Zimmerman arrested again. . . felony

[donaldcc]

   Can't stay out of the news.

   "George Zimmerman was arrested on domestic violence charges Monday after pointing a shotgun at his girlfriend, breaking a table and pushing her out of her Seminole County home, deputies said.

Zimmerman is being held without bail at the Seminole County Jail, charged with aggravated assault with a weapon — a felony — domestic violence battery and criminal mischief."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-arrested-20131118,0,1837318.story

[The Anvil]

Guy's a DOOOOOOOOOSH!

[Hooter]

   It would seem to me (I might be wrong here) that with what he just went through, he would want to stay lower than dirt for the rest of his life, however short that may be?

[vranasaurus]

Whether you think the jury got it right or wrong I think it is clear that this guy is a dangerous idiot.
You can bet your ass that the prosecutor will probably not plead this to a misdemeanor unless the case is just terrible. 

The guy got acquitted in a case that he very easily could have been convicted.  Based upon the law as it stands and the high standard of beyond a reasonable doubt they probably got it right. (Remember the prosecutor has to prove it wasn't self defense BRD)  He doesn't seem to realize just how fortunate he was.

As a gun owner and huge supporter of the RKBA I will say that he probably shouldn't be allowed to own guns anymore (felony conviction) and I don't want him associated with gun owners.

[Moonshot_1]

Again, everyone jumps to the conclusion Zimmerman is guilty.

Zimmerman said that he nether broke a table or had or pointed a gun at anyone in this latest incident.

I've got no doubt that there are people who are willing to make false accusations against this guy just cause they can.

This is why they investigate and have a trial.

[Willow]

I'm pretty sure he's entitled to a trial with a jury of his peers.  At this time there are only two people involved, no other witnesses, and those two people have conflicting accounts.

Some of us seem to be seriously owned by the media.

How exactly is this case newsworthy?

[donaldcc]

  Not saying convicted, guilty etc.  just he was arrested.  as I recall his last arrest with something to do with his wife and father-in-law resulted in charges dismissed.

newsworthy to some as he and his trial were splashed all over print and tv media for a considerable time during his trial.  despite obvious media slant or bias at times he attracted a lot of attention.

[Moonshot_1]

I'm pretty sure he's entitled to a trial with a jury of his peers.  At this time there are only two people involved, no other witnesses, and those two people have conflicting accounts.

Some of us seem to be seriously owned by the media.

How exactly is this case newsworthy?

It is newsworthy because Zimmerman is now a public figure still under a cloud of suspicion in areas of the court of public opinion and he just got arrested for domestic violence.

[Clark]

Again, everyone jumps to the conclusion Zimmerman is guilty.

Zimmerman said that he nether broke a table or had or pointed a gun at anyone in this latest incident.

I've got no doubt that there are people who are willing to make false accusations against this guy just cause they can.

This is why they investigate and have a trial.

...last time I checked..yer STILL innocent until proven otherwise

[The Anvil]

I'm gonna go to another cliche' here; Where there's smoke, there's fire.

[Patrick]

It appears to me our Mr Zimmerman isn't a very good judge of female character. We'll see how this incident plays out.

[The Anvil]

It appears to me our Mr Zimmerman isn't a very good judge of female character. We'll see how this incident plays out.

Yeah, or the women aren't. Zimmerman hasn't proven he's capable of solid judgment on anything though so I'll give you that.

So, is it the media that's arresting Zimmerman? I know their power is getting out of hand but I'm pretty sure they haven't been granted those powers yet.

[MP]

I'm gonna go to another cliche' here; Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Disagree.  Just because one is ACCUSED of a couple crimes, does NOT mean you are guilty.  You think just because he has been accused before, he is automatically guilty of this one?  Scheesh.

I have NO idea if he is guilty or not, but I am NOT going to hang him based on an accusation.  Let's get some FACTS out here, rather than going with what an angry girlfriend said.  In most places, the cops will arrest based on just that accusation, and sort the facts out later.  Which is what I assume they are doing now.

Broken table, and other things she said, should be easy to verify.  Although still would not know WHO broke them, IF broken.

We all know in these domestic disputes,  LOTS of lies are told.

MP

[alph]

george needs to have his life under 24 hour surveillance.  i'd like to see how much he's really innocent of.....

here's a good case for the TSA to fly a drone 24/7!!

