So our Governor has a sence of humor after all.

[Bighead]

The legacy of slavery, racism and Jim Crow has been an albatross around the necks of African Americans for over 400 years. These pictures rip off the scabs of an excruciatingly painful history and are a piercing reminder of this nation’s sins

African Americans for 400 years unless we are all waaaaaay older than we think there was no such thing as an African American 400 years ago only been a country for 242 yrs.

[scooperhsd]

Regardless of the picture and any explanation either way.
The "gov" is currently demonstrating that he is ethically, morally, mentally, and intelligence challenged.
I really thought better of the voters of VA. They can and should select better folks for office.

It appears that we really need to implement an intelligence test for voters and political folks.

Uh....have not the voters in Tennessee reelected this epitome of virtue ? (Something about glass houses comes to mind)

Rep. Scott DesJarlais

Yes they did, but no where does he condone murder. And he was the best of 2 bad choices, the other was a  .......

See if this helps!

Many of the current political class are currently demonstrating that they are ethically, morally, mentally, and intelligence challenged. I really thought better of the voters. They can and should select better folks for office.

Give me better candidates to vote for and I might.

[DirtyDan]

The legacy of slavery, racism and Jim Crow has been an albatross around the necks of African Americans for over 400 years. These pictures rip off the scabs of an excruciatingly painful history and are a piercing reminder of this nation’s sins

African Americans for 400 years unless we are all waaaaaay older than we think there was no such thing as an African American 400 years ago only been a country for 242 yrs.

AMEN

Dan

[Serk]

Elon Musk is still my favorite African American.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The legacy of slavery, racism and Jim Crow has been an albatross around the necks of African Americans for over 400 years. These pictures rip off the scabs of an excruciatingly painful history and are a piercing reminder of this nation’s sins

African Americans for 400 years unless we are all waaaaaay older than we think there was no such thing as an African American 400 years ago only been a country for 242 yrs.

AMEN

Dan

"America" has been used since the early 1500's. "United States of America" since 1776.

[Willow]

The legacy of slavery, racism and Jim Crow has been an albatross around the necks of African Americans for over 400 years. These pictures rip off the scabs of an excruciatingly painful history and are a piercing reminder of this nation’s sins

African Americans for 400 years unless we are all waaaaaay older than we think there was no such thing as an African American 400 years ago only been a country for 242 yrs.

And while we're caught up in blaming Americans of European descent for the institution of slavery please keep in mind it was other black Africans who captured and sold the African slaves.   

[Bighead]

So sherlock do some digging and tell me when the first African Amercian was documented. And if you find it was before it was THE USA the 400 year argument dont apply as it would have been native Americans ie Indians or the spanish that were importing and enslaving africans so that shoots the whole WHITE man thing down
It was by the Spanish in the 1550’s and we as white people get the credit.  

[Bighead]

The legacy of slavery, racism and Jim Crow has been an albatross around the necks of African Americans for over 400 years. These pictures rip off the scabs of an excruciatingly painful history and are a piercing reminder of this nation’s sins

African Americans for 400 years unless we are all waaaaaay older than we think there was no such thing as an African American 400 years ago only been a country for 242 yrs.

And while we're caught up in blaming Americans of European descent for the institution of slavery please keep in mind it was other black Africans who captured and sold the African slaves.    

yep and who built the Pyramids? .....Slaves!

[The emperor has no clothes]

So sherlock do some digging and tell me when the first African Amercian was documented. And if you find it was before it was THE USA the 400 year argument dont apply as it would have been native Americans ie Indians or the spanish that were importing and enslaving africans so that shoots the whole WHITE man thing down
It was by the Spanish in the 1550’s and we as white people get the credit.  

Per Wikipedia :

There were no laws regarding slavery early in Virginia's history. But, in 1640, a Virginia court sentenced John Punch, an African, to slavery after he attempted to flee his service.[11] The two whites with whom he fled were sentenced only to an additional year of their indenture, and three years' service to the colony.[12] This marked the first legal sanctioning of slavery in the English colonies and was one of the first legal distinctions made between Europeans and Africans.[11][13]


I believe Spain is part of Europe also.

