who's at fault?

[Robert]

In any confrontation you always roll the dice, I would really like to see what started the whole thing in the first place. You mean the bikers felt superior because of numbers and the family wasn't doing anything and the bikers just picked him and decided to make a example of him? We may never know the decision or what transpired. I make no judgements, and the bikers made there's its a no win no matter what.

[Patrick]

This took place in NY and has gone crazy. Apparently this 'gang' has caused over 20 police complaints and has been doing this for some time. They apparently surround someone and just harass them. Appears to be the same in this incident. I don't know why the vehicle hit that bike, I like to find out. It's  ongoing, so, we may find out more.

[Gavin_Sons]

like was said before, i would have taken out alot of those bikes with my car. If i am ever surrounded by a bunch of bikes and they are taunting me someone will eat some pavement. There is just no excuse for these thugs to do these things. even if the car was at fault to begin with, you are on a motorcycle and dont have any chance at all against any car. And i really dont feel bad that the guy that got 2 broke legs may never walk again. Mess with the bull you get the horns.

[Serk]

http://nypost.com/2013/10/02/da-wont-charge-bike-assault-thug-in-suv-beating/

Wow... You'd think they'd at least charge 'em to pressure 'em into identifying the other criminals...

Found this quote interesting too:

many of the plates are stolen or belong on different bikes, making it tougher to ID the motorcyclists

Doesn't that at the very least show conspiracy to commit crimes?

[Gavin_Sons]

http://nypost.com/2013/10/02/da-wont-charge-bike-assault-thug-in-suv-beating/

Wow... You'd think they'd at least charge 'em to pressure 'em into identifying the other criminals...

Found this quote interesting too:

many of the plates are stolen or belong on different bikes, making it tougher to ID the motorcyclists

Doesn't that at the very least show conspiracy to commit crimes?

yep, and i bet ya most of them have no insurance on those bikes if they are using stolen plates.

[saddlesore]

Poor, innocent, little boy. Mama's little angel is now paralyzed. 

Seems to me that any injuries sustained while breaking the law is on the law breaker.  There were fifty  "bikers" raising hell on the road.  It was bound to happen.
These guys went out to cause trouble and they got it.  What the land rover driver did may not have been right but he's not the one out there looking to cause trouble.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/02/20783272-2nd-biker-arrested-in-nyc-range-rover-chase-wont-be-charged-da?lite

[Jess Tolbirt]

pick me for the jury!! please! please! please!!!!

[old2soon]

Yup-i'm positive he are innocent!  The zip splat driver. Still REFUSE to acknowledge any damn one of them as "rider". RIDE SAFE.

[bigguy]

pick me for the jury!! please! please! please!!!!

Me too.

[Serk]

(I just wanna take a moment to say "Good job!" to the mod(s) that keeps combining threads to keep this all in one!)

[saddlesore]

I apologize for my double up on the subject.  I should have read through all the threads.

sorry

[Serk]

Seems the poor innocent rider that was run over was such an angel too...

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/10/run_over_mass_biker_has_long_criminal_record

[..]

Seems the poor innocent rider that was run over was such an angel too...

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/10/run_over_mass_biker_has_long_criminal_record

No licence, no insurance. What a shocker 

[old2soon]

Seems the poor innocent rider that was run over was such an angel too...

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/10/run_over_mass_biker_has_long_criminal_record

WHY do it NOT surprise me that his rap sheet bout the same size as my phone directory here where I live according to what I just read???   I had posted earlier that this is FAR from anywhere near being over.   Being polite here-if they round up 20 or 25 of these thugs and get 2 or 3 with current license and insurance and tags i'll be surprised- no-REALLY I will.   I expect to see more about these innocent zip splats-WAY MORE.   RIDE SAFE.

[Liberty Bell]

And now he has acquired Gloria Aldridge as an attorney to sue the guy in thee SUV.

Thing really bothering me here is how the media is catagorizing these guys as a "biker gang" in the model of the Hell's Angels and Banditos...

There seems to be a concerted effort to cast any group of more than three bikes together in the same light as these assholes.

As to the no plates etc, why were the police not impounding those bikes without plates? What were they doing on the road to begin with? ATV's on country roads in farm country is one thing.. an organized ride, where was the police escort? Why were these clowns all over the road in and a crossed all lanes? On occasion, I have had real motorcycle gangs come up on me on the road, they passion the hammer lane and tend to mind there own business. While I'm sure there have been incidents with one percentors but this goes beyond pale.

