So, Did anyone besides me waste 30 minutes watching Trump and the Democrats

[scooperhsd]

last night ?

Absolutely nothing new was presented by either side.

[Moonshot_1]

Can't say it was a waste of time. It had some significance.

Trump laid out his case. The case he made is the same one he's made all along. Nothing has changed. It is the same case he made during his campaign and the same one up till now and continues making it today.

The democrats are opposed to Trump's case. They are now on record being opposed to it. Yet now we can see that they, including Obama and Clinton as well as other prominent Democrats, not so long ago, supported such a physical barrier on the border. And did so on the record. A total 180 from their position today.

The Democrats need to tell us what has changed. If it is just because it's Trumps position and they are against that, it shows how shallow they are that they would put politics ahead of common sense policies that THEY not that long ago subscribed to.

Trump is right on this. It is a national security issue. Clearly and obvious. Has been for a long time.

 

[Challenger]

Watched most of it,   Cringed at some of the comments from both sides.    Not sure why the news media think they have to explain afterwards what I just watched.  

[Wizzard]

Trump should build the wall on the other side of the border and call it foreign aid,, then it would get done.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yes

[Wizzard]

If Trump stated that crapping your pants was a bad thing most dem's would walk around with a full load in their pants
 

[¿spoom]

I don't feel it was a waste, though I watched another show and waited and just read the transcripts this morning. I was interested in who would make the best case, not what their case was, because that's already known.

[phideux]

Can't say it was a waste of time. It had some significance.

Trump laid out his case. The case he made is the same one he's made all along. Nothing has changed. It is the same case he made during his campaign and the same one up till now and continues making it today.

The democrats are opposed to Trump's case. They are now on record being opposed to it. Yet now we can see that they, including Obama and Clinton as well as other prominent Democrats, not so long ago, supported such a physical barrier on the border. And did so on the record. A total 180 from their position today.

The Democrats need to tell us what has changed. If it is just because it's Trumps position and they are against that, it shows how shallow they are that they would put politics ahead of common sense policies that THEY not that long ago subscribed to.

Trump is right on this. It is a national security issue. Clearly and obvious. Has been for a long time.

 

Actually, quite a bit has changed. Since he took office, several more people have been killed by illegals, including a young man who immigrated to this country the right way and worked as a police officer in his community, leaving behind a wife and young child. Hundreds of women have been raped and abused by Illegals. Unknown how many of our citizens are dead, and lives ruined, because of drugs that came through the border. Unknown how many have been killed or injured by Illegals driving drunk. Unable to count the numbers of people who have been assaulted, shot, stabbed, robbed, burglarized, or kidnapped by Illegals. How many billions of dollars have been wasted on welfare programs, food stamps and medical care for Illegals, especially in sanctuary cities when we have homeless vets sleeping on the streets and being denied medical care.
Alot has changed

[Wizzard]

Can't say it was a waste of time. It had some significance.

Trump laid out his case. The case he made is the same one he's made all along. Nothing has changed. It is the same case he made during his campaign and the same one up till now and continues making it today.

The democrats are opposed to Trump's case. They are now on record being opposed to it. Yet now we can see that they, including Obama and Clinton as well as other prominent Democrats, not so long ago, supported such a physical barrier on the border. And did so on the record. A total 180 from their position today.

The Democrats need to tell us what has changed. If it is just because it's Trumps position and they are against that, it shows how shallow they are that they would put politics ahead of common sense policies that THEY not that long ago subscribed to.

Trump is right on this. It is a national security issue. Clearly and obvious. Has been for a long time.

 

Actually, quite a bit has changed. Since he took office, several more people have been killed by illegals, including a young man who immigrated to this country the right way and worked as a police officer in his community, leaving behind a wife and young child. Hundreds of women have been raped and abused by Illegals. Unknown how many of our citizens are dead, and lives ruined, because of drugs that came through the border. Unknown how many have been killed or injured by Illegals driving drunk. Unable to count the numbers of people who have been assaulted, shot, stabbed, robbed, burglarized, or kidnapped by Illegals. How many billions of dollars have been wasted on welfare programs, food stamps and medical care for Illegals, especially in sanctuary cities when we have homeless vets sleeping on the streets and being denied medical care.
Alot has changed

And the liberals will tell you that stuff was going on before any "illegals" came here. Like it does not matter. 

