Countdown to government shutdown

[BF]

We've been prepping out faciltiy for a shutdown all weekend (it's an involved process....you don't just turn out the lights and lock the doors and walk away). 

I'll be going into work this afternoon for the evening shift.  Who knows if it's for the last time or not.

Everyone has been told to show up Tuesday morning. 

We'll either be sent right back home, or resume business as usual.

If we're sent home, we won't be paid. 

Working for the government used to be considered a stable job/career.  Definitely not anymore.   

Welcome to the new normal. 

                        

[POPS 57]

I hear you. Worked for the V.A. Hospital in Mpls. M.N. for forty years. Its all a game to them. 

[BF]

I don't know if anyone else saw it, but on CNN this morning, Congressman Steve Israel, a DEMOCRAT, was asked if it was fair for them to lose their paycheck if the government shuts down. 

Guess what his answer was....(remember....he's a democrat).  He said that he needs his check and that it was totally fair for him to continue to receive his pay and his pay should NOT be stopped.  He went on to say that the Republicans that are against him should have their pay stopped, but all of the Dems that are on his side should keep getting paid. 

Geeeeesh.   

[musclehead]

I don't know if anyone else saw it, but on CNN this morning, Congressman Steve Israel, a DEMOCRAT, was asked if it was fair for them to lose their paycheck if the government shuts down. 

Guess what his answer was....(remember....he's a democrat).  He said that he needs his check and that it was totally fair for him to continue to receive his pay and his pay should NOT be stopped.  He went on to say that the Republicans that are against him should have their pay stopped, but all of the Dems that are on his side should keep getting paid. 

Geeeeesh.   

you expect him to lose money? I mean they already gave up the insider trading they used to do legally on our dime. 

[Patrick]

This friggin congress is broken, both sides. But, the democrats want this shut-down. Both obama and reid have stated that they are not compromising at all. I wonder how many members were around during the last one [1995-96] that lasted about 3 weeks ?
If it happens I'm afraid this admin. will make it as difficult as possible on the working public, just like they wanted to do during the sequestration.
I feel for the folks that get caught up in this ridiculousness.
I'd like to know how much it is costing us just building up for it, whether it happens or not.


PS. Our fearless president was just on now saying he is willing to talk and compromise as long as there is no compromise. Sounds right. One problem is that he is trying to confuse this issue with the debt limit. He is supposed to talk again about 5PM. It may be interesting.

[old2soon]

What's all the deception central politicians at the bottom of lake Superior?? A small but GOOD start.  And yup-I know it's bad for the water.  Get rid of every damn one of them-new crop got 6 months to turn it around or they are gone to.  And keep doing it til they get it right. And most of ya'll know what's right before you ask. RIDE SAFE.

[ValkISDan]

Wouldn't it be great if the Gov shut down and nobody cared!

[Gavin_Sons]

Wouldn't it be great if the Gov shut down and nobody cared!

I dont care

[PAVALKER]

They won't let it shut down for long..... imagine how it would look for them when everyone realized it didn't do anything significant except to those that work in Government, minus those lawmakers who exempted themselves from those pay cuts.     

[GotValk]

Hope this doesn't turn into Rioting all over this country.   
I think everyone is tired of our politics .... Just read our board sometime.

God Bless America!

[POPS 57]

If you don't care. Watch your 401 if this happens. Then get back to us with your real thoughts. 

[Gavin_Sons]

Still dont care, have to have a 401k before you can care about it.

[eric in md]

sure hope the power and water gets shut off in the big house in the middle of dc also.  hows this change helping anybody?

[Gavin_Sons]

Somehow it will help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Obama wants everyone to rely on the government to live. Just another stupid scheme of his.

[RP#62]

If you don't care. Watch your 401 if this happens. Then get back to us with your real thoughts. 

Last time around, the market actually picked up a bit knowing that there would be a period however brief, of no government interference.  Course, I'd imagine that would change if it were for an extended period.  

Tell me something though.  When the government opens back up, do the federal workers get backpay or are they just out the money.  Not trying to be an asshole (well maybe a little), just want to know.

