A serious question for Meathead.

[threevalks]

 Meathead,
      I have been told by a good friend of mine and also yours , (who does not agree with your political views) that you are really and truly a nice guy. My question to you Sir, is why do you insist on stirring crap on this board? You know how everyone on the board feels, so why not just leave it alone and be the nice guy you are at heart.
       I am yet to meet you, if you're attending Inzane, I will do my best to look you up and decide for myself what kind of feller you are.

[Willow]

Threevalks, it would be good to also ask the question of the right wingers who constantly deluge the board with the same political opinion with news articles, copy and paste, and such.

I have my political positions and opinions.  I will give them when asked.  I may take the effort to tell someone once but I do not feel the need to tell folks over and over where I stand.

The world, this board, would be a better place if more people would follow my example.   

[threevalks]

Willow, I agree 100%. Yes, there are a few (maybe several) hard cores that are quick to jump on the wagon, but IMHO not just try to stir as often.

[Willow]

Willow, I agree 100%. Yes, there are a few (maybe several) hard cores that are quick to jump on the wagon, but IMHO not just try to stir as often.

Threevalks, until recently, meathead and baldo were able to truthfully brag that they did not start any controversial threads but only replied to what was put there by someone else.  Some of our members intentionally and repeatedly post post politically controversial, sometimes crap, threads.  That too is stirring the pot.

The problem is being fueled from both sides. (IMHO)  Meathead does carry some guilt but he's in a crowd of at least a half dozen posters.

I'm not disagreeing with your post.  I'm just saying it seems a little narrower than it should be.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead,
      I have been told by a good friend of mine and also yours , (who does not agree with your political views) that you are really and truly a nice guy. My question to you Sir, is why do you insist on stirring poop on this board? You know how everyone on the board feels, so why not just leave it alone and be the nice guy you are at heart.
       I am yet to meet you, if you're attending Inzane, I will do my best to look you up and decide for myself what kind of feller you are.

threevalks, I hope to meet you also. I can't remember if you were at Roanoke or not. If so, I'm sorry we didn't meet. I will try to answer your question as honestly as I can. If I considered my postings as "stirring poop" I wouldn't do them. I think I'm a good guy. I care about this club, this country, this society. I should not get involved in politics here. It never (or seldom) ends well. I'm not sure if I can separate it from the person I am though. I shall try to do better with that. I'm not sure this is a correct analogy, but I wonder if the phrase "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" applies here ?


 To address the recent thread I started of How many pages ? Contrary to what some think, it truly was a curious question of just that. I was kind of proud of myself, and kind of disappointed that I was at 150 some pages. I had a feeling many others, included in this club, were finished or way ahead of me. I knew there would be many that weren't going to read it at all. I figured it at about half the people. From the responses, my calculations were off. After a couple attempts to steer it back, "resistance was futile". I then got myself sucked in to the vortex.
 The thing I was most sorry about before taking a small hiatus was that I had let myself get sucked in to the point of ridiculing other members. I think I've been able to conquer that, and I feel good about that. Maybe, I can conquer staying away from politics here.
 As to your discussion with our mutual friend. You really didn't narrow it down much by saying we have opposite political views.   To all my friends I've met here, I will try to do better. Regardless, I will always consider you all my friends.








Man, those couple paragraphs felt like a counselling session.

[Oss]

I wasnt asked but I will post as it is a free board

Having met  "Meathead" in person, ate and drank and ridden Valkyrie's with him I do believe he
is a good well intentioned fellow and  his wife is top notch. (heck she has to be the most patient woman around)

However the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Some of us (sometimes me too) have the need to post away at whatever we read, whether here, facebook or whatever.   Others never post but just read.  It takes all kinds and I wish I was the kind that just reads sometimes.  


I probably should do another imaginary scenario post (search is your friend)  so we can laugh at ourselves, but the amount of scotch required to come up with a good sketch is beyond my capacity now.

Instead I will just laugh at the back and forth between the left (Baldo and Meathead) and the right
(Gavin, Mad6 and many others), the barrister (Jess) and the libertarian computer Geek ( I am just slowly backing away Serk) We all know who stands for what by now don't we??

