trigger wheel or dyna 3000

[bearcat]

Trying to find out where to buy a 6 degree trigger wheel  or a dyna 3000  for a 97 tour . Any help would be appreciated.

[98valk]

u can modify the OEM TW search shop talk or just a search.  Factorypro.com has one but they recommend only 4 degrees.
dyna...ebay when one shows up.

C5 ignition if only he will finish one for a GL1500.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,79036.0.html

[BonS]

C5 ignition if only he will finish one for a GL1500.

Amen. I've been holding my breath for a long, long time on that.

[Robert]

Dyna is no more and had problems with Valkyries a interstate ecm works well and you can also use a modified trigger wheel. I have the Dyna coils with the interstate ecm and modified trigger wheel. Its easy to make as the post above should have it listed.


http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/

http://www.bigbf.com/

[DarkSideR]

You can buy a Trigger Wheel here (http://cyclemax.com/inc/sdetail/gl1500_valkyrie_trigger_wheel/167424/159787)

Good luck finding a Dyna ignition module. I have been looking for years, but used ones do surface from time to time. Problem is they will cost you a small fortune. The 2 I've had the opportunity to purchase I let go because they went for 1.5 times the original cost. Remember it will be used and won't have a warranty. Not worth it to me at 1.5 times it's original value.

FYI - Neither of these mods won't do much if you have stock air filter, carbs, and exhaust. Get a K&N, re-jet, open up the exhaust and then one of those mods will be getting you extra ponies. Now I loved the bottom end power that the Trigger Wheel gave me, but understand there is a cost! What you gain in the low end you loose in the top end. My bike would top out at 105 mph. I agree that is plenty fast, but just understand that power doesn't come from nowhere. With ignition it's give and take.  

[Willow]

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FYI - Neither of these mods won't do much if you have stock air filter, carbs, and exhaust. Get a K&N, re-jet, open up the exhaust and then one of those mods will be getting you extra ponies. ...

Josh, I'm not sure I agree.  I run the Dyna on two Standards.  I also do have K&N on both and neither are stock exhaust but I think the timing advance is primarily responsible for the increased fuel mileage and the better distribution of power range.

I do have an extra Dyna that I need to check whether it works well.

[DarkSideR]

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FYI - Neither of these mods won't do much if you have stock air filter, carbs, and exhaust. Get a K&N, re-jet, open up the exhaust and then one of those mods will be getting you extra ponies. ...

Josh, I'm not sure I agree.  I run the Dyna on two Standards.  I also do have K&N on both and neither are stock exhaust but I think the timing advance is primarily responsible for the increased fuel mileage and the better distribution of power range.

I do have an extra Dyna that I need to check whether it works well.

You are correct, some do find better fuel economy, but I didn't mention that because most are primarily focused on performance gains, such has Horsepower, etc. But responsibly I should have mentioned the other benefits as well. Thank you for the reminder  .

[VegasF6]

Willow what settings are you running on the dyna?

[Willow]

Willow what settings are you running on the dyna?

If memory serves it is the fifth or sixth up the line.  The highest they recommended without other modifications.  I'll check in a week when I get home.

I experimented with several settings with the first one and just set the second to match.  I actually turned Mama's down a notch because it irritated me that she was getting better fuel mileage than did I. 

[VegasF6]

If I recall they had a significantly retarded setting for mileage. Like 2 or 3. Some people had made it selectable with a switch accessible while driving. Grounding out something or other.
I've never got great mileage no doubt my throttle hand is a factor. But in the last year or more it seems to have decreased. I feel as though it's not running at it's. Eat lately.  Carbs dirty or vacuum leaks or something.
For many years I never had to even use the choke and now she is very cold blooded.

[Willow]

If I recall they had a significantly retarded setting for mileage. Like 2 or 3. Some people had made it selectable with a switch accessible while driving. Grounding out something or other.
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That seems to be the ECT mod to which you are referring although the timing is advanced rather than retarded.

[Bigwolf]

Bearcat, try reading shop talk if you have not already done so.  http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/igntiming.htm 
Then consider these issues before proceeding.  Nearly all, if not all, aftermarket trigger wheels have a smaller and more rounded profile on the tips than the oem wheel.  This profile difference causes a weaker signal in the pulse generators.  That weaker signal has caused some people ignition problems.  It is easy to modify the OEM trigger wheel with just a good file so that you can adjust the timing between stock and an additional 6* advance. (Note that the stock advance is 3.5 at idle).  I feel this is a much better alteration than using the aftermarket wheel.
If you get a Dyna, be sure to mount it without using the rubber boot from the OEM.  The Dyna is very sensitive to heat.  I have ran 2 different Dynas and both would start missing when in the rubber boot and the ambient air temps got up in the 90s.  I got a large heat sink from the local computer scrap pile and mounted the Dyna on that.  No more problems even in 105 plus temps.

If I recall they had a significantly retarded setting for mileage. Like 2 or 3. Some people had made it selectable with a switch accessible while driving. Grounding out something or other.

Better fuel mileage at cruising speeds comes from more ignition advance as Willow said.  The switch on the fly feature of the Dyna is a wire (white) from the Dyna that can be grounded to retard the base timing of the Dyna by a preset amount up to 10 degrees.  This White wire can be switched so that you run it in one position for fuel economy and then quickly switch to max performance mode if the mood hits ya.

FWIW If I was looking to make an ignition mod now, I would be looking up the folks with the C5 and asking where they are with that project.  If money was not a big problem, I might even go all the way and pick up an engine control module instead of just an ignition module.  Then I could move up to fuel injection as well as better ignition timing.  That would be a big win in terms of fuel economy and peace of mind.

[Robert]

Willow is correct about the mileage increase on ignition advance

This is the advance curve of the Dyna unit
http://www.dynaonline.com/skins/downloads/instruct/D3K1-1RevD.pdf

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php?topic=56466.0

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php?topic=8444.0

New Jersey - VRCC # 3966

Re: Dyna 3000 failure
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2009, 04:34:44 PM »
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When I got mine I was having problems with starting my bike when it was warm.  I sent it back to Dyna and they said the unit tested fine but that the units for the Valkyrie as a whole were problematic and some just didnt work well with certain bikes.  So they offered to buy it back from me for my full price so I took the offer.  Still like to get another one eventually and try to make it work but for not I just put my IS ICU back in.

[Garry 2r's]

bearcat I sent you PM

[bearcat]

Thanks everyone for all the info. I guess I need to decide if I want to wait for c5 system  or install a IS icm & then maybe a 4 degree wheel. Either way I appreciate the help.

[bearcat]

I couldn't find the procedure to make your stock TW into 4 or 6 degree wheel,  if someone knows how let me know.

[98valk]

we need more people to contact C5 and push him to finish the GL1500 setup. It is a multi-spark unit, variable ignition curves and uses his high performance coils.
The unit attaches to the end of the left side camshaft.

[Bigwolf]

I couldn't find the procedure to make your stock TW into 4 or 6 degree wheel,  if someone knows how let me know.

I did this to mine after calculating just how much to take off the key part of the wheel.  I thought I had posted a write up with photos but could not find that.  Did not find the photo either.  However, I know I have all the notes on what I did.  I will look them up this evening and let you know.

[98valk]

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,50309.0.html

[Bigwolf]

98valk nailed it.     My reply (reply #9) to that post spells out exactly what I did.  Maybe I never did actually post a detailed photo of that.