[POPS 57]

I have a question. Does anyone know the best tire for evading a crazed group of bikes. Also what's the best oil for my suv if I have to run over them to protect myself.  

[Skinhead]

Seems the poor innocent rider that was run over was such an angel too...

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/10/run_over_mass_biker_has_long_criminal_record

He must be one of Obama's ifIhadasons.

[..]

Seems the poor innocent rider that was run over was such an angel too...

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/10/run_over_mass_biker_has_long_criminal_record

He must be one of Obama's ifIhadasons.

Time to let that go otherwise we become as petty/silly as the "It's all Bush's fault".

[alph]

alright, alright!!!!  

listen, this'll tick you off!!  but lets just sit back and take this thought.

what if that one guy didn't have a "helmet cam"?  what if all we heard was the cyclists view point? then the story would be;

THOSE DAMN CAGERS!!  THEY'RE OUT TO KILL US!!!  BUNCH OF F-ING IDIOTS!!


(now, lets get back to msnbc and listen to those damn republicans shutting down the government!!)

there's always two sides of a story.

[..]

alright, alright!!!!  

listen, this'll tick you off!!  but lets just sit back and take this thought.

what if that one guy didn't have a "helmet cam"?  what if all we heard was the cyclists view point? then the story would be;

THOSE DAMN CAGERS!!  THEY'RE OUT TO KILL US!!!  BUNCH OF F-ING IDIOTS!!


(now, lets get back to msnbc and listen to those damn republicans shutting down the government!!)

there's always two sides of a story.

3 sides.

Theirs
The other Theirs
The truth

[Liberty Bell]

Truth is like a kilidescope, you might see the same pieces of glass etc., the picture you see depends a lot on the angle you see the picture from... and rarely is it the same as seen by anyone else... 

[alph]

Truth is like a kilidescope, you might see the same pieces of glass etc., the picture you see depends a lot on the angle you see the picture from... and rarely is it the same as seen by anyone else... 

much like the politics going on right now......

when you hear of those bikers not having license plates, or being licensed for that matter, makes you wonder how will the police be able to get these people off the street?  where I live it's pretty hard to ditch the cops on a bike with the long straight aways all a cop has to do is "radio" ahead, in the city a cop won't risk the life or will avoid injury to an innocent bystander plus there's always an alley way to slip through, or traffic to weave around.

i'd love to see the cops get these idiots.

[Serk]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/04/undercover-nypd-cop-saw-bikers-beat-driver/2925717/

The Daily News' sources said two officers -- and possibly two or three others -- were among the estimated 20 to 30 motorcyclists on the Henry Hudson Parkway when riders tried to slow traffic.

Well THAT just fills me with warm fuzzies, I tell 'ya...

[Skinhead]

While I do not condone the behavior of the bikers, and can understand the reaction of the SUV driver, I see him as being libel for the injuries to the biker he ran over, IF he was not actively threatening the SUV driver.  This is no different than a CPL holder shooting at an attacker, missing and hitting an innocent bystander.  Briefly looking at the video, it appears the SUV driver could have avoided running the dude over and still gotten out of immediate danger.  JMHO.

[Sparky]

http://gma.yahoo.com/undercover-nypd-cop-watched-suv-222926277.html

[ugelstad]

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=9274018

[DarkSideR]

http://nypost.com/2013/09/30/bikers-attack-suv-after-driver-rams-riders/

I am not surprised to see something like this has happened. With all the videos I see of roaming sport bike riders out mongering on public road, endangering those around them. We know this group was trouble because under cover cops were among them.

Here is a tally of those arrested and the charges against them.
Bikers - 4 arrested
- Gang Assault
- Assault
- Unlawful Imprisonment
- Reckless Driving
- Possession Of A Deadly Weapon
SUV Driver - Not arrested
- No Charges

I hope this sends a message to punks like this. I rode a sport bike for 8 years and was treated poorly on many occasion because of drivers associating me with the likes of the riders in the news report. I am so glad I now ride a Valk.

[0leman]

just watched a bit of interview of the guy who started the problem by slowing down almost stopping in front of SUV on ABC GMA.   Guy said he was  just looking around for his friends behind him.  Right.  Though no brake lights came on, he did slow down really fast.   His lawyer is trying to get him off on this.   Hope the judge/jury sees it differently.

[Frankj]

I don't know about "undercover cops"  riding with them. On the news it said there were cops rididng with them and they are being investigated for possible disciplinary action because they didn't get involved and help the SUV driver. Any one else hear that?

