourer) to be extremely comfortable for long days. Lots of people do actually. You'll see more Iron Butters on those then you will on laid out cruisers. That said, 30k IS way too much money. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2012, 01:52:57 PM » |
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No Worries Here, Cause I'm keepin the Valkyrie and staying Happy! too much coin when you have one of these!  |
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2012, 01:59:40 PM » |
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All the engineering and all the thought, new ideas and planning and so on and so fourth, what happened? CHAIN DRIVE? WTH? How come not a shaft? They like chains when performance counts. -Mike |
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2012, 02:30:02 PM » |
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" Because shafts suck. "  and you are here ... why ?  |
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The Anvil
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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2012, 02:39:33 PM » |
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" Because shafts suck. " and you are here ... why ? I love my Valk but I'd dump the shaft in a heartbeat. Maybe not for a chain but for a belt? Oh yeah. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2012, 05:28:47 PM » |
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" Because shafts suck. " and you are here ... why ? I love my Valk but I'd dump the shaft in a heartbeat. Maybe not for a chain but for a belt? Oh yeah. belts have come a long way |
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Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2012, 05:37:30 PM » |
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$19,500 would buy ( 2 ) very nice Interstate's ....All you would ever need for the next 30 years  And you would'nt look like every other bike on the road. |
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2012, 05:48:32 PM » |
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$19,500 would buy ( 2 ) very nice Interstate's ....All you would ever need for the next 30 years And you would'nt look like every other bike on the road. thats true Joe,,,but you would look like every other valkyrie on the road,,Just ribbin ya!!! |
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2012, 05:55:22 PM » |
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if you got the cash i guess buying anything you want's ok. i for one don't want to be a slave to anything that's going to kill my cash flow. my old valk makes me happy, not looking to replace it anytime soon.
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2012, 06:02:34 PM » |
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I notice they list torque, but somehow neglected to list the horsepower... No matter, we can calculate the horsepower if we know the torque and RPM... Engine Torque: 100 ft-lb (135 Nm)
Engine Torque (rpm): 3,250 And horsepower = RPM * Torque / 5252 so, plug in our values, and..... X = 3250 * 100 / 5252 Solve for X, and the horsepower is 61.88... And yes, granted this is assuming that the peak horsepower is generated at peak torque, but it's generally pretty close. So for $20,000 you get a vehicle that puts out..... 62 horsepower... To each their own, but I think I'll be keeping my Valk. Might even pick up a spare one... |
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Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
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« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2012, 06:03:43 PM » |
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$19,500 would buy ( 2 ) very nice Interstate's ....All you would ever need for the next 30 years And you would'nt look like every other bike on the road. thats true Joe,,,but you would look like every other valkyrie on the road,,Just ribbin ya!!! You don't see that many of them thats why they are so cool ....Timeless style |
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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2012, 06:13:04 PM » |
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I notice they list torque, but somehow neglected to list the horsepower... No matter, we can calculate the horsepower if we know the torque and RPM... Engine Torque: 100 ft-lb (135 Nm)
Engine Torque (rpm): 3,250 And horsepower = RPM * Torque / 5252 so, plug in our values, and..... X = 3250 * 100 / 5252 Solve for X, and the horsepower is 61.88... And yes, granted this is assuming that the peak horsepower is generated at peak torque, but it's generally pretty close. So for $20,000 you get a vehicle that puts out..... 62 horsepower... To each their own, but I think I'll be keeping my Valk. Might even pick up a spare one... Because H-D doesn't list HP. But you're missing the more important thing than peak numbers with HD. It's not about that. It's about the dyno curve and how the power feels. Besides which, horsepower is something of a mathematical illusion and actually not all that relevant to anything with a solid connection to the road. Torque is real and is what makes you move. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2012, 06:16:37 PM » |
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Neither Harley I have could be mistaken for anyones but mine.
My bike has about 80 at the motor and close to 72 at the rear wheel, but 100lbs of T O R Q U E.
But Horses ain't the only thing I like about them.
Parts are readily accesible.
One day service anywhere in America.
Travels well on a trailer.LOL
Dealer Network is unbeatable.
