Malaysia Airlines passenger jet reportedly shot down

[Rams]

Malaysia Airlines passenger jet reportedly shot down in Ukraine

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-jet-reportedly-crashes-in-ukraine/

A Malaysian Airlines passenger plane with 295 aboard was shot down by a surface-to-air missile in Ukraine near the Russian border, according to multiple reports.

The airline, which saw one of its fleet disappear over the Indian Ocean in March, confirmed only that "an incident" had occurred involving the Boeing 777, which was en route to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam.

"Malaysia Airlines has lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam," read a tweet from the airline. "The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow," read a tweet from Malaysia Airlines' account.

Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said he has directed the country's Ministry of Defense to investigate the incident, according to a message on his Twitter account. He said he could not confirm that the plane was shot down.

But multiple reports, including from Russia's Interfax news agency, said the plane was shot down at cruising altitude. Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's Interior Minister told The Associated press that the plane, carrying 280 passengers and 15 crew people onboard, was shot down.

Gerashenko says on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 33,000 feet when it was hit Thursday by a missile fired from a Buk launcher. A similar launcher was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday.

The adviser also told Russian news agency Interfax that all onboard have been killed.

The border area where the plane apparently went down, near the city of Kremenchuk, has been embroiled in the larger dispute between Ukraine and ethnic Russian separatists. Fighting has intensified in recent months in the region. A day before, according to the Ukrainian government, a Russian military plane shot down a Ukrainian fighter jet in Ukrainian airspace.

Pentagon Spokesman Col. Steve Warren said he was aware of reports of the downed passenger jet in Ukraine,but did not have further information.

The Boeing jets are equipped with twin Rolls-Royce Trent engines, typically cruises at 35,000 feet at speeds up to 639 miles per hour.

On March 8, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, also a Boeing 777 and carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew on a route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, disappeared somewhere over the ocean. It has not been found.
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Edited:   I think it's too early to say what downed this plane, too much speculation and no facts but, the question still stands as to why the hell Malaysia Air would allow their A/C to fly through this airspace.     Last week a Military Cargo plane was shot down.   

My Condolences go out to the families of those souls on board.   Someone looking to start a war?

[old2soon]

My local channels are jammed up with this story. They are showing pics or wreckage with the flag of Malaysia prominent on the fuselage parts. Some where back in the 80s ?? they-Russia-shot down a Korean air liner. And an American destroyer shot down a jet liner some years back. I absolutely DO NOT enjoy these cursed reporters that know NOTHING about air craft and weapons systems TRYING without success to expound on stuff they know zilch about.  :uglystupid2:cursed talking heads!!  RIDE SAFE.

[hubcapsc]

My local channels are jammed up with this story. They are showing pics or wreckage with the flag of Malaysia prominent on the fuselage parts. Some where back in the 80s ?? they-Russia-shot down a Korean air liner. And an American destroyer shot down a jet liner some years back. I absolutely DO NOT enjoy these cursed reporters that know NOTHING about air craft and weapons systems TRYING without success to expound on stuff they know zilch about.  :uglystupid2:cursed talking heads!!  RIDE SAFE.

Billy Hong, a local golf dude and Tae Kwon Do black belt associated with my home town, was on the Korean
flight that got shot down...

http://www.clemson.edu/taekwondo/members.html

-Mike

[Jess Tolbirt]

My local channels are jammed up with this story. They are showing pics or wreckage with the flag of Malaysia prominent on the fuselage parts. Some where back in the 80s ?? they-Russia-shot down a Korean air liner. And an American destroyer shot down a jet liner some years back. I absolutely DO NOT enjoy these cursed reporters that know NOTHING about air craft and weapons systems TRYING without success to expound on stuff they know zilch about.  :uglystupid2:cursed talking heads!!  RIDE SAFE.

Billy Hong, a local golf dude and Tae Kwon Do black belt associated with my home town, was on the Korean
flight that got shot down...

http://www.clemson.edu/taekwondo/members.html

-Mike

i believe you have the two flights mixed up,, the one they are talking about happened today and the one you refer to happened in 1983..
On September 1, 1983, Master Hong was killed while traveling to Korea

[..]

Our illustrious liar in chief said "it may be a terrible tragedy". Foul man.

May be? What the f does he mean?

It's a frickin tragedy. Don't matter how it happened; all those people are dead. It IS a tragedy. Foul man so removed from real life. Suprised he didn't do his silly little golf leg raise.

Oh well back to the fund raising.

Watching him again I wonder when will he grow the balls to look at a TV camera and let us see his eyes? Blech.

[Serk]

Watching him again I wonder when will he grow the balls to look at a TV camera and let us see his eyes? Blech.

Let's have a compare and contrast shall we?

Barack Obama: Malaysian plane crash in Ukraine a 'terrible tragedy'

(In Obama's defense, Reagan's address linked below was made 3 days after, not the day of.)

President Reagan's Address to the Nation on the Soviet Attack on a Korean Airliner (KAL 007)

[The emperor has no clothes]

Serk you are getting soft

[Rams]

If what I've read is correct, there were 298 souls on board.    The number being reported was 295 but changed just recently when some one realized there were three infants on board.    They are reporting that 23 of those folks are Americans.   