[carolinarider09]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.  It can be edited by anyone. 

Thats what my daughter told me. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.  It can be edited by anyone. 

Thats what my daughter told me. 

Do you believe the info to be incorrect ?

[carolinarider09]

Here is a brief history of slavery.

Just a source, not verified by me but it is what I learned from ready history.  Slavery is not and was not unique to the western world.  

http://www.localhistories.org/slavery.html

And here is an article about countries that still have slaves as of the writing last year

https://www.oxygen.com/very-real/6-countries-where-slavery-still-exists

[The emperor has no clothes]

Here is a brief history of slavery.

Just a source, not verified by me but it is what I learned from ready history.  Slavery is not and was not unique to the western world. 

http://www.localhistories.org/slavery.html

No doubt slavery was practiced around the world. I don't think that mitigates its brutality. The issue that was stated by the poster was that the governor's disrespect of the picture in the yearbook just pours salt in the wound of slavery in this country. Because it was common throughout the world is ilrelevant.

[carolinarider09]

As noted in my modified post, slavery exists in this world today and we routinely buy products from countries that have slaves, for instance China.

If you buy Chinese goods you support slavery in that way.

I don't know what was in the mind of those in the picture.  I can tell you lots of stories from my youth in the south but that is irrelevant.

[Serk]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.  It can be edited by anyone. 

Thats what my daughter told me. 

Do you believe the info to be incorrect ?

It is correct in so far as anyone can edit a Wikipedia article, but it can be reverted if enough people think the edit is bogus.

For the most part, overall, the truth will see through in Wikipedia....

(Edited a few Wikipedia articles myself, not tons, but a few...)

(Of course, I've also been published in the Encyclopedia Britannica, so there's that too... )

[The emperor has no clothes]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.  It can be edited by anyone. 

Thats what my daughter told me. 

Do you believe the info to be incorrect ?

It is correct in so far as anyone can edit a Wikipedia article, but it can be reverted if enough people think the edit is bogus.

For the most part, overall, the truth will see through in Wikipedia....

(Edited a few Wikipedia articles myself, not tons, but a few...)

(Of course, I've also been published in the Encyclopedia Britannica, so there's that too... )

I've been published NOWHERE. But I'm confident enough in my knowledge of history that the use of slaves by "whites" in America predated the formation of the United States of America by some time.

[Serk]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.  It can be edited by anyone.  

Thats what my daughter told me.  

Do you believe the info to be incorrect ?

It is correct in so far as anyone can edit a Wikipedia article, but it can be reverted if enough people think the edit is bogus.

For the most part, overall, the truth will see through in Wikipedia....

(Edited a few Wikipedia articles myself, not tons, but a few...)

(Of course, I've also been published in the Encyclopedia Britannica, so there's that too... )

I've been published NOWHERE. But I'm confident enough in my knowledge of history that the use of slaves by "whites" in America predated the formation of the United States of America by some time.

Yup.... Captured and sold by black and Muslim slave traders.

Kinda ironic you specify "white" slave owners, since (one of) the very first slave owner in "America" was a black man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)

[The emperor has no clothes]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.  It can be edited by anyone.  

Thats what my daughter told me.  

Do you believe the info to be incorrect ?

It is correct in so far as anyone can edit a Wikipedia article, but it can be reverted if enough people think the edit is bogus.

For the most part, overall, the truth will see through in Wikipedia....

(Edited a few Wikipedia articles myself, not tons, but a few...)

(Of course, I've also been published in the Encyclopedia Britannica, so there's that too... )

I've been published NOWHERE. But I'm confident enough in my knowledge of history that the use of slaves by "whites" in America predated the formation of the United States of America by some time.

Yup.... Captured and sold by black and Muslim slave traders.

