Maddog5050 is a bad dog!

[Valkjerk]

Heads up y'all. I and a few other members are finding this guy to be a bit of a rip-off. Jes' sayin'.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I've always been leery of members that are on here ONLY to sell stuff. Thanks for the heads up

[PAVALKER]

Heads up y'all. I and a few other members are finding this guy to be a bit of a rip-off. Jes' sayin'.

I really hate to see someone badmouthing  someone else in such a generalized statement, without supporting information, details or specifics.  And also to say other members, without those members supporting statements, are having rip off issues as well kinda grates me.    If you are going to piss on someone's corn flakes, at least state why, give some details and specifics.....and if attempting to include others in the bad experience to justify or back up your statement, at least give their names and their specifics.  Otherwise I don't find these statements very credible.

You pissed off because of the price, the shipping costs, that he sold it before you could buy it or what?

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Heads up y'all. I and a few other members are finding this guy to be a bit of a rip-off. Jes' sayin'.

I really hate to see someone badmouthing  someone else in such a generalized statement, without supporting information, details or specifics.  And also to say other members, without those members supporting statements, are having rip off issues as well kinda grates me.    If you are going to piss on someone's corn flakes, at least state why, give some details and specifics.....and if attempting to include others in the bad experience to justify or back up your statement, at least give their names and their specifics.  Otherwise I don't find these statements very credible.



I personally had the worst experience One can ever have, false description of items, sent it back to him and emailed him and instant message him for a week  and nothing but ignored me while I see him active here on line daily...I was  polite in every step until I exhausted all my communication then I threatened him with calling PayPal and finally he refund me back with a note in my paypal that read the following;

Note from merchant
Your arrogance is ONLY exceeded by your lack of self responsibility. What I sent to you was as advertised. Your dislike of what you received is not my issue. I didn't guarantee your judgement nor satisfaction guaranteed.
Original transaction detail
What more proof do you want PAVALKER

[PAVALKER]

Heads up y'all. I and a few other members are finding this guy to be a bit of a rip-off. Jes' sayin'.

I really hate to see someone badmouthing  someone else in such a generalized statement, without supporting information, details or specifics.  And also to say other members, without those members supporting statements, are having rip off issues as well kinda grates me.    If you are going to piss on someone's corn flakes, at least state why, give some details and specifics.....and if attempting to include others in the bad experience to justify or back up your statement, at least  give their names and their specifics.  Otherwise I don't find these statements very credible.

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Heads up y'all. I and a few other members are finding this guy to be a bit of a rip-off. Jes' sayin'.

I really hate to see someone badmouthing  someone else in such a generalized statement, without supporting information, details or specifics.  And also to say other members, without those members supporting statements, are having rip off issues as well kinda grates me.    If you are going to piss on someone's corn flakes, at least state why, give some details and specifics.....and if attempting to include others in the bad experience to justify or back up your statement, at least give their names and their specifics.  Otherwise I don't find these statements very credible.



I never wanna badmouth or bash anyone but this happened to me about a month now with this mad dog , I let it go thinking may be its one bad experience until I saw the post here, yes he is a scam...i personally had the worst experience One can ever have, false description of items, sent it back to him and emailed him and instant message him for a week  and nothing but ignored me while I see him active here on line daily...I was  polite in every step until I exhausted all my communication then I threatened him with calling PayPal and finally he refund me back with a note in my paypal that read the following;

Note from merchant
Your arrogance is ONLY exceeded by your lack of self responsibility. What I sent to you was as advertised. Your dislike of what you received is not my issue. I didn't guarantee your judgement nor satisfaction guaranteed.
Original transaction detail
What more proof do you want PAVALKER

Larue,

Those are not complete specifics.  Sorry, That appears to be a disagreement without the complete details of both sides.  You included his note from merchant, but I didn't see any of yours?  Perception of politeness can be different from one person to another.  Not saying he isn't what you might claim him to be, just that my level of proof is a bit higher than someone else's statement of opinion. 