[Willow]

I watched.  I was going to shut it off when Schumer and Pelosi were presenting their side.  I gritted my teeth and watched.  I turned it off as soon as the news media professionals started their disrespect for the President.

[Rams]

I gritted my teeth and watched.  I turned it off as soon as the news media professionals started their disrespect for the President.

Watched it in it's entirety.   Watched the post play by play by an obviously bias'd media.  No Doubt in my mind where the major networks stand and how they are attempting to influence my/our opinions.   

Have watched and noted how the Democrats have  changed their position on the barrier to stop illegal immigration.   IMHO, this is all about putting a Democrat back in the Whitehouse.  Every illegal allowed to stay will be a Democrat "illegal" voter.

All about Power, Greed and Money, not keeping the US and it's citizen's safe.   I have no doubt that as soon as the Dems are back in the majority, a barrier will somehow be in the next budget.

Rams

[Robert]

I watched.  I was going to shut it off when Schumer and Pelosi were presenting their side.  I gritted my teeth and watched.  I turned it off as soon as the news media professionals started their disrespect for the President.

  agreed and exactly what I did

Pelosi and Schumer have been in office many years and they talked about better boarder security last night, but what has happened all the years they have been in office already, NOTHING. So why should anyone believe their false promises?


Here in Florida, millions of dollars are spent on concrete walls to buffer the noise – roughly $2 million to $3 million per mile, on average. For the reconstruction of I-595 in Broward County, about $28 million is being spent on noise barriers that if stacked end-to-end would stretch more than 11 miles. For instance, in 2002, a 22-foot tall wall that stretched 2,180 feet along I-95 in Miami-Dade County cost about $1.7 million to build, according to the Federal Highway Administration. In 2005, an 8-foot tall wall over 3,700 feet in length along I-95 in Delray Beach cost about $2 million.

Yet we cannot get a boarder wall, really?

Hey a great idea,

How about a wall like the ones we have here in Florida, but the bottom wall built to hold another on top of it. Now the bottom wall will be well secured but the top one could be on hinges so that if someone puts a rope on them they tip over and act like a fly swatter. Then can be pulled back up and reset. 

[Jess from VA]

I didn't watch.  I don't care who made the better case.  I know I am with the Pres on a southern wall.

Maybe he can keep the partial G shutdown going until there's enough savings to build the wall. 

The Fed G needs reduced by about 30-40 percent anyway.  (not the military, just the rest of it)

This should be considered a trial run. 

[hubcapsc]

 in 2002, a 22-foot tall wall that stretched 2,180 feet along I-95 in Miami-Dade County cost about $1.7 million to build, according to the Federal Highway Administration. In 2005, an 8-foot tall wall over 3,700 feet in length along I-95 in Delray Beach cost about $2 million.

Yet we cannot get a boarder wall, really?

The border is not I-95.



There's some places where the right wall would make sense. Most of the places
need to be protected some other way.

The democrats, who keep on lying about making congress work for "all Americans",
need to shut up, though, and fund the wall that Trump ran and won on.

-Mike

[The emperor has no clothes]

 in 2002, a 22-foot tall wall that stretched 2,180 feet along I-95 in Miami-Dade County cost about $1.7 million to build, according to the Federal Highway Administration. In 2005, an 8-foot tall wall over 3,700 feet in length along I-95 in Delray Beach cost about $2 million.

Yet we cannot get a boarder wall, really?

The border is not I-95.



There's some places where the right wall would make sense. Most of the places
need to be protected some other way.

The democrats, who keep on lying about making congress work for "all Americans",
need to shut up, though, and fund the wall that Trump ran and won on.

-Mike

To be fair, the wall that Trump ran and won on was to be paid for by Mexico. But you are right I believe, most places it needs to be protected some other way.

