Scary Science

[dreamaker]

I just watched a program on TV called Xploration Earth 2050 and what they showed, kind of run a chill down my spine. They had a segment concerning biological beef, this is beef basically grown in a test tube in a lab. FrankenBurger WOW!!!!  Not something in the future, they produced and severed one now. That kind of scares the hell out of me.

[Patrick]

Probably just what's being served in the cafeteria at Monsanto.

[dreamaker]

Watch this video and see what you think!!!  Basically the way I see it, they are saying they could take dog crap and make you think you are eating gourmet patay. That stuff is not tomorrow, its been here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Wh3uq1yTc

[Patrick]

Watch this video and see what you think!!!  Basically the way I see it, they are saying they could take dog crap and make you think you are eating gourmet patay. That stuff is not tomorrow, its been here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Wh3uq1yTc

I believe.  To me some of that dog crap thats been around for awhile to me is called soy. Now look at the problems that crap is being thought to cause.
I large, I'm in favor of GMOs. They have been around for centuries. Humans love to screw with genes, its in our genes. We wouldn't be were we are without them.  But, as in everything, there needs to be caution.
Now I guess I should look at the video.

[dreamaker]

As you can probability figure I am anti GMO as possible, I try to eat as much organic as possible. Funny thing though when I talk to people about food, they say they won't spend the extra pennies for organic food, but yet are willing to give tens of thousands of dollars the doctors and hospitals. I guess they don't think their health is a good investment.

[Patrick]

As you can probability figure I am anti GMO as possible, I try to eat as much organic as possible. Funny thing though when I talk to people about food, they say they won't spend the extra pennies for organic food, but yet are willing to give tens of thousands of dollars the doctors and hospitals. I guess they don't think their health is a good investment.

I also tend toward organic. I'm pretty proud of my heirloom organic tomatoes. That said, I believe there is a difference between organic and GMO. Why not grow a GMO organically.
Without GMOs what kind of dogs would we have. What kind of grains would we have. Where would we be without mules, or, is that donkeys. How much have GMOs helped the world. I just wonder if the consequences will be as bad as some think, time will tell I guess.

[dreamaker]

You do understand GMO means Genetically Modified Organisms, some people call it Frankenfoods.  It is the opposite of organic grown foods. It is biological or test tube food. Maybe you already know that , but keep in mind they told us asbestos was safe and cigarette smoking is healthy. So when you mess with food DNA, you don't know what is coming down the road. Heirloom foods are great, I have some heirloom seeds growing, just some herbs for now.

[MP]

You do understand GMO means Genetically Modified Organisms, some people call it Frankenfoods.  It is the opposite of organic grown foods. It is biological or test tube food.

As a farmer, that is not quite accurate.  GMO foods are grown in the field, and look just like regular grains.  They are NOT "test tube food."

It is also not "the opposite of organic".  Organic means grown without commercial fertilizer or pesticides.  GMO can be grown conventionally, or organically.  Although I do not think GMO can be labeled Organic.

The most grown GMO's are corn varieties.  They insert a gene that can battle corn borer, that causes stalks to fall over in a wind.  They can insert a gene that allows roundup to be used, without killing the plant. This actually REDUCES the amount of pesticides used overall.

I think Organic is fine. However, I do NOT believe there is anything wrong with our food grown conventionally.   If you prefer Organic, or think it is better, go for it.  That is what the market does.  However, for most people,  the added expense of Organic means that they will have less money left to buy other food.

MP

[Serk]

I actually actively avoid buying or consuming "organic" items. They tend to be more expensive, and a lesser quality than the regular stuff. That, and from a personal point of view, I see the organic fad as immoral. If all the foodstuffs on earth were immediately converted to organic methods, the less efficient usage of the land and lower production of foods would lead to millions, maybe even billions starving to death....

And yeah, I feel the same way about GMO. I have no more problem with GMO than I do with the old stuff that was GMO'ed old school through selective breeding (Which is basically... everything we eat, use, have as pets, etc...)

