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in Helsinki https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629462401/transcript-president-trump-and-russian-president-putins-joint-press-conferenceI am not one to make up my mind just because any member or for that matter any "news" talking head says something like this or that was said NPR is usually spot on reliable with transcripts Make up your own mind. My take on it is that Putin and Trump have an opportunity to reduce tensions between the two superpowers and are committed to doing so. Do I think the USA has tried to influence every election around the globe? Of course. Do I think the Russians would do the same? Of course Do I think voting machines were hacked. Not by russians perhaps by Soros though or the DNC I think the Russian old KGB apparatus is corrupt and have no doubt that agents formerly KGB, GRU could have been behind helping Clinton rape Russia of those hundreds of millions and had skim off the tip. Putin may or may not have been behind it but he has plausable deniability and has consented to our corrupt fbi interviewing agents in Russia. A tempest in a teapot compared to what the two superpowers can do to help the world. Like I applauded Nixon at the time I applaud Trump's audacity to open Russia to dialog as Nixon opened China. My party can kiss my a$$ if they cant see the forest for the trees on this one. It is a golden opportunity for USA |
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2018, 07:03:32 AM » |
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You are wrong , both parties can see the forest through the trees , just not giving credit to anyone , especially Trump , for doing something that may be a positive and I do not blame them for keeping up the pressure on Russia , maybe it was written into the script , as part of the play .
Was not that long ago , we were in Russia in the hopes of doing the same thing to them during one of Putin's reelections , we were in Ukraine in the hopes of screwing with their elections and I believe it worked .
If Russia did try to influence our elections , we deserved it .
Your statement is in no way reported in the news , just shows haw corrupt our news is . I can not believe we are sooo stupid to believe any of it
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2018, 07:11:45 AM » |
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From the lips of Putin's translator. For those that wont bother to read the transcription.
"For instance, we can bring up Mr. Browder in this particular case. Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over one and a half billion dollars in Russia. They never paid any taxes, neither in Russian or in the United States and yet the money escaped the country, they were transferred to the United States.
They sent huge amount of money - 400 million - as a contribution to the campaign of Hillary Clinton.
Well, that's their personal case, it might have been legal, the contribution itself, but the way the money was earned was illegal."
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2018, 07:40:00 AM » |
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Did President Trump use a wide brush on all the "intelligence" agencies? Yes. How many "intelligence" agencies are complicit in helping/trying/going along with attempting to take him down? And while I are at best guessing here-he most likely has more up to date "intelligence" at his finger tips than we do. And keep uppermost in your mind-he is the FURTHEST thing from fraid to speak his mind or bow to convention. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2018, 07:40:38 AM » |
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The Democrats are just mad at Russia for giving up on communism/socialism.
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2018, 07:47:00 AM » |
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Yesterday did it for me forever.   I have had it with TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome as seen and heard yesterday. As for the MSM - Main Stream Media(print and broadcast) - They can kiss butt and go bankrupt. What was seen as news and news reporting by the MSM was an embarrassment  to the human race and everyone should be ashamed. It seems the Democratic party is intent on killing itself off with internal coups and wrong doing - I hope they are successful. The Republican party leaders continue to spiral into stupid, doing their best to ensure the demise of the party. I hope they are successful. The world would be a better place without all three - Republican party, Democratic party and MSM. May they all go the way of the DODO bird - maybe the DODO bird was smarter as it at least was able to keep its head out of its A--. |
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2018, 08:07:03 AM » |
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Thank you Oss for posting the link.
I didn't get to watch it yesterday and wouldn't been able to stomach the talking heads anyway.