I have not purchased anything from him, but I did inquire about the parade flag and hitch like item.  He emailed me the item details, in a timely manner, with good pictures and specifics on price and shipping.  I didn't want to spend that much on the item and especially shipping, so I declined.  We didn't exchange harsh words.  I did not have any arguments and we didn't dis each other., in email or in a public forum.  I obtained  the information and pictures prior to making a decision on purchase, and made my decision on those facts.  If I did have an issue with a purchase and wanted to report a seller or warn others in a public forum, I would provide all the  details and correspondence for others to view and decide for themselves. 

[PAVALKER]

I saw both of your posts in the classifieds and personally don't think they belong there.  If you want to air dirty laundry, do it here where there can be  rebuttal, two way discussions, questions asked and answered...and who knows, maybe even some documentation and proof other than opinions.

But that is my opinion.  What that also tells others reading those posts is ..... Sellers Beware, these two characters just might have issues when making purchases, and whine when they have buyers remorse.  Again, just my opinion.

[Flrider]

I find it Ok for a heads up to be posted on the Classifieds AND the General boards just because not everyone might read the General Board before making a purchase.
If someone still wants to buy from the seller after reading the "beware" then it is their personal choice, I for one do appreciate the warning.

There is always a risk buying from the classifieds, I have never had a bad experience here, either buying or selling and only one bad experience in the VTXOA in the years of buying and selling.

PAVALKER, I get where you are coming from and understand what you are trying to say but in this case, there is more than one person that is having issue with the seller and that should raise the red flag.
I also know Larue personally and he would be the last person to misrepresent the facts.

[PAVALKER]

Having those posts in the classifieds opens the doors to all sorts of issues, heads up or not.  It doesn't provide the opportunity to rebut or defend and is just opinion or whining in my opinion.  Just as one claims misrepresentation of an item they purchased, it could be more like misrepresentation of an individual, maybe libel or slander even.   If there are issues, post them up with the facts themselves, rather than opinion and interpretation.

Where one person may assume an item was not as advertised or misrepresented, others could easily perceive that the purchaser was not an informed or wise individual to...get the facts of the item being purchased (details, item price and shipping costs) and even pictures to confirm what they think they are purchasing is what they get.  Communication is a two way street, the receiver has an equal responsibility to confirm what he believes the sender is saying.   Seen the commercial regarding "fraud protection...or frog protection" ??

Sure, when making purchases or respsondong in the classifieds one should always be cautious.  Show me the item, the correspondence where the questions were asked and answered and pictures requested and sent, and the following conversations so we can see the facts for ourselves.

I have seen other cases here where an individual whines, and when all the facts are presented....it usually didn't put the purchaser in a good light,

I find it Ok for a heads up to be posted on the Classifieds AND the General boards just because not everyone might read the General Board before making a purchase.
If someone still wants to buy from the seller after reading the "beware" then it is their personal choice, I for one do appreciate the warning.

There is always a risk buying from the classifieds, I have never had a bad experience here, either buying or selling and only one bad experience in the VTXOA in the years of buying and selling.

PAVALKER, I get where you are coming from and understand what you are trying to say but in this case, there is more than one person that is having issue with the seller and that should raise the red flag.
I also know Larue personally and he would be the last person to misrepresent the facts.

[Valkjerk]

Oh well, you can't even give fair warning to brother VRCC members without being verbally eviscerated. Pavalker, After reading your response to my post, I believe if I would have thoroughly
explained every detail of my experience as larue has so eloquently done, you would have still picked it to pieces. You got a thorn in your knickers, old man? Did I catch you on a bad day? You don't know my character or the honor and honesty that I conduct my day, every day. Your experience with MD5050 was a partial business transaction, not a complete one. This was my experience until the deal went sour and I pretty much followed the same protocol as larue. Had you completed your transaction and it went wrong, would you have given us (members) a heads up? I notice that you were very quick to impugn my character in defense of MD's. What's that about?