[¿spoom]

I watched.  I was going to shut it off when Schumer and Pelosi were presenting their side.  I gritted my teeth and watched.  I turned it off as soon as the news media professionals started their disrespect for the President.

I think it's a little ironic that the Democrats needed "equal time" after the President's speech for the opposing view. Isn't that what SNL, Samantha Bee, all the late night TV hosts, and most cable news networks jobs are?

[Davemn]

I didn't watch.  I don't care who made the better case.  I know I am with the Pres on a southern wall.

Maybe he can keep the partial G shutdown going until there's enough savings to build the wall.  

The Fed G needs reduced by about 30-40 percent anyway.  (not the military, just the rest of it)

This should be considered a trial run.  

There are no savings for the wall. All these workers get back pay. In fact  it will cost you and me a few billion a week during this shutdown. Google it.

[Pete]

No.

[f6john]

I watched but was disappointed by Presidents Trumps delivery. I agreed with everything he said but it seemed a bit canned, not like a Reagan or Kennedy address or Obama for that matter. I think Trump is sincere now just as he was during his campaign, we need a barrier on the order as long as we have policies that make America the worlds supermarket. I’m not being critical of the message, I could not have done better and would have looked like a deer in the headlights.

I hope he prepares better for future addresses to the country if he hopes to win people over by appealing to their hearts.

The comedy team of Chuck and Nancy gave us exactly what everyone expected too.

[hubcapsc]

I watched but was disappointed by Presidents Trumps delivery. I agreed with everything he said but it seemed a bit canned

He sounded to me like he has a cold, and 7 minutes to read from a teleprompter.

Trump's more Trumpish when he is free to rattle on unhindered...

-Mike

[Robert]

 in 2002, a 22-foot tall wall that stretched 2,180 feet along I-95 in Miami-Dade County cost about $1.7 million to build, according to the Federal Highway Administration. In 2005, an 8-foot tall wall over 3,700 feet in length along I-95 in Delray Beach cost about $2 million.

Yet we cannot get a boarder wall, really?

The border is not I-95.

There's some places where the right wall would make sense. Most of the places
need to be protected some other way.

The democrats, who keep on lying about making congress work for "all Americans",
need to shut up, though, and fund the wall that Trump ran and won on.

-Mike

Im a bit confused here, You agree with Trump but say a boarder wall in some spots does not make sense? You say its not 95 a proven wall in the US, a proof of concept, viability and ability, and morality for Mexico/US boarder, so what would be a better solution to assure our security? Please clarify do you agree or what would be a better solution?

[Serk]

The Babylon Bee is really burying The Onion lately....
...sadly, the Bee is also pulling way ahead of most "serious" news sources lately as well...

https://babylonbee.com/news/good-evening-says-president-trump-drawing-immediate-flurry-of-fact-checks

[rocketray]

youtube "How to be a crook" by Larken Rose

[hubcapsc]

You agree with Trump

I never said that. I voted for him so he could throw a wrench
in the gears of our "progressive" government. He's doing a
great job at that.

what would be a better solution

Than a 2,000 mile crooked wall through a wilderness of mountains swamps and
deserts? Almost anything.

-Mike

[scooperhsd]

Couple things I would agree with the democrats on -

1. Separate the government shutdown from the border security discussion.

2. Trump needs to learn HOW compromise in government works - not a "My way or the highway" approach. For that matter, the democrats need to relearn this one as well.

[Robert]

You agree with Trump

I never said that. I voted for him so he could throw a wrench
in the gears of our "progressive" government. He's doing a
great job at that.

what would be a better solution

Than a 2,000 mile crooked wall through a wilderness of mountains swamps and
deserts? Almost anything.

-Mike

I think your wrong about the areas that the wall will go through since its mostly desert.

  I also have another problem with your thoughts, So the Ming Dynasty can build the great wall of China yet we in the US cannot build a wall at our southern border, today. Which would be much less in length and we have much more advanced technology. It worked for China, we have proof of concept from Obama's house to the walls on 95. 