And the lab grown meat is actually a pretty cool idea. It's not all chemicals and stuff, it's just getting muscle tissue to grow without the rest of the animal attached. Get that right, and you could have the best filet mignon ever every time with no imperfections for a lot less money than a McDonalds cheese burger. The "real thing" would still be available for those who want to pay more for an inferior product (See diamonds for an example of this marketing in action) but I'd be fine with perfection for a fraction of the price.

Just me though... I'm also a wild man that vaccinates myself and my children...

[Patrick]

There was a time when I didn't believe in 'organic'. Around here some farms went organic and had to jump thru all kinda of governmental hoops to have their farms certified. Then they could charge 5 times what 'normal' stuff was going for, including hay.
I mistakenly picked a gallon of organic milk one day. That stuff tasted great, like back when we were kids. This area is mainly agricultural, dairy. Our state requires cattle/cow feed to be medicated, whether the cows need it or not. After-al, its the government and they know best. I've noticed over the decades that milk has been tasting nasty, you can taste that feed residue. Did I mention that organic milk tastes great, just like when we were kids.

So, whether anyone wants to go organic or not doesn't bother me, its their choice. It is definitely more costly. I tend to think its probably going to prove to be more healthy, time will tell. I find most organic foods do taste better, some don't.

As MP said, there is a difference between growing/raising something organically is different than doing it 'normally' with chemical fertilizers/pesticides,etc. 

One thing I know for sure is that heirloom tomatoes taste a whole lot different than hybrid versions. Each heirloom variety has a different taste. But, that said, I think every heirloom is a GMO of some other variety. To my thinking a hybrid version of any heirloom/old anything is a GMO. Therefore as mentioned earlier, GMOs have been around for centuries and have benefited the world tremendously.

All dogs come from the Grey Wolf, so, where would we be in the dog world without GMOs. As also mentioned, where does the mule [or donkey] come from. I forget which one is the GMO, probably both are.

Why people are just starting to become nervous about GMOs is beyond me.

[BF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAFA-hamZ0

[dreamaker]

You do understand GMO means Genetically Modified Organisms, some people call it Frankenfoods.  It is the opposite of organic grown foods. It is biological or test tube food.

As a farmer, that is not quite accurate.  GMO foods are grown in the field, and look just like regular grains.  They are NOT "test tube food."

It is also not "the opposite of organic".  Organic means grown without commercial fertilizer or pesticides.  GMO can be grown conventionally, or organically.  Although I do not think GMO can be labeled Organic.

The most grown GMO's are corn varieties.  They insert a gene that can battle corn borer, that causes stalks to fall over in a wind.  They can insert a gene that allows roundup to be used, without killing the plant. This actually REDUCES the amount of pesticides used overall.

I think Organic is fine. However, I do NOT believe there is anything wrong with our food grown conventionally.   If you prefer Organic, or think it is better, go for it.  That is what the market does.  However, for most people,  the added expense of Organic means that they will have less money left to buy other food.

MP

I agree with you on the most part. My point of test tube food, is not actually grown in a test tube, yes its grown in a field,  but I meant it was started in a lab. I read 97% Corn, 95% of Soy, are GMO, I don't recall the % of wheat. I don't eat any of it, or its byproducts.  Plants with a built in pesticide, gene, what ever you want to call it. Maybe it OK, maybe it not, just because it doesn't hit you in the head like a 2X4, doesn't mean it can't hurt you. When it comes to science, labs, egos, Monsanto, I have to pass. I know, I will die one day, I just want it to be fast, not slow death.  Mother nature is not stupid, humans are, because they think they are smarter, truth is they are just greedier.  I am not a Vegan, I just picky about what I put in my mouth.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I actually actively avoid buying or consuming "organic" items. They tend to be more expensive, and a lesser quality than the regular stuff. That, and from a personal point of view, I see the organic fad as immoral. If all the foodstuffs on earth were immediately converted to organic methods, the less efficient usage of the land and lower production of foods would lead to millions, maybe even billions starving to death....

And yeah, I feel the same way about GMO. I have no more problem with GMO than I do with the old stuff that was GMO'ed old school through selective breeding (Which is basically... everything we eat, use, have as pets, etc...)