[The Anvil]

I'm gonna go to another cliche' here; Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Disagree.  Just because one is ACCUSED of a couple crimes, does NOT mean you are guilty.  You think just because he has been accused before, he is automatically guilty of this one?  Scheesh.broke them, IF broken.

It doesn't necessarily mena that it happened exactly the way she says it did but it shows a pattern that goes back even before the shooting. He displays poor judgment at every turn. The same poor judgment that put him in the position to have to kill someone because he can't handle a confrontation that gets physical.

The same people poo-pooing Zim's pattern of behavior are often the same ones using Martin's pattern of behavior to reinforce their pre-conceived opinions of him and what happened that night.

[musclehead]

you are jumping the 'gun' just a bit there Don. felony? yeah IF it went down as the female says yes a felony.  

as far as him staying out of the spotlight, the mindless media won't let it rest, they are sure he got away with murder and are trying thier dead level best to make his life a living hell. I have no idea what kind of pressure this level of scrutiny can bring to bear on an individual, but I'm guessing it's intense.

one point, the media always brings up EVERY single incident he has had with law enforcement including two traffic stops for speeding (they gleefully report he had a handgun in the glove box during the one in Texas, even though he was lawfully allowed to have it). yet somehow he does one good deed and it never gets reported, like when he stopped to help people out of a burning vehicle. (even fox news didn't mention that one)

so here we are AGAIN in a 'he said, she said' situation and he wakes up in jail. the left rejoices  

besides he's a registered Dem, doesn't that allow him a certain amount of shenanigans? 

[Skinhead]

All it takes for any of us to be charged with domestic violence is for your sig. other or a family member to fake an injury to them selves and call the cops and say you pushed/hit/grabbed them.  Just a few scratches to the throat will do it and you are on your way.  State laws, zero tolerance, and no common sense used in interpreting the situation leave the LEO's few choices.

Zimmerman was found innocent of murder, yet people won't let it go.  He's not OJ for Pete's sake!

[musclehead]

I'm gonna go to another cliche' here; Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Disagree.  Just because one is ACCUSED of a couple crimes, does NOT mean you are guilty.  You think just because he has been accused before, he is automatically guilty of this one?  Scheesh.broke them, IF broken.

It doesn't necessarily mena that it happened exactly the way she says it did but it shows a pattern that goes back even before the shooting. He displays poor judgment at every turn. The same poor judgment that put him in the position to have to kill someone because he can't handle a confrontation that gets physical.

The same people poo-pooing Zim's pattern of behavior are often the same ones using Martin's pattern of behavior to reinforce their pre-conceived opinions of him and what happened that night.

nothing mattered in either man's (I say man because if the roles were reversed trayvon would probably be charged as an adult) life in the hours preceding the event that took trayvon's life. Z's past and M's past have been played out many times, the facts pertaining to the case were all that mattered in the not guilty verdict.

[G-Man]

Whether you think the jury got it right or wrong I think it is clear that this guy is a dangerous idiot.
You can bet your ass that the prosecutor will probably not plead this to a misdemeanor unless the case is just terrible. 

The guy got acquitted in a case that he very easily could have been convicted.  Based upon the law as it stands and the high standard of beyond a reasonable doubt they probably got it right. (Remember the prosecutor has to prove it wasn't self defense BRD)  He doesn't seem to realize just how fortunate he was.

As a gun owner and huge supporter of the RKBA I will say that he probably shouldn't be allowed to own guns anymore (felony conviction) and I don't want him associated with gun owners.

Agreed!

[PAVALKER]

When your life is constantly under review with a magnifying glass, any light passing thru heats things up.   Zimmerman will have all these "incidents" follow him throughout his life now.  The media couldn't convict him the first time and now they will compound charges over his life, continuing to prosecute and persecute him.   

[musclehead]

When your life is constantly under review with a magnifying glass, any light passing thru heats things up.   Zimmerman will have all these "incidents" follow him throughout his life now.  The media couldn't convict him the first time and now they will compound charges over his life, continuing to prosecute and persecute him.   

I believe you are correct sir. 

[vranasaurus]

All it takes for any of us to be charged with domestic violence is for your sig. other or a family member to fake an injury to them selves and call the cops and say you pushed/hit/grabbed them.  Just a few scratches to the throat will do it and you are on your way.  State laws, zero tolerance, and no common sense used in interpreting the situation leave the LEO's few choices.

Zimmerman was found innocent of murder, yet people won't let it go.  He's not OJ for Pete's sake!