[john]

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+1, Valkjerk and Larue I appreciate the heads up

[KG]

I think the diplomatic Way would be to report the post and let the moderators take care of the issue

[Xtracho]

Diplomacy is crapola. larue explained his issue in enough detail for me. And if the communication issues he cites are correct with the seller's final communication after the sale and refund (read: only communication after sale/refund) being as smarmy and disrepectful as it was....I'd have no hesitation whatsoever posting my opinions on anyone doing business with a particular seller.

Whining? I hardly think so given larue's account of the deal.

[Valkjerk]

Hey y'all.....me again. I have owned and operated my business for almost 40 years and the very few times that I had customer issues my first response was "What can I do to make this better or even a non-issue"? I then do my very best to alleviate the issue. Maddog doesn't even respond because he doesn't care. To a few of y'all "Thank you for your support".

[PAVALKER]

Oh well, you can't even give fair warning to brother VRCC members without being verbally eviscerated. Pavalker, After reading your response to my post, I believe if I would have thoroughly
explained every detail of my experience as larue has so eloquently done, you would have still picked it to pieces. You got a thorn in your knickers, old man? Did I catch you on a bad day? You don't know my character or the honor and honesty that I conduct my day, every day. Your experience with MD5050 was a partial business transaction, not a complete one. This was my experience until the deal went sour and I pretty much followed the same protocol as larue. Had you completed your transaction and it went wrong, would you have given us (members) a heads up? I notice that you were very quick to impugn my character in defense of MD's. What's that about?

Impunge  your character??  No, hardly.  I am just trying to get the facts, and we still don't have them all.  If you would provide the complete chronological listing of correspondence I could make a better decision for myself, instead of go on heresy.  I have copies of my correspondence with hi in PM and Email that I could provide if I had an issue.  As I said, I have seen others point the finger  at someone else and it ended up being pointed back or at least a shared responsibility.

If none of you are willing to provide the specifics, details and chronology....it sounds more just like a disgruntled whining customer,  nothing of substance or justification.   And that is purely opinion,,because no documentation was presented.

Did you tell us what the item was, show us the pictures you asked for and received, provide us with the written correspondence showing the specifics of both sides of the communication, or a record of what was said verbally?  Nope, I saw opinions, heresay and the like.  I'm not defending Maddog or you, because you didn't prove anything to me of his or your conduct in the transaction.  And, you didn't justify  or back up your complaint. 

[PAVALKER]

Diplomacy is crapola. larue explained his issue in enough detail for me. And if the communication issues he cites are correct with the seller's final communication after the sale and refund (read: only communication after sale/refund) being as smarmy and disrepectful as it was....I'd have no hesitation whatsoever posting my opinions on anyone doing business with a particular seller.

Whining? I hardly think so given larue's account of the deal.

That was one sided informstion....did you see what he said to the other guy?

[T-Bird]

 Valkjerk and Larue I appreciate the heads up also.   

[big poppa pump]

Thanks to Valkjerk and Larue for the heads up. I had come very close a couple of times from buying some items from this guy, makes me glad now that I didn't.

[Pappy!]

I also thought Valkjerk and Larue (who I know personally) explained themselves very well.
Reading Larue's exact verbage to him and his quote back to Larue after the refund was all I need to know.

[KY,Dave (AKA Misunderstood)]

Also a thanks for the heads up. Given not having both sides, I'll side with a current active member before someone just using our classifieds every time.  

[larue]

Diplomacy is crapola. larue explained his issue in enough detail for me. And if the communication issues he cites are correct with the seller's final communication after the sale and refund (read: only communication after sale/refund) being as smarmy and disrepectful as it was....I'd have no hesitation whatsoever posting my opinions on anyone doing business with a particular seller.

Whining? I hardly think so given larue's account of the deal.