And the lab grown meat is actually a pretty cool idea. It's not all chemicals and stuff, it's just getting muscle tissue to grow without the rest of the animal attached. Get that right, and you could have the best filet mignon ever every time with no imperfections for a lot less money than a McDonalds cheese burger. The "real thing" would still be available for those who want to pay more for an inferior product (See diamonds for an example of this marketing in action) but I'd be fine with perfection for a fraction of the price.

Just me though... I'm also a wild man that vaccinates myself and my children...

I thought you were supposed to be a doctor in order to perform vaccinations ? And how come you leave your wife out of the vaccinations ?  

[Black Pearl's Captain]

As you can probability figure I am anti GMO as possible, I try to eat as much organic as possible. Funny thing though when I talk to people about food, they say they won't spend the extra pennies for organic food, but yet are willing to give tens of thousands of dollars the doctors and hospitals. I guess they don't think their health is a good investment.

Dreamer Do you like a challenge? Take a picture of 4 items at your house right now that are USDA approved organic. Be sure to use some of the canned foods you have RIGHT NOW.

[98valk]

http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-children-will-be-autistic-by-2025-warns-senior-research-scientist-at-mit/

Why? Evidence points to glyphosate toxicity from the overuse of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide on our food.

For over three decades, Stephanie Seneff, PhD, has researched biology and technology, over the years publishing over 170 scholarly peer-reviewed articles. In recent years she has concentrated on the relationship between nutrition and health, tackling such topics as Alzheimer’s, autism, and cardiovascular diseases, as well as the impact of nutritional deficiencies and environmental toxins on human health.

At a conference last Thursday, in a special panel discussion about GMOs, she took the audience by surprise when she declared, “At today’s rate, by 2025, one in two children will be autistic.” She noted that the side effects of autism closely mimic those of glyphosate toxicity, and presented data showing a remarkably consistent correlation between the use of Roundup on crops (and the creation of Roundup-ready GMO crop seeds) with rising rates of autism. Children with autism have biomarkers indicative of excessive glyphosate, including zinc and iron deficiency, low serum sulfate, seizures, and mitochondrial disorder.

A fellow panelist reported that after Dr. Seneff’s presentation, “All of the 70 or so people in attendance were squirming, likely because they now had serious misgivings about serving their kids, or themselves, anything with corn or soy, which are nearly all genetically modified and thus tainted with Roundup and its glyphosate.”

Dr. Seneff noted the ubiquity of glyphosate’s use. Because it is used on corn and soy, all soft drinks and candies sweetened with corn syrup and all chips and cereals that contain soy fillers have small amounts of glyphosate in them, as do our beef and poultry since cattle and chicken are fed GMO corn or soy. Wheat is often sprayed with Roundup just prior to being harvested, which means that all non-organic bread and wheat products would also be sources of glyphosate toxicity. The amount of glyphosate in each product may not be large, but the cumulative effect (especially with as much processed food as Americans eat) could be devastating. A recent study shows that pregnant women living near farms where pesticides are applied have a 60% increased risk of children having an autism spectrum disorder.

[MP]

I do not believe any wheat has been approved for growth that is GMO?

Our food is safer, better and more safely prepared than ever before in the history of the world.  Far newer people get sick, and even fewer die, from  food.  Essentially 100% of the illness from food, is from improper handling by the consumer. Which organic can do nothing about.

I love growing things in our garden.  Use lots of cattle manure, essentially organically grown.  It tastes very good.  But, it is VERY fresh, and picked when ripe.  Most commercially grown veggies have to be picked early, or they would be damaged too much in transit.

MP

[dreamaker]

As you can probability figure I am anti GMO as possible, I try to eat as much organic as possible. Funny thing though when I talk to people about food, they say they won't spend the extra pennies for organic food, but yet are willing to give tens of thousands of dollars the doctors and hospitals. I guess they don't think their health is a good investment.

Dreamer Do you like a challenge? Take a picture of 4 items at your house right now that are USDA approved organic. Be sure to use some of the canned foods you have RIGHT NOW.