HIJACK   This was the original thread  How many no longer post  or ride?
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,30414.0.html

[Gavin_Sons]

There is a very slight chance it is with good intentions some of the things he posts. Given his track record it would seem he likes to stir the pot and eventually will have to lick the spoon. Has that time arrived? 

[Leathel]

There is a very slight chance it is with good intentions some of the things he posts. Given his track record it would seem he likes to stir the pot and eventually will have to lick the spoon. Has that time arrived? 

I read far to many political posts just to get a feel on what's happening over there, So I get a view without the emotion of being there

 I feel a lot of the stirring the pot....is just different views, there is plenty that post opposing views to his but its not called stirring the pot because it's the same view as those that lean or are hard right.....when is a different opinion "stirring the pot" ....when it opposes the right? Seams that way


 

[Hook#3287]

threevalks, if both you and Rob make it to Inzane this year, take the time to hunt him down and share a beverage of your choice.

It won't be a waste of time.

[Willow]

...
 I feel a lot of the stirring the pot....is just different views, there is plenty that post opposing views to his but its not called stirring the pot because it's the same view as those that lean or are hard right.....when is a different opinion "stirring the pot" ....when it opposes the right? Seams that way

For what it's worth I call it stirring the pot whichever direction it comes from.  Some of the loudest accusers of pot stirring are, in fact, habitual pot stirrers themselves.

[Serk]

threevalks, if both you and Rob make it to Inzane this year, take the time to hunt him down and share a beverage of your choice.

It won't be a waste of time.

If ya'll both make it to Taos, find me, first adult beverage is on me for both of you.

(The FedEx guy can join us too... )

[Jess from VA]

Lethal, the plain truth is that the clear majority of regular posters on this board are conservative (mildly to strongly).  So when that majority discuss current events from an identical (or at least similar) point of view, no pot is stirred (except that maybe two members may take exception).  When the non conservatives post, it is sometimes fashioned to stir legitimate discussion (which should be accepted as such), but sometimes it seems aimed only at poking people in the eye or starting an argument (and with some degree of glee).  This invariably brings rapid replies (from a few) that are also intended to poke in the eye (tit for tat, and also with some degree of glee).  And then the thread spirals down from there.

I for one am glad we are allowed to discuss current events and politics (many non-political forums don't allow it).  The attempt should be to discuss the facts and the relative merits of policy or politics, and not to make personal attacks; or to word your posts in such a way as to intentionally draw or bait the other side into an argument.  Now a civil argument or disagreement which sticks to the facts and merits of an issue should be possible without becoming personal or trading pokes in the eye.  Should be.

As a strong conservative, I enjoy most political posts here, and I have participated in civil discussions with those who disagree with me.  But what I don't do is rise to baiting posts or those that I think can only go south, or to those which keep asking the same question (over and over) with different words.  Then, silence is golden.

In a court of law, it can be argued that silence is evidence of an admission (or agreement).  But not on here.   When anyone posts something that clearly looks like bait for an argument, silence is the best remedy.

[Leathel]

...
 I feel a lot of the stirring the pot....is just different views, there is plenty that post opposing views to his but its not called stirring the pot because it's the same view as those that lean or are hard right.....when is a different opinion "stirring the pot" ....when it opposes the right? Seams that way

For what it's worth I call it stirring the pot whichever direction it comes from.  Some of the loudest accusers of pot stirring are, in fact, habitual pot stirrers themselves.

I firmly believe politics and interest forums should not mix, it brings more separation to the group....this is pretty much the only one I am on that allows politics.... Might actually get some more bike talk if those posting on politics had not spent the time typing about politics.....whoops I just wasted time, I could have been talking about bikes

I posted before seeing the post above, will read it and maybe add more later.....still at work and need to do some

[baldo]

threevalks, if both you and Rob make it to Inzane this year, take the time to hunt him down and share a beverage of your choice.

It won't be a waste of time.

If ya'll both make it to Taos, find me, first adult beverage is on me for both of you.

(The FedEx guy can join us too... )

[RainMaker]

I am happy to call Rob a friend.  I like Bob (Baldo) too.  We don't agree politically but sometimes their remarks get me to thinking about the alternate view of a subject.  And that's OK.  I feel confident they love our country just as much as I do.   

