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He stopped said action, the kid up and died, tragic at best. Still legal.
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Which is exactly what I told you would happen the first time someone got trigger happy. You're welcome. Bullshit. It has little if anything to do with the so called, "stand your ground" law and everything to do with the permissible use of deadly force under Florida law. If for no other reason, according to Zimmerman, he WAS retreating when the teen attacked him... and if such were the case before the so called, "stand your ground" law was passed, he still could have made the case that he was attacked first and was in fear of seriously bodily harm, deadly force would have been legal under the Florida law. I've seen nothing from the police that refers to the "stand your ground" law... from what I've read, they decided not to arrest him because at the time, it appeared that he had acted in self defense based on what they observed. Without question, it's a tragedy for a young man to have lost his life... From what is being reported, it appears that without question, by continuing to pursue the young man even after having been told not to, Zimmerman acted at the very least, rashly and stupidly; and without question, the case must be completely examined to determine if Zimmerman acted lawfully. With that said, the race whores like Sharpton never miss an opportunity to scream "RACIST!" and the leftists never miss an opportunity to scream for more gun control... whether or not either has any real relevance to a particular case. |
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Which is exactly what I told you would happen the first time someone got trigger happy. You're welcome. Bullshit. No, it is in fact exactly what I predicted. Oh, Mr. Zimmerman says he was retreating? Well a guy facing manslaughter charges would never lie about something like that, right? |
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the radio news has subtlety moved that aspect to the front.
Which is exactly what I told you would happen the first time someone got trigger happy. You're welcome. Bullshit. No, it is in fact exactly what I predicted. Oh, Mr. Zimmerman says he was retreating? Well a guy facing manslaughter charges would never lie about something like that, right? Well of course he's lying... how could a guy with the last name Zimmerman possibly be telling the truth about shooting a black man in self defense? Oh wait... there seems to be an eye witness... "An eyewitness to the incident told police Martin was beating Zimmerman before he shot him.
Zimmerman had called 911 to report the suspicious activities of a youth in his neighborhood, telling the dispatcher that he was following Martin.
On the recording of another 911 call, repeated cries of “help” can be heard before the gunshot.
The witness, identified only as John, says those cries were made by Zimmerman who was on the ground being beaten by Martin.
“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help … and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.
Martin was wearing a gray hoodie, while Zimmerman was wearing red.
“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said."Of course, the eye witness is probably lying too... just one cracker trying to protect another. Just out of curiosity, if the kid who was shot had been white, do you think it would have gotten more then 5 minutes of media attention? No it wouldn't have... but of course you'll claim that if the kid had been white Zimmerman wouldn't have shot him in the first place. I'll say it again.... Zimmerman at the very least was foolish for having initiated the encounter in the first place... but the rush to label the guy a racist and liar before the full investigation is complete, is just as foolish... and in the case of politicians and race whores, dishonest and ill intentioned. |
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The shooter messed up. By following the victim when told not to then shooting him was just wrong. I am a pro gun person, shoot, reload, ccw, but this guy just did wrong. This is the sort of action that the anti gun people just love to see. This is just one more nail in the coffin of the 2nd amendment.
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« Reply #98 on: March 25, 2012, 04:39:04 PM » |
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The shooter messed up. By following the victim when told not to then shooting him was just wrong. I am a pro gun person, shoot, reload, ccw, but this guy just did wrong. This is the sort of action that the anti gun people just love to see. This is just one more nail in the coffin of the 2nd amendment.
Listen to the 911 recording I posted. When he was told not to follow him he stopped, and returned to his car. The rest of the 911 conversation took place in his vehicle. I want to know what happened after that. Did the kid come back? Or did Zimmerman go after him? That is not on the tape. |
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The shooter messed up. By following the victim when told not to then shooting him was just wrong. I am a pro gun person, shoot, reload, ccw, but this guy just did wrong. This is the sort of action that the anti gun people just love to see. This is just one more nail in the coffin of the 2nd amendment.
Wrong? Maybe, I wasn't there. Illegal? If he was attacked, no. Zimmerman definitely exercised poor judgement, but if it was a public place, he had as much right to be there as the victim. If the victim attacked him, he had the right to defend himself. Personally, I doubt I'd have put myself in Zimmerman's position. |
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The witness, identified only as John, says those cries were made by Zimmerman who was on the ground being beaten by Martin. So if you're winning the fight you're automatically the aggressor? You see, without seeing how it started that means nothing because it doesn't work that way. Sometimes the aggressor bites off more than they can chew and they're rewarded with a good old-fashioned ass whuppin'. These are facts, not in dispute: Mr. Martin had a legal right to be where he was. Mr. Martin was unarmed. Mr. Martin was being followed and appears to have known it. Mr. Zimmerman was armed. Mr. Zimmerman had no official authority in any capacity. Mr. Zimmerman was instructed by the authorities to abandon his pursuit and chose to ignore those instructions. At the very minimum Mr. Zimmerman's poor decision making resulted in someone else's death. That's culpable negligence. |
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« Reply #107 on: March 26, 2012, 07:27:30 AM » |
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I just love how now we get people justifying it with deflection by bringing up other completely unrelated cases. And yet, nobody's really addressed the FACTS as I laid them out. I'm not sure what it says about some of you guys, but it says something.
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I just love how now we get people justifying it with deflection by bringing up other completely unrelated cases. And yet, nobody's really addressed the FACTS as I laid them out. I'm not sure what it says about some of you guys, but it says something.