Your timing is off, I am pretty much empty due to the holidays,waiting for Mon. to shop, but if it would help. Do I have some GMO products in my system, sure.  I eat very little to none out of a can, never eat, fast food(all though I cheated in some White Castles), precooked or processed foods, soft drinks, minimal with juices, gluten free, if its white I don't eat it, except for coconut products, My gluten free grains come from a site that specializes in organic. In fact I can buy these nuts, grains, seeds or what ever, cheaper than at the grocery stores. I don't know what to say, Its not a competition for me, I just want to try and be healthy, I ride a bicycle 20 30 miles a day without coughing up a lung, I am 67 and I still move around like when I was 30, haven't seen a doctor in about 20 yrs, I don't get sick, BP, blood sugar, HR all normal, I am sure there I have some minor issues, but not life threatening. Al-thought I am a little obese, based on BMI 30, little heavy. Other than that I have to keep trying, till the Big Guy in the Sky pulls the plug on me.

[dreamaker]

I do not believe any wheat has been approved for growth that is GMO?

Our food is safer, better and more safely prepared than ever before in the history of the world.  Far newer people get sick, and even fewer die, from  food.  Essentially 100% of the illness from food, is from improper handling by the consumer. Which organic can do nothing about.

I love growing things in our garden.  Use lots of cattle manure, essentially organically grown.  It tastes very good.  But, it is VERY fresh, and picked when ripe.  Most commercially grown veggies have to be picked early, or they would be damaged too much in transit.

MP

Seen a program with this Doctor I think he was a ND.  He said the there are more nutrient in frozen foods because the get processed faster, where fresh slowly depletes as it is being shipped to it final destination.

[Serk]

And how come you leave your wife out of the vaccinations ?  

Well, she gets 'em too, but she gets to make that decision, I can't order her to do it... (Well, I could try to order her to do something, you'd prolly hear the howls of laughter from your place too...)

[G-Man]

Watch this video and see what you think!!!  Basically the way I see it, they are saying they could take dog crap and make you think you are eating gourmet patay.

French restaurants have been doing that to ugly Americans for ever.

[The emperor has no clothes]

And how come you leave your wife out of the vaccinations ?  

Well, she gets 'em too, but she gets to make that decision, I can't order her to do it... (Well, I could try to order her to do something, you'd prolly hear the howls of laughter from your place too...)

[Patrick]

What I get from this GMO thing, the fact that pesticides and herbicides are so extensively used and even introduced into the seed is the problem.
Changing seeds around to try and improve them does not bother me and has helped mankind over the years as long as the chemicals are kept out.
I can remember years ago when these chemical companies insisted these sprays were not harmful to us and there are many people that still believe that even though some articles disputing that came out 30 years ago. Its these chemicals that scare me. Heck, I have friends that use Roundup on their gardens !
I still think there seems to be some confusion as to what 'organic' means. Organic as I understand it is the method of growing any particular seed/plant.

[Jopson]

You do understand GMO means Genetically Modified Organisms, some people call it Frankenfoods.  It is the opposite of organic grown foods. It is biological or test tube food.

As a farmer, that is not quite accurate.  GMO foods are grown in the field, and look just like regular grains.  They are NOT "test tube food."

It is also not "the opposite of organic".  Organic means grown without commercial fertilizer or pesticides.  GMO can be grown conventionally, or organically.  Although I do not think GMO can be labeled Organic.

The most grown GMO's are corn varieties.  They insert a gene that can battle corn borer, that causes stalks to fall over in a wind.  They can insert a gene that allows roundup to be used, without killing the plant. This actually REDUCES the amount of pesticides used overall.

I think Organic is fine. However, I do NOT believe there is anything wrong with our food grown conventionally.   If you prefer Organic, or think it is better, go for it.  That is what the market does.  However, for most people,  the added expense of Organic means that they will have less money left to buy other food.