  You also still dont address the technologies available so a wall would not have to be built either. I wonder what technology you know about that many government agencies see this as a viable and necessary thing to do with no other real alternatives. Im sure that IF there were other alternatives Obama, the rich, Congressmen at their houses and a whole host of others would have made the switch. Especially since with a money is no object ability they would employ the latest methods.   

As a final thought it costs the US lives, and about 275 billion dollars in illegal immigration. If the wall could be built in easy areas first, the ones most likely to pass over by people then if it cuts 100 billion off the top it would be well worth it. Who knows we may get back our southern most parks in Arizona as a result.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You agree with Trump

I never said that. I voted for him so he could throw a wrench
in the gears of our "progressive" government. He's doing a
great job at that.

what would be a better solution

Than a 2,000 mile crooked wall through a wilderness of mountains swamps and
deserts? Almost anything.

-Mike

I think your a wrong about the areas that the wall will go through since its mostly desert.

  I also have another problem with your thoughts, So the Ming Dynasty can build the great wall of China yet we in the US cannot build a wall at our southern boarder. Which would be much less in length and we have much more advanced technology. It worked for China, we have proof of concept from Obama's house to the walls on 95.  

  You also still dont address the technologies available so a wall would not have to be built either. I wonder what technology you know about that many government agencies see this as a viable and necessary thing to do with no other real alternatives.  

I can't take it anymore ! I've read your "boarder" for years now and have kept my mouth shut.
https://www.gingersoftware.com/english-online/spelling-book/confusing-words/border-boarder

[Robert]

I can't take it anymore ! I've read your "boarder" for years now and have kept my mouth shut.
https://www.gingersoftware.com/english-online/spelling-book/confusing-words/border-boarder

A sincere thanks 


This is one cool technology used by the border agents to see the illegals

COLOR NIGHT VISION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bTgG2Ft4xQ

 With a wall in this area we could eliminate this also.


https://www.x20.org/color-night-vision/

[hubcapsc]

So the Ming Dynasty can build the great wall of China yet we in the US cannot build a wall at our southern border

They didn't build it and forget it, they manned it as a protection against raids. We need
to man and surveil the border mostly. And quit luring them here to work cheap for us. And
about 100 other things, not "just a wall"... if one size fits all we should all get Harleys.

since its mostly desert.

The border goes from sea to sea and has thousands of feet of elevation along the way.
The Rio Grande Valley is... well, look back a few posts at the picture. Click on google satellite view
and follow it yourself... The wall won't be smack-dab on the border for geographic reasons, family farms and
ranches of Americans will be on the other side of the wall if we build it from sea to sea.

-Mike

[Savago]

I've watched them both: Trump's speech and Pelosi + Schumer and felt nauseated.

Trump did the speech for his base *only*, basically repeating the old story he told in 2016's campaign i.e. 'evil brown people are coming to USA to kill us, traffic drugs, rape our women, steal our jobs and we need the WALL!'. That plus some random stats and statements that are, in majority, either misrepresented, exaggerated or simply wrong.

News flash: the president (whoever is holding the office) is our employee and supposed to represent the *whole* population of USA. It is clear by now that Trump doesn't, he only cares for the 28-32% of Americans that support him a.k.a. maga hatters.

Dems was more of the same: Trump bad, reopen the government please. Lame and tame if you ask me.

Best part of it all: GOP had *absolute* power for 2 years and even they wouldn't pay for Trump's 'beautiful concrete wall', after all, Trump promised that Mexico would pay for it.

Now Trump is taking the government hostage only to be able to say to his base that he fought until the very end but the evil dems wouldn't pay for his wall.

Politics at its worst, really.

I'm glad that I work for a private company and don't depend on a paycheck from the government (thank God for capitalism!).

On the other hand, what happens to the people that work for the government and are not being paid?