Saving fuel can be costly. 

[Patrick]

Apparently the same group shot down 2 or 3 other planes several days earlier, but, not much or nothing was said about that. The group was bragging about shooting this last one while they thought it was 'just a cargo plane'. Once they realized it was an airliner they started denying it.
During the campaign Mitt Romney was right when he said putin/Russia would be our greatest problem. obama laughed at him for that.

[Jess from VA]

[quote author=Patrick link=topic=70117.msg683729#msg683729 date=1405679255]
Apparently the same group shot down 2 or 3 other planes several days earlier, but, not much or nothing was said about that. The group was bragging about shooting this last one while they thought it was 'just a cargo plane'. Once they realized it was an airliner they started denying it.
During the campaign Mitt Romney was right when he said putin/Russia would be our greatest problem. obama laughed at him for that.
[/quote]

With good reason..... he knew HE would be the greatest problem our country faced since the great depression.

[musclehead]

they were reporting this morn on fox that the captain has final say on the route flown, so why fly over a war zone?

I've also heard pilots bitch repeatedly about not being comfortable with the amount of fuel reserves on board.

so it may have been the pilot had no choice but to risk violent airspace that had recently claimed aircraft because of missiles.

[Paxton]

Didn't they say that Romney is coming back for 2016? 

[..]

Didn't they say that Romney is coming back for 2016? 

Yep let's put him in the frame again having failed once.

If they do then it's REALLY obvious that all of us are pawns in a game.

[czuch]

The contrast between Reagan and the foul man, (I like that), is that of leader and fool.
I believe if Romney runs and they put feauxchaontis against him, and he loses, we know the fix is in.
Private sales and a box a payday.

[Paxton]

Britman;
Not sure now but I think this would be Romney's third run.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The contrast between Reagan and the foul man, (I like that), is that of leader and fool.
I believe if Romney runs and they put feauxchaontis against him, and he loses, we know the fix is in.
Private sales and a box a payday.

Who is feauxchaontis ?

[Rams]

The President says there was only one confirmed American citizen on board..

[Serk]

The contrast between Reagan and the foul man, (I like that), is that of leader and fool.
I believe if Romney runs and they put feauxchaontis against him, and he loses, we know the fix is in.
Private sales and a box a payday.

Who is feauxchaontis ?

Elizabeth Warren

[old2soon]

Stayin current or making an attempt at it anywho-our foul man-Thanks Paul-has "warned' Russia yet again that he ain't at all happy with or about Russia. I'm considering going into the red ink business so that foul p o s can continue to draw red lines that don't mean a damn thing.  Are the obuminaters testicles in the hilda beast pockets?? As long as he was a local joke-chi town-weren't too bad BUT since he's gone national and international. We had a way to straighten up nere do wells in Navy basic-it was called ki yi brushes and lye soap.  Let yer imagination run rampant if you weren't in the Military. The tragedy here are the 80 children that died-NOT forgetting the 218 adults that were with them. I KNOW what I'd like to do but I don't know WHERE to lay my hands on an armed and fueled B U F F.  RIDE SAFE.

[..]

My local channels are jammed up with this story. They are showing pics or wreckage with the flag of Malaysia prominent on the fuselage parts. Some where back in the 80s ?? they-Russia-shot down a Korean air liner. And an American destroyer shot down a jet liner some years back. I absolutely DO NOT enjoy these cursed reporters that know NOTHING about air craft and weapons systems TRYING without success to expound on stuff they know zilch about.  :uglystupid2:cursed talking heads!!   RIDE SAFE.

Billy Hong, a local golf dude and Tae Kwon Do black belt associated with my home town, was on the Korean
flight that got shot down...

http://www.clemson.edu/taekwondo/members.html

-Mike

i believe you have the two flights mixed up,, the one they are talking about happened today and the one you refer to happened in 1983..
On September 1, 1983, Master Hong was killed while traveling to Korea

Korean 007 - 1983 is the flight Mike is referring to!

[..]

Britman;
Not sure now but I think this would be Romney's third run.

Third run for what?

Only second for President.

Let's keep the facts straight please.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Britman;
Not sure now but I think this would be Romney's third run.

Third run for what?

Only second for President.

Let's keep the facts straight please.

He tried for the nomination in 08 and lost out to McCain , he got the nomination in 12 and lost to Obama, IF he tries in 16 it WOULD be his third try. That's the facts Jack

[Paxton]

"Let's keep the facts straight please..."
=======================
"... Romney did not seek re-election (as governor) in 2006, instead focusing on his campaign
for the 2008 U.S. presidential election but lost to the eventual nominee, Senator John McCain..."- WikepediA

In 2012, Governor Romney lost his second presidential bid to President Obama.

RIDE SAFE

[..]

Britman;
Not sure now but I think this would be Romney's third run.

Third run for what?

Only second for President.

Let's keep the facts straight please.