I look cool on it, and I like ribbin you guys about them the best.
LMAO
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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2012, 06:23:27 PM » |
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anvil, i appreciate your point about the relevance of the curve but hp is a real term, it's not a mathematical illusion . there is a well defined mathematical linkange between hp and torque. |
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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2012, 06:28:20 PM » |
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Horsepower and torque both matter...
If torque was the be all end all, a single man with a very long pole attached to a pivot point could generate nearly unlimited torque (Look at the numbers you can generate with a simple torque wrench)
Torque is power, which is important, but horsepower is work over time, which is also important... Neither is much use without the other, but they're both important...
And yes, I know Harley's aren't about power (Horse or otherwise) and all about branding, and as I said, to each their own... But ya' gotta admit horsepower wise they're pretty pitiful, especially for the premium price they charge...
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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2012, 06:30:42 PM » |
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anvil, i appreciate your point about the relevance of the curve but hp is a real term, it's not a mathematical illusion . there is a well defined mathematical linkange between hp and torque. I know, but my point is that horsepower is a mathematical equation of work done over time. It's still somewhat illusory because time is relative. Torque is what gets a big, heavy bike off the line and as such, it's more important for the machines we ride. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2012, 06:32:41 PM » |
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i think that you're right on suggesting that folks should look at more than one parameter when assessing performance. |
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« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2012, 06:36:05 PM » |
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i think that you're right on suggesting that folks should look at more than one parameter when assessing performance. Exactly, which is why I find it so amusing that Harley thumps their chest about the torque numbers, but neglect to list any other performance numbers... Anyway, now that BigAl's managed to hijack yet another thread into Harley vs. the Rest of the world, we can get back to the crazy cool, but too expensive bike that this was originally about...  |
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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2012, 06:36:33 PM » |
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Yellow One,Joe should like this one. But this thread would have went no where without a few Harley Haters.
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« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2012, 06:37:14 PM » |
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But ya' gotta admit horsepower wise they're pretty pitiful, especially for the premium price they charge... No I don't have to admit that. In some ways the H-D engine (despite the HP deficit) is superior to the Valk engine. Each has it's strengths, for instance the Valk likes to rev and keeps making power when that big twin has long tailed off. But if that's not the kind of riding you do then you might not care, you might prefer the broader, flatter curve of the H-D engine. And the engine is not the only thing you're paying for in a bike. H-D chrome is head and shoulders above anything coming out of Japan and chrome is important on these bikes. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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Chrome really improves the performance!! |
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« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2012, 07:57:44 AM » |
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Chrome really improves the performance!! We all know it's not about flat out performance with these bikes (not even the Valk). If it were you'd be riding something altogether different. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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Westernbiker
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« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2012, 09:07:06 AM » |
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All the engineering and all the thought, new ideas and planning and so on and so fourth, what happened? CHAIN DRIVE? WTH? How come not a shaft? Because shafts suck. For a roadgoing bike I'd rather have a chain. Shaft would be the last thing I'd ever pick. That's your personel opinion, and you know what they say about opinions! |
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« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2012, 02:11:53 PM » |
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« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2012, 02:17:11 PM » |
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" Maybe not for a chain but for a belt? Oh yeah. " on a valkyrie ? thats just plain silly ...... Okay I'll bite; why is it silly? Or were you being tongue-in-cheek? |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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bigguy
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« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2012, 03:45:42 PM » |
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Sorry to High Jack this Hardley bashing thread to talk about Motus bikes, but I found at least one reviewer who thinks those prices are in line. Click for NY Times Wheels blog
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« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2012, 04:33:56 PM » |
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One of my ridin' bud's ( Wimp ) has a buddy with a Screamin Eagle he rode with us last Nov. down to The Land Between The Lakes. We stopped for lunch and he told me he wrote a check for $45,000 for the bike I pretty much called him stupid cause truth be told the bike is not really that nice He then said to me " Well Joe I did get the extended warranty " . If his bike is worth $45,000 then that one should bring $30,000 easy This is the thing that started the Harley Rattle. Not me Serk. I just piled on. |
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