That was one sided informstion....did you see what he said to the other guy?
We don't really need to prove anything to you sir but if you want the thread of emails that was sent to him for weeks and not one response when he's active here everyday, you can request it from him and then you will owe me an apology my friend. I Wasn't even gonna mention any of this here but since I saw another member got the same treatment, I felt it's my responsibility to state my own experience.,, that's all.
Thank you guys for all the support

[dpcarson]

[BamaDrifter64]

I have a problem with anyone who isn't an active member but who uses our Classifieds to sell items.  Talk about buyer beware....

[Valkjerk]

Does that little emoticon mean you're watching the show and being thoroughly entertained? LOL

[Serk]

[Valkpilot]

I bought an Interstate trunk with mounting brackets and fender rails from Maddog5050.  It was  a fair price, and as depicted.  He was a little particular about payment method, but did work with me on meeting up to take possession, sending his son to make the delivery since he couldn't.

[dpcarson]

Does that little emoticon mean you're watching the show and being thoroughly entertained? LOL

Yep.  That it does.  I just like to read and learn and stay out of the way.

[PAVALKER]

Heads up y'all. I and a few other members are finding this guy to be a bit of a rip-off. Jes' sayin'.

Valkjerk,

As you alluded to earlier, I agree that I don't know you, your character, honor or  even your integrity....anymore than I know Maddog's.  There are folks that don't care to get involved in posting, argueing or get wrapped in the drama...and just care to read the tech board and/or do some buying/selling in the classifieds.  I don't hold that against them, even tho it appears some might.   No one else here knows everything that transpired during your transaction and it appears you don't care to share the details, fine.   You even indicated that other members are finding this guy to be a bit of a rip-off.  And, aside from the fact that you didn't provide details or documentation, you didnt even cite the names of these other members also having these issues.    I'm assuming Larue jumped in after seeing your post.  Dare I ask who the "other members" we're at least to see if one of them can provide some factual documentation or details??  

May I ask if you...
- requested and received pictures of the item/items you intended to purchase?  We don't even know what that/they was/were.
- negotiated a price, for the item and the shipping, even shipping insurance?
-  asked the seller about his return policy?


And...you are a bit older than me..... Old Man. ;-)

[PAVALKER]

I have a problem with anyone who isn't an active member but who uses our Classifieds to sell items.  Talk about buyer beware....

Yea, might be something to be cautious about, but not enough to condem a person for.   As I said, some just like to read the tech board and get smarter, use the classifieds and steer clear of all the drama, politics, and hate.  

And he has been an active member since 2011 so I read....


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[Jess Tolbirt]

to PAVALKER:
If we are standing around the camp fires hooting the bull, and you said you were going to buy a widget from so and so, and I said man you might want to be careful with those guys cause i got ripped off once by them,, are you going to want me to rum home and gather all the evidence of my transaction and bring it to the campground just so you can make a decision? When all I want to do is say you better be careful?

[PAVALKER]

to PAVALKER:
If we are standing around the camp fires hooting the bull, and you said you were going to buy a widget from so and so, and I said man you might want to be careful with those guys cause i got ripped off once by them,, are you going to want me to rum home and gather all the evidence of my transaction and bring it to the campground just so you can make a decision? When all I want to do is say you better be careful?

Nope, but I sure as hell would ask you for more of the information and specifics.  You claiming you got ripped off might be a mild case of buyers remorse, or not buying what you thought you were, then demanding the seller refund your money, and shipping costs and eat the costs of your error.  Not saying that is the case here.  Hell, even Michael Browns witnesses got it wrong, his family and friends stood up and said he was an innocent victim......until the robbery video and other evidence was presented.  Then some stories changed.

Now, shoe on the other foot... What if around the same camp fire you said you had a buyer for your widget and said Jerk was going to buy it.  Then I said...Whoa, be careful there.... I read that he complains about making purchases and calls sellers out and badmouths them in public without providing specifics or details.    Of course, in this case, I could easily direct you to the post.