This was a very interesting and informative article.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2018, 08:42:12 AM » |
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I always find it amusing, in a sick sort of way, to hear various elements talking about how Trump is giving in to Putin....how he's selling the U.S. down the river. I heard nothing but complaints and ridicule of Trump re. their meeting and how he never touched on issues the LSM(lame stream media) felt was important. Their so-called proof is the lack of detail during the press conference. Really? How many of us were in the room with them during that meeting? How absolutely foolish of anyone to think(or feel) that either head of state is obligated to tell us of all the subjects covered and give details of the outcome of those talks. All you're going to get is a brief overview which is all we're entitled to, beyond that it's none of our business. Keep in mind, the original meeting was slotted for 30 minutes, yet they talked for just over two hours. I don't think they were exchanging recipes or playing pinochle.
Keep in mind one distinguishing fact; Putin got where he is by force, Trump didn't get where he is by being dumb.
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2018, 08:50:04 AM » |
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Keep in mind, the original meeting was slotted for 30 minutes, yet they talked for just over two hours. I don't think they were exchanging recipes or playing pinochle.
Keep in mind one distinguishing fact; Putin got where he is by force, Trump didn't get where he is by being dumb.
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2018, 09:29:42 AM » |
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The good thing though is that now Trump is colluding with Putin in the open.
From Webster:
*co.llusion: : secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose acting in collusion with the enemy.
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2018, 09:47:39 AM » |
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The good thing though is that now Trump is colluding with Putin in the open.
From Webster:
*co.llusion: : secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose acting in collusion with the enemy.
Is that what they are teaching you out on the socialist left coast. I don't blame you Savago you are just repeating what you are being brain washed with, but your post here is dumb and meaningless unless all you wanted to do was stirr the pot. |
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2018, 09:49:45 AM » |
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I've asked a few times, just where is that line that would start to turn his supporters against him. If this situation isn't it, where in the snuggle is it? Doesn't yesterdays performance show ANY doubt in your minds? Ask any questions?
What would you be saying if it was Obama? I think THAT is the question.
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I've asked a few times, just where is that line that would start to turn his supporters against him. If this situation isn't it, where in the snuggle is it? Doesn't yesterdays performance show ANY doubt in your minds? Ask any questions?
What would you be saying if it was Obama? I think THAT is the question.
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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2018, 09:53:05 AM » |
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Doesn't yesterdays performance show ANY doubt in your minds?
No. Actually makes me like President Trump more, seeing him stand up to the corrupt swamp creatures. What would you be saying if it was Obama? I think THAT is the question.
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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2018, 10:08:10 AM » |
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I've asked a few times, just where is that line that would start to turn his supporters against him. If this situation isn't it, where in the snuggle is it? Doesn't yesterdays performance show ANY doubt in your minds? Ask any questions?
What would you be saying if it was Obama? I think THAT is the question.
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2018, 10:12:20 AM » |
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Lolol.....go a head and keep your little Hillary and Obama hatefest going. It's almost amusing to watch. Almost.
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2018, 10:15:31 AM » |
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Doesn't yesterdays performance show ANY doubt in your minds?
No. Actually makes me like President Trump more, seeing him stand up to the corrupt swamp creatures. What would you be saying if it was Obama? I think THAT is the question.
We rose hell when Obama colluded with the president of Russia, as Britman linked above, and were called racists and deplorable for it and that it was nothing to worry about. If I remember correctly, that was about something in particular that was being worked out. Obama didn't disappear into a secret two hour meeting with absolutely no one else but interpreters present. If that doesn't raise any flags I really don't know what would. |
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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2018, 10:17:45 AM » |
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Doesn't yesterdays performance show ANY doubt in your minds?
No. Actually makes me like President Trump more, seeing him stand up to the corrupt swamp creatures. What would you be saying if it was Obama? I think THAT is the question.
We rose hell when Obama colluded with the president of Russia, as Britman linked above, and were called racists and deplorable for it and that it was nothing to worry about. If I remember correctly, that was about something in particular that was being worked out. Obama didn't disappear into a secret two hour meeting with absolutely no one else but interpreters present. If that doesn't raise any flags I really don't know what would. didn't he do the same thing with little fat rocket man? |
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2018, 10:19:57 AM » |
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Lolol.....go a head and keep your little Hillary and Obama hatefest going. It's almost amusing to watch. Almost.