-RP

[eric in md]

bonus ...   and vacation pay welcome to usa ..its all wrong

[WayneH]

If you don't care. Watch your 401 if this happens. Then get back to us with your real thoughts. 

Last time around, the market actually picked up a bit knowing that there would be a period however brief, of no government interference.  Course, I'd imagine that would change if it were for an extended period.  

Tell me something though.  When the government opens back up, do the federal workers get backpay or are they just out the money.  Not trying to be an asshole (well maybe a little), just want to know.

-RP

That is not correct.  Stocks dropped last time... a lot... and already the market is reacting to this latest case of Republican malfeasance by dropping today... with more to come.

Those who believe in fairy tales think that shutting down the government, or worse, failing to increase the debt ceiling, have no economic consequences.

But, the opposite is true... the consequences and the negative impact to the USA will grow increasingly larger as the Republicans continue to attempt their hostage taking of the US economy.

[Romeo]

Seems to me, we should all dock the assholes for the days they arent working. I paid my employees, and they are MY employees, to a certain amount of money to do their job. When are we going to learn? They do our bidding, not the other way around.

[Romeo]

Wayne H, i think if you check all the facts, you will find the stock market rebounded quite nicely after the last shutdown. It took seven days, to surpass where it was before the shutdown.

[Master Blaster]

But, the opposite is true... the consequences and the negative impact to the USA will grow increasingly larger as the Republicans continue to attempt their hostage taking of the US economy

Hey there is blame on both sides, but the Repubs did pass a bill to fund the government.  The Dems are the ones that are aaying its my way or the highway.

[Rams]

Republicans continue to attempt their hostage taking of the US economy.

Hmm, well that's one perspective on who's holding who hostage.    The way I see it, when the Liberals voted to put Obama Care in place, they took most of America hostage, at least working, tax paying Americans.    But, that's just my perspective.    

What I see is a the balance returning to government (to a certain extent) and voices other than Liberal Democrats being heard.    

[ValkISDan]

You guys are right, lets just keep kicking the can down the road. That has not worked for anybody else in the history of the world except our current Gov. Deal with the spending now or our country is not going to recover, end of story!

[Jess from VA]

If you don't care. Watch your 401 if this happens. Then get back to us with your real thoughts. 

Last time around, the market actually picked up a bit knowing that there would be a period however brief, of no government interference.  Course, I'd imagine that would change if it were for an extended period.  

Tell me something though.  When the government opens back up, do the federal workers get backpay or are they just out the money.  Not trying to be an asshole (well maybe a little), just want to know.

-RP

Last time, when they reopened, everyone got back pay. 

As an employee, I was not responsible, but I still felt we should not be paid for work not performed.   

[WayneH]

Wayne H, i think if you check all the facts, you will find the stock market rebounded quite nicely after the last shutdown. It took seven days, to surpass where it was before the shutdown.

I'll look that up and be back tomorrow... bedtime.

[Serk]

Wayne H, i think if you check all the facts, you will find the stock market rebounded quite nicely after the last shutdown. It took seven days, to surpass where it was before the shutdown.

I'll look that up and be back tomorrow... bedtime.

I'm such a nice guy, I'll save you the trouble:

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-09-27/business/42453331_1_shutdowns-stock-market-debt-ceiling

But in the last major pair of shutdowns, from November 1995 to January 1996, the stock market actually rose.


SHUTDOWNS OF MORE THAN 10 DAYS:

— 1976 Shutdown:

From Sept 30 to Oct. 11 under President Ford. S&P 500 goes from 105.24 to 101.64.

— 1977 Shutdown:

From Sept. 30 to Oct. 13 under Carter. S&P 500 starts at 96.53 and ends at 93.46.

— 1978 Shutdown:

From Sept. 30 to Oct. 18 under Carter. S&P starts at 102.54 and ends at 100.49.

— 1979 Shutdown:

From Sept. 30 to Oct. 12 under Carter. S&P goes from 108.56 to 104.49.

— 1995-1996 Shutdown:

From Nov. 14 to Nov. 19, 1995, under Clinton, the S&P goes from 592.30 to 600.07. And from Dec. 15 to Jan. 6, 1996, the S&P goes from 616.92 to 616.71.