[Robert]

So the Ming Dynasty can build the great wall of China yet we in the US cannot build a wall at our southern border

They didn't build it and forget it, they manned it as a protection against raids. We need
to man and surveil the border mostly. And quit luring them here to work cheap for us. And
about 100 other things, not "just a wall"... if one size fits all we should all get Harleys.

since its mostly desert.

The border goes from sea to sea and has thousands of feet of elevation along the way.
The Rio Grande Valley is... well, look back a few posts at the picture. Click on google satellite view
and follow it yourself... The wall won't be smack-dab on the border for geographic reasons, family farms and
ranches of Americans will be on the other side of the wall if we build it from sea to sea.

-Mike

We are in agreement with manning the border and the other lack of incentives to stop the inflow of illegals. Trump already has put a stop to some of it and patrolling was taken as a granted, so we agree on this.  

I would seriously doubt that in 1900 miles every inch needs to have a wall, start with the easy places,  

[The emperor has no clothes]

So the Ming Dynasty can build the great wall of China yet we in the US cannot build a wall at our southern border

They didn't build it and forget it, they manned it as a protection against raids. We need
to man and surveil the border mostly. And quit luring them here to work cheap for us. And
about 100 other things, not "just a wall"... if one size fits all we should all get Harleys.

since its mostly desert.

The border goes from sea to sea and has thousands of feet of elevation along the way.
The Rio Grande Valley is... well, look back a few posts at the picture. Click on google satellite view
and follow it yourself... The wall won't be smack-dab on the border for geographic reasons, family farms and
ranches of Americans will be on the other side of the wall if we build it from sea to sea.

-Mike

Isn't it odd that a simple man from South Carolina can see the problem and astutely understand a workable solution. But over 500 of our representatives can't figure it out ?     (sometimes I wonder if we are really being represented at all)

[Robert]

I've watched them both: Trump's speech and Pelosi + Schumer and felt nauseated.

Trump did the speech for his base *only*, basically repeating the old story he told in 2016's campaign i.e. 'evil brown people are coming to USA to kill us, traffic drugs, rape our women, steal our jobs and we need the WALL!'. That plus some random stats and statements that are, in majority, either misrepresented, exaggerated or simply wrong.

News flash: the president (whoever is holding the office) is our employee and supposed to represent the *whole* population of USA. It is clear by now that Trump doesn't, he only cares for the 28-32% of Americans that support him a.k.a. maga hatters.

Dems was more of the same: Trump bad, reopen the government please. Lame and tame if you ask me.

Best part of it all: GOP had *absolute* power for 2 years and even they wouldn't pay for Trump's 'beautiful concrete wall', after all, Trump promised that Mexico would pay for it.

Now Trump is taking the government hostage only to be able to say to his base that he fought until the very end but the evil dems wouldn't pay for his wall.

Politics at its worst, really.

I'm glad that I work for a private company and don't depend on a paycheck from the government (thank God for capitalism!).

A few revisions in your thoughts

By the numbers, Trump received votes from approximately 26% of the population, roughly .2% or .3% fewer votes than Clinton received. This reflects voter turnout of somewhere between 55% and 60% of the voting-age population. So of the eligible voters Trump received roughly 50 percent of the votes. I would say that is more than the 28 to 30 percent that you quote and its even higher today.

Trump is calling out the Dems  in their lack of sincerity of protecting the US borders, they state it openly and out in front for everyone to see and hear about.

Politics at its worst or events that show who really wants to protect the US and who does not. Sometimes words dont mean nothing, look who is willing to put it on the dotted line.

I wonder how you know the stats are wrong in majority for all that I have found confirms most of the stats.

NO opposition to the wall has proposed any concrete proposal to stop illegal immigration, a real 175 billion dollar a year problem along with US citizen deaths. They have tried to criticize every attempt to get the wall built. That is a political game maybe you should rethink who is the one playing politics and who is offering solutions.

[Robert]

Maybe those who are in charge of protecting our boarders really do know these facts. They do not use opinions or emotions and are the ones endorsing a wall to protect life limb and property and not wanting it to be a political issue. Something the Dems are doing and when they had the opportunity to protect our borders chose instead to plunder this country in the passing of a constitutionally violating, economy draining, middle class destroying health care bill. They did not do it then if left to their own choice will not do it now.