MP

Fully agree with you there MP.
I'm also a farmer, and have nothing against organic or GMO, but as the worlds population grows daily, the farmers of the world are being asked to feed more people with less and less land to do so ( growth of urban areas etc). So this means something has got to be drastically improved for us to be able to do this. In 1950 the average US farmer fed about 30 people, today that number is pushing 200. Therefore farmers have to be as efficient as possible with the inputs that they use in their operations.  If all farmers were to go down the organic road, it would likely transport the industry back to the 1950s.
Some farmers choose to go down the organic road to try and tap into the niche market that organic products have, but more often that not, the average consumer isn't interested in organic food, they want cheap food. So then it goes back to the farmer to produce the best food, and the most food he can as efficiently as possible. Scientists have created GMO seeds to maximize the potential of the plant, by removing the plants weakness and poor growing traits to make the most efficient seed possible to produce the most food to help feed the growing population.
But is artificial meat a step too far? Absolutely. Could it become necessary to feed the world population? Possibly.
Ride safe
HV

[dreamaker]

Don't quote me on this, but awhile back I read that the healthiest people in the US live in Scottsdale,AZ.  People that are fit and trim. OK!!  I don't know where you live, but when I look around the people I see are fat and obese, including myself. So in my opinion the last thing we need is more food. Really, go out and look around, and see how many fit people you see verses overweight and up. When I was in school, there were a few overweight kids, Now I am seeing more overweight than fit kids.  My uncle was a farmer here in Mich. and other uncles in other states and they shared a common benefit, the gov. use to pay them, not to grow produce, just something I remember. I funny the loving care we give to our Valks, the nicest things, the best gas, premium oils, and the thing most important to us, our bodies, we shove any piece of trash as long as it taste good, in our bodies. I know GMO is hard to avoid, like I said, they told us smoking was safe and so was saccharin, aspartame and so on. Of course research labs don't make mistakes, even CDC, Oops!! I thought that Ebola was dead! Like I said this is America, you can still eat what you want.

[Patrick]

Yep, just look at how our lives have changed over the decades.  We may have eaten well decades ago, but, we certainly didn't eat as much as today. Everything seems to be supersized today.
We were also more active when we were young compared to a lot of kids today. Our mothers didn't want us hanging around in the house, they liked seeing us getting dirty. Heck, I hear friends hollering at their kids for getting dirty today. I thought that what kids were supposed to do.
Now it seems that the thing to do is to sit around eating fast foods and playing computer games.

[dreamaker]

Real good point!!
All my life I was a string bean and was always busy, summertime as soon as my eyes opened, did my chores and then I was gone. Dinner at 5pm and gone again, till street lights came on. Early 20's got married, gained weight from eating crap and not as active, after three years, joined the spy and told the wife to take a hike and lost a ton of weight.

[Patrick]

We're pasta eaters [ Italian you know] and I've been trying to get imported pasta from Italy. Supposedly that is made from non GMO wheat. From what I understand all wheat grown here has been GMO'd over the decades.
It is expensive, I guess Italy is a long way away. 

[dreamaker]

I seen a shorty video on wheat, The real wheat is about 48" tall,the GMO is about12"-14". I don,t eat any wheat or products, because it has gluten in it, also in the program they said wheat is not for human consumption. Humans have been eating it for 10,000 yrs, and being rocket scientist they are, they came up with the idea of taking the chafe off so the varmints wouldn't eat it. Problem is the chafe has all the nutrients, the varmints are smarter then the people. An other thing they said was humans were not suppose to eat grass, our bodies are not made to process grass. Animal are, they have multiple stomachs, which can process grass. I guess the game plan is, the live stock eats the grass, obtains the nutrients and we eat the livestock, and we gain the nutrients that way. Grass is: wheat, rice,rye and I think barley. You may have to check, I know wheat for sure.
I found brown rice pasta the be a safer bet, its gluten free and I notice many are GMO free. Far as taste, I can't tell the difference and it cook faster. I got that from a TV program called Eat this now, on ION Life Channel at 2:00pm. He is a Gumba, hope I spelled that right. If I want to go no calories, I on spaghetti I use Shirataki yam noodles. Weird looking but I think they taste OK with spaghetti sauce for a quicky.

[Patrick]

spaghetti I use Shirataki yam noodles.
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No calories or carbs ?

I've thought about trying the rice pasta, but, haven't.

[RP#62]

Yep, just look at how our lives have changed over the decades.  We may have eaten well decades ago, but, we certainly didn't eat as much as today. Everything seems to be supersized today.
We were also more active when we were young compared to a lot of kids today. Our mothers didn't want us hanging around in the house, they liked seeing us getting dirty. Heck, I hear friends hollering at their kids for getting dirty today. I thought that what kids were supposed to do.
Now it seems that the thing to do is to sit around eating fast foods and playing computer games.