[Serk]

R.E.M. - It's The End Of The World

[art]

The people voted for change .They got it.

[franco6]

the haves like everything to go to hell, they strive on it . that s the way to get more . they don t care, their money is safe, they have good secure spots all over the world. they don t care about you or me or anyone else. it s all a big game!

[Patrick]

Wayne H, i think if you check all the facts, you will find the stock market rebounded quite nicely after the last shutdown. It took seven days, to surpass where it was before the shutdown.

I'll look that up and be back tomorrow... bedtime.

It would be nice if you looked everything up before you start typing.

[musclehead]

R.E.M. - It's The End Of The World

my favorite REM tune 

[musclehead]

If you don't care. Watch your 401 if this happens. Then get back to us with your real thoughts. 

Last time around, the market actually picked up a bit knowing that there would be a period however brief, of no government interference.  Course, I'd imagine that would change if it were for an extended period.  

Tell me something though.  When the government opens back up, do the federal workers get backpay or are they just out the money.  Not trying to be an asshole (well maybe a little), just want to know.

-RP

That is not correct.  Stocks dropped last time... a lot... and already the market is reacting to this latest case of Republican malfeasance by dropping today... with more to come.

Those who believe in fairy tales think that shutting down the government, or worse, failing to increase the debt ceiling, have no economic consequences.

But, the opposite is true... the consequences and the negative impact to the USA will grow increasingly larger as the Republicans continue to attempt their hostage taking of the US economy.

it takes two to tango my friend, just because the prez has a bully pulpit and the dems have a duplicitous ally in the media doesn't make it so.
the word is compromise, this is a new term to the dems who have been having their way with the repub led house. now they NEED the house to get this done and they have burned every political bridge there is. no longer can the leadership in the senate just table bills they don't like...

[Ice]

I find the views in this thread quite interesting.
As for the question will the Furloughed employee's get back pay, well they may and they may not, however it matters none at the moment when the bills come and you do not have the money to pay them. We were told to call your financial institutions and see if they will work with you and if not oh well your screwed. The bills still come no matter what, and if we get back pay it is taxed at a higher % anyhow so again BOHICA.
In my opinion (yeah I know we all have one) its both parties fault and it does not matter to them seeing as they still get paid and can do whatever they want, we the small ones pay for their games, its a tempertantrum that they are having and we are the ones suffering.
For all the ones that say they do not care, you do not have to unless this shutdown goes for an extended time because then you will also feel it, maybe not like us "lazy" government workers but you will feel it.
I care because I work my ass off in my job and this is the second time ina few months that my pay gets docked because of the idiots in DC, through no fault of my own and now I am stuck trying to make the bills.
How Many of you can go without a paycheck and still make the mortgage Pay the bills and feed your kids? If there is mor ethan a handful I must realy be doing something wrong.....

[The emperor has no clothes]

I find the views in this thread quite interesting.
As for the question will the Furloughed employee's get back pay, well they may and they may not, however it matters none at the moment when the bills come and you do not have the money to pay them. We were told to call your financial institutions and see if they will work with you and if not oh well your screwed. The bills still come no matter what, and if we get back pay it is taxed at a higher % anyhow so again BOHICA.
In my opinion (yeah I know we all have one) its both parties fault and it does not matter to them seeing as they still get paid and can do whatever they want, we the small ones pay for their games, its a tempertantrum that they are having and we are the ones suffering.
For all the ones that say they do not care, you do not have to unless this shutdown goes for an extended time because then you will also feel it, maybe not like us "lazy" government workers but you will feel it.
I care because I work my ass off in my job and this is the second time ina few months that my pay gets docked because of the idiots in DC, through no fault of my own and now I am stuck trying to make the bills.
How Many of you can go without a paycheck and still make the mortgage Pay the bills and feed your kids? If there is mor ethan a handful I must realy be doing something wrong.....

I`m sorry you are put in this position. You are right its both parties fault. A lot of people seem to think we don't need the govt. or govt. workers and they are lazy and do nothing. But there a lot of us who do realize what the govt. and its workers do for our country. Hang in there, hopefully the turmoil will be over soon. Just know that the majority of the posters here don't represent the majority of the people.