[Jess Tolbirt]

to PAVALKER:
If we are standing around the camp fires hooting the bull, and you said you were going to buy a widget from so and so, and I said man you might want to be careful with those guys cause i got ripped off once by them,, are you going to want me to rum home and gather all the evidence of my transaction and bring it to the campground just so you can make a decision? When all I want to do is say you better be careful?

Nope, but I sure as hell would ask you for more of the information and specifics.  You claiming you got ripped off might be a mild case of buyers remorse, or not buying what you thought you were, then demanding the seller refund your money, and shipping costs and eat the costs of your error.  Not saying that is the case here.  Hell, even Michael Browns witnesses got it wrong, his family and friends stood up and said he was an innocent victim......until the robbery video and other evidence was presented.  Then some stories changed.

Now, shoe on the other foot... What if around the same camp fire you said you had a buyer for your widget and said Jerk was going to buy it.  Then I said...Whoa, be careful there.... I read that he complains about making purchases and calls sellers out and badmouths them in public without providing specifics or details.    Of course, in this case, I could easily direct you to the post.

Thats a good point but, anytime i sell something, no matter what it is, i put the money away for 14 days and the buyer has 14 days to either say he likes it or wants his money back,,if he wants his money back i give it to him no questions asked if i receive my product back in the same condition it was sold,,i sold 4 valkyries that way and so far i havent had any problems,,

[Mr Whiskey]

Note from merchant
Your arrogance is ONLY exceeded by your lack of self responsibility. What I sent to you was as advertised. Your dislike of what you received is not my issue. I didn't guarantee your judgement nor satisfaction guaranteed.

Send this to me, eventually or immediately doesn't matter when, & I'm sure gonna burn ya here, that's a fact!
Thanks for the "heads" fellas

[PAVALKER]

Note from merchant
Your arrogance is ONLY exceeded by your lack of self responsibility. What I sent to you was as advertised. Your dislike of what you received is not my issue. I didn't guarantee your judgement nor satisfaction guaranteed.

Send this to me, eventually or immediately doesn't matter when, & I'm sure gonna burn ya here, that's a fact!
Thanks for the "heads" fellas

I agree that doesn't appear to be kind words, however, it only makes me wonder what was said or occurred prior to that which warranted this response.  And why, I can only suspect, the OP has not provided the transaction specifics, just what he might want to be seen in his picture of it. Not like the PMs disappear, or emails get erased by someone else, or ...well, you get the point.  I'm pretty sure the OPs PC isn't parked next to the email server Hillary uses.

[Mr Whiskey]

only makes me wonder what was said or occurred prior to that which warranted this response. 

Simple, nothing warrants such a response, ever!
If that had been said to my face there would have been an immediate problem.
How 'bout you?

[PAVALKER]

only makes me wonder what was said or occurred prior to that which warranted this response. 

Simple, nothing warrants such a response, ever!
If that had been said to my face there would have been an immediate problem.
How 'bout you?

I can see and have seen where comments such as this can be or were warranted.  But unfortunately we are only provided with half the story and that comment, which does make me wonder what precipitated that.  Someone doesn't just say that out of the blue, do you really think?  People take too much at face value, or of what they are told......I require a little more.

Did you hear about the kid that was attacked at the Pittsburgh Zoo by African dogs or the like?  People were outraged and wanted the animals killed and the exhibit closed.  Then facts came out about how the parent held their child up, above and away from the safety fence on the hand rail so he could get a better look...and the child fell.  IMO, the parent was the faulty one at that point, not the wild animals or the Zoo.  But the blame was directed at the Zoo or the animals......by the parent. No assuming responsibility for the outcome there either I guess.

[Jack B]

I see he has reposted his parts.
Would be nice to know the story.