He was found not guilty which means the state didn't prove it.  Guilty vs. not guilty are legal concepts that revolve around whether the state proved their case not necessarily whether the defendant actually committed the crime or not.  Innocent people are convicted and guilty people go free in our system.  You clearly don't accept the OJ verdict but you think the Zimmerman verdict is just fine?

As someone who prosecute a fair amount of DV I can tell you that your notions of DV cases are way off base.  The police do a good job of sorting these situations out and not jumping to conclusions.  I have seen so many cases in which a person calls the police to report an incident, police show up and investigate, and they end up arresting the calling party because it is determined that they are the perpetrator and not the victim.

DV is very under reported.  For every time the police are called you can bet there were many other incidents where they weren't.


 

[Skinhead]

All it takes for any of us to be charged with domestic violence is for your sig. other or a family member to fake an injury to them selves and call the cops and say you pushed/hit/grabbed them.  Just a few scratches to the throat will do it and you are on your way.  State laws, zero tolerance, and no common sense used in interpreting the situation leave the LEO's few choices.

Zimmerman was found innocent of murder, yet people won't let it go.  He's not OJ for Pete's sake!

He was found not guilty which means the state didn't prove it.  Guilty vs. not guilty are legal concepts that revolve around whether the state proved their case not necessarily whether the defendant actually committed the crime or not.  Innocent people are convicted and guilty people go free in our system.  You clearly don't accept the OJ verdict but you think the Zimmerman verdict is just fine?

As someone who prosecute a fair amount of DV I can tell you that your notions of DV cases are way off base.  The police do a good job of sorting these situations out and not jumping to conclusions.  I have seen so many cases in which a person calls the police to report an incident, police show up and investigate, and they end up arresting the calling party because it is determined that they are the perpetrator and not the victim.

DV is very under reported.  For every time the police are called you can bet there were many other incidents where they weren't.


 

I must admit I don't have your experience in prosecuting DV cases, I'll defer to your actual experience as opposed to MHO.  And I admit I used the wrong word in my original post, you are correct, Zimmerman was found not guilty.  I suppose that is why I'm not an attorney.

I accept the verdicts in both the OJ and the Zimmerman cases, however, I do think one of them was incorrect.

[Pappy!]

George REALLY needs to keep firearms out of his hands unless the worst case scenario is happening.
That guy wont last long in jail !!
He, at this point, is probably the worst thing to happen to peaceful and law abiding gun owners right now.

[vranasaurus]

The jury system is rather imperfect.  But it is what we have and have to live with.  The alternatives aren't any better and in some circumstances may be worse.  Juries get it wrong all the time.  

I think my, and other's, point about Zimmerman is he just isn't very bright and exercises poor judgment.  His poor judgment doesn't make him guilty of a crime but it does make him an idiot. His poor judgment has put him in the spotlight.   Further it upsets me that as a gun owner I get lumped in with this idiot.  

Zimmerman clearly doesn't understand the first rule of gun fights.  "Avoid the gun fight if possible without endangering your life or the life of another."  It is not about what the law says so much as avoiding all the hassles that go along with sorting it out.  Can you afford the lawyer and how will you look in front of a jury?  The better you look the more likely the prosecutor is to not file charges.  But in the end some cases are just going to have to be tried.  People are generally more accepting of a jury verdict than a prosecutor's decision not to file charges.

[Clark]

The jury system is rather imperfect.  But it is what we have and have to live with.  The alternatives aren't any better and in some circumstances may be worse.  Juries get it wrong all the time.  

I think my, and other's, point about Zimmerman is he just isn't very bright and exercises poor judgment.  His poor judgment doesn't make him guilty of a crime but it does make him an idiot. His poor judgment has put him in the spotlight.   Further it upsets me that as a gun owner I get lumped in with this idiot.  

Zimmerman clearly doesn't understand the first rule of gun fights.  "Avoid the gun fight if possible without endangering your life or the life of another."  It is not about what the law says so much as avoiding all the hassles that go along with sorting it out.  Can you afford the lawyer and how will you look in front of a jury?  The better you look the more likely the prosecutor is to not file charges.  But in the end some cases are just going to have to be tried.  People are generally more accepting of a jury verdict than a prosecutor's decision not to file charges.

that sure is a PURDY mc. ya got there..what is it??

[musclehead]

The jury system is rather imperfect.  But it is what we have and have to live with.  The alternatives aren't any better and in some circumstances may be worse.  Juries get it wrong all the time.  