I don't see where we will get anywhere without some compromise.

[Rams]

I don't see where we will get anywhere without some compromise.

Compromise can often be found in many areas.  Values and core beliefs can not be compromised.   It's part of who and what we are (regardless of what they are).

Rams

[Reb]

I am happy to call Rob a friend.  I like Bob (Baldo) too.  We don't agree politically but sometimes their remarks get me to thinking about the alternate view of a subject.  And that's OK.  I feel confident they love our country just as much as I do.  

I don't see where we will get anywhere without some compromise.

To compromise, both sides need a common enemy.

Willow is the most qualified candidate to be that person, for the sake of peace.  

[Skinhead]

For the record, I think both Meathead and baldo are stand-up guys, and enjoy talking(arguing?) with them.  I enjoy the political posts, minus the insults and name calling, when it happens.  I have always enjoyed this site for the technical info and ride reports, but after seeing many and gaining knowledge about the bike, I find some of the political and non Valk related posts to be more interesting.  The post relating some personal experiences, or non-valk requests for advice are also interesting.  I really regret that so many truly interesting characters have left or no longer post because of the political posts, I wish they would have instead learned to just skip the posts they don't care for.  This is a unique forum, with exceptional members, a real treasure.  I have to give Willow credit for not going too postal over some of the antics here.  I guess that is the price of freedom, you can't always have it your way.  Ride safely my friends , and lift one for me at IZ, unfortunately I doubt I will make it this year.  Keith, you'll get along just fine with Meat and baldo, just remember, they can't help it they're wrong.  

[baldo]

 Keith, you'll get along just fine with Meat and baldo, just remember, they can't help it they're wrong.  

[vanavyman]

Politically I'm a very Conservative person but have learned from my personal life and social circle that almost no one will get their mind changed by a long discussion on Politics.  My son is a Fiscal Conservative and Liberal on  Social issues.  We have very long discussions but neither change our original thoughts.  I try and stay out of Political discussions on this board and Facebook.   Much more fun to just read others thoughts.  It is nice that they can be discussed on this board.  Would be a little boring during the winter without a few of them to read.
Dan

[solo1]

As a former politician (and rider), our family always discussed politics. I always wished that small town politics could be applied to big town politics. More doing and less scrambling for position.

At any rate, my son, Mark, is really strong on his opinion and I've tried to moderate my position so that he could note and do the same.  It hasn't worked very well for him.

Since I no longer attend VRCC doings, I no longer meet in person so I must take that into account. Based on previous meets, I always found, like most of us, in person meets are nothing like online.

I will try to have Mark tone it down as he, like others, comes out a little too strong.  

As Dennis says, above all, Ride Safe!

Wayne, still Solo1

[The emperor has no clothes]

 Keith, you'll get along just fine with Meat and baldo, just remember, they can't help it they're wrong.  

Why’d you have to bring the Chinese in on this Bob ? 

[Valkorado]

This is a unique forum, with exceptional members, a real treasure.

It's an eccentric, dysfunctional family.  Our love for this old beast of a bike is the common bond.

[RDAbull]

threevalks, if both you and Rob make it to Inzane this year, take the time to hunt him down and share a beverage of your choice.

It won't be a waste of time.

If ya'll both make it to Taos, find me, first adult beverage is on me for both of you.

(The FedEx guy can join us too... )

I can have extremely strong opinions too...…………..for free beer of course.

[Skinhead]

  Keith, you'll get along just fine with Meat and baldo, just remember, they can't help it they're wrong.  

Why’d you have to bring the Chinese in on this Bob ? 

You Lefties have to get the commies involved in everything.  You Just can't help yourselves!

[Serk]

threevalks, if both you and Rob make it to Inzane this year, take the time to hunt him down and share a beverage of your choice.

It won't be a waste of time.

If ya'll both make it to Taos, find me, first adult beverage is on me for both of you.

(The FedEx guy can join us too... )

I can have extremely strong opinions too...…………..for free beer of course.

Well sure, I'll let you buy us a free beer to hear our extremely strong opinions, I'm good with that!