I'm amused you get on here just to start crap with everyone. Continue to play, i kinda like this game. |
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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2018, 10:22:35 AM » |
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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2018, 11:00:54 AM » |
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Doesn't yesterdays performance show ANY doubt in your minds?
No. Actually makes me like President Trump more, seeing him stand up to the corrupt swamp creatures. What would you be saying if it was Obama? I think THAT is the question.
We rose hell when Obama colluded with the president of Russia, as Britman linked above, and were called racists and deplorable for it and that it was nothing to worry about. If I remember correctly, that was about something in particular that was being worked out. Obama didn't disappear into a secret two hour meeting with absolutely no one else but interpreters present. If that doesn't raise any flags I really don't know what would. Yea right. Obama NEVER NEVER NEVER had any private meetings with anyone. Tell me another one. I need a good laugh today. Maybe they talked about their kids and grandkids. Hey that worked for your side when talking about the Lynch/Clinton secret tarmac meeting..... |
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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2018, 11:29:48 AM » |
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The usual hate
No solution or imagination
No way out but demonizing someone's guts
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Doesn't yesterdays performance show ANY doubt in your minds?
No. Actually makes me like President Trump more, seeing him stand up to the corrupt swamp creatures. What would you be saying if it was Obama? I think THAT is the question.
We rose hell when Obama colluded with the president of Russia, as Britman linked above, and were called racists and deplorable for it and that it was nothing to worry about. If I remember correctly, that was about something in particular that was being worked out. Obama didn't disappear into a secret two hour meeting with absolutely no one else but interpreters present. If that doesn't raise any flags I really don't know what would. As good as alone. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-putin-have-private-chat-at-g-20-summit-turkey/You do understand that Trump and Putin had translators in the meeting with them? |
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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2018, 12:19:14 PM » |
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The good thing though is that now Trump is colluding with Putin in the open.
From Webster:
*co.llusion: : secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose acting in collusion with the enemy.
You think it's bad now, wait until after the next election, when Trump will be able to be more flexible, right? Trump may even be able to stand there dikless while Putin invades a sovereign country or sleepwalks over a red line. |
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I've asked a few times, just where is that line that would start to turn his supporters against him. If this situation isn't it, where in the snuggle is it? Doesn't yesterdays performance show ANY doubt in your minds? Ask any questions?
What would you be saying if it was Obama? I think THAT is the question.
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I see now on the news that the President has walked back his statement a little, claimed he said would instead of wouldn't (or vice versa) instead of what he meant. That kind of makes him sound as stupid as if he'd said he'd visited 57 States. Guess that means he'll be re-elected  |
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I've asked a few times, just where is that line that would start to turn his supporters against him. If this situation isn't it, where in the snuggle is it? Doesn't yesterdays performance show ANY doubt in your minds? Ask any questions?
What would you be saying if it was Obama? I think THAT is the question.