[f6john]

I find the views in this thread quite interesting.
As for the question will the Furloughed employee's get back pay, well they may and they may not, however it matters none at the moment when the bills come and you do not have the money to pay them. We were told to call your financial institutions and see if they will work with you and if not oh well your screwed. The bills still come no matter what, and if we get back pay it is taxed at a higher % anyhow so again BOHICA.
In my opinion (yeah I know we all have one) its both parties fault and it does not matter to them seeing as they still get paid and can do whatever they want, we the small ones pay for their games, its a tempertantrum that they are having and we are the ones suffering.
For all the ones that say they do not care, you do not have to unless this shutdown goes for an extended time because then you will also feel it, maybe not like us "lazy" government workers but you will feel it.
I care because I work my ass off in my job and this is the second time ina few months that my pay gets docked because of the idiots in DC, through no fault of my own and now I am stuck trying to make the bills.
How Many of you can go without a paycheck and still make the mortgage Pay the bills and feed your kids? If there is mor ethan a handful I must realy be doing something wrong.....

       Sounds like you either need to find a different job or form a union! I know that sounds cold but I'm not sure all government workers feel the pain that many in the public feel when the President and the Congress decide to take a s#*t on us. It's unfair to point at you as a government worker too, as there are many in this economy who barely notice what's happening around them because their jobs, incomes, and benefits insulate them. I'm sure that a lot of people look at the homeless as "lazy bums" which is not necessarily the case.

        Certain areas of the country are where a lot of government jobs are located and this type of shutdown is hurtful to the economy in those places. However if you look at the overall picture a government job is a pretty good thing to have even with the present situation.

          I have to take my hat off to President though, he thinks my access to his shinning achievement is way more important than your livelihood, what a great guy!!

[Fast streak]

Great pres is willing to compromise with every Moslem govt and Syria but not his own congress. Proud of the house to finally stand up to a govt out of control and taking over every part of our lives and taking our freedoms. The Obama care bill is a disaster and every one knows it. The spending madness must stop some where. Obama is doing every thing in his power to bring our great nation down including changing laws as he goes and exempting those he chooses . he must be held accountabable he thinks he is king. Stand your ground house of rep.

[POPS 57]

BF, Ice and other federal workers hope this doesn't go on long. Its funny when people on here are laid off or lose there job every one is supported by there biker brothers. But when it happens the a federal worker it turns into a $hit storm. NO support for the worker and I repeat the worker. I am retired and under stand what is going no for the normal federal worker. They have unions and this still happens. On another note I checked my bank this mor. and the eagle did $hit. I hope you do all get back pay because you do not get unemployment. Most don't know or care.

[DIGGER]

as of 9:05 a.m. Houston time the Dow is up 6 pts, Nasdaq is up 17 pts.......gold is DOWN $33 today...seems as though the financial people of this country look at the shutdown as a POSITIVE THING!!!!!

[alph]

I think the president needs to realize that we're bankrupt if we don't get our spending under control, and for the last several years we have been spending more than we've collected. 

I feel sorry for those that have jobs effected by this situation, and i'm NOT saying it's their fault, it's the irresponsibility of the spending that's at fault. 

maybe it's obummers plan to get his buddies the "muslim brotherhood" to infiltrate the government, the way they did in Egypt and Libya. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think the president needs to realize that we're bankrupt if we don't get our spending under control, and for the last several years we have been spending more than we've collected. 

I feel sorry for those that have jobs effected by this situation, and i'm NOT saying it's their fault, it's the irresponsibility of the spending that's at fault. 

maybe it's obummers plan to get his buddies the "muslim brotherhood" to infiltrate the government, the way they did in Egypt and Libya. 

Yeah I sure that's been his plan all along 

[alph]

I was just watching the news, some WWII vets were in Washington and wanted to see the WWII memorial, they had to push down a fence that was erected around the memorial so that they could go through the memorial.

we were in DC and we WALKED around the WWII memorial.  here's the question, why did they put a fence around it?  IT'S A WALKING TOUR!! 

to me it's all about image, this whole thing is about making one group "look" bad, the economy and the American people don't mean anything to these "a"holes.