Of the 1,933 miles along the border, 1,279 miles is unfenced.

97% of border apprehensions (foreign nationals who are caught being in the U.S. illegally) by the Border Patrol in 2010 occurred at the southwest border.

Texas is the state with by far the longest stretch of land bordering Mexico — yet 91% of its border has no man-made barrier at all.

New Mexico has become a leading frontier in the Trump administration's efforts to secure the border. Though its 180-mile border is currently sealed mostly just by short vehicle barriers, construction is already underway on new replacement fencing.

Throughout much of the Sonoran Desert, which spans Arizona's southern border, the barriers consist solely of short fence posts that prevent vehicles from crossing, but that people can easily step over.

Great Wikipedia information on the border

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier


Please dont let these facts get in the way of an emotional response.

[Serk]

Texas is the state with by far the longest stretch of land bordering Mexico — yet 91% of its border has no man-made barrier at all.

Yup, but at least in Texas we have the Rio Grande.... In New Mexico, Arizona and what's left of California they don't even have that.

But, the river isn't all THAT much of a border... Making it a little Valk related, I rode my Valk here.... that's Mexico on the far bank...

[Robert]

Texas is the state with by far the longest stretch of land bordering Mexico — yet 91% of its border has no man-made barrier at all.

Yup, but at least in Texas we have the Rio Grande.... In New Mexico, Arizona and what's left of California they don't even have that.

But, the river isn't all THAT much of a border... Making it a little Valk related, I rode my Valk here.... that's Mexico on the far bank...

Great shot I love the west, been there and explore quite a bit, but not lucky enough to do it on my Valk.  

[Jersey mike]

I watched the President also and agree still we need to have southern protection.

I do however have a question maybe some of you can help answer.

Since border protection is also considered a national security issue as well as national defense why can’t funding be rolled in the national defense budget and built by Army Corps of Engineers and Sea Bees or with the use of private contractors?

If it’s the cost of not buying a few extra tanks or aircraft for a few years so be it.

[..]

I'll just drop this here. From 2009. How quickly some conveniently forget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAyn89hFIo

[G-Man]

There are video clips after videos clips of Border agents, representatives, upper management and officers with boots on the ground who ALL say the THE WALL (barrier) WORKS WHERE EVER THERE IS ONE IN PLACE!

The ONLY people saying the wall (barrier) will not work are democrat politicians, the lame media, and now Mike.  (Sorry Mike)

The wall (barrier) will be built where ever it can be built.  Of course a wall (barrier) will not be built in the middle of the Rio Grande, but it will allow officers to better patrol the river because they will be spending less time, energy, and resources where a wall is standing.  This is from THEIR mouths, not just the President's.  And it is exactly the OPPOSITE of what the democrats are saying.

According to the REAL experts, not the unnamed ones that the democrats are referring to, the walls (barriers) help funnel people through the ports of entries.  It has also allowed the border patrol to make 400,000 criminal arrests at the ports of entry last year.  Without walls, that number would be dramatically less as the criminals with their illegal contraband would be crossing widespread.

There is NOTHING good about illegal immigration.  Those that are not demanding action and stating that there is no crisis are devoid of humanity.  YES, DEVOID OF HUMANITY.  It means you are perfectly OK with child and female rape and exploitation.  You are fine with employee exploitation, you are fine with human and sex trafficking, you are fine with illegal and counterfeit drug smuggling, you are fine with weapon smuggling, drug mules, slavery, disease, and DEATH.  If you were against any of these things that are all part of illegal immigration, you'd be demanding that this whole thing be shut down once and for all.  But, Democrats are finally proving that they care not for the brown people they profess to champion.  I thought they had been proving this all along with the contempt with which they run our most urban areas, but this is just disgusting.

I guess cheap lettuce and lawn care are more important to Democrats.

DEVOID of humanity.

[Pete]

And they are stupid enough to think they are fooling us.