Yes, but in the future, kids thumb and neck muscles are going to be huge.

-RP

[dreamaker]

spaghetti I use Shirataki yam noodles.
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No calories or carbs ?

I've thought about trying the rice pasta, but, haven't.

No cal. or carb. your talking about the Shirataki, I don't recall, but here is a pic. I checked the brown rice pasta is around 200 cal a 2oz. serving. The program I got it from is called, Eat this Now, by Rocco DiSpirito 2:00p EST is I assume a chef. Look on you cable channels on ION Life TV and he is on their every day. I watch for cooking programs all the time, there is no doubt if their food taste good if they are on TV, the question is. Is it healthy??? My rule of thumb is, if the one cooking is heavy or obese, chance are it is not healthy. Now you can go in the other direction and if the one cooking is ripped, chances the food taste like animal feed.  Rocco is trim and at the end he gives nutritional values and cost to make. Now one thing you got to understand with pasta.  A serving is only 2oz., not 10oz., spaghetti pasta about 3/4" dia. bunch. In food I find three things important, taste and texture and healthy.

[Patrick]

spaghetti I use Shirataki yam noodles.
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No calories or carbs ?

I've thought about trying the rice pasta, but, haven't.

No cal. or carb. your talking about the Shirataki, I don't recall, but here is a pic. I checked the brown rice pasta is around 200 cal a 2oz. serving. The program I got it from is called, Eat this Now, by Rocco DiSpirito 2:00p EST is I assume a chef. Look on you cable channels on ION Life TV and he is on their every day. I watch for cooking programs all the time, there is no doubt if their food taste good if they are on TV, the question is. Is it healthy??? My rule of thumb is, if the one cooking is heavy or obese, chance are it is not healthy. Now you can go in the other direction and if the one cooking is ripped, chances the food taste like animal feed.  Rocco is trim and at the end he gives nutritional values and cost to make. Now one thing you got to understand with pasta.  A serving is only 2oz., not 10oz., spaghetti pasta about 3/4" dia. bunch. In food I find three things important, taste and texture and healthy.

LOL. I feel the same way about food shows and chefs. Who wants to eat something from a skinny chef !

My doctor keeps telling me the same thing. But, we're Italian so a serving of macaroni is a half pound. We've tried the so-called healthy [whole wheat ?] pasta, guess what, it tastes like chit.

I guess I'm like many folks, I've been 'swelling ' over the years. I should be 300#, but, even at 230# it's too high and I'm about ready to get serious about it.  My knees and hips are getting more argumentative each year. JoAnn is a hell of a cook though.

[dreamaker]

Skinny isn't healthy either, trim is healthy, and more like it. When you get on the bandwagon the first thing the Doc. will tell is to lose weight and take the pressure off your joints. Eating proper is not dieting, and its not starving either, I have a personal theory, that people are not get over weight, because of the food they eat, as much as the chemicals, pesticides, herbicides and screwing with the structure of the plants and animals we eat. Our bodies deal with that crap the best way it can, the result are not always in a positive way.  But you are on control about what you put in your mouth, if you enjoy a 1/2lb pasta that is your business and your pleasure. We only live once!!!!

[WilliamRS]

One thing I know for sure is that heirloom tomatoes taste a whole lot different than hybrid versions. Each heirloom variety has a different taste. But, that said, I think every heirloom is a GMO of some other variety. To my thinking a hybrid version of any heirloom/old anything is a GMO. Therefore as mentioned earlier, GMOs have been around for centuries and have benefited the world tremendously.

All dogs come from the Grey Wolf, so, where would we be in the dog world without GMOs. As also mentioned, where does the mule [or donkey] come from. I forget which one is the GMO, probably both are.

Why people are just starting to become nervous about GMOs is beyond me.

cross breeding two tomatoes or two dogs together is different than taking a frog or human gene and inserting it into a vegetable gene.  one brought you those wonderful heirlooms, the other brought you the tasteless hybrids.