He tried for the nomination in 08 and lost out to McCain , he got the nomination in 12 and lost to Obama, IF he tries in 16 it WOULD be his third try. That's the facts Jack

You include a nomination, I didn't. Quite simple really.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Britman;
Not sure now but I think this would be Romney's third run.

Third run for what?

Only second for President.

Let's keep the facts straight please.

He tried for the nomination in 08 and lost out to McCain , he got the nomination in 12 and lost to Obama, IF he tries in 16 it WOULD be his third try. That's the facts Jack

You include a nomination, I didn't. Quite simple really.

If you are trying to get nominated doesn't that mean you are trying to become president?

[The emperor has no clothes]

The contrast between Reagan and the foul man, (I like that), is that of leader and fool.
I believe if Romney runs and they put feauxchaontis against him, and he loses, we know the fix is in.
Private sales and a box a payday.

Who is feauxchaontis ?

Elizabeth Warren

Thank you, haven't heard that term before.

[Patrick]

The contrast between Reagan and the foul man, (I like that), is that of leader and fool.
I believe if Romney runs and they put feauxchaontis against him, and he loses, we know the fix is in.
Private sales and a box a payday.

Who is feauxchaontis ?

Elizabeth Warren

Thank you, haven't heard that term before.

Crazy liz, the woman is nuts.  But, she did use her supposed 1/320th part Native American to her benefit. She was the first to use the term 'you didn't build that', obama can't even be original, he had to steal that from her.

[Paxton]

Britman;
Suppose that Romney runs for President again and looses the primaries say to Ron Paul.
Would that mean that Romney did not run for president? ???

I think it is a false premise but then again, you are entitled to a narrow view on the subject.
Don't be throwing rocks at people tho, calling them on the "facts" as you define them.
It either happen or it didn't. No Grey area.

I think that every American would agree. Should Romney be a candidate for President in 2016 it would be his third run;
exactly as it happened in the case of President Reagan. Nobody would say that President Reagan only ran
for President once or twice, but three times.  
So stop asking dumb ass questions pretending you don't know the subject of the conversation.

RIDE SAFE - STUPID HURTS

[donaldcc]

If you are trying to get nominated doesn't that mean you are trying to become president?

  the answer to this simple question is a resounding YES!

Regarding Romney, on February 13, 2007, he formally announced his candidacy for the Republican nomination for president in 2008.  Fast forward to 1:53 to hear it yourself.  Any opinion to the contrary is simply misguided, ill informed or a blatant disregard of the FACTS.

Mitt Romney 2008 Announcement Des Moines Iowa

[Xtracho]

Ummmm....WTF does Mitt running for Prez...and you guys engaging in a d**k measuring contest have to do with Malaysia? This has got to be in the top 5 all time hijacked threads.

[Rams]

Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin did not respond to the U.S. allegations.

Ukraine's Interior Ministry released a video purporting to show a truck carrying the Buk missile launcher it said was used to fire on the plane with one of its four missiles apparently missing. The ministry said the video was shot by a police surveillance squad at dawn Friday as the truck headed toward the Russian border.

There was no way to independently verify the video.

The entire Security Council called for "a full, thorough and independent international investigation, in accordance with international civil aviation guidelines, and for appropriate accountability." It stressed the need for "immediate access by investigators to the crash site to determine the cause of the incident."
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/07/18/what-we-know-and-dont-1-day-after-ukraine-crash/20933620/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D503967

Yeah, good luck with that.   That missile launcher is long gone and will not be found.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Ummmm....WTF does Mitt running for Prez...and you guys engaging in a d**k measuring contest have to do with Malaysia? This has got to be in the top 5 all time hijacked threads.

. Are we supposed to measure in inches or cm's?

[HayHauler]

Ummmm....WTF does Mitt running for Prez...and you guys engaging in a d**k measuring contest have to do with Malaysia? This has got to be in the top 5 all time hijacked threads.

+1!!

Hay
Jimmyt

[musclehead]

The contrast between Reagan and the foul man, (I like that), is that of leader and fool.
I believe if Romney runs and they put feauxchaontis against him, and he loses, we know the fix is in.
Private sales and a box a payday.

Who is feauxchaontis ?

Elizabeth Warren

one little, two little, three little indians.....

[Xtracho]

Ummmm....WTF does Mitt running for Prez...and you guys engaging in a d**k measuring contest have to do with Malaysia? This has got to be in the top 5 all time hijacked threads.

. Are we supposed to measure in inches or cm's?

[donaldcc]

Ummmm....WTF does Mitt running for Prez...and you guys engaging in a d**k measuring contest have to do with Malaysia? This has got to be in the top 5 all time hijacked threads.

. Are we supposed to measure in inches or cm's?

  do you have links to the other 4 of the top 5 hijacked threads?  ???

[Xtracho]

Good question...maybe this is actually #1. I'll let you decide.

[donaldcc]

  I would never make such a judgment. and every thread here gets various posts in response. 

  who cares?? not me.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Lest we not forget the posting of pics in front of old buildings that turned into a HUGE Masons hijack. I think we even lost some members over that debacle, haven't seen them post since

[G-Man]