[Valkjerk]

Wow!!! I didn't realize my little heads-up would turn into such drama. I purchased a couple items from Maddog one of which was a wolo horn and after attempting to install it I found it to be inoperable. I emailed MD to inform him and asked if I was perhaps errant in my attempt to install it which I new was bullcrap because I had Trout Dude doing the work and as a few of you know, he is more than capable of dissembling an entire Valkyrie and reassembling it to perfection. The horn does not work!!! No reply from MD. I never asked MD for a refund. I merely wanted to establish a conversation to see what an amicable remedy might be. After numerous emails and no responses, my logical conclusion was that he did not want to be bothered with this. Pavalker, it looks to me that he won. My warning post was removed from the classifieds and he has a fresh post on there  right now so I guess the administrators of this forum also have their opinion about this. He still has not contacted me to remedy or refund so again, I lose. As far as I'm concerned, as long as I have informed the membership, I've done my job. This is my last post on this matter 'cause I'm tired of providing fodder for the entertainment of the "popcorn in the gallery" crowd.LOL LOL   

[PAVALKER]

Wow!!! I didn't realize my little heads-up would turn into such drama. I purchased a couple items from Maddog one of which was a wolo horn and after attempting to install it I found it to be inoperable. I emailed MD to inform him and asked if I was perhaps errant in my attempt to install it which I new was bullcrap because I had Trout Dude doing the work and as a few of you know, he is more than capable of dissembling an entire Valkyrie and reassembling it to perfection. The horn does not work!!! No reply from MD. I never asked MD for a refund. I merely wanted to establish a conversation to see what an amicable remedy might be. After numerous emails and no responses, my logical conclusion was that he did not want to be bothered with this. Pavalker, it looks to me that he won. My warning post was removed from the classifieds and he has a fresh post on there  right now so I guess the administrators of this forum also have their opinion about this. He still has not contacted me to remedy or refund so again, I lose. As far as I'm concerned, as long as I have informed the membership, I've done my job. This is my last post on this matter 'cause I'm tired of providing fodder for the entertainment of the "popcorn in the gallery" crowd.LOL LOL   

Wow..... You attempted to throw someone under the bus for  a used  Wolo Horn that goes NEW for 10-30 dollars??  Really?  Really?? You do realize some horns are polarized.  Was the relay included?  Did you hook it up per instructions?  Personally, I can see where you had buyers remorse.  For the price I would have probably just opted to stop by Harbor Freight for a new one and used a 20 percent off coupon.  Just looking for an amicable resolution??  Ok.   And you didn't even back up your lame claim with the names of the others you claim had issues.  In my opinion, since you didn't  provide specifics or the names of those others, you didn't throw Maddog under the bus.....you threw yourself under it.  My previous comment about Sellers Beware is becoming more evident here.  Maddog5050 didn't win, it appears you discredited him to some degree with others I'm sure.  But  in my opinion you may have discredited yourself as a buyer as well, and maybe even more so.

Yes, your comments were removed from the classifieds by the Admin folks, they didn't fit the rules of the classifieds board nor did it permit two way feedback like the general board here.  That is not what the classifieds are for, and I reported both those posts for those reasons.. And I can see why MadDog5050 didn't even respond here ....for the price of the item it wasn't worth his time. 

What you provided wasn't fodder...it was FOD tho.

[Black Dog]

Wow..... You attempted to throw someone under the bus for  a used  Wolo Horn that goes NEW for 10-30 dollars??  Really?  Really??

PAVALKER...  At what price do you consider a bad deal, a bad deal?  Does it need to be a $100 item, $200? 

You seem to have a burr up yer saddle with Valkjerk.  He posted a warning about a transaction with a member (that only seems to be here to sell)...  The posted reply from MD50/50 was snarky, to say the least, and rude on the face of it.

To question if the installer  (Trout Dude) knew enough to install with correct polarity is laughable...  The horn didn't work, and shouldn't have been sold as if it did.

Maybe the reason MD50/50 has not replied is that what Valkjerk wrote is true...

Black Dog