(also genetically neutering vegetables so that a corporation is the only source for future seeds seems to be a little  short sited for consumers of food)

[Patrick]

(also genetically neutering vegetables so that a corporation is the only source for future seeds seems to be a little  short sited for consumers of food)
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Isn't that basically what a hybrid is.  Seeds from hybrids don't do well and almost everything today is at least a hybrid and becoming GMOs. GMOing is just a progression. I'm not entirely sure if its a good progression. As with most things there can be bad along with  the good.

This screwing around with genes started even before Darwin and his buddies.

[dreamaker]

Interesting twist on seedless produce, neutering vegetables!! That's good!

Also here is a site for free catalog for heirloom seeds, if you are interested. They just sent me email.

http://www.rareseeds.com/request-catalogus/?idevd=5E9D0E263B2911E2B3838A296288709B&idevm=af4855ce37524c4494421625efc696ab&idevmid=527287

[MP]

We're pasta eaters [ Italian you know] and I've been trying to get imported pasta from Italy. Supposedly that is made from non GMO wheat. From what I understand all wheat grown here has been GMO'd over the decades.
It is expensive, I guess Italy is a long way away. 

There is sooooooo much misinformation being written here about GMO, Organic, pesticides, etc., that I have no idea where to begin!

Take the statement above: "all wheat grown here has been GMO'd over the decades"

NO wheat grown commercially in the US is, or has been, GMO wheat!  Yet, the myth continues!

Source, the USDA.    http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/crops/wheat/background.aspx

And, on and on with what a lot has been said.  I know, SOMEONE on a TV show said it.  I know, you read it on the Internet, so it MUST be true!

I think I will leave it as above.  To go on and on, day after day, trying to refute the misinformation, is fruitless.

Remember, we spent the last 50 years, cutting back fat in our diets, because it was "bad".  Now, research shows, we NEED that fat, and that it is easier to lose weigh if you eat more fat than recommended.

MP

[98valk]

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[Black Pearl's Captain]

Dremaker do you eat banana's? What do yo know about them?

Are they "natural" to you?

It's kinda obvious from your statements you don't know what GMO is at all.

[Patrick]

We're pasta eaters [ Italian you know] and I've been trying to get imported pasta from Italy. Supposedly that is made from non GMO wheat. From what I understand all wheat grown here has been GMO'd over the decades.
It is expensive, I guess Italy is a long way away.  

There is sooooooo much misinformation being written here about GMO, Organic, pesticides, etc., that I have no idea where to begin!

Take the statement above: "all wheat grown here has been GMO'd over the decades"

NO wheat grown commercially in the US is, or has been, GMO wheat!  Yet, the myth continues!

Source, the USDA.    http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/crops/wheat/background.aspx

And, on and on with what a lot has been said.  I know, SOMEONE on a TV show said it.  I know, you read it on the Internet, so it MUST be true!

I think I will leave it as above.  To go on and on, day after day, trying to refute the misinformation, is fruitless.

Remember, we spent the last 50 years, cutting back fat in our diets, because it was "bad".  Now, research shows, we NEED that fat, and that it is easier to lose weigh if you eat more fat than recommended.

MP

Genetic improvement has been slower for wheat because of the grain’s genetic complexity and lower potential monetary returns to commercial seed companies, which discourage investment in research. In the corn sector, where hybrids are used, farmers generally buy seed from dealers every year. However, many wheat farmers, particularly in the Plains States, use saved seed instead of buying from dealers every year. In addition, U.S. food processors are wary of consumer reaction to products containing genetically modified (GM) wheat, so no GM wheat is commercially grown in the United States.
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Hmmm, interesting. This is contrary to what I've heard and have read over the years.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_wheat



I still think there is a fine line between hybrids and GMOs. Maybe I'm wrong, don't think so, but,,,,
Maybe GMOs aren't being used or are popular, but, hybrids sure are.
Whether GMOs are good or bad, I don't know. I just prefer caution.
Its always seemed to me that taking a trait of one something and adding it to another something is genetically changing that thing. So to go beyond this hybridization and into GMOing just seems like something we humans have to do. Its in our genes to screw with things.

I still prefer to grow heirloom things organically [ just home garden stuff ].  If I were to grow a GMO'd something, I'd still probably do it organically.