Kinda ironic you specify "white" slave owners, since (one of) the very first slave owner in "America" was a black man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)

I only specified "white" because a previous poster tried to say whites were being blamed when it should be native Americans or Spaniards being blamed.

[Serk]

Well that didn't age so well...

[baldo]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.  It can be edited by anyone.  

Thats what my daughter told me.  

Do you believe the info to be incorrect ?

It is correct in so far as anyone can edit a Wikipedia article, but it can be reverted if enough people think the edit is bogus.

For the most part, overall, the truth will see through in Wikipedia....

(Edited a few Wikipedia articles myself, not tons, but a few...)

(Of course, I've also been published in the Encyclopedia Britannica, so there's that too... )

I've been published NOWHERE. But I'm confident enough in my knowledge of history that the use of slaves by "whites" in America predated the formation of the United States of America by some time.

Yup.... Captured and sold by black and Muslim slave traders.

Kinda ironic you specify "white" slave owners, since (one of) the very first slave owner in "America" was a black man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)

I only specified "white" because a previous poster tried to say whites were being blamed when it should be native Americans or Spaniards being blamed.

Whew, I'm dizzy...

[hubcapsc]

No doubt slavery was practiced around the world.

Slavery is practiced around the world.

I don't think that mitigates its brutality.

It is still slavery, even without brutality. But check places like scholarly history
books and the United States census to find where slaves flourished (that
is, their population grew immensely) after the end of the slave trade,
and where their population was imperiled (that is, they were worked to
death and the institution was unsustainable) after the end of the trade.

If you could find a Southern slave's memoir that wasn't cherry-picked and ghost-written
by an abolitionist yankee, what would it say? Omar Ibn Said's memoir was
written in his own hand in Arabic, in it he "acknowledges [his] 'good' treatment
at the hands of his owners."

Haters of slavery who believe in the grotesquely-horrible-Southern-white-person myth
need to be supporting Trump's anti-human-trafficking border security plans to
keep from seeming like hypocrites.

-Mike "slavery is... not was"

[The emperor has no clothes]

No doubt slavery was practiced around the world.

Slavery is practiced around the world.

I don't think that mitigates its brutality.

It is still slavery, even without brutality. But check places like scholarly history
books and the United States census to find where slaves flourished (that
is, their population grew immensely) after the end of the slave trade,
and where their population was imperiled (that is, they were worked to
death and the institution was unsustainable) after the end of the trade.

If you could find a Southern slave's memoir that wasn't cherry-picked and ghost-written
by an abolitionist yankee, what would it say? Omar Ibn Said's memoir was
written in his own hand in Arabic, in it he "acknowledges [his] 'good' treatment
at the hands of his owners."

Haters of slavery who believe in the grotesquely-horrible-Southern-white-person myth
need to be supporting Trump's anti-human-trafficking border security plans to
keep from seeming like hypocrites.

-Mike "slavery is... not was"

Mike, you are right slavery still is happening in many places. You are also right that many slaves were treated well by their masters.
  But, it doesn't change the fact that slavery was and is a terrible blight on our history and probably history of other countries.

[Gavin_Sons]

maybe instead of building a wall we can capture these illegal immigrants and make them slaves. Have auctions every saturday. That way Americans are getting cheap work done and the illegals are where they want to be. Everyone wins. Just a thought.

[Serk]

maybe instead of building a wall we can capture these illegal immigrants and make them slaves. Have auctions every saturday. That way Americans are getting cheap work done and the illegals are where they want to be. Everyone wins. Just a thought.

In a way that's already happening. Whenever I hear someone justifying illegal invaders because they keep the price of produce down, I think of this:

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think it goes more like :

2019 Republicans- who’s going to manicure our golf courses ? 

[Serk]

I think it goes more like :

2019 Republicans- who’s going to manicure our golf courses ? 

We're drifting pretty far from the original topic of the racist Democrat (But I repeat myself ) governor of Virginia, but no argument there are Republicans on the wrong side on this issue as well..... I want strong border security, strong and immediate deportations of all illegals AND extreme punishments for any business that hires an illegal as well; attack the problem from both sides.