As it relates to the DNC hacked server this is my perspective. The DNC server is hacked. Prior to that the DNC denied the FBI's request and offer to secure it. After it was hacked the DNC denied the request from the FBi and other agencies for a forensic analysis. (I am simply recalling various reports I've heard in the past) The DNC then had a 3rd party computer firm do a forensic analysis of the DNC server and the report from that analysis was sent to the FBI and other intel agencies. This report from the 3rd party computer firm, paid for by the DNC, was the genesis of the intel communities analysis of the DNC hacking and continues to be the basis of their current analysis. At this time I am unaware of any US government intel agency or law enforcement agency that has done their own forensic analysis of the DNC server. The original report said that Russian software was used to hack the DNC server. I don't doubt this. But the conclusion that the Russians did this cannot be gleaned from the simple fact that Russian software was used. Anyone with such skills can find and use Russian software. They don't have to be Russian. The hacked DNC server yielded a treasure trove of emails documenting DNC corruption. These found there way to Wikileaks where they were published. The founder of Wikileaks stated that it was not Russia who brought this information to him and I believe made the claim that the source was not Russian either. So even if still want to lay this on the Russians I still am lost on exactly what the motive was and what they were trying to achieve. I just don't see a plus side for them doing something like this. Unless they did it just for fun. If you answer "They wanted to support a Trump win" you have to explain how the hacking accomplished that when, at the time of all this, Trump was not yet the nominee and the conventional wisdom was saying he would never be. My view of this is Russia wasn't a party to this. They just got their software used. I believe there was a different country involved with much more sophistication and motive. |
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The 2 hour meeting in private was Trump begging Putin not to release the Pee tapes, and working out a payment plan so Trump can repay the millions he owes Putin. John |
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The 2 hour meeting in private was Trump begging Putin not to release the Pee tapes, and working out a payment plan so Trump can repay the millions he owes Putin. John  Not sure if serious or trolling/joking... I'll give ya' the benefit of the doubt though and assume that was a joke. |
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I've asked a few times, just where is that line that would start to turn his supporters against him. If this situation isn't it, where in the snuggle is it? Doesn't yesterdays performance show ANY doubt in your minds? Ask any questions?
What would you be saying if it was Obama? I think THAT is the question.
As it relates to the DNC hacked server this is my perspective. The DNC server is hacked. Prior to that the DNC denied the FBI's request and offer to secure it. After it was hacked the DNC denied the request from the FBi and other agencies for a forensic analysis. (I am simply recalling various reports I've heard in the past) The DNC then had a 3rd party computer firm do a forensic analysis of the DNC server and the report from that analysis was sent to the FBI and other intel agencies. This report from the 3rd party computer firm, paid for by the DNC, was the genesis of the intel communities analysis of the DNC hacking and continues to be the basis of their current analysis. At this time I am unaware of any US government intel agency or law enforcement agency that has done their own forensic analysis of the DNC server. The original report said that Russian software was used to hack the DNC server. I don't doubt this. But the conclusion that the Russians did this cannot be gleaned from the simple fact that Russian software was used. Anyone with such skills can find and use Russian software. They don't have to be Russian. The hacked DNC server yielded a treasure trove of emails documenting DNC corruption. These found there way to Wikileaks where they were published. The founder of Wikileaks stated that it was not Russia who brought this information to him and I believe made the claim that the source was not Russian either. So even if still want to lay this on the Russians I still am lost on exactly what the motive was and what they were trying to achieve. I just don't see a plus side for them doing something like this. Unless they did it just for fun. If you answer "They wanted to support a Trump win" you have to explain how the hacking accomplished that when, at the time of all this, Trump was not yet the nominee and the conventional wisdom was saying he would never be. My view of this is Russia wasn't a party to this. They just got their software used. I believe there was a different country involved with much more sophistication and motive. Either different country or disgruntled Dem. operative ( who died a mysterious murder ) which was discussed a lot, many months ago and I think the name is (Seth Richards) who was alluded to in a very round about way by Assange, who has stated numerous time - Not Russia or any other State. The server was examined by a company called Crowdstrike, a noted hater of Russia. Also noted by intelligence people many months ago ( many as more than 12 ) is that Russia goes to great lengths to not leave their signature on hacking. Why was not that server allowed to be seen by the FBI. I can think of several reasons and most likely they are all correct. I am sure others here can also. |
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President Donald J. Trump is Protecting Our Elections and Standing Up to Russia’s Malign Activities https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-protecting-elections-standing-russias-malign-activities/BTW the missing server with all the incriminating evidence is in good hands. So we will be seeing the results in the near future.  Obama open mic slip: 'After my election I have more flexibility' https://youtu.be/XsFR8DbSRQEWhile President Obama was taking part in a global nuclear security summit in South Korea, he was caught on tape asking for Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for "space." "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility," Obama implored. Obama assured the departing Russian President he will have the "flexibility" required to deal with missile defense issues after the 2012 presidential election.  |
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