I think my, and other's, point about Zimmerman is he just isn't very bright and exercises poor judgment.  His poor judgment doesn't make him guilty of a crime but it does make him an idiot. His poor judgment has put him in the spotlight.   Further it upsets me that as a gun owner I get lumped in with this idiot.  

Zimmerman clearly doesn't understand the first rule of gun fights.  "Avoid the gun fight if possible without endangering your life or the life of another."  It is not about what the law says so much as avoiding all the hassles that go along with sorting it out.  Can you afford the lawyer and how will you look in front of a jury?  The better you look the more likely the prosecutor is to not file charges.  But in the end some cases are just going to have to be tried.  People are generally more accepting of a jury verdict than a prosecutor's decision not to file charges.

he's certainly not a model citizen and I would never claim that he was. the very last thing I would have done in his shoes was get out of the pick up. they were both younger at the time and led by young man's impluses, with tragic results.

we still don't know with 100% accuracy what happened that night, it may be as some have put it that he "stsalked and murdered a young boy"

[Raverez]

I'm gonna go to another cliche' here; Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Disagree.  Just because one is ACCUSED of a couple crimes, does NOT mean you are guilty.  You think just because he has been accused before, he is automatically guilty of this one?  


MP
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Many people are arrested numerous times and are found not guilty every time. Take John Gotti for instance.

But Zimmerman will sooner or later be found guilty of an assault or worse offense.
Just my $.02.

[MP]

I'm gonna go to another cliche' here; Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Disagree.  Just because one is ACCUSED of a couple crimes, does NOT mean you are guilty.  You think just because he has been accused before, he is automatically guilty of this one?  


MP
[/quote


Many people are arrested numerous times and are found not guilty every time. Take John Gotti for instance.

But Zimmerman will sooner or later be found guilty of an assault or worse offense.
Just my $.02.

He very well may be.  I do not know.  I am just saying that being ACCUSED of something, does not make you guilty, no matter how many times it happens.

He is a prime target.  Any girlfriend/friend/neighbor, will know his background, and know if they holler, Zimmerman will be the one looked at.  None of us could stand that spotlight.  There are LOTS of times in all of our pasts, that could have gone wrong.  He is going to have a finger pointed at him, EVERY TIME.  He may or may not be guilty, but he will be in the national news everytime.  I doubt many of us could stand that scrutiny.

MP

[donaldcc]

you are jumping the 'gun' just a bit there Don. felony? yeah IF it went down as the female says yes a felony. . . .

 not me jumping the "gun" with felony, just that I saw he was "arrested" on a felony charge.  did not speculate on LEOs evidence, investigation etc., just noted what he was charged with.

 that said my "personal" opinion is that he is a loose cannon that needs to be muzzled.

[MP]

you are jumping the 'gun' just a bit there Don. felony? yeah IF it went down as the female says yes a felony. . . .

 not me jumping the "gun" with felony, just that I saw he was "arrested" on a felony charge.  did not speculate on LEOs evidence, investigation etc., just noted what he was charged with.

 that said my "personal" opinion is that he is a loose cannon that needs to be muzzled.

"needs to be muzzled".  Just how would you do that?

Just lock him up, just in case he might do something in the future?

I thought you Progressives believed in civil rights?

He has been convicted of.......NOTHING!

MP

[Moonshot_1]

The jury system is rather imperfect.  But it is what we have and have to live with.  The alternatives aren't any better and in some circumstances may be worse.  Juries get it wrong all the time.  

I think my, and other's, point about Zimmerman is he just isn't very bright and exercises poor judgment.  His poor judgment doesn't make him guilty of a crime but it does make him an idiot. His poor judgment has put him in the spotlight.   Further it upsets me that as a gun owner I get lumped in with this idiot.  

Zimmerman clearly doesn't understand the first rule of gun fights.  "Avoid the gun fight if possible without endangering your life or the life of another."  It is not about what the law says so much as avoiding all the hassles that go along with sorting it out.  Can you afford the lawyer and how will you look in front of a jury?  The better you look the more likely the prosecutor is to not file charges.  But in the end some cases are just going to have to be tried.  People are generally more accepting of a jury verdict than a prosecutor's decision not to file charges.

Sorry, but we are trying to come to a conclusion of what happened based on the information provided to us by the media who, as a general rule, tried their damnedest to get him found guilty in the court of public opinion.

In your experience in DV cases, no one ever lies or embellishes the truth in their favor?
Angry girlfriends are never vindictive or untruthful?