So, anyone wanna make odds on if the Virginia Governor is still the governor by tonight? End of week? How long ya'll think he'll hang on?

I'm expecting a press conference this afternoon, but we'll see...

[hubcapsc]

maybe instead of building a wall we can capture these illegal immigrants and make them slaves. Have auctions every saturday. That way Americans are getting cheap work done and the illegals are where they want to be. Everyone wins. Just a thought.

In a way that's already happening. Whenever I hear someone justifying illegal invaders because they keep the price of produce down, I think of this:

Cheap agricultural labor was what Southern slavery stemmed from. And it is what
illegal immigration is all about. Soon, maybe, tech will solve the  cheap agricultural labor
problem.

-Mike "in developed countries, anyhow"

[Gavin_Sons]

I'm not really upset with the Governor. I mean how far back are we willing to go to prove someone wrong? Back when he did this it was a very different time. Just like kavanaugh, they tried to go back to when he was a teenager. I would never hold someone accountable for something stupid they did when they were in high school or even college. I know many very successful people that did some very stupid things in high school and college. Leave the past in the past and only focus on what kind of person they are today. My friends can tell you some crazy stories about me when i was in high school and college that have nothing to do with the person i am today. I don't want those stories going public because i am not proud of them but damn did we have some good times.

[scooperhsd]

Has he actually committed a crime that they could impeach him for (if that is an option in the Commonwealth of Virginia) ?

If not, they can't force him out of office. His effectiveness may be reduced substantially, but.....

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think it goes more like :

2019 Republicans- who’s going to manicure our golf courses ? 

We're drifting pretty far from the original topic of the racist Democrat (But I repeat myself ) governor of Virginia, but no argument there are Republicans on the wrong side on this issue as well..... I want strong border security, strong and immediate deportations of all illegals AND extreme punishments for any business that hires an illegal as well; attack the problem from both sides.

So, anyone wanna make odds on if the Virginia Governor is still the governor by tonight? End of week? How long ya'll think he'll hang on?

I'm expecting a press conference this afternoon, but we'll see...

It’s hard to say when big politician egos are at play.  But, I would think he’d see the writing on the wall and quit today. (He should have days ago)

[Serk]

Citizen Clinton has spoken.

[Alberta Patriot]

Here is an example of Virginia Democrat sense of humor  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVckRJvuBQY

[Serk]

Here is an example of Virginia Democrat sense of humor  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVckRJvuBQY

Well that surely didn't age well...

[Willow]

Interesting discussion, assumption and likely distortion of the picture from the original post.  It has nothing to do with slavery and probably very little directly to do with racism.  

It couldn't be about negro slavery as that didn't exist concurrent with the KKK.  All of you with your panties in a wad over slavery need to get off the platform.

At the time the picture was taken it was probably a representation of two groups as strongly opposed as could be found sharing a drink and social time.  Perhaps it was something seen as humorous at some sort of costume party.  Interesting that in these days of political "correctness" folks jump to the conclusion that anyone wearing a particular costume is in support of what the costume reflects.  Perhaps our children on Halloween should be more careful about dressing up as devils and goblins or even of those species discriminate fairies.

(Surely, Serk. Surely.)   

[Serk]

(Surely, Serk. Surely.)   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2K7sV-K74

[Jess from VA]

I don't like Northam, his politics or his party at all, and I sure didn't vote for him.

I'd like to see him gone on general principle, but we'd just get his Lt Governor, who seems like a good man though he'd likely do just about everything Northam would do in a 2.0 version.

But I have long been fed up with political correctness witch hunts (or just made up witch hunts), and political assassinations where the media takes control of the narrative and steers public opinion from their supposed helm.  Judge Kavanaugh was the most recent example of this disgraceful behavior, but it happens all the time.  