Frank

[DarkSideR]

I just found a video of the same group or riders attacking a car in 2011.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=81e_1380656714

[Jess from VA]

While I do not condone the behavior of the bikers, and can understand the reaction of the SUV driver, I see him as being libel for the injuries to the biker he ran over, IF he was not actively threatening the SUV driver.  This is no different than a CPL holder shooting at an attacker, missing and hitting an innocent bystander.  Briefly looking at the video, it appears the SUV driver could have avoided running the dude over and still gotten out of immediate danger.  JMHO.

A claim of self defense would be against any and all of the biker GANG as they are clearly acting in concert.... (one could argue a criminal conspiracy, given group hooligan riding behavior... all day?)..... if two walk up and put the family in reasonable fear of life and limb, the diver may act to reasonably protect himself by injuring a passive but willing co-conspirator/participant.  (Unlike using a gun), it would also be difficult to prove the driver specifically intended offensive lethal/deadly consequences against any particular biker, his argument is he was simply trying to escape (which is always preferred against intentional offensive use of deadly force).  I believe the driver has a pretty good self defense case against any criminal charges.

However a civil suit is another matter, and civil liability can be split (shared) among different parties in some states (he could conceivably found 1/4 or 1/3 at fault, dividing total damages by that percentage).  Understanding the limited info from the video alone, it may be that the driver had a number of chances to escape the danger point before he ran over anyone.... like reversing out of there right at the first stop.  A good civil shyster is in a decent position to force a sizable settlement with the driver's insurance co, just like any other MVA.   I'm glad I don't have to face a NYC (or any big city) civil jury, and insurance companies feel the same way.  Proof at civil trial is only by a preponderance of the evidence...... not beyond any reasonable doubt.

As they roll the poor bastard into the courtroom in a wheel chair. 

[Serk]

A good civil shyster is in a decent position to force a sizable settlement

The thug that got paralyzed (yeah, I'm being judgmental and calling the thug a thug, it doesn't matter if a group of thugs is on foot terrorizing a neighborhood or on bikes and quads terrorizing a neighborhood, they're still thugs and nothing more) has already hired the shysterest of shysters, Gloria Allred...

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/10/gloria_allred_lawrence_biker_innocent_victim

[Jess from VA]

Oh yeah, I already saw that.... contingent fee for sure. 

[Gavin_Sons]

what a bunch of morons. people like that make me sick.

[Serk]

What a pillar of the community this guy is:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/07/biker-in-nyc-assault-catches-break-from-judge-flips-off-reporters/?intcmp=latestnews

When he was bashing the window out with his helmet and dragging the SUV driver out, he was just going to "try and identify the driver after a motor-vehicle accident" after all, being the good Samaritan that he is.

[G-Man]

Just heard there were at least 3 undercover/off duty NYPD cops amongst the riders.  The undercover actually watched the driver get pulled out out of the vehicle and beaten.  He didn't come forward for 4 days.  He was afraid of blowing his cover.  He should be fired.  His cover was more important that a citizen's safety.  The other 2, not identified specifically as under cover of off duty, but expected to come forward and answer questions from internal affairs.

All the while the Hell's Angels go from bike show to bike show selling T-Shirts.  When asked for a word, a HA member said these guys are wrong because you don't go after families. 

[Patrick]

What a pillar of the community this guy is:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/07/biker-in-nyc-assault-catches-break-from-judge-flips-off-reporters/?intcmp=latestnews

When he was bashing the window out with his helmet and dragging the SUV driver out, he was just going to "try and identify the driver after a motor-vehicle accident" after all, being the good Samaritan that he is.



This solid citizen also has 25 arrests as part of his stellar record.

[old2soon]

Fine upstanding misunderstood folks on zip splats. Watched the vid posted by Joshcornkid. Tore the mirror of the vehicle and don't know the why of removal of mirror.  And one of these stellar people who some others might want to pattern their life after riding on the sidewalk and then later on parking on a sidewalk.  I would hazard a guess here that the M/Cs and S U V of the original post that if there are less than 30% of the total riders with prior records i'll be surprised. Be interesting to find out how many of the total are WITHOUT driving privleges registration and insurance. Here in the ShoMe you CAN NOT get registered or get your tags without insurance. Be interesting to see where this finally ends up. RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

The clown that started this whole thing doesn't have a license. Not even an application and no valid license of any kind since '99.

[Patrick]

One NYC undercover cop has been arrested. Haven't heard much else other than he may be the second one in the video attempting to break the vehicles side window.