And

We got a part of the main stream media that had tried and convicted Zimmerman in their court of public opinion.

I trust Zimmerman far in excess of the main stream media.

They are going to hound this guy and unload on him for the smallest of infractions.

When they are reporting on his minor traffic violations , yeah, they are out to get him.

[The Anvil]

Sorry, but we are trying to come to a conclusion of what happened based on the information provided to us by the media who, as a general rule, tried their damnedest to get him found guilty in the court of public opinion.

See, that's where you are wrong. There is lots of information on the case that is not available through the mainstream media. If that's your only source then you need to look harder. Not MUCH harder because it's not hard to find...

In your experience in DV cases, no one ever lies or embellishes the truth in their favor?
Angry girlfriends are never vindictive or untruthful?

This statement is particularly funny in light of what you say further down...*

And

We got a part of the main stream media that had tried and convicted Zimmerman in their court of public opinion.

I trust Zimmerman far in excess of the main stream media.

Because someone who shoot someone never lies or embellishes the truth in their favor?

The "media" was not in danger of going to prison and in fact has less of a reason to lie. But you just go right on trusting Zimmerman.

They are going to hound this guy and unload on him for the smallest of infractions.

When they are reporting on his minor traffic violations , yeah, they are out to get him.

Some people need to be gotten.

[f6john]

    The young lady in question hasn't shown very good judgement in her choices either. A recently divorced man, recently found not guilty of murder, and she thinks he is good "daddie" material, since she is already pregnant by him! She had to be looking to add some drama to here life and maybe have her 15 minutes of fame.

[The Anvil]

    The young lady in question hasn't shown very good judgement in her choices either. A recently divorced man, recently found not guilty of murder, and she thinks he is good "daddie" material, since she is already pregnant by him! She had to be looking to add some drama to here life and maybe have her 15 minutes of fame.

But he was found not guilty. What's to worry about? That should be a non-factor, right?

[musclehead]

Sorry, but we are trying to come to a conclusion of what happened based on the information provided to us by the media who, as a general rule, tried their damnedest to get him found guilty in the court of public opinion.

See, that's where you are wrong. There is lots of information on the case that is not available through the mainstream media. If that's your only source then you need to look harder. Not MUCH harder because it's not hard to find...

In your experience in DV cases, no one ever lies or embellishes the truth in their favor?
Angry girlfriends are never vindictive or untruthful?

This statement is particularly funny in light of what you say further down...*

And

We got a part of the main stream media that had tried and convicted Zimmerman in their court of public opinion.

I trust Zimmerman far in excess of the main stream media.

Because someone who shoot someone never lies or embellishes the truth in their favor?

The "media" was not in danger of going to prison and in fact has less of a reason to lie. But you just go right on trusting Zimmerman.

They are going to hound this guy and unload on him for the smallest of infractions.

When they are reporting on his minor traffic violations , yeah, they are out to get him.

Some people need to be gotten.

well, there was a lawsuit Z had ongoing against NBC for doctoring the non emergency call to make him sound racist. proof positive the media has and did play a part in convicting him in public opinion....

[musclehead]

Sorry, but we are trying to come to a conclusion of what happened based on the information provided to us by the media who, as a general rule, tried their damnedest to get him found guilty in the court of public opinion.

See, that's where you are wrong. There is lots of information on the case that is not available through the mainstream media. If that's your only source then you need to look harder. Not MUCH harder because it's not hard to find...

In your experience in DV cases, no one ever lies or embellishes the truth in their favor?
Angry girlfriends are never vindictive or untruthful?

This statement is particularly funny in light of what you say further down...*

And

We got a part of the main stream media that had tried and convicted Zimmerman in their court of public opinion.

I trust Zimmerman far in excess of the main stream media.

Because someone who shoot someone never lies or embellishes the truth in their favor?

The "media" was not in danger of going to prison and in fact has less of a reason to lie. But you just go right on trusting Zimmerman.

They are going to hound this guy and unload on him for the smallest of infractions.

When they are reporting on his minor traffic violations , yeah, they are out to get him.

Some people need to be gotten.

Some people need to be gotten

you want to walk that back a bit?

[Regis]

Its a witch hunt !

[Regis]

Guy's a DOOOOOOOOOSH!

Hahaha , wow thats funny from so many angles !

[..]

Everyone's a frickin armchair judge, jury and executioner without even being an eye witness or fly on the wall.

Stop watching crap reality TV and worry more about YOUR OWN lives.