If all anyone has on Northam (a VMI graduate, 15 years after it was integrated, and an Army doctor and good family man), is an old college prank photograph (which is no crime at all), with no other evidence or indicia of personal or professional racism, or KKK support, then all he fairly deserves is a stern reprimand, which he has obviously already gotten.

I think he stays (if he wants to), and the VA legislature does not have the will (or the evidence) to remove him.  He may decide to go, but that's up to him.  And the upside on him staying is, we probably wouldn't see him taking the lead in any new controversial left wing moves or tactics (though he'd probably quietly vote for all of them, just like our two D senators).

I also think all his fellow D's calling for his resignation know all this, and are going public just to be seen (by their voter base) to be on the right (left) side of the fence on the issue, and also to support the useful viability of keeping PC witch hunts alive and well.  But secretly, they all hope he stays.  The PC righteous indignation thing is really getting old and tiresome.

Let him without sin cast the first stone. (esp 35yo sin)

  

[Serk]

but we'd just get his Lt Governor, who seems like a good man though he'd likely do just about everything Northam would do in a 2.0 version.

Or maybe not...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-lt-gov-fairfax-denies-sexual-assault-allegation-amid-political-storm

[scooperhsd]

I don't like Northam, his politics or his party at all, and I sure didn't vote for him.

I'd like to see him gone on general principle, but we'd just get his Lt Governor, who seems like a good man though he'd likely do just about everything Northam would do in a 2.0 version.

But I have long been fed up with political correctness witch hunts (or just made up witch hunts), and political assassinations where the media takes control of the narrative and steers public opinion from their supposed helm.  Judge Kavanaugh was the most recent example of this disgraceful behavior, but it happens all the time. 

If all anyone has on Northam (a VMI graduate, 15 years after it was integrated, and an Army doctor and good family man), is an old college prank photograph (which is no crime at all), with no other evidence or indicia of personal or professional racism, or KKK support, then all he fairly deserves is a stern reprimand, which he has obviously already gotten.

I think he stays (if he wants to), and the VA legislature does not have the will (or the evidence) to remove him.  He may decide to go, but that's up to him.  And the upside on him staying is, we probably wouldn't see him taking the lead in any new controversial left wing moves or tactics (though he'd probably quietly vote for all of them, just like our two D senators).

I also think all his fellow D's calling for his resignation know all this, and are going public just to be seen (by their voter base) to be on the right (left) side of the fence on the issue, and also to support the useful viability of keeping PC witch hunts alive and well.  But secretly, they all hope he stays.  The PC righteous indignation thing is really getting old and tiresome.

Let him without sin cast the first stone. (esp 35yo sin)

   

I have to agree with you. I'm getting REALLY TIRED of all the PC crap with out any consequences for false accusations.

 Maybe we do need to start exercising "White Power" to counteract this. I don't mean in a mean destructrive sense, but more in a "we have changed, and we're getting tired of the old tired cliches when anyone finds an old picture / video / etc. History is just that - and if you don't have anything current to accuse me with, then drop it."

One of the worst racists in American politics was President Lyndon Johnson - the very one who pushed through the Civil Rights acts.

[Skinhead]

I think it goes more like :

2019 Republicans- who’s going to manicure our golf courses ? 

Retired GM workers do it here, don't know bout where you live.

[Moonshot_1]

In all this I have yet to hear why the men were dressed as they were in the photo. I see shear irrationality to go from zero to total absolute condemnation with out wanting to know why they were dressed like that in the first place.

Could it have been part of a skit slamming the KKK and/or racism?

To date, this issue not withstanding, there has been no display whatsoever of any continuing or chronic institutional racism on the part of the Governor. Get a video of him burning crosses on the front yard of a black family then you got something. But there is nothing really there except a strange photo in a yearbook with no context whatsoever.

I deeply am opposed to his political bend but that doesn't mean it is open season on the guy.

And even if this plays out to be an ill advised event he participated in, does his career mirror that isolated event?

If this is to be the standard then it should be the standard for all.
Tax returns? We don't need no tax returns (and we don't). We need your high school year book and kindergarten report card.