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I don't know what recording others have heard but the recording I heard doesn't tell him not to follow him, rather "we don't NEED you to do that" That isn't quite the same as being told NOT to do that. Small point, yes, but a point nonetheless. With so few facts known lets keep the known ones quoted correctly.
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I hate to say it but this is probably where this is going.
Riots here and there where those prone to mayhem will join the crowds and commit it. Neighborhood stores, homes and vehicles burned. Neighborhood groceries bankrupted, looters shot. People who had nothing to do with this, beaten, murdered and raped. More people of all races joining hate groups.
While the liberal news media who create and thrive on race problems will make even more money by covering the crisis they created. The left will use it as a “get out the vote” motivator as will the right. We’ll have more calls for gun control and more people like me donating money to the NRA to fight it. Gun and ammo sales will skyrocket more than they already have. The left and right will be spinning this like there is no tomorrow.
All over a shooting that probably had nothing to do with race to begin with. I can’t help thinking that without the Al Sharptons and the other race war mongers King would have won and this kind of thing would finely be behind us.
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Which is exactly what I told you would happen the first time someone got trigger happy. You're welcome. Bullshit. It has little if anything to do with the so called, "stand your ground" law and everything to do with the permissible use of deadly force under Florida law. If for no other reason, according to Zimmerman, he WAS retreating when the teen attacked him... and if such were the case before the so called, "stand your ground" law was passed, he still could have made the case that he was attacked first and was in fear of seriously bodily harm, deadly force would have been legal under the Florida law. I've seen nothing from the police that refers to the "stand your ground" law... from what I've read, they decided not to arrest him because at the time, it appeared that he had acted in self defense based on what they observed. Without question, it's a tragedy for a young man to have lost his life... From what is being reported, it appears that without question, by continuing to pursue the young man even after having been told not to, Zimmerman acted at the very least, rashly and stupidly; and without question, the case must be completely examined to determine if Zimmerman acted lawfully. With that said, the race whores like Sharpton never miss an opportunity to scream "RACIST!" and the leftists never miss an opportunity to scream for more gun control... whether or not either has any real relevance to a particular case. it doesn't have to be about the law itself for the left to twist it around and make it the foremost issue. I'm sure I can think of an example, give me a few.... |
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I would call it self defense. Martin started the physical confromtation. 6'2", sitting on top of you beating your head against the sidewalk. If it was me, I would fear for my life. He could easily beat him to death.
Some say Martin had a right to be there. He did. But, Zimmerman had a right to be there too. Martin started the physical altercation. Backed up by eye witness and the physical evidence.
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More in the news this AM. Police are saying eyewitness and physical evidence back up Zimmerman. That when told he need not follow Martin, He said "OK". Turned, and headed back to his vehicle. Martin then attacked him. Was beating Zimmermans head against the sidewalk. Shot was then fired.
I would call it self defense. Martin started the physical confromtation. 6'2", sitting on top of you beating your head against the sidewalk. If it was me, I would fear for my life. He could easily beat him to death.
Some say Martin had a right to be there. He did. But, Zimmerman had a right to be there too. Martin started the physical altercation. Backed up by eye witness and the physical evidence.
Very Unfortunate what happened. I feel for all of the involved parties and families.
Unarmed or not hands can be used to kill just as dead as a firearm. I know that hands can be deadly weapons. Edit to add.... at least one witness was black,, removes the argument of white standing up and lying to protect the "white hisapanic" (they just had to use the white word didn't they) |
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More in the news this AM. Police are saying eyewitness and physical evidence back up Zimmerman. That when told he need not follow Martin, He said "OK". Turned, and headed back to his vehicle. Martin then attacked him. Was beating Zimmermans head against the sidewalk. Shot was then fired.
I would call it self defense. Martin started the physical confromtation. 6'2", sitting on top of you beating your head against the sidewalk. If it was me, I would fear for my life. He could easily beat him to death.
Some say Martin had a right to be there. He did. But, Zimmerman had a right to be there too. Martin started the physical altercation. Backed up by eye witness and the physical evidence.
Very Unfortunate what happened. I feel for all of the involved parties and families.
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Latest is shooter was getting back in his truck after 911 told him he didnt need to follow the kid, when the kid rounded the truck and asked him if he had a problem. Shooter said no and kid said well you do now. Kid decked shooter breaking his nose. He then jumped on top and started beating shooters head aganst the concrete. All verified by witness. A tragic thing for both partys, but it is what it is. The Race baters have everything to gain by stirring this up out of controll, and the President weighing in the way he did makes them feeel empowered. Main line media has to share much of the blame, NBC this morning aired a blurb that if you are a young black man, it may be fatal. Of course none of the hysteria could possibly be geared toward helping POTUS get re elected. After all wasting a crysis is always preferrable to using it for political reasons.
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« Reply #119 on: March 27, 2012, 07:58:19 AM » |
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Latest is shooter was getting back in his truck after 911 told him he didnt need to follow the kid, when the kid rounded the truck and asked him if he had a problem. Shooter said no and kid said well you do now. That's Zimmerman's story. I suppose there's no way he'd lie about it. Anyone who says "it's definitely a case of XXXX" has their head up their ass. Nobody knows exactly what happened without all of the evidence presented in the proper manner (and even then it may not be clear). That's why it's for a jury to decide. And I don't know why they keep showing a picture of a younger Treyvon either. His FB pictures don't make him look like a hulking thug and his appearance should't really matter anyway. What should matter is the events. |
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